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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:55 PM
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Just reported on MSNBC that Obama has gone negative
in PA. Showed an ad he's running. Interesting, isn't it?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:56 PM
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1. Just reported? Geez - where have they been? CNN's been reporting on it all weekend.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:57 PM
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3. Been busy I guess. lol nt
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:57 PM
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2. negative in what way?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:00 PM
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14. He had the temerity to point out that she was lying. nt
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:01 PM
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19. oh i see, they call it going negative when the truth is pointed out.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:03 PM
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30. We call it negative for the same reasons you call it negative if Hillary were to do it. nt
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:05 PM
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32. find me a post where i ever said that.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:17 PM
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41. I don't mean you personally, I mean Obama supporters in general. nt
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:26 PM
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45. Let me clarify what "negative" means.
Negative means "He's not a Muslim to my knowledge." Negative means "Gee, why can't anyone talk endlessly about his teenage drug use?" Negative means saying "He's cheering on McCain" a month after you yourself endorsed McCain over your Democratic rival and the presumptive nominee.

Hitting your opponent on lying about your record? Talking about their support for a disasterous war? Condemning their dirty politics? That's called substance.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:57 PM
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4. So?
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:58 PM
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9. Hope and change Obama has resorted to old fashioned ugly politics. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:00 PM
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17. lol Sore about that aren't you?
HRC & co thought Obama's "new politics" meant he would stick to positive campaigning. Problem is, "new politics" is a totally different game, not just a different way to play old politics.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:01 PM
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20. No, not sore, just showing the clay feet of St. Obama. nt
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:58 PM
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5. He went negative four or five months ago.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:58 PM
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6. Negative does not equal smear.
A negative ad means only highlighting your opponents weakness, rather than focusing on your strengths alone. It does not mean smear or slander.

He should go negative. This needs to end.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:00 PM
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16. When Obama does it you praise negative campaigning? nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:03 PM
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28. I am not praising it.
I am pointing out the distinction. It would be great to make it without any, but I recognize the need. And, I have no problem with negative ads. Smear, whisper campaigns, and fear-mongering I have a problem with.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:04 PM
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31. Yea, whatever. nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:05 PM
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33. yada yada yada.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:03 PM
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27. Exactly. He has to counter the 527's and RW Talking Points/Smears.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:05 PM
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34. He's not countering any 527's. He's being a politician. Sainthood rescinded. nt
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:26 PM
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46. Wrong again. he was countering a 527 Ad that was put out in PA against him.
:eyes:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:58 PM
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7. Its about time
I would have started two weeks ago since Hillary has so many negatives to cover.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:01 PM
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21. Just choosing what weak spots to hit HRC wouldn't leave enough time to eat or breathe...
...considering how many negatives she has.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:58 PM
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8. He said in a rally that he throws some elbows now and then.. why is this news to you?
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:08 PM
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36. Because he was supposed to be different? nt
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:58 PM
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10. Bad choice
Voters won't respond unless he's attacking Bush.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:59 PM
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11. Ohmigod, he's been photoshopped?!
I hope they can get him back!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:59 PM
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12. He's been negative for me for a long time. n/t
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:59 PM
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13. What did he do? Defend himself against one of Her Royal Highness's attacks?
That's usually considered negative by the Hilbots.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:00 PM
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15. when you're getting pelted with rocks, occasionally you will pick one up and throw it back
dontchathink??
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:02 PM
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23. Not St. Obama, he's different, remember? nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:03 PM
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29. Yeah, he actually hits her on the issues instead of calling her a terrorist.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:01 PM
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18. So they define what negative is and is not?
All I'm saying is stick to the list of negative because of your opponents actions or negative because you made up bullshit?

There is a huge difference.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:01 PM
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22. Obama's been negative from the start
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:03 PM
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25. Hope, change, unity, healing.....sooooo negative.
Short of flying unicorns and fairy dust, I hardly see how a campaign could be more positive.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:12 PM
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40. They can't decide if he's a hopey sunny empty suit or a bitter negative politician.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:19 PM
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42. That's too easy -- Both
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:25 PM
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43. So he's too sunny *and* too negative. Hillaryworld doesn't require consistency, it seems.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:02 PM
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24. He's been negative for quite some time now.
Like Bush, he was using others to do his dirty work.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:03 PM
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26. If Obama went negative, HRC would be off in Mexico somewhere
licking her wounds. You better pray that Obama never goes "negative" on HRC.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:09 PM
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38. He's negative in PA and Hillary's not in Mexico. nt
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:06 PM
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35. and if he didnt
you'd say he was too weak.

Just admit you cant stand Obama and so therefore he can do no right.

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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:11 PM
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39. Actually, my problem is that his supporters think
he can do no wrong. Even his negative ads are fine with them.
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DiceK Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:08 PM
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37. Good for him!
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:27 PM
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44. While Hill has been negative all along
Maybe Obama has some catching up to do?
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