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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:38 AM
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Brilliant response to PA from Obama and Brilliant Support from Borger, Toobin and Cafferty on CNN
Here's the link where you can see the videos but the text of what they said is presented below.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/11/clinton-mccain-respond-to_n_96318.html

Lets be clear that this was said in response to Obama's comments on the voter mood in PA and Clintons and McCains tage team criticism of his thoughts.

Obama in his own defense:
"When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness. And what's worse is when people are expressing their anger then politicians try to say what are you angry about? This just happened - I want to make a point here today.

"I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how're you going to get votes in Pennsylvania? What's going on there? We hear that's its hard for some working class people to get behind you're campaign. I said, "Well look, they're frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they've seen jobs shipped overseas. They've seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their healthcare.

"And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we're going to make your community better. We're going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they're bitter. Of course they're frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up- they don't vote on economic issues because they don't expect anybody's going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don't believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement-- so, here's what rich. Senator Clinton says 'No, I don't think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack's being condescending.' John McCain says, 'Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he's obviously out of touch with people.'

"Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain--it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he's saying I'm out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I'm out of touch? No, I'm in touch. I know exactly what's going on. I know what's going on in Pennsylvania. I know what's going on in Indiana. I know what's going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They're angry and they're frustrated and they're bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that's why I'm running for President of the United States of America."


The Clinton camp responded by actually forwarding the words of 2 Republican pundits. Thats right Republican Pundits
Grover Norquist: 'That sentence will lose him the election... He just announced to rural America: I don't like you.' "Grover Norquist, the anti-tax activist who leads an influential weekly meeting of conservatives, went as far as to argue that Obama's line would cost Democrats the White House. 'That sentence will lose him the election,' Norquist told ABC News. 'He just announced to rural America: 'I don't like you.'"

Republican strategist Ed Rollins: Q: "On a scale of 1 to 10 how damaging is this?" Rollins: 'Ten.'


Well finally the Obama campaign responded by shooting the following video supporting his remarks and rubbishing the criticism levelled at him. Cafferty and Toobin are devastating.

BLITZER: All right, Gloria, he's already being hammered by Hillary Clinton and John McCain for that matter for supposedly being an elitist and speaking ill of the people of Pennsylvania by suggesting that the economic problems there are causing them to become bitter and buying guns and becoming xenophobic and all of that. What do you think? Is this a real issue out there?

GLORIA BORGER: Well, Hillary Clinton said today, you know, I don't see bitter people out there, I see struggling people or whatever it is, but she said the people aren't bitter. But I think the people are angry – and maybe Obama's terminology was in artful but I think he's expressing a sentiment of mad-as-hell-voters, not going to take it anymore, that we've seen throughout this election. And that's why perhaps voters are saying over and over again that they want to change. So I think Hillary Clinton is trying to make him into the elite candidate but he's talking about people being angry.

BLITZER: All right, and Hillary Clinton responded to the Obama comments this way; Jeff. Let me play her little sound bite.

HRC: It's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that's not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They're working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children. Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them.

BLITZER: All right, Jeff. What do you think?

JEFF TOOBIN: I think that is so ridiculous. I mean that is not at all what Barack Obama said. I just think this is an example of how a campaign between the two of them can be purely destructive. And not elevate either candidate. I mean, Hillary Clinton is clearly distorting what Obama said. And by the way, what Obama said is factually accurate. It's been true throughout history that people who have economic problems lash out against various others. I mean, I just think it is an embarrassing for the Clinton campaign to hang on this as if it's some sort of gaffe by Obama.

BLITZER: It's not just the Clinton campaign, Jack it's also the McCain campaign. They issued a statement saying it's a remarkable statement and extremely revealing it shows an elitism towards and condescension towards hard working Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans.

JACK CAFFERTY: Really? And this is from John McCain?

BLITZER: No, this is from Steve Schmidt a senior adviser for John McCain.

CAFFERTY: Look, Jeff's right. They call it the rust belt for a reason. The great jobs and the economic prosperity left that part of the country two or three decades ago. The people are frustrated. The people have no economic opportunity. What happens to folks like that in the Middle East, you ask? Well, take a look. They go to places like al Qaeda training camps. I mean, there's nothing new here. And what Barack Obama was suggesting is not that the people of Pennsylvania are to blame for any of it. It's that the jerks in Washington, D.C., as represented by the ten years of the Bushes and the Clintons and the McCains who have lied to and misled these people for all of this time while they shipped the jobs over seas and signed phony trade deals like NAFTA are to blame for the deteriorating economic conditions among America's middle class. I mean, I'm a college dropout and I can read the damn thing and figure it out.

BORGER: You know, in this case the Hillary Clinton campaign and the John McCain campaign have the same goal and that is to portray Obama as this sort of (inaudible) elitist who doesn't understand the real working class people or independent voters. And so they're both on the same side on this one and it's obvious why.

BLITZER: Go ahead, Jeff.

TOOBIN: I just think it's remarkable that Barack Obama, this guy who grew up in a single-family household with no money, who lived in Indonesia, who came from very modest upbringings, somehow he's the elitist? That's really a pretty extraordinary sort of contortion of his background. I mean.

BORGER: It's that Harvard, Yale thing.

CAFFERTY: He did not make $109 million in the last eight year did he?

BORGER: Right.


Well folks here it is. Now you can decide for yourself if this was brilliant or not.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:40 AM
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1. The media delivered a pro-Obama spin? That's surprising. We haven't seen that before (eom)
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:42 AM
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3. Yes I think Cafferty and Toobin were finally ticked off at HRC and McC's hypocrisy.
They are just mad and amazed that such a fundamental truth can be denied by the 2 ivory tower candidates.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:48 AM
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5. If you are not angry...If you are not bitter
YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION

Hillary like Bush, like McCain = OUT OF TOUCH with what is really happening in this country
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:46 AM
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14. yeah, i am shocked.....
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:41 AM
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2. Wolf didn't seem to happy with what Toobin and Cafferty were saying
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:44 AM
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4. Yes, true..didnt stop them though this time. You can feel their anger at all this nonsense.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:06 AM
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6. What the Obama haters seem to miss... willfully or not....


Is that he was talking about why so many vote on single issues or reject politics and the process totally. He did not attack anybody or condescend... he explained clearly and rationally why a lot of people have grown cynical and frustrated with government.

And one big reason why people have grown so cynical and resentful was then displayed by the 20th century candidates, mcsame and hill, and Obama was ready to use their weak attacks as a springboard for what he does best.

We're now going to spend the next week with Hillary telling rural america that they should feel insulted that obama says they are angry about her support for nafta, and her being on the board of wal*mart, and her vote for the bankruptcy bill, and bill's 800,000 speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:07 AM
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8. TLM, you're the first person I've seen get this
I haven't read every thread, so my apologies to anybody else who made the same observation, but you're absolutely right. The thing he was speaking to was why do some rural voters vote based on one or two issues only (religion, 2nd ammendment, immigration, etc). He was answering the "What's the Matter With Kansas" question (oh shit, now I offended Kansans), and his answer was that government isn't giving them much else to believe in.

Granted, maybe he should have chosen his words more carefully, knowing that Hillary and McCain (funny how often they're on the same side these days) would grasp at any phrasing they could possibly spin as negative. Of course, that's got to be wearying.

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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:32 AM
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11. Absolutely correct.. The false outrage is just farcical!!!
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:38 AM
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7. Ooooo Cafferty nailed it ......
CAFFERTY: Look, Jeff's right. They call it the rust belt for a reason. The great jobs and the economic prosperity left that part of the country two or three decades ago. The people are frustrated. The people have no economic opportunity. What happens to folks like that in the Middle East, you ask? Well, take a look. They go to places like al Qaeda training camps. I mean, there's nothing new here. And what Barack Obama was suggesting is not that the people of Pennsylvania are to blame for any of it. It's that the jerks in Washington, D.C., as represented by the ten years of the Bushes and the Clintons and the McCains who have lied to and misled these people for all of this time while they shipped the jobs over seas and signed phony trade deals like NAFTA are to blame for the deteriorating economic conditions among America's middle class. I mean, I'm a college dropout and I can read the damn thing and figure it out.








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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:44 AM
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9. For those people
who are outraged that Obama noted people's rightful frustration, I thought it was pretty well accepted that in the 2004 election people voted based on issues such as gay marriage etc. and didn't vote based on their own economic interests. I lived in the southern part of the US in 2004 and all you heard about was opposition to gay marriage. Once the election was over, people didn;t talk about it as much. I don't know what is wrong with acknowledging what is true. Why can't people be angry and frustrated? I am from Western PA (but no longer live there) and it has never recovered from the job losses from the early 80s. Why can't people expect a little more? What is so bad about being angry and frustrated that a place that used to be a good place for living wage jobs that helped put families ahead can do this no longer? Even working class people want their kids to be able to move up, to have more opportunities etc. This used to be a real possibility for working class people in places like PA.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:27 AM
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10. I've always liked Cafferty's style.
He doesn't mince words & his disgust is genuine.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:37 AM
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12. Jack Cafferty nails it
One of the few people on TV who say it like it is.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:52 AM
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19. Yes he does.. The anger against this made-up outrage looks genuine.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:45 AM
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13. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be the case on MSNBC. This morning
they brought in Patrick Racist Buchanan to comment and I had to turn the sound to mute, but he was spewing.

They ran the original horrible video comment but did not run the most excellent response in Obama's speech from yesterday.

This is a very prime example of how MSNBC, in particular, controls and makes the news. Yesterday, Bill Clinton's Stealing Cars Comment was ran once, early in the morning, and never played or commented on again. It was as if it didn't happen.. didn't exist.

Now, Obama has come out with a full-throated response to his critics (Hillary and the RW and McCain) and it is not being played. Rather, they are running with the original audio over and over.

See a pattern? After two weeks of ignoring MSM, I am once again turning it off for peace of mind. It makes me.. let's see.. BITTER !

:hi:
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:48 AM
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15. Yes the morning edition of MSNBC is so biased it makes me puke..BUT!!!
the evening edition makes up for it when KO and Tweety come on and even the score out. It is also proven that many more people tune in for the evening TV than the morning. So its cool... I hope!!!
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:59 AM
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17. Pat was on vaca from MSNBC last week, it was nice
Pat Buchanan, who thinks that African Americans should get down on their knees and thank their lucky stars, because "no one has helped black people more than the United States of America." Pat Buchanan is interesting sometimes, but he puts EVERYTHING in historical context, and a lot of the points that he tries to make aren't even relevant nowadays. Pat loved it when the Rev Wright situation came up, because he was DESPERATE to have a better talking point to turn him into The Black Candidate. He had been trying it for weeks prior to the Rev Wright scandal.

Remember when Anderson Cooper was talking about the "typical white person" comments, and David Gergen said "Anderson, I have to tell after listening to all this and what he further said, I sort of think YOU OUGHT TO GET A GRIP ON REALITY HERE." And then Anderson Cooper tried to save face and said to Roland Martin ""It's interesting, you know Roland, that these are not the kinds of conversation that television or radio programs... in this heightened atmosphere does very well. It's a difficult conversation to have and it's a very nuanced conversation to have in a political environment which is all about sound bytes and people yelling on television." and Roland Martin said "But we don't have to do what they do. We can call for something different." Good times.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:24 AM
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18. Roland Martin has tried to look at both sides of a story rather than just spew the hate like Pat
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:58 AM
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16. "I'm a college dropout, and I could read the damn thing and figure it out."
:rofl:
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:06 PM
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22. yea, that was a great line.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:54 AM
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20. Video Here At DU Also:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:06 PM
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21. Grover fucking Norquist.....Ed fucking Rollins.....
Mellon fucking Scaiffe......Rupert fucking Murdoch

Is Hillary a NeoCon Republican?

She sure seems comfortable with the slime of the Earth.

Check out the people she chooses to pray with at the secret Senate Prayer Group.

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