MSNBC report: Voting machine problems in Pennsylvania

[backscatter712]

As Gomer Pyle would say, Surprise, surprise, surpise!!!

I don't have a link as of yet, but MSNBC just reported on TV that certain, predominately black precincts in Philadelphia, are encountering malfunctions. Only one or two touch screen machines are working in some precincts, and there are long lines.

Now why is it that the machines in upper class white districts work fine, but the ones in working class districts or black districts are mysteriously flaky?

Hmmmmm.

OK, who saw this coming?

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[4themind]

1. What about in other areas of the state?

Did they report on whether this problem extend further to other sections as well?

[4themind]

2. Oh and STILL VOTE if you're in the area!

If they're going to take your vote, make them WORK for it damit

[papau]

3. I knew the Obama supporters would try to cheat

[Hawkeye-X]

7. Uh exactly how would that help Clinton?

Don't bother to answer - I know you won't.

[ellacott]

11. logic

seems to have gone out the window.

[samdogmom]

13. I hope you're being sarcastic...otherwise...WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

Excuse me, did you check where the malfunctions are happening?

[rox63]

18. Obama is favored to win large urban areas

How would this benefit Obama if the machines in urban areas with large black populations had too few voting machines? :crazy:

[shadowknows69]

41. Are you even allowed to drive a car with that brain?

I hope not.

[MadBadger]

4. Well Upper class whites favor Obama too....so I dont see a conspiracy argument.

[Qutzupalotl]

19. I do. Inner cities are an easier target to suppress.

They are strongly pro-Obama. Other areas tend to be more mixed. They would get more bang for their Rovian buck targeting inner cities.

It could be just a coincidence, of course, but it's exactly Blackwell's strategy from 2004.

[IDemo]

5. Is Kenneth Blackwell anywhere in the area?

[islandmkl]

6. maybe they will contact a judge or two before 6:30 p.m....

this shit is so predictable...

welcome to the 'New Democracy'...elections are for suckers

...i am a sucker...

[bluestateguy]

8. Obama needs to ready the lawsuit to keep the polls open late

nt

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

9. Just go to paper, simple, we vote by mail here in Oregon.

[OnlyObama]

10. amazing!! nt

[NJmaverick]

12. This was a given

Hillary voters will have zero wait time, while Obama's voters will have to wait up to an hour to get a chance to vote. It was like this in the last GE where Kerry's voters had to wait for hours to cast their votes, while Bush's zoomed in and zoomed out.

[Window]

14. The only people who didn't see this coming have not been paying attention.

[monmouth]

15. I hope those voters wait around and not go home until corrections, paper

or other machines are brought in...

[Justitia]

16. Fast Eddie Rendell: Large & In Charge. Gettin' that party machinery cranking. -eom

[NorthCarolina]

39. I bet he closes the polls on schedule in spite of

voting problems with limited functioning machines. It's odd that this type of thing always seems to occur predominantly in black areas, isn't it?

[Zachstar]

17. We got 2 years after the GE to develop and deploy a real voting machine.

So I think we have all the evidence needed to outlaw these machines once and for all as soon as possible.


We need a voting machine that uses paper and is designed so that the person can actually see their vote being punched and stored. And a machine manufactured by the government not by easily influenced corps.

[CoffeeCat]

20. More monkey business...

MSNBC initially reported that a PA election official was on the line to report
that voting machines in Philadelphia were "breaking down" and that in a few precincts
there were only "one or two working machines." This was reported to have happened in
areas that were predominantly African American.

Then, the MSNBC talking head reports that they lost the phone connection.

Then, the phone connection comes back up--but it's not same guy that was initially
on the phone (before the connection was lost), and HE'S DENYING THAT THERE WERE ANY
PROBLEMS!!!

He denied that machines were "breaking down" and was angry and a real jerk.

So, not only are problems happening, it appears that some are trying to cover it up.

Geez. All we want is free and fair elections.

Citizens in PA need to report on what is happening and speak the truth--take video or
pictures if you have to. If this is happening, it must be not only reported--but documented,
because it appears that people will deny reality--to further suppress the vote and affect
the outcome.

This is SICK!

[doublethink]

28. Heard that conversation too ........

The guy was a REAL JERK .... I agree ..... didn't notice it was someone different before the connection was lost. Wish I could hear that little episode again.

[malik flavors]

21. I bet the machines in Scranton are working just fine. Mayor Nutter's pulling his strings.

[helderheid]

22. *raises hand*

[crankychatter]

23. Greg Palast saw it coming and I think he's there now

The US Attorney's fired last year were let go for their failure to assist with Election fraud 04, and to aid with Election Fraud 08.

The Rove recommended US Attorney appointee from Arkansas, resigned after Greg Palast turned over the voter caging lists to Congressman Conyers.

Conyers stated that a voter caging operation of this magnitude could NOT HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF CARL ROVE.

yeah, we're just a bunch of kooks...

Yeah, Greg has some passing journal entries on his website from a recent excursion into PA.

it's going to be nasty... they always need a close election, demographic polling with exaggerated features... political events.... all to shape public perception

So, is RFK Jr. a dangerous "conspiracy theorist?"

I think it's those that criticize our fears, that have had the Kool-Aid.

[Zodiak]

24. Those that make peaceful revolution impossible

Make violent revolution inevitable.

If this keeps happening, I do not expect inner-city voters to take this lying down forever.

[TexasObserver]

25. Isn't it great to see Hillary's machine in PA use the Jim Crow tactics once used in the South?!

It's a real measure of what Hillary's supporters among the machine in PA are really like.

Can you believe they're using the same old, mean, evil tactics that the GOP and the Dixiecrats used to keep black voting down? The classic is the use of one good machine in large black boxes, while the other machines there are mysteriously out of service. They send old, dysfunctional machines to the black boxes, and have plenty of good ones at the boxes where their candidate runs strong.

Shame on you, Hillary! Shame on you, Bill! Shame on you Pennsylvania Democratic ward heelers who would stoop to this!

[napi21]

26. I could have this wrong, but I've also questioned why most of the

voting machone problems always seem to occur in the less affluent areas, and I'm not only referring to PA. but in all the States that use them. I've read as many explainations as I could find on whaat problems existed and why they happened. In many cases, the problems were traced back to "training the poll workers". Some didn't power the machines up properly; some failed to load the new ballot information; some precincts stored the machines improperly and they got too hot or too cold or too humid during the long storeage time. All of those excuses could easily be cured with proper training. Is it possible we are seeing the same training (or teaching) problems in these less affluent precincts that we see in the schools in those same areas? Less qualified teachers, equipment not properly maintained, etc.?

[Mags]

27. Just heard on MSNBC that that was totally false, had problems

early on, but things are fine now.

[writes3000]

32. They had problems but you're claiming it's false? Huh? n/t

[Mags]

33. had problems very early , but not now.

[writes3000]

34. So it's not false. The update is that they are fixed. n/t

[zulchzulu]

29. Want to know how to hack eVoting machines? Here you go...

Watch Philadelphia mayor and ardent Hillary Clinton supporter say he knows jackshit about the voting machines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHfnLXAOjDA

I'm guessing that the poorer neighborhoods are using the ES&S iVotronic....very unreliable and very easy to hack...

"...serious security vulnerabilities involving the magnetically switched bidirectional infrared (IrDA) port on the front of the machines and the memory devices that are used to communicate with the machine through the port. With nothing more than a magnet and an infrared-enabled Palm Pilot or cell phone they could easily read and alter a memory device that is used to perform important functions on the ES&S iVotronic touch-screen machine -- such as loading the ballot definition file and programming the machine to allow a voter to cast a ballot. They could also use a Palm Pilot to emulate the memory device and hack a voting machine through the infrared port.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/12/report-magnet-a.html

[backscatter712]

31. I'll bet that when ES&S won the contract in Philadelphia...

they gave the devices to Rendell & co. to fuck with the vote count.

[redqueen]

30. Saw it coming since 2004... when it happened in OH...

and TX... when it happened in predmoninantly minority areas here.

[jazzjunkysue]

35. It's Obama's people, again. Obviously.

That was a joke. I'm so sick of the Obama bashing, when we know full well that Hillary is the one who controls the political machine.

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. Who runs Philadelphia's elections?

[Lucinda]

37. So they aren't working in some working class districts either?

Wouldn't those areas favor Hillary?

[Az_lefty]

38. Wow, didn't see this coming...and only in black precincts?

:grr:

[autorank]

40. .

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0804/S00288.htm

& as always

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