Imagine the whining if Obama were treated like that for six months

[Tactical Progressive]

Hillary's been under assault non-stop from an extremely Clinton-disdainful media, not to mention some of the nastiest people we've ever seen from within the Democratic party, every day for over a year. Just watch MSNBC for about five minutes.

Obama gets negative treatment from the media one time, one time, and it's shrieking resentment from every corner.

Hillary deals with that every day. Worse, because afterwards they spend pundit hour after hour testing out every possible way they can put the worst inferences and negative characterizations into their 'conventional wisdom' playbook, for the rest of the media to work off of against the Clintons. Like they admitted they did to Al Gore too.

Obama would cave. He already did, really. Last night he could do little more than retreat and demand to be asked questions on his rehearsed talking points. 'The American people want to hear about my memorized positions, not this.'

The Publicans wouldn't treat him half that nice, nor would they let the media do so. Imagine how much worse than it already is it would be when the media goes all post-debate vulture on him like they do on the Clintons and Gore. And the more screaming resentment team Obama reacts with the more Publicans would go after him. It is not possible to overstate how different it would be when the media stops coddling Obama when it's not Hillary he's up against.

Obama is the teleprompter man, without federal or executive experience, who does little more than read increasingly meaningless speeches and recite broad-appeal sound-bite positions with that annoying fake Southern accent he adopted for South Carolina, then kept.

And now, besides his not being experienced in any way that counts, besides being lousy at pretty much anything that doesn't involve reading text or memorizing sound-bites, we find that neither his campaign nor his supporters can take a punch without whining.

[pocoloco]

1. Short memory??

[roguevalley]

83. OP, just what 'strong women' do, whine about their victimhood.

thanks for reinforcing the stereotyping and reminding me ONCE AGAIN why I am voting for the other guy, the non-whiner, the one with the eye on the prize and who won't bitchslap me, part of the activist underground, for not genuflecting to her greatness. Way to help promote women in politics.

[cliffordu]

2. Are you still whining about this?

This was HERS TO LOSE.

And she looks like she is.....

[A-Schwarzenegger]

3. Stop whining.

[Tactical Progressive]

5. There is a symphony of whining going on today after the Penn debate

and it isn't coming from the Clinton camp!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

8. No, really, stop whining.

[emilyg]

4. He would crumble.

[Terran]

6. Not just whining...

Full of outright lies. Jeez, desperation stinks.

[DemGa]

7. They not only whine, they also shriek loudly

Alternately pouting for Obama and heaping derision upon Hillary Clinton. What a shameful mess.

[Hepburn]

41. Stop shreaking, OK?

Your gal Hilly is losing and it is her own fault for being a mega liar. Get over it and stop pointing fingers at others for what the Hillbots do all the time.

[WillyToad]

76. Stop projecting, OK?

[burythehatchet]

9. astute to an unrecognizable dimension

[Straight Shooter]

84. Are you meaning to call the OP "astute" or "obtuse"?

Because if you do, in fact, mean "astute," that's a helluva compliment, there.

http://onelook.com/?w=astute&loc=scworef&scwo=1&ls=a

Quick definitions (astute)

# adjective: marked by practical hardheaded intelligence

[Cant trust em]

10. The American people DON'T want to hear about what they asked.

Who gives a shit about flag pins?!?!? Who gives a shit if Rev. Wright loves America as much as Obama?

[NOLALady]

11. I guess we must learn to

brush it off.

[Beregond2]

12. What a dream world

you Hillary supporters live in. She had the media on her side from Day One. It has only been in the past few weeks that they have started to call her on her tactics, while Obama has been subjected to a never-ending barrage of underhanded attacks. but why am I wasted my breath...or fingers...

[Cant trust em]

13. Speaking of whining. Heeeeeeeere's Hillary...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5566889

[Quixote1818]

24. My God! Make her stop! nt

[RBInMaine]

14. YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP ! He has been under a character for months now, and has held up FINE !

He has graceful, poised, and far more on the high road than Hillary. He has taken it from the right wing fake media, the so-called mainstream media, McCain, and Hillary. And he has done just fine. ABC's so-called "debate" was a biased corporate hit job using cues from FOX's Hannity-the-right-wing nutjob. Obama has been right to voice a measure of disgust with this, just like the 16,000 people who complained to ABC by phone and writing, and by MANY pols and reporters INCLUDING Ed Rendell who is supporting Hillary. Hillary too has voiced complaints about the press, but of late she has had it EASY compared to the horrid attempts at character assassination being waged against Obama.

[DontTreadOnMe]

15. how many hours until Tuesday!!!!

This will all be over by Tuesday night. :)

[PM7nj]

16. There was a great shift after March 4th

I agree with you that the media was mostly horrible to Hillary in the beginning. But not anymore. It isn't that they suddenly decided to like her and hate Obama, they just want this race to go on forever. Hillary did good in Ohio, but it wasn't enough. The media knew this, so in order to keep the fight going they turned their guns on Obama.

If the media was really really biased against Hillary, her "screw 'em" comment would be all over and they would be dancing on her grave just like they did after Iowa.

[rug]

17. If he wins the nomination, he'll have 6 months to find out.

[oasis]

18. America loves winners, hates whiners. Wake up Democrats.(eom)

[nichomachus]

19. Proof please -- be specific

When was Hillary asked whether she was patriotic or not?

When was she asked "Do you love your husband more than Monica loves your husband" - which would be the analog to what Barack was asked.

When was she asked why she wears certain jewelry and if it mean she didn't love America.

When was she ever asked an unfair question?

Hillary supporters keep shrieking this meme, but I'm not aware of the exact instances.

BTW -- asking tough questions on policy issues isn't unfair. Asking about whether someone's jewelry indicates a lack of patriotism is.

[DeeDeeNY]

60. Good points

There was one debate where she was questioned whether she prefers diamonds or pearls, but that's about it on the jewelry subject!

[Carrieyazel]

20. These past two months have been an awakening for Camp Obama

And they're getting overly defensive, accusatory and acting stunned, like: "How dare they question us?". They thought the solid year of getting a free pass was going to go on until the end. If they can't handle this medium heat, how can they go on until November, when it'll be on full blast?

Yes, Hillary has run a nasty, contradictory, anything goes campaign. But what did people expect? She was on the mat, and had to go real low.

[BigBearJohn]

21. He's just too damn young. Reminds me of a nice fraternity brother.

Please answer me ONE question:
What has Obama done in the past that PROVES
he is capable of fulfilling all the promises
he is now making to the American public?

Sure, I can see that Obama's a nice guy. I like him. A lot.
There are a LOT Of people I like, but I don't elect them the
next president of the United States. Our colleges are loaded
with nice, educated guys, but I wouldn't vote for them.
Simply put, Obama is too darned young and inexperienced.
What the hell has he done to earn the most prestigeous job in
the world? What are his bona fides? If your only
argument is "He's better tnan that #!@#$$ named Hillary," then
we have a real problem.

We don't put a young man in charge of the whole hospital
after one successful year as an interne. Americans are so starved for
something new, they'll take the first person that comes
along that looks shiny and new. Who cares about qualifications?

We need an ADULT in the White House.
Obama is simply too GREEN

WE NEED A PRESIDENT --
NOT A PREACHER

[Name removed]

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[Tactical Progressive]

73. Where did that come from?

From the post you responded to, and your title,
I thought you were going to say he was an age bigot.
Where did you get anything racial from his post?

Or are you just taking cues from Obama, the master race-baiter himself?

[lumberjack_jeff]

77. It's clear. The poster said something unflattering about Obama, therefore he's a bigot. n/t

:sarcasm:

[intaglio]

78. Sorry BBJ Clinton is too OLD

too world weary, too cynical

AMERICA NEEDS A PRESIDENT
NOT THE SAME OLD CYNICS
NOT THE BRUTAL
NOT THE CORRUPT

AMERICA NEEDS OBAMA
AND AMERICA WANTS OBAMA

[mrreowwr_kittty]

100. You should do another OP where you ask these questions of Obama supporters

And don't accept the answers. You obviously never tire of it.

[JoFerret]

104. He has NO record of accomplishment

He has been "chosen" as the puppet so the party elders can trash the Clintons.

I don't even know he realizes that ....yet.

For his narcissism there is a good chance we will lose the election.

[Quixote1818]

22. Bill and Hillary already have been whining for months. nt

[kwenu]

23. Stop with the bullshit excuses. She ran a foul campaign and we're sick of her.

[Tactical Progressive]

45. Obama ran the foul campaign from day one

Hillary finally fought back. Real Democrats are as proud of her as we are disgusted by Obama.

Republicans won't wait one second, let alone months, to go after this smear artist.
Especially after seeing what whiners he and his supporters are.

[Tellurian]

50. There are starting now to expose him...it will be mainstream soon.

Chris Matthews will feel another thrill running "up" his leg this time!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

101. "Real Democrats" = uneducated bigots looking for an excuse not to vote for the Black candidate.

To paraphrase your Queen, I say, screw em!!

[jwirr]

25. There is a difference between whining and confronting an issue.

[ProSense]

26. Imagine if the sniper fire story was true?

Lousy candidate, horrible campaign.

[Tactical Progressive]

30. Imagine if anything Obama said were true.

The Publicans will wonder what that would be like.

And the media is only going to ignore Obama's congenital dishonesty in his contest against Hillary.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

102. Says the person who supports the candidate who LIED ABOUT BEING SHOT AT!!

:rofl:

[Butch350]

27. Yeah Your Right...

I sure as hell was tired of listening to Hillary!

[TacticalPeek]

28. Amen.

If he gets the nod, then from September to November the Rs will bombard him nonstop, and the Whine will be so loud and long that everybody will need ear protection.

[Sinistrous]

29. Oh my. "Whining": the clinton cult talking point of the day.

Egads! What a sorry lot.

[BlueIdaho]

31. Isn't the Billary word of the day supposed to be Wimp? - try to keep up. nt.

[Bensthename]

32. Losing states, super delegates, money and lying is not her fault ???

That is not bad media. It is just reporting facts.

[Tactical Progressive]

36. Yuh, just like the Penn debate was good media asking important questions

A small taste of what's to come when Obama doesn't have the media protecting him and attacking his opponent.

[Bensthename]

51. Um. "flag pins".. "Does Rev. Wright love America as much as You"... Important Questions????

You need to think again. Hillary's troubles has caused the media to focus on her..

[Tactical Progressive]

61. Obama's troubles caused the media to focus on him.

Let's try not to turn it around.
This is a thread about Obama's stumbling, cowering, evasive debate performance.

And listen to the howling the very first time the media pressed him.

[Bensthename]

65. You clearly live on another planet with that observation..

Yah, Obama had troubles.. And ABC has been hit more from other journalist offended by their trash debate then any one.. But to say that Obama whined about it.. Please tell me what he said.. And for Hillary and Bill to say they haven't whined, clearly they live in plastic bubble where they think no one is paying any attention..

Your Hillary talking point has no legs.. But if that is what you need to say to feel good then go with it.

[Awsi Dooger]

33. "that annoying fake Southern accent he adopted for South Carolina, then kept"

Very good summation. I wish I'd described it that way, in a few recent posts.

I liked Obama early in the campaign, even when I didn't support him, but his attitude and tone behind the microphone are what have slowly increased my doubts, and pushed me toward Hillary.

There's definitely been a change in his accent, not always but something he adopts when he slumps closer to the mike and tries to make a dismissive point. Then he bounds upward and turns, generally to his right, and gets a pompous look on his face while the audience is still reacting to the dismissive point.

He needs to jettison that crap for the general election. I have a feeling he got cocky when he realized the primary was about to turn in his favor, and given the small states to follow there wasn't any logical path for Hillary.

When he realizes he's in a dog fight against McCain and nothing is decided until one day in November, maybe we'll see a more respectful and mature Obama.

[Auntie Bush]

34. After all the complaining by Obama supporters about the debate

I think the media will be scared to death to ever challenge Obama again.
They've tried it once now and they will never do it again. Count on it!
Unfortunately they are a bunch of greedy wusses and care more about money... and are afraid to alienate their advertisers...who will be threatened. It's scary!

[ericgtr]

35. Please stop the crying already.. talk about whiners!

Hillary has done nothing but bitch about every fucking little thing throughout this campaign and you now have the nerve to say something like this? My god you are desperate.

[Tactical Progressive]

39. Half an hour of questions has Obamanation crying and wailing from coast to coast

Not a year of rabid media assault, like MSNBC's entire political operation.

Half An Hour!!!

And team Obama is howling like stuck pigs.

[Political Heretic]

37. More meta-whining.

[BenDavid]

38. i am afraid that obama is a pink tutu wearing democrat....

[Bonobo]

43. Good thing you're not a homophobe.

:sarcasm:

[Blondiegrrl]

40. And yet, if Obama had lost 11 primaries in a row, he would have been

forced to drop out of the race.

So who's playing favorites again?

[zulchzulu]

42. Obama is the nominee. We look forward to your support...or your exit

:hi:

[JeffR]

44. I can't imagine it's healthy to stand on your head for extended periods of time

That can't be good.

[merh]

46. I guess you forgot about this video the Clinton campaign put out there

The Politics of Pile On http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2gYjYPWJHQ

I think the most annoying trait of many of the hillary supporters is their double standards - can you say hypocrisy?

Hillary Whines about getting the first debate question http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR2omQsvdcA

[Name removed]

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[JAbuchan08]

48. How much of that criticism did Hillary bring upon herself?

honestly. How much? none?

[Tactical Progressive]

53. I'd say Obama is bringing the criticism on himself

with all of his dishonesty and smear tactics, while hypocritically pretending to be on the high road.

Now he's a hypocrite and a whiner.

Hillary? Very, very little. Have you ever watched MSNBC? Their shows are like Hillary-smearing brainstorming sessions.
That's the type of fabricated criticism we've been getting on our side. And now that we've seen how Obama handles even moderately critical questions, we can only imagine the apoplexy when Obama starts getting smeared hard with half-assed fabrications like Hillary has been getting throughout.

Welcome to the jungle, crybabies.

[JAbuchan08]

75. specific examples please?

half assed fabrications like her support for the IWR? her fake crying? Her vote for Kyle Leiberman? Her outright lies about Bosnian snipers? Her conflation of her and her husband's experience? Her planted questions?

How exactly has the media beaten up poor wittle Hillary?

There are very few examples of criticism that Hillary hasn't deserved, and those few examples when Hillary has been treated unfairly by the media she has whined about at 10x the volume of any Obama supporter and beaten the issue far past dead. In fact glue factories are right now complaining about the degree of abuse that Hillary has directed at dead horses french restaurants are less guilty of tenderizing horse-meat than Hillary and her supporters.

It's called a double standard. Any *percieved* slight of Hillary is supposed to be denounced by Obama supporters at top volume, but Hillary supporters can't be bothered to denounce (and in fact embrace) the same time-honored GOP tactics that we have spent eight years (and more) rejecting, just because Obama is the target.

I'm sorry I'd love to denounce slights by the media against Hillary, but I'd spend so much time arguing with Hillary supporters about what is wheat and what is chafe - and what is dead horseflesh - that it wouldn't be worth the effort.

[AllentownJake]

49. I'm sorry

That we stand up better for our candidate than you do. Maybe you should watch us and learn how its done :-)

[Tactical Progressive]

54. No, Obama was sorry, as he has been in almost every debate

This was the first one where the moderators weren't all kisses to Obama while throwing question after question trying to nail Hillary.

And Obama couldn't deal.

Now his supporters are screaming, and they haven't even gotten to the Republicans yet, just Charlie Gibson.

I think everybody has been watching how Obama's whiny supporters get things done. Especially Republicans.

[AllentownJake]

56. Don't worry

We are a nimble group...we adjust strategy. Your concern is well noted.

[undeterred]

52. Hillary NEVER takes responsibility for ANYTHING.

BLAME BLAME BLAME WHINE WHINE WHINE LIE LIE LIE.

[Tactical Progressive]

57. BlameBlameBlame LieLieLie WhineWhineWhine - THAT'S OBAMA!!!

Straight out of the Obama playbook.

Blame fellow Democrats, and the Democratic party as a whole, even for Bush's bad economics.
Then lie about yourself and your record.
Then WHINE WHINE WHINE whenever anyone questions you on any of it.

Boy did that come through in the debate and the post-debate whining.

[undeterred]

58. Doesn't ring a bit true about Obama, who is an honest man.

[Tactical Progressive]

62. Obama is about as honest as any con man

Which is to say he calls himself honest, and makes it look like he is on the surface.

I've seen practically no truth come out of the man.

[undeterred]

63. Are you God?

Because that's how arrogant a human being would have to be to think they know everything about another human being.

[Tactical Progressive]

69. I think Obama is the one said to have a bit of a God complex

And it shows. He is arrogant without justification. And pretty dishonest too.

If I was God, I wouldn't have made him that way, so I guess that proves I'm not.

[stillcool]

80. Coming from a Clinton supporter..

that is rich. What experience do you have with discerning truth?

[Name removed]

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[Tactical Progressive]

64. That's all you got?

A misremembrance that effects nothing political, and some shitty picture?

Just like Obama's scumbucket campaign, right from the gutter.

[undeterred]

68. All you have is Hillary, who shames the Democratic party

in every way. She is willing to destroy the party for her own selfish ego. Fortunately all her lies and hatred and fearmongering will be put to a stop by the rational powers and the voice of the American people in a few short days.

[Tactical Progressive]

71. Obama is a disgrace who has smeared Democrats and the Dem Party repeatedly

from the very start of his campaign, right up through this week when he put the Democratic economic successes of the 1990's into the same barrel as the Republian economics of GW Bush. Dishonest and disgusting, just to try to get himself a little lift.

Obama is about Obama and nothing more. His whole life. He's a liar and a race-baiter and a smear-merchant with an above-you-all attitude. If Democrats pick this morally and ethically bankrupt charlatan to represent them, then they become him, which is nothing any Dem should ever be.

Hillary and Bill have fought for this party for thirty years against nasty people and long odds, often standing up against them without much help while their fellow Dems cowered back into the shadows. It would be an honor, and a phenomenally smart move, to have them represent us.

[stillcool]

81. Some of Hillary's greatest hits...

You must be so proud...

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."


Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.

Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.

In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
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Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=278988
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.

Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/

Link for lawsuit: http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[merh]

82. You are so over the top and full of bull

How was Bill's getting a blow job in the oval office "because he could" fighting for the party or the nation? Oh sure, it was his private life and nobodies business but his and hillary's, but he knew since 1992 that the VRW was out to get him any way they could. He knew he was being scrutinized and he knew he had to be careful, but what does he do? He let's a kid intern (23 year old) pleasure him and then he lies about it over and over and over again.

And his economics weren't as great as you believe and he did all sorts of crap things in while in office.

Did you know that he is the one that began the extraordinary renditions?

How about those no-bid contracts with Halliburton in Bosnia and Kosovo?

They weren't perfect or saints while in the White House. Yes, they are better than what we have now, but a great deal of what Bill did while in the White House, both on a personal and political level, allowed for what we have now. Go look into those no-fly zones in Iraq, did you realize they were illegal - against international law and violations of the cease fire?

The clintons do not represent a brighter future for this nation, they represent the same ole same ole - and guess what, there is no such thing as a co-presidency.

[Tactical Progressive]

87. You're trying to cover for Obama's failures and Obamanation's whining with a bj?

It always comes back to a bj with Clinton-haters. Pathological, and as disgraceful as any Publican ever was. I think the low-road tactics of Obama is mirrored in his supporter's ethics and attitudes.

And, just like Obama, willing to cut down the true successes of Democrats. A smear-merchant, willing to slime Dems and the party, even if he, they, have to lie to do it. If Clinton just happened to be in office while the economy went through its normal up-cycle, then GW was the same, so what's wrong with Publican economics? That's the media's conventional wisdom, that 'Presidents don't really affect the economy'. And OK by you too.

The facts of course, are that Bill and Hill and Al stopped the Publican juggernaut, and reversed much of what Publicans were doing by going center-left. And that Obama is a low-life who has been cutting down Democrats and the party and its accomplishments since even before he started campaigning. Coming from someone who has never done anything for anybody but himself, he reeks.

Pabo is one nasty piece of cheese.

[merh]

91. Tell me how Bill did that.

Did he alter the foreign policy in the middle east, did he continue the no-fly zones that were illegal, did he begin the extraordinary renditions that, how about nafta and those no-bid contracts with halliburton.

Because what was the clinton administration was better than what we have now you paint them as perfect, but they weren't. A great deal of what bush has gotten away with is because of what bill failed to do (investigate and prosecute for the iran/contra - bcci crimes) or what he did. Tell me, when was the Iraqi Liberation Act passed?

You have the nerve to use derogatory names for those that dare to question the clinton administration while you worship at their altar and don't see that they are perfect, that is the funny thing. Hillary is neo-lib, imperialism is what she is after, go read what she said about the "umbrella of security she envisions in the middle east" and what will happen if anyone dares to violate it.

You want more of the same, I want different. I want what is best for our nation, not just the crowned "leaders" you have deemed worthy of your worship, not just the elite and not the corporations.

Edited to give you a link to an article you should read

This quote seems so very appropriate for our discussion.

“There is a lot of Clinton fatigue in the party and in the country today, and many people are reacting to that,” said Tom Daschle, the former Democratic leader in the Senate, who is supporting Mr. Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/politics/20loyalty.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[madrchsod]

55. if you do`t like obama do`t vote for him

i`m not sure why you are whining about him....what does hillary have to offer?

[Tactical Progressive]

66. Well thanks for your permission

I just hope that Democrats, after seeing just a glimpse of the kinds of unanswered questions Obama faces, and his evasiveness over them, and team-Obama's eXtreme Whiner Response to even being quesioned about them, have serious reservations about letting this media-puffed shell of a man have the party's nomination.

We real Democrats are hoping that Pennsylvania Dems realize this isn't Political Idol, like some of the other primary states seemed to think it was.

[Medusa]

67. Hillary as Victim.

The act is getting a bit old don't you think?

[Tactical Progressive]

70. Wait, I thought it was team-Obama wailing about being victimized for the past few days

Are you now projecting Obama's whining onto Hillary,
just like you did Obama's dishonesty and his race-baiting?

[stillcool]

79. you guys are too funny...

the American people gave ABC hell..and you say Obama is whining...Why do you hate Americans?

[Mooney]

99. When was Obama "race baiting"?

Honest question.

[OzarkDem]

74. There's been a real double standard applied

Its wrong, but its not surprising. Women have to fight it.

[mudesi]

85. So you've forgotten the "inevitability", I see

My what short memories we have.

Remember when the media was doing nothing but touting her inevitable win?

[Tactical Progressive]

88. God do I remember Obamaroids WHINING from the very start of the campaign about that

Every minute of every day. And the thing was, no Clinton supporter I ever saw thought anything like that.

The Clinton-Gore-hating media was spitting out the word 'inevitable' as in, 'can't somebody stop this bitch'. And they've behaved that way every second since.

So your pretenses that Hillary supporters ever had one ten-thousandth the arrogance and sanctimoniousness of Obama's supporters is absurd. As is your equally absurd notion that anyone in the media spoke the word 'inevitable' about Hillary with a happy smile on their face about it. The media was frantic to stop her, and her supporters never believed any such thing. We only started getting confident, in the normal, not-inevitable way, after she started blowing everyone away in the debates like clockwork.

Obamaroids on the other hand? I remember Obama's whining hordes demanding that Hillary drop out after New Hampshire! They've been insufferably arrogant to the point of ugliness since they had a 1-delegate lead. You got that arrogant thing exactly backwards. What a bunch of disgusting projectionists Obamaroids are. I guess with that many character flaws there's nothing else they can do.

So thanks for bringing that up. I'd almost forgotten how Obamanation has been arrogant and WHINING FROM THE START.

Which brings us back to the topic of this thread.

[Unbowed]

86. Obama would brush it off like more dust on his jacket. Obama don't whine, he raises more $$.

The Clinton's whine about everything. From the "ask Barack if needs another pillow" comment by Hillary to Bills comment about everyone picking on "the girl" (a sexist comment if ever there was one), it's been a literal whine-fest from Hill & Bill.

Obama, calls the media out, says he doesn't mind because it's what you expect when you run for President of the United States and brushes it off, with a gesture and a smile. He's very cool under pressure.

And there is the issue of money. Obama supporters don't like to see him attacked. He might not care, of course he don't care, because it gets him more and stronger support. Every time he's attacked, he raises a lot more money and his poll numbers go up.

Hell, Obama's probably hoping for more of these inane attacks.

Attack him right into the White House baby. Attack him right on home.

[Gore1FL]

89. Don't have to

I see enough whining from Clinton and her supporters daily.

For example, this thread.

[Occam Bandage]

90. Why would I "imagine" it? We've been dealing with your whining asses for months. Still are.

[butterfly77]

92. WRONG!

[susankh4]

93. I have imagined the whining

and it was deafening. So... now that he is getting the real grill it *is* deafening. I really don't want to be subjected to six more months of it either....

Please call the wahmbulance and take them away!

[stillcool]

94. That's the American people...

you're hearing. Leave it to the Clinton Campaign to not recognize the voices.

[stillcool]

95. yeah really....Imagine...

[backscatter712]

96. You Hill-Shills are such hypocrites.

When Hillary complains about the media calling her out for things like Snipergate, she's "standing up for herself."
When Obama calls out ABC for running an obviously rigged debate filled from beginning to end with loaded questions, he's "whining."

When the news shows Hillary in a blatant lie, it's "sexist" coverage.
When the news sets Obama up for a right-wing smear, it's "just politics."

You Hill-Shrills make me fucking sick!

[Butch350]

97. It Would Be Better Than Listening to Your Whinning

[AtomicKitten]

98. Hillary the Inevitable reigned supreme for a year beforehand.

Her hubris and inept campaign blinded her from seeing her real contender until it was too late. She had her day in the sun for a long-ass time. And now she and her supporters are miffed and howling because Obama is the front-runner now and is getting the ink. Nothing unfair about it.

[Life Long Dem]

103. Oh gawd! One word of advice.

If you think Hillary has been attacked, then stay away from the GE, because she wouldn't last a minute. (to throw her own words back at her)! :woohoo:

[uberllama42]

105. Why do you hate DU?

Wasn't this site founded as a place to whine about the theft of the 2000 election? The media are pushing bullshit 'gotcha' questions when they should be pressing the candidates on the issues. Coming here and bitching about that is no different than when we came here and bitched about the 2000 fiasco.