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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:48 PM
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Because she's so far behind, Clinton needed 10%+.
There's a reason she needed a large win, and it is that she needs to make up a lot of ground to take the nomination.

With this 6-8% win, she did not show that she can do that. She will not make up the difference at this rate or any rate that she has previously shown.

In the meantime, old man McCain sits back and watches the Dems increase each others negatives and waste money.

Yes, Clinton, the race is over, and it's time to face that.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:49 PM
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1. She needed 30%, in every state.
Now she'll need closer to 40%.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:58 PM
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10. yes
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:08 PM
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24. Only if you are talking about facts as they are in the real world, which isn't a metric Clinton or
the MSM recognize.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:49 PM
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2. She NEEDED 65% or greater, less than 10 is the final nail.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:50 PM
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3. Yes, the 10% was generous. nt
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:51 PM
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4. But it's also unlikely
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 08:51 PM by bigwillq
that Obama will reach the magic number. I totally get your point but that's the system we have in place now, a nominee will not be declared until they hit that number. If I were running, and in Clinton's place, I probably wouldn't throw it in yet either. And yes, one can say that's not for the good of the party or it may hurt us in Nov., but as a former athlete, and competitor, you fight until you can't fight anymore.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:52 PM
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5. But she's not going to win. All this "I'm not dead yet" stuff just
hurts everyone else.

She needs to do the right thing and bow out with some dignity.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:57 PM
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8. Is Obama going to get 2, 025?
:shrug:
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:03 PM
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20. Yes, Pretty easily
The last big state is his to lose. We are probably looking at him coming into the Convention 130-140 ahead with roughly 100 SDs left to declare.

2025 isn't that big of a percentage.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:20 PM
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28. Yeah, it's just not going to happen. nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:59 PM
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14. Somebody's going to reach the magic number.
The "magic number" is just half of all pledged and superdelegates, rounded up.

Once the states are done, the superdelegates will announce, and Obama will have 2025 way ahead of the convention.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:09 PM
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25. Then we will have a winner!
:)
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swishyfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:09 PM
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26. Wrong analogy. In the end she's on the same friggin team!
Blowing it for everyone isn't not a noble effort.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:27 PM
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29. so, as a former athlete,
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 09:30 PM by beezlebum
when you have a broken ankle and two black eyes, and you know you can't make the field goal, and you know that new star could make it, do you still insist that YOU be the kicker, even though it will likely result in a loss for your team?
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:42 PM
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31. actually, athelets should show some pride and integrity
as should she.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:53 PM
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6. I think she needs +13 or higher.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:59 PM
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11. She needed +30 or higher
She needed to win by 65-35 to even begin to catch up to our guy.

I think we'll start to see the trickle of super D's turn into a stream tomorrow.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:57 PM
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7. She needs a win by 60% or more on this and remaining states. This was her first failure..
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 08:58 PM by Bensthename
And she will not even win the next 2 states.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:57 PM
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9. She needs to quit. nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:59 PM
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12. this was her first failure of her 'clinging on to dear life'
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:59 PM
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13. She needed SIX ZILLION PERCENT, didn't you know that?
Didn't the collective send you the memo?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:01 PM
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16. She needs an average of 30% for each primary remaining, including tonight. Unless, that is,
you can think of some alternative path to the nomination that does not involve obtaining more delegates than Barack Obama.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:03 PM
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19. The pledged delegate game has been over for weeks.
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 09:03 PM by tritsofme
Now candidates need to plead their case to SDs to get over 2024.

Other variables like the popular vote will be looked at, as well as pledged delegates.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:05 PM
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23. Over? Then why are they still holding primaries?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:10 PM
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27. Pledged delegates aren't the only metric that can be measured from primaries.
They tell us lots of things.

If SDs were satisfied in entirety by Obama leading in pledged delegates, then they should have brought down the gauntlet weeks ago.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:39 PM
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30. You mean, the voters don't have to be listened to. nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:00 PM
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15. No. She needed 30%.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:02 PM
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17. She'll pick up under ten delegates, if that.
Obama will make that up in new superdelegates in the next week.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:02 PM
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18. Well, Obama takes the biggest city.
Rest of the state isn't that interested.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:04 PM
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21. Exactly, but interestingly it is not being reported this way.
What about that double digit lead she needed?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:05 PM
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22. Jeeze o Pete ...give it up. Even if Hillarat got 100% of PA she would still be behind.
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 09:07 PM by L0oniX
She would need to get 80% in every primary from now on just to break even. That ain't gonna happen.
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