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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:17 PM
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Wow...Hillary totally wipes the floor with Barack
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 09:19 PM by JoFerret
Incredible. Her mastery of the details and their implications is amazing.

She smashes Bush on economics as well as everything else.
Barack now whines.
Clearly - he just does NOT know what he is doing.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:17 PM
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1. Which debate are you watching? n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:21 PM
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14. lol, my first thought, too.
If they repeat it often enough, though, well, you know.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:11 AM
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111. I wonder if sleepwalking is part of the Clinton supporter's 'dreams?'
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 08:12 AM by polpilot
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:22 PM
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21. Well, you know if it supports an inveterate liar
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 09:23 PM by zidzi
then there wouldn't be any problems with that.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:39 PM
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58. shhh, Jo's debating JimFerrett
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IamyourTVandIownyou Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:44 AM
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108. >
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:18 PM
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2. Are you in some sort of a dream coma? eom.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:18 PM
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3. This is perhaps the poorest moderation and questioning I've ever seen in a debate.
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:18 PM
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4. I agree
And I've been supportive of Obama on this forum. Obama is stammering like crazy.
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dhill926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:21 PM
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yep, she's winning the battle of the green line (undecideds reaction)....
Obama seems a bit off his game. btw, I support him. and I hate the fuck out of Charlie Gibson....
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Crooked Moon Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:21 PM
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12. yeah he really stumbled
when pinned down on raising the cap for payroll taxes for people earning between 97k and 200k is essentially a middle class tax increase.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:15 AM
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98. I'm surprised they both aren't.
If we continue with this stretched-out uber-long primary system, one day we will have candidates dropping dead on the podium.

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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:19 PM
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5. Sexist! Why must it be women who wipe floors? And what
debate are you watching?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:21 PM
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16. Hillary really understands the issues
Barack is lost.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:25 PM
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29. Here come to the guns
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 09:28 PM by JoFerret
Leaning on Mayor Nutter - smart move.
Assault weapons ban.
Law and order.
Cops outgunned.
Clever stuff ... any minute will come the hunting guns.
Guns in the wrong hands .... common sense... constitutional right...balance.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:41 PM
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61. Deleted sub-thread
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:19 PM
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6. Nope,.. she just fucked up again.. on the social security issue.. she sucks ass
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 09:19 PM by Johnny__Motown
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:24 PM
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25. Totally disagree. Hillary TRULY understands it
He does too. But not to the same degree.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:26 PM
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31. Come on.. she referenced the '82 solutions then said she wouldn't do those things... WTF?
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 09:26 PM by Johnny__Motown
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:09 AM
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93. you mean she said she would not raise the tax rate like they did in 1982 (well technically 1983...)
or that she would not use the money to cover the deficits?
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:35 PM
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46. Now she is splitting hairs over gun control.. she had a different stance running in NY and now tries
to have it both ways



she sucks ass
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:40 PM
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It's a complex issue.
Se navigated it well.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:54 PM
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72. she flip flopped.. and no.. it isn't that complex.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:12 AM
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95. "Flip flop." Republican vocabulary.
How interesting where Obama supporters go in times of stress.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:36 PM
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49. She is now doing fantastic on education
.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:57 PM
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75. Yes she did well there. once we figure out the funding.. most public schools are funded by propriety...
taxes (locally) and with property values dropping the taxable values may/should drop also.

Public schools need serious and permanent funding reform.


Nothing against her on this.. she did outline the goals fairly well, I just don't know how we will reach them
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:55 AM
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113. I agree with you on the funding issue
And with her - (and I would hope you) - on NCLB.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:19 PM
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7. The mastery is clear tonight. I'm really enjoying this show.

(And the consternation it's causing) :evilgrin:
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:20 PM
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8. Obama has been holding his own and looks more presidential
I think he has the edge.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:32 PM
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42. He's certainly still standing
.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:13 AM
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96. That reminds me of wanting to have a beer with *. WTF! That's a stupid reason to pick a candidate!
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 02:13 AM by TheGoldenRule
:puke:
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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:20 PM
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9. I have to agree. This is not a good night for Obama.
He looked like an amateur when talking about capital gains taxes and social security.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:22 PM
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18. Are you joking? I thought he handled it all amazingly well.
Especially since they clearly had the corporate guns blazing.
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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:00 PM
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76. He was brutal. He talks about raising the capital gains tax because "it's the right thing to do",
even though it was pointed out that over the last 25 years, when the rates been lowered or kept the same, the tax revenue goes up. So he wants to raise the tax to decline the revenue because "it's the right thing to do? What does that even mean? Then he criticizes Hillary's plan to convene a panel for solutions to social security the way Reagan and Tip O'Neill did back in the 80's. Why exactly would that be a bad thing?

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:39 AM
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90. You're from Canada ... there are more issues than capital gains here ...
Beyond which fact, why do you care?
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csorman Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:39 PM
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56. Can I have some of what you're smoking?
'Cause it must be good.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:21 PM
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10. You've posted this same message on two other threads
Let me ask again ... which debate are you watching?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:21 PM
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11. I guess you're watching the debate in Bizarro World.
In my dimension, our next President Barack Obama is clearly winning with more thoughtful points, and complete take-downs of Hillary's jabs.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:23 PM
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24. I think Obama is winning,
but maybe that's my bias...but I was concerned that he looked a little pissed between questions (understandable with the idiotic questions they're asking) but I prefer the pissed off look to her crazy smiling and the shifty eyes....
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:48 PM
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68. Whining?
His supporters are. That is for sure.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:52 PM
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70. nah. winning.
I'm not whining, I think he held his own.
not thrilled about the moderators, but no big deal.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:01 PM
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78. He was not even as good at dissembling and evading
e.g. on gun control

(important qualities in a politician.)
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:08 PM
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82. I thought he was great
on the weather underground, kinda handed George his ass.
and on payroll tax.

they both stumbled on gun control.

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:31 PM
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89. He was great on that
And she was great too on Iraq and the economy. Two great candidates.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:26 PM
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33. Pardon, that's "Hillaryworld." Oh, my bad. "Bizarro World" = Hillaryworld" n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:21 PM
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:25 PM
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28. what? How bizarre...you really have gone off the deep end
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:27 PM
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36. Hillary's campaign is run by a box full of ferrets. n/t
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:04 PM
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79. Yes. I am furry, lovable and banned by Mayor Rudy
Be careful. I will bite you with truth serum!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:21 PM
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15. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha
You're just laughable
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:21 PM
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17. Hillary is confused....Thinks 97,000 a year is middle class.
Almanac shows 97,000 income puts you is in top 15% of Households.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:24 PM
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26. Yep, Barack nailed that.. only 6% make more than that.. my god she is poorly informed
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:01 AM
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110. One thing Hillary is not
is "ill-informed".

You can hate her all you want but to question her competence and mastery of policy detail is very , well, "ill-informed'. Or more likely ill-intentioned.
Whatever - wrong anyway.
Kerry was more informed than Bush - did him no good.
Gore was more informed than Bush - did him no good.

She is well informed. So is Obama.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:22 PM
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Yes the mastery of BS
"Oh NOOO... I would NEVER raise your taxes!! Vote for me! Tax cuts yeah yeah yeah"

She sounds like John McCain
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igor2008 Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:22 PM
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19. All Barrack has got is his memorized talking points
Hillary is totally slaughtering him.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:32 PM
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43. Does Barack have a beard on the TV you're watching?
Because you're obviously watching the debate from Star Trek's Mirror Universe.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:35 PM
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48. Checking
um no
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:38 PM
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52. Welcome to DU!
And goodbye, as I'm sure you won't be around very long. :)
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:22 PM
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20. You can't be watching the same debate I am! n/t
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:22 PM
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22. Hillary was at her pandering best during that question.
Hillary, you can't have it both ways.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:23 PM
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23. The debate I'm watching, this evening and throughout the recent
primaries and caucuses, tells yet another tale.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:25 PM
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27. can you come over and cut my grass?
obviously your are unemployed and not capable of securing lasting employment. I'll pay you weekly. It's all good.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:18 AM
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100. Wow. Can I get away with saying things like that?
I've been trying to be careful.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:25 PM
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30. she is soooo
kicking his aaaaasssssssss!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:26 PM
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32. Thanks for the report from ClintonCloudCuckooLand.
Keep hitting that bong! :rofl:
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:26 PM
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34. Like Clinton's pardon of 2 Weather Underground members...
And then Hillary lambastes Obama for serving on a board with one of the members?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:27 PM
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pass the pipe this way, please
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:27 PM
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35. You guys say the same thing during every debate... and then three days from now Obama's #'s go up.
:shrug:
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:27 PM
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37. repeat what she said and how her answer actually answers the question
she is an expert politician, she gives canned answers that are catered towards the best audience reaction, yet often largely avoid the question presented, or leave out the sordid details (like that the committee she was praising raised the payroll tax and the retirement age).

She does well at debates because she has more practice giving sound bites and leading people on, rather than actually answering questions.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:27 PM
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:29 PM
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39. Nice spin
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:31 PM
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40. You're enjoying the flagrantly biased hatchet job?
Obama's still getting in hits right and left despite how horribly rigged this piece of shit of a "debate" is.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:32 PM
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41. LOL....
...she is getting eaten alive...

I guess you are too deep into denial to see and hear it.

She just BLEW the last question on hand guns...and I think I heard booing, but not sure.

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:33 PM
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44. "Screw em"
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:34 PM
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45. Look at the GREEN line. HRC 80% and Obama is about 68%
she is Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay High and he is mediocre.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:36 PM
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51. Steph worked for her husband and she only gets a 12% lead.. my god she sucks
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:38 PM
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54. She is damn good
and you know it. Barack does.
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:35 PM
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47. You know
you can put on your shiny shoes and pretty new dress, and have everything rigged in your favor (former first lady, etc. etc. etc.) but if it is not for you, it is not for you. I hope this primary is over next week. She's yelling again.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:36 PM
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50. Thanks for the laugh! nt
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:38 PM
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53. You lost this:
:sarcasm:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:38 PM
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55. Delusion seems to be the common thread of Hillary and her supporters.
Hillary has never wiped the floor with anyone, and she never will.

Pull the cord on her back, and hear her tape recorded responses.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:39 PM
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57. Quit being so bitter
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csorman Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:39 PM
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59. Dreeeeeeaaaam. Dream dream dreaaaaam, dreeeee-eee-eee-eee-eeam...
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:40 PM
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60. Gee. Your opinon was change so much by listening to part of one debate?
What a revelation this must have been.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:41 PM
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62. Pass the Delusion Bong!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:42 PM
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63. did you start the drinking game early?
:shrug:

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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:43 PM
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64. I think they are both holding their own quite nicely, but he looks tired.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:44 PM
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65. She has mastered the details of quotes from Rev. Wright
and bitter and flagpins. Perhaps she should put more time into thinking about policy and not about negative attacks ...
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Citizen_Penn Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:45 PM
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66. Your posery is laughable.
It is clear that nothing of reality reaches your brain.

This is a senseless post, your candidate is over.

Hillary behaved better tonight than you have.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:46 PM
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67. I'd give Hillary a slight lead.


I thought she showed zero class with her comments on the Bittergate, Weather and Wright stuff. Obama took the high ground and took up for her over the Bosnia thing where she couldn't resist the cheap shots. Obama won that part.

On the issues part I think Hillary is giving more coherent responses overall.

However I would characterize this as the "Republican talking points gotcha commentators against the Democratic candidates" rather than Clinton vs Obama.

This debate shows why the primary has gone on too long. It does the eventual nominee or even the party issues no good to allow these guys to hit the candidates with right wing bs.
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susanwy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:14 PM
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86. agreed!
This is what pisses me off so much!!! The media spent 2/3 of the debate focusing on non-issues (Bittergate, Wright, Bosnia), but very little time on ISSUES. Makes me want to puke. Hillary clearly has a better command of the issues, hands down. But, the average voter will not care, they want the blood.

Full disclosure - I'm still undecided between the two.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:49 PM
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69. Recommended and
:kick:
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:53 PM
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71. Did you miss the part where she admitted lying?
Or were you just ignoring it?
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:55 PM
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73. She excels in debates
Especially old-fashioned Lincoln/Douglas type debates. I'm sorry I missed it.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:55 PM
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74. All hype aside
Hillary was better at dissembling and evading too.

e.g. as on gun control.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:01 PM
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77. I thought so too.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:10 PM
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84. She is just better at the job
From the mastery of policy detail to the need to dissemble.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:06 PM
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:07 PM
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81. Pretty subjective on your part...
How did she even smash Bush on economics?

She lost.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:52 AM
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112. It was my opinion after all
So of course it was subjective.

And I think you probably do realize that Hillary's grasp of economics (and what needs to be done to turn the Bush economy around) are detailed and thorough. In fact - they are almost identical to Obama's.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:09 PM
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83. She was very strong, and he looked weak and tired.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:11 PM
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85. She certainly did. She is articulate, smart, and concise. Obama lacks all of those things.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:18 PM
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87. Oh yeah, that Reagan Commission argument she gave was a real winner
Obama ate her for breakfast on that one: that commission raised the retirement age and raised payroll taxes. Oops.

Her attempt to link Obama to the Weather Underground was another blow well delivered (not): she got the boomerang reminder that hubby made presidential pardons for two members of that group.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:23 PM
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88. He knows exactly what he's doing...
beating her
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:44 AM
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91. Hillary is the only one tha can lead this nation!
She is far better than McCain and Obama!
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:47 AM
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92. I love Hillary and wish that was true, but I just didn't see it. To me, it was just another debate
Nobody won or lost. Nothing big happened. I don't see all the fuss or excitement.

If Hillary wins big in PA it will be because of the "bitter" comments. If Barack wins then it will probably be because of the Casey endorsement.

I doubt this debate will have any impact at all, other then it might pressure Barack to take the NC debate if the ratings are good. Network debates will be watched by more people then cable debates.

Steve
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:10 AM
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94. Thanks Baghdad Bob! Glad to see you're back from Iraq! -eom
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:13 AM
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97. LOL!
:rofl:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:17 AM
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99. You're going to cry bitter, bitter tears when the PA Primary results come in
but what else is new my dear?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:23 AM
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102. So you utterly begrudge even the smallest victory now?
How completely charming of you. How much we all have to look forward to.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:48 AM
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103. That's really dense. You think that was a victory?
Have you looked at any of the online polls or read any articles from serious papers? She just buried herself even further.

Everytime you cackle with glee that he had to run through one of her gauntlets, it backfires on her. Her numbers aren't even sinking now, they're tanking and instead of helping her, you encourage her in the delusion. I couldn't pay the HRC campaign enough hard cold cash to help him more than they already are.

It's a sad spectacle to see people who supposedly support her cheering everytime she makes her own situation worse.

But go for it, you have my full encouragement. I'd be devastated if you changed strategy and actually started "helping" her.

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:20 AM
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101. She's a master of Implications .. Innuendos and Smears...Guilt by Association great Job!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:50 AM
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105. Did you see this brilliant summary?
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 02:58 AM by Catherina
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For those who didn't see, the debate in a nutshell

Mod: Senator Clinton, how do you feel about Iraq?
Hillary: I feel we should leave.

Mod: Senator Obama, why do you hate America?
Obama: I love America, it's been good to me.

Mod: Senator Clinton, do you feel that poor people should have more money?
Hillary: Absolutely

Mod: Sen. Obama, when was the last time you and Reverend Wright plotted to blow up an Embassy?
Obama: Can't we just talk about the issues instead of this tabloid stuff?

Mod: Senator Clinton, what is your kitten agenda
Hillary: I feel kittens are soft and fluffy and should be cared for.

Mod: Senator Obama, someone you went to grade school with was arrested 8 years ago for kicking a kitten. Why do you hate kittens?
Obama: How is this relevant at all?

Mod: Senator Clinton, tell us exactly how brave you were in overcoming your husband's adultery?
Hillary: i was very brave. God helped me.

Mod: Senator Obama, it's all over the internet that you are an evil Muslim elitist terrorist. Why are you an evil Muslim elitist terrorist?
Obama: I'm not. And weren't you just asking me about my CHRISTIAN pastor?
Mod: The one you blow up embassies with?
Obama: What? Are you serious.

Mod: We have to take a commercial. Senator Clinton, we realize that we haven't paid enough attention to you and we deeply apologize.
Hillary: Quite alright.

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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:49 AM
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104. She also voted for the Iraq War
And for war with Iran.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:02 AM
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106. Hanging on to your Mondale bumper sticker too?
Stick a fork in her, she's done. Since February.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:10 AM
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107. In your dreams...
:boring: :rofl:
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 05:06 AM
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109. hahaha. wipes the floor with barack then eats off of it.
gives her food that nice presidential flavor she so passionately craves.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:56 AM
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114. Drive by molehill?? n/t
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:58 AM
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115. You're full of shit.
The debate was a waste of time. Might have well have been the RNC up there asking the questions.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:01 AM
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116. Kind of like how the ugliest dog competition winner is called cute.
All through the eyes of the beholder. Yah she talked about how her husband did some good. But she had nothing of her own. And she was knocked back on several questions.
I call it for Obama. He made lemons to lemonade last night.
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