Hillary is Joan of Arc.

[anamnua]

A lone heroine surrounded by the hate-filled, frenzied masses of the blogosphere/MSM/politico Obama nation salivating over an upcoming áuto-da-fe, frenetically waving their torches and piling up the wood.
However the story line differs in that I can see our heroine breaking free.

[Emillereid]

1. You're right - she's completely delusional just like Joan.

[GarbagemanLB]

4. ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Hieronymus]

7. Excellent observation. Joan was about 40 years younger, too.

[K Gardner]

9. Did Hilly's granpa teach her sword-fighting by the lake, too?

[Divernan]

27. Funny HRC remebers the childhood gunplay, but "misremembers" Tuzla.

They say as you get senile, your childhood memories become clearer, while your more recent memories fade.

[krkaufman]

87. And don't forget her MLK recollections ...

... of being distraught at hearing of his death and throwing her bookbag across her dorm room.

[yourguide]

2. I dont want to see her burn...

but would love to see her lose graciously.

eh, maybe I would like to see her burn, just a little, like her hair getting cinged.

[hisownpetard]

25. Foul, Foul!! You cannot mention Hillary and "graciously" in the same sentence.

I mean, really!!

This is a given.

[Blue-Jay]

3. She's hearing voices?

[americanstranger]

19. Yeah, and they're saying 'Jesus, when are you gonna give it up?'

And they sound suspiciously like Al Gore and Jimmy Carter.

- as

[Symarip]

5. If only people would judge her for who she is and by the words she speaks

October 10, 2002

Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
As Delivered

Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.

I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

I also greatly respect the differing opinions within this body. The debate they engender will aid our search for a wise, effective policy. Therefore, on no account should dissent be discouraged or disparaged. It is central to our freedom and to our progress, for on more than one occasion, history has proven our great dissenters to be right.

Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980's, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

In 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Kuwait, losing the support of the United States. The first President Bush assembled a global coalition, including many Arab states, and threw Saddam out after forty-three days of bombing and a hundred hours of ground operations. The U.S.-led coalition then withdrew, leaving the Kurds and the Shiites, who had risen against Saddam Hussein at our urging, to Saddam's revenge.

As a condition for ending the conflict, the United Nations imposed a number of requirements on Iraq, among them disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction, stocks used to make such weapons, and laboratories necessary to do the work. Saddam Hussein agreed, and an inspection system was set up to ensure compliance. And though he repeatedly lied, delayed, and obstructed the inspections work, the inspectors found and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction capability than were destroyed in the Gulf War, including thousands of chemical weapons, large volumes of chemical and biological stocks, a number of missiles and warheads, a major lab equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons, as well as substantial nuclear facilities.

<snip>

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

[damonm]

46. I do - that's why I support Obama...

[Symarip]

54. Strange?

I do too.

This Obama guy is on to something...

[lyonn]

64. I watched that speech many years ago and was so surprised

when, near the end she stated:

"This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction."

All one could conclude is that she knew something many of us didn't. All the evidence at that point was vague and mushroom cloud talk was definitely suspect after hearing other people that would also have a good idea of what Saddam was likely to have in the way of WMD's.

[Symarip]

67. The way I look at it

You have two scenario's, and neither of them are that flattering.

A) She was tricked which means she should have done her homework and read the NIE like Paul Wellstone did.

or

B) She was too scared to stand up and speak truth to power.


Either way, rewarding her with a presidency would be like throwing a party when your kid fails out of highschool.

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[JeffR]

8. You forgot to mention the sniper fire

:eyes:

[Symarip]

10. lol

[C_U_L8R]

11. yeah except she's Hillary of Summering In The Vineyard

[Vinca]

12. Can't be . . . sounds too ELITIST!

:rofl:

[Skidmore]

13. How long did it take you to make that one up?

[anamnua]

37. About as long as it took to make yours up

[hogwyld]

14. They both have a martyr complex?

Not someone I would want in the WH with her finger on the button!

[Undercurrent]

15. She disguised herself as a man?

Who knew.

[Kool Kitty]

74. She led the French army, too.

You live and you learn. ;)

[WillyT]

16. Somebody Told Me She Was Joan Of FARC !!!

Should I trust them ???

:hide:

[catnhatnh]

17. Ah, Innocent young St. Joan.....

Otherwise known as Our Lady of the Cattle Futures.....

[That Guy 888]

18. Joan of Arc sided with the English??? n/t

[anamnua]

38. Not quite true. She kicked English ass and played a pivotal role

in the hundred years war which resulted in their being kicked out of France.

[apocalypsehow]

20. Oh, Lord. I take a week off from GD: P and upon my return see the HRC boosters are more

delusional than ever.

"Joan of Arc."

:eyes:

[Bryan]

29. Not to mention less thorough

The acute accent in auto-da-fé goes at the end, not at the beginning. I can remember when the obnoxious Clinton supporters really cared about details...

[AtomicKitten]

21. Hillary of Arc.

[anamnua]

39. Saw this yesterday. Try to be original.

[AtomicKitten]

53. Ah, getting kinda cranky? Bitter maybe?

[susankh4]

78. This portrait is destined to become a classic!

Can you tell me where you found it? In what context?? I have been searcing for weeks. Would like to contact the artist.

[cali]

22. bwahahaha.

too good.
'
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. If she continues to support the Republicans then it's the DUCKING stool!

:evilgrin:

[ShortnFiery]

24. I've researched Joan of Arc. She's my Patron Saint. HRC is Joan of Arc's polar opposite.

The mere suggestion of such an anology is ridiculous. :eyes:

Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc
Mark Twain

http://www.amazon.com/Personal-Recollections-Joan-Twain-MobileReference/dp/B0015T6G12/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1

Twain, through a ficitional narrator takes us through the story of Joan's simple and modest upbringing to her response to God's command that she save France from the English. We follow her into battle, see her become the teenage commander-in-chief of an army, win victories, struggle with a weak French king, and finally fall victim to the leadership in Burgundy and the corruption within the church. Twain brings us through her entire trial, where we see young Joan withstand grueling questioning and physical and psychological torture for months on end. Through it all she never falls victim to traps deliberately set for her that are solely designed to prove her an idolater, sorcerer and heretic. Ultimately, we walk with her as she takes the last journey of her life, to the stake to die by fire.

This work is based on well preserved information about the experiences of Joan of Arc. Twain makes a point of telling us that "The Official Record of the Trials and Rehabilitation of Joan of Arc is the most remarkable history that exists in any language; A deeply fascinating story.............found in its entirety in the Official Trials and Rehabilitation". We therefore know that his sources are well researched and ones we ourselves can access. Twain beautifully reconstructs Joan's early life based on this information, doing her great honor throughout the novel. We realize, too, that as the story progresses, we are presented her trials in their full, true detail. Twain also tells us that Joan's story was almost one that was lost, having not been very well known for approximately four hundred years after it occurred.

[anamnua]

83. Twain/Joan

we see young Joan withstand grueling questioning and physical and psychological torture for months on end. Through it all she never falls victim to traps deliberately set for her that are solely designed to prove her an idolater, sorcerer and heretic.
Yes all this tallies. Just as the Burgundians that betrayed her tally with Bill Richardson.

[Kurovski]

26. There's a "pile" here, and it ain't wood.

You do realise that this is delusional, to say the least? I think it's called a persecution complex.

[Spider Jerusalem]

28. And Obama supporters are cultists?

Next you'll be comparing her to Mother Teresa and the Virgin Mary.

[myrna minx]

30. Um, what?

[susankh4]

31. I'll toast to that!

[Kurovski]

75. LOL!

And I love Tweety Bird.

[Mooney]

32. And Obama supporters are the "cult."

Give me a fucking break. Hillary Clinton is a mediocre politician and a coattails-riding opportunist. If her last name was anything other than "Clinton" she would never even consider pursuing higher office.

[Zhade]

33. Yes, she's delusional too.

NT!

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

34. Just so long as she "breaks free" and books it to Canada.

Then, no complaints here.

[TheCowsCameHome]

35. Oh most revered Goddess of Peace, forgive these fools.

:beer: ****Brrrrrraaaaaappppppp*

[TragedyandHope]

36. Vive Jeanne d'Arc!

[Kurovski]

76. That is really nice work.

Did you do it?

[TragedyandHope]

77. Yes I did.

Thanks for the kind words! Hillary is inspiring a lot of creativity these days. ;-)

[Dbdmjs1022]

40. Delusional? Manly? Hears voices? Going to end in a painful failure? Yep, she's Joan alright

[Starbucks Anarchist]

41. No wonder she's bitter.

[rateyes]

42. No, Hillary is Marie-Antoinette.

Her concern for the poor and blue-collar America can be summed up with:

"Let them eat cake."

[anamnua]

43. Marie Antoinette

In one instance you are right. Edmund Burke's famous descriptor, 'the swinish multitude', in relation to the masses cheering on M.A.'s execution applies pretty well to the more fanatical sections of the Obama commentariat.

[rateyes]

45. There's a reason they cheered. nt

[Binka]

72. commentariat is not a word

While you are about to finish the ninth grade I'd suggest a dictionary and a thesaurus. Also being really really condescending is not a good idea when you are an unknown to the board. We get more than you have forgotten honey. Just sayin'.

[anamnua]

82. It's a neologism. Google it when you have time.

[anamnua]

48. "Let them eat cake."

A bit off topic, but that is one of those famous quotes that was never actually made. The French historical community have actually rehabilitated her reputation somewhat in recent years.

[Thothmes]

44. There are those on this site that think that, like Joan of Arc

she should be burned at the stake.

[McCamy Taylor]

47. Nice metaphor

[Bonobo]

49. Is that you, God Warrior?

[ProSense]

50. Hillary is Elmer Fudd!

She's an expert hunter.

[ileus]

51. 50 states in 2008 if only you peeps would give her a chance. nt

[Liberal Gramma]

63. How do you figure that?

Her negatives are over 50%. Those people won't vote for her. You need more than 50% to win a two-party election. Sorry, I predict a landslide for the Republicans if she runs.

[Tesha]

84. 50 states, yes, but all for McCain. (NT)

[Zhade]

70. No thanks, we've already lived two terms under a compulsive liar.

NT!

[karynnj]

52. When I read the life of the saints as a schoolgirl, I distinctly remember that Jeanne D'arc put

her God and her country before her own well being.

HRC was never distressed by the fate of her country, but because of the fact that she might not have been called to lead it. Not to mention no one wants to harm HRC in any way. The strongest thing being asked was that she concede that she is not going to win the nomination - and most have backed of that. She is now simply being asked to avoid Rovian attacks on other Democrats - and in the last three days she has hit Obama, Kerry and Gore. She is perfectly welcome to be a Senator in good standing.

[anonymous171]

55. I thought Obama had the cult?

[Lucky 13]

56. Joan of Arc was MENTALLY ILL.

She was delusional and hearing voices...so I see your point.

[AllentownJake]

57. All I can say is

I'm in PA...I'm hoping we light the proverbial match.

[Arugula Latte]

58. "Joan of Arc" ... "Goddess of Peace"

Jesus! You people say we Obama fans are cultists?

Joan of Arc! That's rich! :rofl:

[InsultComicDog]

59. I guess that's a better role model than Joan Crawford

no...wire...hangers!!

[Unbowed]

60. You mean she hears voices that tell her to take us to war? Not good. n/t

[AllentownJake]

65. DUzy

[americanstranger]

66. Don't we have one of those already? n/t

- as

[DB1]

61. Keyboard cleanup needed, DB1 work station.

:puke: :puke:

[Swamp Rat]

62. DUzy!

:applause:

[ampad]

68. Didn't Joan of Arc hear voices?

Don't some historians believe that Joan suffered from schizophrenia? Maybe you should pick another heroin to compare Hillary to; I think Zena warrior princess is a good fit.

[Zhade]

71. Xena wasn't a compulsive liar.

NT!

[susankh4]

79. All women "hear voices"

especially at "that time of month."

You can consult the MALLEUS MALEFICARUM on this.

It's right there under "how to try a witch."

Right before the chapter on "how to burn a witch."




:sarcasm:

[DearAbby]

69. First she is the

Goddess of Peace, now she is a martyr? And you guys accused Obama supporters as being cult like??? :wow:

:::Tosses BonBons over shoulder, runs to find the marshmallows:::

[bridgit]

73. St. Joan of Arc Parish | Yountville, CA

http://www.santarosacatholic.org/parishes/joanofarc.html

[Mass]

80. Masses did not hate Joan of Arc. The English and the sold nobility did.

This is where your comparison stops.

[susankh4]

81. Of all the myths that have been heaped upon Hillary

I predict that this is the one that will stick. In the history books.

There are reams yet to write on the correlations....

This portrait says it all:



And a book could be written about all the messages in it. The look on Hillary's face is particularly telling, I think. Sort of sadly amused. Maybe even bored? As in "are you finished with your games yet, boys?"

If you know who the artist is... plz. direct me! I can't seem to find a trackback.

[krkaufman]

85. Well, I can agree with that's how she may view herself ...

... but everyone's just standing around awestruck, wondering why she's tying herself to the pole and dousing herself with oil.

[Johnny__Motown]

86. delusional.. you and her... I see why you support her

[L0oniX]

88. More like Marie Antoinette

:evilfrown: