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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:32 AM
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News poll shows 73 percent of Penn students
Overwhelming student support for Obama

DP/CBS News poll shows 73 percent of Penn students favor Obama, with 71 percent of students supporting him statewide


According to a recent Daily Pennsylvanian/CBS News poll, Clinton (D-N.Y.) lags far behind Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) among Penn voters on campus.

Among Penn students, 73 percent of registered Democrats favor Obama for the nomination, compared to just 26 percent for Clinton - who appeared in Colbert's show, filmed on campus, last night in an appeal to young voters before Tuesday's primary.

http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/p...


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:04 AM
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1. Can't imagine why...
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:19 PM
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39. It's a funny thing I've noticed about people who have to live in the future
they're thinking, hoping, and dreaming about it all the time, instead of bitterly clinging to the past.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:30 PM
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41. the other day I was thinking..
about the past. "The Age of Aquarius", "Abraham, Martin, & John", "Women's Lib", "Free Love", "Black Power", "Mind Expansion", "Make love not war", "4 Dead in Ohio" ... :wtf: happened?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:05 AM
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2. Is this the university whose student newspaper endorsed Clinton?
Just yesterday, I think, or the day before.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:18 AM
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3. Yes it is... and I also found this
*Penn Dems vote to switch endorsement

*This article appeared in the 2008 Joke Issue.

At the end of the day, Obama was believed to be just too polarizing.

In an emergency meeting last night, Penn Democrats voted to revoke their March endorsement of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) in favor of Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.).

Citing increasing unease over the Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy - Obama's former pastor who used offensive language to criticize American foreign policy - the organization said it felt more comfortable supporting a less-controversial and more-unifying candidate.

http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/p...


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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:23 AM
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5. Most of them can't vote yet ... Hahaha
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 10:28 AM by barb162
As someone on that thread mentioned.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:34 AM
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11. Can't because they are not registered?
:shrug:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:41 AM
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14. try age
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:52 AM
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17. Try: Voting Age Is 18
Same age as college freshman.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:00 AM
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18. Um... are there really THAT many 17 year olds in college these days?
Way back in the stone age when i went to college, MOST of us were at LEAST 18 :)
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:36 AM
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13. Why can't they vote?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:42 AM
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15. age
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:51 AM
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16. Erm, University Students are 18. The voting age is 18.
Again I ask, why can't they vote?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:02 AM
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19. Strident ignorance equals stupidity.
Run along and buy a clue.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:39 AM
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31. Wow.
You know, ignorance ISN'T a virtue.


(The voting age is 18.)

:eyes:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:43 AM
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33. Only since 1971.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:21 AM
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4. 6 Big Papers in PA Endorse Obama, Clinton got one college paper
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 10:34 AM by JPZenger
Six of the 10 largest newspapers have endorsed Obama - two in Philadelphia, one in the Lehigh Valley, one in Northeast PA, one in Pittsburgh and one in the Harrisburg area. Meanwhile, Hillary has been endorsed by one college paper.

I read an account of the Colbert pre-show Friday night in Phila. They said most of the crowd consisted of U.Penn students. During the warmup, they asked who supported Hillary. Polite clapping by a few. They asked who supported Obama. The rafters on the building were lifted up by the noise.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:28 AM
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6. School newspapers at the college level generally are more cutting edge than the ...
regular papers. This could well mean the end of massive YOUTH support for Sen. Obama.

It is also possible that for a show, students were not all allowed to enter. It has happened this way at lots of gatherings.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:30 AM
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8. Among Penn students, 73 percent of registered Democrats favor Obama
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:28 AM
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7. Still, don't you find it odd?
73% of the university's students support Obama and Clinton gets the student newspaper endorsement?
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:32 AM
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9. I think it's Aplril fools day again
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:35 AM
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12. Probably tied into a Republican Students organization on campus.
The Newspaper that is.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:12 PM
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37. Editors of Student Paper Probably From New York
A huge percentage of U.Penn students are from northern New Jersey and New York. The editors of the student paper are probably from Westchester County and Long Island, where Hillary is popular.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:14 AM
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22. I think this poll was students at different schools in PA, not just Penn
The 73% is of students at 14 colleges in PA.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:18 AM
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23. Thanks
I took "Penn students" to be "Penn students" :D
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:19 AM
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24. No problem. Did you call the campaign about the push poll?
I called the office in Wynnewood last night, but you should call the main Philly office and your local office to let them know.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:11 PM
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35. I emailed it to 2 Obama sites
As I think about it, it may have been done for the Emily's List organization and not the Hillary campaign.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:41 AM
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32. you would be correct
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 11:42 AM by not_too_L8
Among Penn students, 73 percent of registered Democrats favor Obama for the nomination, compared to just 26 percent for Clinton - who appeared in Colbert's show, filmed on campus, last night in an appeal to young voters before Tuesday's primary.

Penn's numbers are also comparable to statewide data - according to the poll, which also includes data from campuses across Pennsylvania, 71 percent of students supported Obama, with 28 percent favoring Clinton.

It is from Penn, they also through in the state wide numbers

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:23 AM
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26. Actually, I had it right
According to a recent Daily Pennsylvanian/CBS News poll, Clinton (D-N.Y.) lags far behind Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) among Penn voters on campus.

Among Penn students, 73 percent of registered Democrats favor Obama for the nomination, compared to just 26 percent for Clinton - who appeared in Colbert's show, filmed on campus, last night in an appeal to young voters before Tuesday's primary.

Penn's numbers are also comparable to statewide data - according to the poll, which also includes data from campuses across Pennsylvania, 71 percent of students supported Obama, with 28 percent favoring Clinton.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:33 AM
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10. More newspaper endorsements for Obama
Obama has also received the endorsement of the Bucks County Courier-Times (an important paper in the Phila suburbs), the Newcastle paper (in northwest PA) and in Sunbury (one of the larger papers in north-central pa).

I haven't found any commercial newspapers in PA that have endorsed Hillary.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:03 AM
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20. BREAKING NEWS!!!! lol.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:03 AM
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:22 AM
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25. Perfect example of the kind of ageism we see from Clinton supporters
You call Obama elitist for "looking down on" white working class voters (which he wasn't), yet some of you constantly say shit like this that demeans young voters. Why was it not a bigger deal when a Clinton supporter got up at one of her rallies and called Obama supporters "latte-sipping, Prius-driving, birkenstock-wearing trust fund babies"?

If young people are so stupid and lazy and older Clinton supporters are so wise, why are people under 30 the only age group that voted for Kerry in 2004?
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:28 AM
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28. Good for you!
You managed to get three negative-connotation words into one short sentence! And you're such a new poster, too. Got any bias?
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:12 PM
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36. welcome to DU...now get a clue
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:27 AM
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27. But, but, but Chelsea's campaigning for mom on college campuses!
:sarcasm:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:30 AM
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29. HAHAHA! So the Penn paper is just like the pro media - not representative of its readers' views.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:35 AM
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30. The Clintons are old: physically, politically, technologically....
..., sociologically, and in mind-set and values. They are just plain old.

Nothing wrong with being old physically, as long as one is still forward-thinking and ready to embrace change.

The Clintons clearly are not for change anymore. They are advocates of status quo because, as long as the status quo holds, they will be part of the Elites.

They speak about the past A LOT. This harkening to the "good old days" is so Republican, it makes my head spin.

If you want the status quo, Hillary Clinton is for you. She will continue Bush Jr's policies and her politics are the same, so we can expect the same secrecy, manipulations and Rove policies and tactics.

However, if you really want change, then you have to look elsewhere. I've settled on Obama, but there are other options.

Just don't sell out America to a status-quo candidate.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:56 PM
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43. PoliticalAmazon, thank you for your opinion. I will be 69 next year. May I ask how old you are?
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 01:00 PM by Radio_Lady
The Four Ages of Women



Just curious. No worries if you do not wish to reveal this.

After all, my sister-in-law NEVER tells me her age. Not in 36 years of being married to her brother.

Here's how I figure it out: Hubby Al is 74, born on June 23, and he has one sister two years younger born on THEIR COMMON birthday. (Talk about rivalry!)

The sister-in-law who won't talk is nine years younger than my husband, born April 22.

I think a second grader could figure that one out! But I still have to use my fingers! :sarcasm:

Cordially,

Radio Lady
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 01:34 PM
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44. Our ages are irrelevant. We aren't running for office....
Well, at least *I'M* not running for office.

It's the mindset and their political approach that make the Clintons "old." They used to be forward-thinking, progressive, and "young" in their political outlook. No more.

It is the "old" politics that are killing our country. It is the status quo political pimps who are killing our country.

The Clintons are not for "change" in the way most Americans mean it. Based on their actions, and not on their words, they likely would continue to aggressively push outsourcing of American jobs, continue the Middle East conflict at least at the Bush Jr level (and after the last debate, Hillary might actually get us into MORE wars), and continue policies, such as the bankruptcy measure Hillary endorsed with her vote, that that will harm Americans.

Hillary backed the majorit of Bush Jr's most heinous policies. We cannot expect her to do any different than what she has already demonstrated as her priorities.

So if a voter wants 4 more years of Bush-Jr/neocon policies, then Hillary is the candidate. But if they want change, they must go elsewhere.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 01:47 PM
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45. My age is very relevant. But I accept your point of view.
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 01:48 PM by Radio_Lady
If I were 30 years old, I might be able to more easily identify with your extrapolated position.

But my history takes me back to the 1940s, and I recalled a good deal of it quite vividly. Dad was a very political guy -- always a Democrat in the "solid South." (Solidly Democratic!). He was elected Councilman, Vice Mayor, and finally a judge. Politics is our sports... and the same is true in my 36 years with Al.

Jack Kennedy promised us "the moon" in 1960. As you know, he was gunned down in 1963. That dream came through long after he was dead. The continuity goes back before you were born and before I was born.

The OP just echoed some of my cousin's feelings. My cousin was born in 1944.

As it is, I still see that Bill Clinton did a pretty darn good job, given what came before and after him.

Thank you for your comments.

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady in Oregon
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:49 AM
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34. This is good news!! Hopefully everything combined will mean Obama gets a net gain in delegates!
And perhaps even win by popular vote? (Not saying he will but it would be GREAT!!!)


GOBAMA!!
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:17 PM
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38. this isn't surprising since it's happening all over the nation...
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 12:19 PM by Blue_Roses
my nephew just graduated from college and he's strong Obama. He's never been politically active in his life. In fact, I've always been the one who has been the politically active one and when he told me how much he did for Obama's campaign here in Texas for the primary and will continue to do when he's running in the GE, I was stunned--proud, but stunned.

And it's not just him either. This generation reminds me of the 1980's generation when everyone went hogwild for Reagan. I was a freshman in college then and remember how people really got on the bandwagon then. It seems that a "movement" of change--whether to the right or left--happens during these cycles of evolving political decades. This "cycle" is looking for progressive change and understandably so. People are tired of the GOP politics and that's why there is a shift. It can't be stopped. Hillary isn't liked very much with this generation. They see her as "motherly, scolding, and out of touch," per my nephew. Hillary maintains support from women and older Dems.

These "older" Dems and Repubs who are conservative are dying out and their voice is getting weaker. I think that's a good thing for this country.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:24 PM
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40. One DUer said that the polls have no way of counting all the newly registered voters,
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 12:26 PM by Radio_Lady
which s/he estimated at 10 to 13% of the total. Therefore, polls can vary and they cannot be completely trusted.

How would they do it? Telephone intercept techniques are obsolete due to the fact that cellphone numbers aren't easily available. Standing on a corner of the campus and doing personal intercepts has its own flaws.

I'll have to read more about it at the link.

Thanks for your comments.

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady in Oregon



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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:41 PM
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42. Here's a link to the latest DU wonderwork on THE MATH 4/14:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thanks from me and many others for your hard work, Phringdumass! I am relying on your 100%.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/phringdumass

Last night, Howard Dean asked all the superdelegates to vote by June 3, which is the end of the primary season. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that date. (We have a startling number of personal and family issues to deal with this month, and I have tuned out much of this primary season. Please don't hold that against me.)

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady in Oregon

PS. We still don't have our mail-in ballots for May 20th primary. :-(



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JustinL Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 01:11 AM
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46. his support extends to the GE - Obama 71, McCain 29
Clinton leads McCain 58 to 42
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