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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:22 AM
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Why is Obama challenged to win PA, but Hillary isn't challenged to win NC???
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 09:53 AM by nomad1776
It's strange that the media and Hillary people are trying to make PA a test for Obama. To see if he can overcome a state with less than favorable demographics. They say if he can't win here, he lacks appeal. Yet there is no challenge being given to Hillary to show she can overcome poor demos, like in NC. She is being given a free pass on that.

Seems for the past couple of months, every state Obama wins is dismissed as (oh he was supposed to or expected to win that one) and it's readily forgotten. Yet every time Hillary pulls off a win (no matter how close) it's like she has accomplished something huge and impressive.

It seems to me that Obama easily wins the states that are favorable to him, wins the states that are toss ups and forces Hillary to use every dirty trick in the book, just to hold on in the States that are favorable to her. That should say something about who should be our choice for nominee.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:26 AM
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1. Every media outlet only does stories that describe nonsensical scenarios for Clinton to win
and Obama to lose. This despite the fact that Clinton CANNOT win and Obama IS winning. It's quite obvious and intentional.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:34 AM
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6. That's the bottom line .....
this is all about TV ratings. If they reported the truth they wouldn't have any buzz.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:25 AM
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17. Oh, I think it's far more sinister than mere "ratings", but I have to agree
with the OP that she's given huge advantages egged on by the media to keep this thing going. She knew after Obama's 12 straight wins that the nomination was becoming more & more elusive, I think she's staying in at this point, to make Obama unelectable. And our corporate media is giving her every assistance.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:28 AM
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19. I would agree
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:26 AM
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2. they just want a tight horse race in order to gin up ratings.
otherwise, its ludicrous to assert the clear front runner would stumble based on the next contest.

in reality, PA is clinton's stumblingblock: if she loses or fails to win by a large amount, the supers will be done with her and come out in droves for Obama. Clinton could still limp along until the convention but it will truly be Quixotic at that point.

so, its the reverse of what they say: Pa. is clinton's test, not Obama's.
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:29 AM
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3. It's all about the framing
The original frame was that Hillary is inevitable. Despite several months of evidence to the contrary, some remnants of this remain.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:31 AM
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5. It should be framed that Obama can almost run the table
while Hillary struggles to win the gimmies
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:30 AM
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4. NC doesn't count.
Why was Texas a must win state, and then not so much? Why did Hillary have to win big in PA, now she just has to win?
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:38 AM
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7. moving goalposts by the clintons...
the media are fucking stooooopid and fall for it after every single primary...the next one gets set up.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:39 AM
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8. Because Obama is expected to win NC...
Oh...never mind.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:39 AM
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9. People assume that black people aren't swing voters in the GE.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:46 AM
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10. and then the Dems wonder why turn out is so bad amoung black voters
ever think it's because people don't appreciate being taken for granted?
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:48 AM
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12. eh, they're just bitter
tee hee
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:47 AM
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11. The demographics.........
They are the same as in SC, GA, MS, etc.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:50 AM
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13. Sorta like the demographics in WV, OH, KY, and PA are similar?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 09:51 AM
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14. Because she leads PA and there is a working double standard
in this election. The funny thing will be if he pulls PA off.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:14 AM
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16. Do you think the media will spin a great victory by Hillary if
she wins be 2 or 3 percent?
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:13 AM
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15. Corollary: if Obama loses Pennsylvania by even 2 points ...
it will raise "serious" questions as to whether he can win the general election.

Corollary 2: if Obama loses PA by even two points, it will be forgotten that Hillary has held a 20-point lead there for months. It will be a "rout" for him, a huge loss. For Hillary, a two-point win will be an enormous victory.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 10:26 AM
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18. Not true, unless he pulls ahead in the polls right before
If he loses by 2 points it will be less than expected and it will probably be called a draw, maybe even a victory for him. But if he loses by 10 or more it's a big loss...they won't care that he was down by 20 a few weeks ago.
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