CNN shows Hillary PA Speech...She's going for the Activist Base she's Thrown Under Bus...

[KoKo]

CNN is showing long clips from the Candidates final PA PUSH! I watched Obama in "Field of Green" give an impressive speech about Hope and Change and the Future.

But, CNN then switched to Hillary...and she's proposing: Bonds to Rebuild our Infrastructure that she says "has been neglected since Eisenhower's push" to build the Interstate Highway System. She said these Bonds could employ 3 MILLION AMERICANS.

(I could go for that because I can't make any interest in a Savings account or buying CD's if I want safer investments that Wall Street in these turbulent times)

Then Hillary says we are 23rd of Nations in the "Internet Super Highway"...and we should be doing better on this. (What she says is true...our Internet is slow compared to the rest of the developed world and it's all controlled by those who want to make profits on CHARGING US for EVERY LITTLE SLOW BIT AND BYTE and connectivity.)

Hillary says we are losing our edge in Competitive Research and she's for Stem Cell Research and anything that will keep the Scientists and Medical Researchers who are LEAVING THE US ...to stay here and make us the LEADER in "cutting edge technology...." where we "once had the edge" but have LOST IT! She would hugely Increase funding for Scientific Research through the "NIH" and stop BUSH'S ATTACK ON SCIENCE. If she's real about this it would be a good thing...

My SO...who watched it with me says...."Obama talks about "the Game of Politics " and "Vision" and Hillary "talked about Specifics about Policy." :shrug:

(Apologize for this post not being tidy....I was posting after watching it...so it was "impressions)

[anonymous171]

1. Two different worlds...

[DJ13]

2. One thing about Hillary

She will say what she thinks her audience wants to hear.

Doesnt mean she plans on following through with anything promised, just that she wants the votes.

[KoKo]

5. that's the worry....I agree. But, isn't she putting a lot on the table that Obama and McCain should

be held accountable to address? She's talking about stuff that Democrats do advocate....particularly the Grassroots. But, after that revelation that she TRASHED the Dem GRASSROOTS at a fundraiser...everything she says is just...piffle.

[Andy823]

11. Talk is cheap

As DJ13 already said, she will say or do anything to get elected, then what? He honesty has been proven to not be very reliable, and most politicians do the same, then hope the votes forget about all the promises come the "next" election!

Sorry, but I just don't trust her one bit, and she has given me good reason not to!

[KoKo]

17. I don't trust her...but in her pandering she keeps hitting on "Solutions"

and we know she will never implement them. I'd like Obama to address the same issues, too.

[papau]

13. Obama gave this campaign the "just campaign talk" line re Obama's NAFTA promise, his

social program promises (telling Kudlow at CNBC "NOT TO WORRY ABOUT COST/DEFICIT BECAUSE NO ONE IN THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN EXPECTS ANY TO PASS"


And of course out of Iraq in 16 months was not real either (per Ms Powers)

[Zhade]

44. OBAMA NEVER DID THAT AND THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT CONFIRMED THAT FACT.

Stop lying. You emulate clinton far too well.

[WillyToad]

26. She is talking about issues and it is about time one of them did...

Obama supporters seem to have some disdain for issues, which is odd to me, given this is what we elect politicians to do.

Perhaps Obama will begin talking about them too instead of peddling non deliverables, then perhaps he will give his supporters something to talk about besides Hillary.

[TML]

Cripes

You nailed it on the head. Hillary sounded like some of the middle managers I've worked for. They'll tell you everything you want to hear as long as it's not the truth.

[ScarletSniper]

37. Exactly!

[Maribelle]

3. Obama does not like to talk about issues.

Nor do his followers.


That's why I had a good chuckle when he complained about the last debate.

[anonymous171]

7. Because Flag pins are an incredibly important issue.

[KoKo]

8. When I saw the CNN clip of him in the "fields of grass" ...all I could think of was Sting's

"In the Fields of Gold" ...I was looking for the "long haired woman" to appear. I love that song...but didn't get quite what Obama was going for in that "photo op" except that he was in the "HEARTLAND...of GRASS." :eyes:

[stillcool]

9. Seen any of his town-halls lately?

You know the one's where he answers the questions that voters have? No. I didn't think so. Oh yeah...It was "we the people" who complained about the debate.

[PA Democrat]

10. Yeah, right. Would you care to continue the discussion YOU started on economics?

Please, why don't you tell everyone about the greatness of supply side economics and the wisdom of Larry Kudlow, a Reagan economic adviser?

:rofl:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5579229

[Maribelle]

22. I see you're still missing the point.

And the DU rule: Do not follow someone into another thread to try to continue a disagreement you had elsewhere

[PA Democrat]

29. I am not "following" you, merely refuting your claim that Obama followers

don't want to talk about issues.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

12. You liked that "debate" did you? Thought it was a shining moment?

Liked all the "issues" that were addressed and found it amusing?

That was nothing but an attempted character assassination. Quite possibly the lowest point I have ever witnessed in modern "journalistic" integrity. It is deeply disturbing that you are OK with it.

[KoKo]

15. No...I'm talking about CNN's coverage of the candidates just now..

:eyes:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

50. I wasn't responding to you... look upthread

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[bunnies]

4. She can kiss my latte sipping, birkenstock wearing, moveon member ass.

Too late Hillary. Im done with you.

[CakeGrrl]

6. I think Obama can spare a few dollars to bring HRC's MoveOn remarks to light. n/t

[anonymous171]

14. No. That would be a bad idea.

[CakeGrrl]

18. Oh, I'm sure he won't, but

she certainly deserves it. But with any luck, PA will be close enough that this will be a non-issue after NC and IN.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. And if HRC had based her campaign around issues, instead of early on, "inevitability"- and later on,

gutter slime and "kitchen sink" negativity, we would be having a VERY different conversation around these parts, I'd wager.

[KoKo]

19. What's the most sad about Hillary and Bill is that they assumed they'd NEVER have to talk

about ANY ISSUES...They thought they were the ANNOINTED ONES....

It's amazing they are scrambling now to find "Grassroots Dem Issues" to talk about (and, I'll give it to Hillary that she does it very well)...when they should have been FIGHTING FOR THESE ISSUES throughout their Administration and through ALL OF BUSH II'S!

Much Hypocracy..but what she's "spouting" is really stuff we Dems should be focusing on.... And, Obama needs to talk about her proposals...:shrug:

[Warren DeMontague]

23. She got some very bad advice early on, I think.

Something like: "Act like you're already the nominee, that the primary process is perfunctory".

[KoKo]

27. "Old School"....Hire some Paid Big Bucks Operative...who's a Repug...and Dems will win...

For some clueless or calculated reason...they didn't learn that these Repug Ops will always work against you. Remember that Al Gore fired Mark Penn...but Al Gore was a much a prisoner of the "Candidate Op's System of Patronage" as all the rest. And, it's probably why he gave up politics to focus on his own issues.

Obama's people and managers "GOT IT" but there's a "lack of policy focus" and more focus "on candidate" with Obama that leaves some of us wondering about him.

What a MESS..... I guess our Party has to go through this...but..dammit it's really hard to deal with and keep some sense of sanity...or equilibrium...through it all. :-(

[kentuck]

63. I think the 'inevitability" talk at start of her campaign...

hurt her very much. Most people do not like to be told anything is inevitable. I think they believed it. Otherwise, they would not have thought it was going to be over on Super Tuesday. Thanks for your very good posts, KoKo01. :-)

[DearAbby]

20. True it would have been a lot different

I had wished Clinton had taken the high road as well, address "We the people" instead of attacking her opponent. Staying on the issues and what her plans were to address them...I would have seriously considered her.

[KoKo]

30. Good point...."stay on issues" and don't do attack...and make up stuff

that can come back to bite you. I'm surprised that a former DU'er "Peter Daou" is her "Internet Adviser" because Pete has seemed to "screw up" big time. He also advised John Kerry. Pete knew all about "Grass Roots" and our issues. No one who is a suvivor of participation in DU ...wouldn't know WHAT THE REAL ISSUES ARE...but Hillary and Kerry...just never seemed to "connect" with the very "new people" in the Grassroots Internet. That OBAMA's folks DID...shows their savvy...but it doesn't prove they can do better in the Repug/Shadow Government/Globalist System that has evolved since Bill and Hillary's "innocent seeming first and second run, Gore in '00 and the rest of it."

Obama might "transition us"...but maybe he's all "INTERNET" and NO SUBSTANCE?"....That's my honest worry...so don't flame me. Our PARTY HAS MANY OPEN WOUNDS...

[Zhade]

46. Well, all her proven lies didn't help either.

NT!

[roseBudd]

21. A potential POTUS making promises without the caveat, "3 coequal branches" is meaningless, POTUS is

not dictator. So the polarizing, perceived as dishonest nominee can get elected, not hurt down ticket races AND do exactly what she just promised to voters AND do so in a fiscally responsible manner given the Treasury's current circumstances with the support and conssent from a majority of both the House and the Senate?

[KoKo]

39. Which Democrats would COME OUT FIRST...to Repudiate Bush's "Pre-Emtive Doctrrne?"

Which Democrat would say the FIRST JOB OF NEW DEM PRESIDENT...is to ROLL BACK Bush's AUTHORITY? His filling all his Cabinet with fellow BUSH BOTS? and his EXECUTIVE PRE-EMPTION?

Which Candidate would STATE...that BUSH DEFILED THE CONSTITUTION...and THIS NEW DEM PRESIDENT...will "DE-AUTHORIZE" EVERY BUSH "Signing Statement"...."Doctrine" and would RID THE CABINETS OF THE "REGENT CLONES?"

I've not heard ANY CANDIDATE...speak about GIVING BACK...Bush/Cheney's Powers! Have You? :shrug:

[AllentownJake]

24. She forgets

Democratic activist are also political junkies. The media doesn't have to play her comments over and over again. We heard them just fine when we got our daily fix.

[woolldog]

48. exactly, that's the group she's least likely to be able to bamboozle. n/t

[Armstead]

25. And her Main Man in Pennsylvania Ed rendell wants to PRIVATIZE the Penn Turnpike

Big committment to the public infrastructure there

Maybe your SO ought to look below Hillary's Chicken in Every Pot Wish List to see who is behind her, and what she most likely wil and won;t do if elected.

[KoKo]

32. He doesn't like either of them...he was looking at what they said...

in the final Campaign Push that CNN Broadcast of their speeches.

He's a good Dem...and as torn as I am........

Just so you know...

[Adelante]

28. Well, that's the speech he's giving today - a leadership speech

Other days he gives policy speeches or does town halls on policy. He varies the content, but he is on a whistle stop tour, so he's giving the old fashioned barn burner to motivate voters to vote for him on Tuesday.

[blogslut]

31. Internet Super Highway?

Man, this woman is out of touch.

[KoKo]

34. How is that wrong? Do you not know that Europe and Japan/China have higher, faster Internet

than we in America do? It's because we "segment" our internet subscibers to paid and not FREE WIREDLESS...and it's all about our Corporate Entities fighting for Government Subsidies while they rape their customers with high fees....

We are WAY BEHIND THE CURVE of Connectivity and Access. :-( We are told it's "Free Market Capitalism" that we have to always be switched and paying this one and that one to get ACCESS! And now they bombard us with AD's we have to find ever greater ways to stop them from clogging our older computers. It's all about getting us to buy newer and newer COMPUTERS/SOFTWARE and INTERNET ACCESS ...along with VIRUS WARE and the REST!

Many of us could have lived with Win'95 and a connection.... Businesses needed more..but not so much more that Microsoft Pushes on us that we need to find ways to GET AROUND IT!

Whatever...I could do a diatrible about Internet...but it would take so much time providing links and info and no one would read anything except a few and it would go off to archives. Why waste the time.

[blogslut]

35. Yes, I am aware

I just wonder is Senator Clinton is aware or if she's just reading off the cue cards supplied by her advisors.

[KoKo]

36. "Cue Card" or not....Is Obama addressing this? Is John McCain (who probably can't use a Computer)

Shouldn't ALL OUR CANDIDATES be addressing this...not just the "pandering Hillary?" :shrug:

It's a big issue that NONE of the "so-called debates" have ADDRESSED!!!!

[blogslut]

56. Yes

And he has been all along:

1. Redefine “broadband:” The Federal Communications Commission today defines “broadband” as an astonishingly low 200 kbps. This distorts federal policy and hamstrings efforts to broaden broadband access. Obama will define “broadband” for purposes of national policy at speeds demanded by 21st century business and communications.

2. Universal Service Reform: Obama will establish a multi-year plan with a date certain to change the Universal Service Fund program from one that supports voice communications to one that supports affordable broadband, with a specific focus on reaching previously un-served communities.

3. Unleashing the Wireless Spectrum: Obama will confront the entrenched Washington interests that have kept our public airwaves from being maximized for the public’s interest. Obama will demand a review of existing uses of our wireless spectrum. He will create incentives for smarter, more efficient and more imaginative use of government spectrum and new standards for commercial spectrum to bring affordable broadband to rural communities that previously lacked it. He will ensure that we have enough spectrum for police, ambulances and other public safety purposes.

4. Bringing Broadband to our Schools, Libraries, Households and Hospitals: Obama will recommit America to ensuring that our schools, libraries, households and hospitals have access to next generation broadband networks. He will also make sure that there are adequate training and other supplementary resources to allow every school, library and hospital to take full advantage of the broadband connectivity.

5. Encourage Public/Private Partnerships: Obama will encourage innovation at the local level through federal support of public/private partnerships that deliver real broadband to communities that currently lack it.

link: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/#modern-communications

[KoKo]

58. Thanks for the post on Obama's positions on this..........

:thumbs up:

[blogslut]

62. You're welcome

:)

[boppers]

57. Two Words:

"Dark Fiber"

Infrastructure is not the problem, if she knew anything about the topic, she wouldn't be re-hashing her husband's policies.

[backscatter712]

33. Sorry, I don't consider weathervaning to be a desirable feature of politicians.

[KoKo]

38. What is "weathervaning?" Are you talking about Obama supporter? I don't fault Ayers

for being "friend of Obama." I don't understnd where you were going with this. :shrug:

[backscatter712]

52. I was accusing Hillary of being the weathervane.

One day, she throws the activists under the bus, the next day, she panders to them.

Hypocrite Hillary. :eyes:

[KoKo]

59. I can't disagree with what you say....Thanks for clarifying...n/t

[livetohike]

40. I listened to Obama's speech in Erie, PA yesterday

He talked about issues quite a bit :shrug:. Perhaps the network is choosing to show those parts of Obama's speech where he isn't getting specific.

[KoKo]

41. That's possible...What issues did he talk about that CNN missed...

for those of us who weren't there. Did he address "Internet Connectivity, Infrastructure Meltdown, Science and Technology" and "Stem Cell Research?" Plus...what about those Americans who are "Savers" who can't find any place like "Savings Accounts or CD's" to make money to beat inflation draining their savings in their old age so they can avoid going on SS Benefits. Hillary's proposal about "Bonds" for America's Reconstruction...with a "higher interest rate" than folks who are "savers" can get from investing in the Wall St. Casino/Trading Franchise...would be very interested in this.

So far...my money is being eaten up by inflation...and without a "pension and too young for SS" I can't find any "safe place to invest" that will give me a "return" that beats inflation numbers for my hard earned money that I still have left after they've taken most of what I have. :shrug:

[livetohike]

49. He was at a college, so he talked about his plan for free tuition

in exchange for performing community service/Peace Corps. He took a lot of questions from the audience for at least 30 minutes. He talked about investing in green technologies to create jobs. He talked about the auto industry and gas mileage standards/alternative fuels.

I didn't hear anything about stem cell research or anything specific on investments.

These are important issues. Too bad ABC chose to waste time during the first hour of the debate the other night. I would have liked to hear the views of both candidates on this.

[KoKo]

53. Amazing...do you know that Democratic War Monger Lyndon Johson was first to implement College Loans

for Students? My SO and Me got through College on Johnson's "Great Society Program" that allowed us to get (at that time...not Bushie time) LOW INTERST LOANS to get through COLLEGE...if our parents couldn't afford it.

Reagan and Bushies started to get Wall St. Involved and to raise the "Loan Interest Rates"...and in GENERAL FUCK UP what Johson (the war mongerer/Vietnam) did. But, of all the EVIL ABOUT VIETNAM on Johnson's Door Step.....My SO and Me and Millions of others could never have gotten an education ...except for his loans..and the intererst rate was CAPPED and even NIXON maintained that CAP on INTEREST RATE.... So....when students TODAY are BURDENED with HIGH INTEREST RATES on their Student Loans they should GOOGLE the HISTORY....

Which PARTY is the one that BURDENED STUDENTS with DEBT...because they borrowed...compared to back when.

I just know that its SO MUCH HARDER for families of Mid and Lower Income to have their kids go to college than it was back then. And, even though both of us came out of College in a dreadful job market...we were still "ahead of the game" because we had our degree...but it was hard paying back those loans in the Nixon/Carter economy because we were dealing with WAR DEBT FROM VIETNAM...

A Generation will suffer under WORSE because of Bush's WARS that weren't even thought about being paid for...because the Cokie Roberts and rest of the Pundits KIDS got it ALL to Harvard/Yale/Stanford/MIT and the rest...and they will be (by favor of fortune) the ones deciding AMERICA'S FUTURE becaus of PRIVILEGE and NOT THOSE paying off loans with HIGHER INTEREST RATES than the Principle of the Loan will ever pay off.

HOW TO SUCKER THE NATIONS POOR MIDDLE CLASS and their CHILDREN...so that the PRIVILEGED WILL ALWAYS SUCCEED. For all JOHNSON'S FAULTS...and there were MANY...he DID manage to send a GENERATION TO COLLEGE to try to "BUCK THE SYSTEM."

Just saying from my "life experience" whether you agree, disagree or think I'm "off the mark."

[livetohike]

55. I went through college on the National Direct Student Loan

Fund :-). I can remember being paranoid at the war protests on campus because there was a rumor going around that the FBI was taking pictures of attendees and if you received the NDSL and were caught protesting, then you would lose your loan. :rofl: I sure was naive, but it didn't stop me from protesting.

My brother and sister-in-law have three kids in college right now - one working on his masters, then a sophomore and a Freshman. The Freshman attends George Washington Univ. the most expensive tuition in America. She is brilliant and received a scholarship for 1/2 the tuition, but is paying for and has taken out loans for the rest. My brother is not wealthy - and his wife works as a hostess at a restaurant....These kids are going to be in debt to their eyeballs and past it :-(.

I agree with everything you said.

[Diamonique]

42. Obama does discuss issues

The MSM just never shows his entire speeches. Catch him on CSPAN or on one of the CNN live feeds. Yes he speaks of vision and change. But he also weaves a lot of policy stuff in there too.

We mustn't let anyone get away with furthering the meme that he doesn't discuss issues and policy. It's simply not true.

[KoKo]

60. "Blogslut' on Post #56 does a credible job at answering Obama's Position...n/t

[Zhade]

43. She might talk a good game, but with her constant proven lying, it's just talk.

There's no reason to trust someone who's been caught in so many lies.

[KoKo]

61. How can Dems use her "good game" though. She has brought up some issues that got folks voting for

her. :shrug:

[SoCalDem]

45. It's too bad that the 8 prosperous years we had with her husband

were not spent re-doing that infrastructure..

[Zhade]

47. Yeah, he was too busy making sure Iraqi kids suffered for their dictator's crimes...

...and putting nonviolent drug "offenders" in prison.

[juno jones]

51. Oh, and cutting off welfare to working mothers.

[KoKo]

54. I hear 'ya...I understand...I'm just waiting for Obama to address these issues

even if the messenger (Hillary) is a "fuck up and liar" trying to NOW insinuate herself with the Grassroots Dems she's Trashed.

The ISSUES are IMPORTANT...that she's desperate and going through her "closet to find anything that's usable to wear." Now that she's "down and out" means that her campaign "knows" that these are issues that will go on past Obama or anyone else who tries to "change the subject."

That's what I'm trying to talk about...maybe I'm not able to make it clear.......that the ISSUES are what DEMS NEED TO DEAL WITH...but, whatever.. I keep trying.

[kentuck]

64. K & R

Just because...