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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:08 PM
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Obama needs to release his tax returns NOW
As some of you may know, Obama refuses to release his tax returns from his years in the Illinois senate, despite repeated calls for him to release them. What is Obama trying to hide?

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligen...
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:09 PM
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1. Why?
He released the last seven years, that not enough?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:11 PM
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3. Why won't he release his returns from the years in which he was in public life?
Could it be because he accepted contributions from corporations and lobbyists while in office?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:14 PM
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12. lol. Clinton doesn't count his state senate experience as "experience" so he doesn't have to
release anything.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:29 PM
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40. Contributions would be on his personal tax returns?
:shrug:
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:10 PM
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2. Has Hillary released hers yet?
:shrug:
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:12 PM
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4. Yes she has
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:14 PM
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11. Sorry, I must have missed that.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 01:18 PM by racaulk
Do you have a link?

On edit, nevermind. I see it linked from your OP link now. Thanks! :hi:
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:12 PM
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5. Hillary needs to release the donors for the Clinton library NOW. nt
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:13 PM
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7. Deflect?
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:07 PM
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53. Why? It's not HER library.
It's Bill's.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:13 PM
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6. which years from his Illinois Senate haven't been released?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:14 PM
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9. 1997, 1998, 1999
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:14 PM
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10. 9 years ago? is he required to have them back that far?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:16 PM
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13. He was a member of public life wasn't he?
Don't you think it's important to see who has contributed to Obama in the past? To see which corporations/lobbyists he has accepted contributions from?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:17 PM
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18. are political contributions listed in tax returns?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:17 PM
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20. Who said anything about the contributions being political?
That's why he needs to release this info right away.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:19 PM
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26. you said you wanted to know who has contributed to him in the past
do you mean his income is a contribution?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:19 PM
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28. We need to see where mr.Obama made his money while in office
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:21 PM
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29. because you are looking to see if his income sources are the same as political contributors
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:22 PM
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31. Absolutely
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:22 PM
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32. did you see that in records back to 2000?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:24 PM
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34. Obama changed his message as soon as he decided he would run for prez
What's so disagreeable about this? I fail to understand why there's so much resistance? Why not simply release the tax returns, and put all of this to rest? And why are you, as a supporter, so keen to not have him release them?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:26 PM
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36. i don't have any resistance to it
if he has them you can ask him to release them, but many people don't have tax records going back 12 years, even people in public life. he certainly didn't live like he had any more income than his leglistative and lecturer salaries provided.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:27 PM
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37. Then he needs to say that he no longer has a copy
Instead of flat out refusing to release them.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:30 PM
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41. we'll see what happens
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:19 PM
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27. 7 years is all that's required by the IRS........
............good enough for me.....
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:13 PM
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8. Yeah. Where is the transparency?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:16 PM
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14. He has conveniently lost his state senate papers via "messy desk" syndrome
So his tax papers are probably in the same trash bin(shredder)

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:16 PM
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15. "But Clinton's camp is more interested in those from the late 1990s" WTF the man wasn't even able
to pay off his student loans until a recent book deal-he must have been swimming in cash. :eyes:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:17 PM
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19. Bittergate has backfired and now they need to deflect.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:16 PM
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16. it took Hillary long enough...hmm, I don't recall you demanding her to release her returns.
I wonder why?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:16 PM
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17. Mmmm... more manufactroversy.
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GDAEx2 Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:42 PM
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49. LMAO!!!
Bloo said "manufactroversy"!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:45 PM
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51. :) I stole it from someone else who posted coupla days ago - it's a good'un tho.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:17 PM
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21. Honest question
Having done my taxes this past week, I was reminded that the IRS only asks you to keep your tax returns for 3 years.

If I had to produce tax returns from 7 years ago, I definitely would not be able to.

Is it POSSIBLE he doesn't have them? If so, does the IRS keep documents going that far back that he could request copies from?

I honestly just don't know how it works...
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:18 PM
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22. Why does he have to go back to the 90s? Clinton only released the last 7 years
Who's making this demand?

If the Clinton campaign wants those returns, they'd better cough up their returns for the same years. I'm sure they'll have NO problem with that, right? Nothing during the WJC administration to hide, right?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:18 PM
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23. Wrong. The Clinton's tax returns were released while Bill was prez
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:24 PM
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33. Ah, true. So basically HRC is scraping for any remnants of the kitchen sink
Because they never know what they'll find!

"By gawd, if we didn't find something in that kindergarten paper and if we couldn't twist an illicitly-taped quote to drop his poll numbers, then THIS should do it!"

Someone - Pelosi, Reid, Gore, Carter, Dean...SOMEONE - get the hook already.

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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:18 PM
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24. He won't
He'll bluster and orate some lofty prose about how this is an attack on him. He MUST remain part of the "working class", and the amount of money he made in those years and the *way* he made that money (Resko?? hmmm???) would not bode well for teh hoi polli and his manufactured reputation as a "man of the people".

I tell ya....you *hafta* switch over to Hill!

:puke:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:19 PM
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25. I smell a desperate distraction...
Obama tax returns dating to 1997...

When Obama posted his 2000 to 2006 tax returns on his site, the information was already released, just not posted.

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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:21 PM
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30. Why won't he post the info? Whatever happened to transparency?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:28 PM
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38. Weren't you just up in arms because you thought he hadn't released them?
The information has been released, that's transparency.

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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:31 PM
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44. Shuffling it into some dark corner where no one can find it, isn't transparency.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:34 PM
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45. Releasing information to the media is "shuffling it into some dark corner"?
Are you serious?

Why did Ron Burkle pay Clinton $15 million?


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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:26 PM
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35. How would he know this?
"During this period of time, Sen. Obama was accepting contributions from special interest lobbyists, PACs and even directly from corporations."

And what would these contributions have to do with his tax returns?

BTW, did he say at the time that he would not accept lobbyist money? This was long before his Senate race, or his Presidential race, when he DID say he would refuse lobbyist money.

Maybe his acceptance, at the time, of lobby money is why the DLC was so interested in him - he seemed to share their lack of principles. Then, turning the tables, he rejected the DLC and refused lobbyist money, seeing what pernicious influence it had on the system.

Imagine, a politician maturing in office.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:28 PM
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39. Illinois has interesting rules about campaign finance.
From what I hear, the game is played a lot differently there. Still, none of that is illegal there.
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:30 PM
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42. lol
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:30 PM
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43. repeated calls? UR full of S*it ...she just started that bullshit yesterday
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:35 PM
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46. Well I know I called for release of them about a month ago. nt
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:38 PM
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47. I'd like to see them too
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:40 PM
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48. Whatta bunch of bullshit. NO ONE is required to keep tax records from that long ago.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:44 PM
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50. The man JUST paid off his student freakin loans what do you THINK his returns will look like?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:55 PM
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52. What about the $18 million unaccounted for with recent Clinton tax releases?
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 02:02 PM by zulchzulu
They didn't finish their "promise". Once they let us know about the missing $18 million bucks, Obama can then release his tax returns.

The question is:

WHAT ABOUT $18 MILLION UNACCOUNTED FOR?

CUMULATIVE TOTAL (GROSS) INCOME: $109,175,175
Sources
Senator Clinton's Senate Salary: $1,051,606
President Clinton's Presidential Pension: $1,217,250
Senator Clinton's Book Income: $10,457,083
President Clinton's Book Income: $29,580,525
President Clinton's Speech Income: $51,855,599

About 18 million unaccounted for... tax fraud anyone?



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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:13 PM
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54. Don't be ridiculous.
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