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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:26 PM
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Clinton Expresses Frustration with the Democratic Party
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 04:26 PM by sabra

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/clinton...

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., vented frustration that the Democratic Party has failure to come to a resolution about how to handle the convention delegations in Florida and Michigan.

"I really dont understand why the Republican Party very clearly decided what they were going to do, and the Democratic Party cant decide," Clinton said going further than she has in the past in her critique.

Senator Clinton then turned on her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., saying "he doesnt want the votes to count. Senator Obama has been very very clear - do not count those votes or come up with some kind of resolution which disenfranchises people."

An exasperated Senator Clinton burst into a fit of laughter, after being asked twice about the Colombia trade deal and a possible conflict of interest with her differing opinions she has with her husband. When asked if there was a conflict of interest specifically with her husband receiving $800,000 for speaking engagements ostensibly in support of the trade deal and Clinton giving her own money to her own campaign, Clinton burst out laughing. "And how many angels dance on the head of a pin. I have really, nothing to, I mean how do you answer that. I am against the Colombia free trade deal. It doesnt matter who talks to me. It doesnt matter any circumstances Ive been against it I am against it I will be against it."

...

Clinton was asked if she agreed with Elton John, that misogyny had played a role in this campaign. Clinton said "look you cant ignore that gender and race are embodied in our two candidacies. We are who we are. And that produces reactions of all kinds from people but at the end of the day people have to decide who they think will be the best president."

Clinton made her comments at an airport in Pittsburgh, PA.


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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:27 PM
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1. She should ask Harold Ickes
he works for her and voted to strip the delegates in the first place. He must have some insight.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:28 PM
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2. Her heroine, Maggie Thatcher, NEVER (not ever!) played the Perpetual Victim Card.
With the Clintons, it's almost an knee-jerk tactic when they're behind. :eyes:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:24 AM
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48. Neither did Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, Benazir Bhutto, but there is one woman that reminds me of Hil
Evita Peron!
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:35 AM
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52. shes
kookoo for cocoa puffs


oh yeah......shes lying again too
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:29 PM
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3. Obama hates you. he dosent want your vote to count. Doncha know?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:30 PM
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4. That is a GOP trick...
"I really dont understand why the Republican Party very clearly decided what they were going to do, and the Democratic Party cant decide," Clinton said going further than she has in the past in her critique.


Why is she pretending that the Democratic party cannot decide when they clearly did? Why is she using GOP tactics?

FUD is pure GOP.

She needs to stop before she turns into Joe Leiberman.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:31 PM
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6. Why is she using GOP tactics?
Great question....
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:35 PM
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11. "She needs to stop before she turns into Joe Leiberman."
Too late. :shrug:
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:59 PM
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29. She's Bush Jr now. Rove would be so proud of her. n/t
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:00 PM
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37. Too late.
It's starting to look that way.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:46 PM
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23. She needs to stop before she turns into Joe Leiberman.
"I love you. If Bill ever leaves......."


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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:25 PM
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32. LOL!
:spray:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:24 AM
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49. I think there's a reason that both of them are on Sibel's "Dirty Dozen" list!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:30 PM
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5. she's her own worst enemy
and she also is a lof of the reason she gets bad press.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:33 PM
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7. Way to praise the pukes, Hill!
Join if you have such admiration.

jeez.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:38 PM
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15. and bash Obama
she wants Obama to lose Michigan if he is the nominee and to be uncompetetive in Florida.

Never mind that if she dropped out and we had a nominee that Michigan and Florida would not be divisive issues. Never mind that both Florida and Michigan could have avoided this by not moving their primaries ahead of Feb. 5th. Never mind that Hillary herself made everybody anxious to be early because she and the media promoted the idea that it would be over by Feb. 5th.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:33 PM
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8. Another vast RW conspiracy?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:34 PM
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9. Was she banging pots and pans while saying this?
If not, it may be why it didn't go over so well.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:34 PM
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10. OMG
:nopity:

But this is what gets me:

An exasperated Senator Clinton burst into a fit of laughter, after being asked twice about the Colombia trade deal and a possible conflict of interest with her differing opinions she has with her husband. When asked if there was a conflict of interest specifically with her husband receiving $800,000 for speaking engagements ostensibly in support of the trade deal and Clinton giving her own money to her own campaign, Clinton burst out laughing. "And how many angels dance on the head of a pin. I have really, nothing to, I mean how do you answer that. I am against the Colombia free trade deal. It doesnt matter who talks to me. It doesnt matter any circumstances Ive been against it I am against it I will be against it."


Fit of laughter = OUTRIGHT LYING.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:40 PM
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17. Hillary pretends to understand the difference between words and actions ...
... and then proceeds to demostrate that her words ARE at odds with her actions.

She aptly models someone who cannot seem to heed Paul Wellstone's advice to "never separate the lives you live from the words you speak."

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:30 AM
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51. If my grandmother had wheels, Hillary would be the nominee already n/t
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:38 AM
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53. heres a lie just on a husband wife level
"It doesnt matter who talks to me. It doesnt matter any circumstances "
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:36 PM
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12. Always praising the Republicans, huh? Old habits die hard. -eom
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:37 PM
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13. Hillary should just join the Republican Party
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:37 PM
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14. she has become bat-shit crazy
and power-hungry
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:39 PM
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16. They decided a long time ago--NOT to seat the delegates
Now that Hillary needs every vote she can claw up she is acting like the decision is up in the air. It's not. She signed off on this months ago.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:42 PM
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19. Thanks. That didn't sound right to me, either. wow.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:06 AM
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44. No, its much worse, she acting like its Obama's fault that the decision isn't being made.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:40 PM
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18. Hillary! You're not helping yourself.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:42 PM
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20. she's a fucking liar...Obama has never implied any such thing.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:49 PM
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25. Hillary lies?
Knock me over with a feather. I had no idea!

:sarcasm:
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:44 PM
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21. She's a victim and will never be a champion.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:44 PM
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22. Check her out laughing here too at Mike Gravels concerns about Iran .....
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:47 PM
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24. Well, it's time for the Democratic Party to return the favor.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:50 PM
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26. Burst into laughter-that nervous laugh again, Hill? That's bad news.
And what doesn't she understand? She signed the pledge; to play dumb at this late date is...dumb.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:53 PM
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27. WTF is wrong with her... and to think i admired her fighting spirit!!!
This is another mis-characterization of obamas position. And doesn't she get it that everyone can see through her annoying habit of cackling loudly when asked a question she doesn't wanna answer- guess not.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:31 PM
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57. she seems to think that our party is her private sandbox. too bad.
she needs to remember how to be one or leave. this is not the way a strong woman acts. whine. whine. whine.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:56 PM
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28. promoting McCain was bad enough, now she is promoting his party too???
I can just the next GE 527 ad being created here. Hope her supporters see this!!
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:01 PM
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30. Hillary turns on anyone or anything that doens't do what she wants...
...We saw it with African-Americans who voted for Obama, and with states that voted for Obama. She has insulted Obama supporters, clearly one of her most short-sighted vindictive snits of her career.

Since the Democratic Party won't automatically change rules to fit whatever mother-may-I-scenario du juor she wants to use to make her failing campaign the winner, she, of course, is turning on the Democratic Party now.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:06 PM
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31. Why would Bill Clinton take $800,000 if he didn't think he could change Hillary's mind .....
either he is a swindler or she is a Liar.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:08 AM
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45. OR??? I say "AND"
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:31 PM
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33. & her supporters wonder why everyone wants her to be gracious and concede
I notice no "Ignored"s anywhere in this thread--I guess they're busy watching Fux news to get some kind of talking point to respond to this.

oh, and Hill, the Democratic Party DID decide months ago "what to do," but you just don't like the decision that you yourself signed off on.

Getting to be in the Katherine Harris category. Crazier than a shithouse rat.
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chill factor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:54 AM
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55. I have been on the ABC News blog posting under this same article.....
When I started - a few hours ago - there were many angry Hillary supporters throwing lies out all over the place. However, the Obama bloggers posted sane blogs supported with facts. One by one the Clinton hate-mongers fell off the site and the rest of us had an intelligent debate on the issues - even the Clinton bloggers who could blog intelligently. It was really stimulating.The Clinton supporters seemed to be getting the message that it is over.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:37 PM
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34. What, are her plans for the coronation ruined?
When she is finally out of this race, I will be a very happy camper.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:36 PM
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41. Yes sir
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:41 AM
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54. most clueless person on earth
sigh


"take the shoes from off your feet for the land you walk on is sacred ground"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:39 PM
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35. I am getting totally disgusted with her.
She is acting like a Republican now. Dissing her own party because she is not getting her way.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:57 PM
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36. WOW, so she doesn't know the difference between the republicons Rules and the Democrat RULES
:shrug:

Let me explain this to you Hillary. Republicons winner takes ALL. Democrats candidates are awarded delegates. The Democratic Party is a complicated process.

You would think she would know this by now, since that is how her husband won. I'm not so sure about her ready to lead on day one.

Her being disingenuous about MI and FL, leads me to believe she is also disingenuous about her hubby's Columbia Free Trade ties.

Running the country is even more complicated than the Democratic Party RULES.

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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:23 PM
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38. OK, been looking for a place to jump into this fray...so here goes..and I'd like feedback please
This whole primary season has left me with a surreal sort of feeling..As though I see what goes on, but I am outside of it, because it's been making NO sense to me, there is no logic to it...and I have been driving myself nuts trying to figure out what the hell is going on....so today on another venue, where people have been discussing the primaries, and what we think.....a person made a comment that just smacked me in the face like a glass of ice water...I am going to state a couple things, and I want to know, if I am perceiving wrong...or if I am right...
Obama is DNC...could we consider that he is the DNC candidate?
Hillary is DLC is that correct...so she is the DLC candidate, right?

Now Hillary says that the DNC is responsible for the mess in Fla. and Mich., as pertains to the delegates, right?

They both say they are staying in the race until the convention...no matter what happens...

Is it possible that the whole thing going on, is a power play/grab attempt between the DNC/DLC? That the DLC wing of the Democratic party is attempting to take over control of the party?

What the person said, was something to the effect that she was afraid this was going to be dragged to the convention, and in spite of numbers, that HRC would be, at convention, named the nominee, in spite of numbers...and that his delegates would then leave the convention w/o endorsing her...and that would be the end of the Democratic party...does that sound possible to any of you??

I don't have a horse in this race...I don't care for either of them...but I wonder who is in the background forcing what issues? who is manipulating these primaries and what is talked about? How about these candidates talk about the issues??? instead of each other??? Where is Karl Rove, and what is he up too??? Why am I reading that McCain has drawn even with them both...??? what??? WHY is that?? How could that happen???

I have talked to other people who say the same thing I do...we have 3 candidates total, yet have no one to vote for..I can tell you, that lots of people are feeling that way...so where does that leave us?

IF the DLC wing of this party wins the nomination...does that then mean that we have a one party system, more or less?? (wasn't HC a Republican at one time, and don't people call the DLC the right wing of the Dem party?) Can they(Rove and whomever else is involved) cause enough in fighting, bring up enough shit on our candidates iow, to cause us to lose?? Is that possible???

I don't even want to get into my thoughts on McCain...other than, he's a plant...they can't stand him, and I don't think a McCain presidency is really what they want...so I would be watching very carefully to see who they choose for his VP...That's really the one we have to worry about...please someone help me out here...I want to know what the rest of you think..am I wrong...??? please don't flame, because there is NO intent on my part to cause problems...I am just trying to understand what the hell is going on...because things just aren't sitting square for me...and when that person said, she thought it was going to be a war between the two parts of this party, maybe even to the point of destroying the party itself...it shook me up, because the whole thing finally seemed to make sense......wb

ps: also apologize...not trying to steal the thread...but seemed to be a good place to ask..

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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:30 PM
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39. WE SHOULD BEAT HER ASS FOR PLAYING POLITICS WITH MI AND FL !!
SICKENING ! SLICK HILLY IS SICKENING ! This LIAR agreed to the DNC rules WHOLEHEARTEDLY ! It is absolutely documented fact. SHE IS A LIAR ! I am beginning to think that all she knows how to do is LIE ! How can anyone stomach it and actually vote for this LIAR !! She herself is on TAPE saying that it didn't matter if she was on the MI ballot because it wouldn't count.
Now, Obama has said repeatedly that MI and FL SHOULD be seated in a fair way, AND they will be ! But again, SLICK HILLY wants to LIE, re-write history ala Snipergate, and change the rules to score political points. SICKENING ! GO AWAY SLICK HILLY !!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:31 PM
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40. BTW, "Beat her Ass" means AT THE BALLOT BOX. (NOT LITERALLY)
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:39 PM
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42. The DNC already came to a solution...
Hillary just doesn't like it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 09:44 PM
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43. Wow. Dissing the Democratic Party. That's going to go over well with the superdelegates.
:eyes:

I'm seriously starting to think she might just pull a Lieberman after all.

And does she seriously think the GOP isn't going to jump all over this Colombia/Bill's dirty money thing? They would have a field day with this.
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:16 AM
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46. I'd suggest another headline ...
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 01:17 AM by NewHampshireDem
Clinton *distances* herself from the Democratic Party.

Sorry, but I have a sick, sick feeling.

On Edit: And, by god, I will be overjoyed if my feeling is wrong.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:18 AM
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47. The cackle is back! Hillary cackles when she wants to avoid answering a question.
Perhaps Hillary will consider running under the GOP banner next time.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:28 AM
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50. The Democratic Party has been expressing its frustration with Clinton
for some time now.
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:16 AM
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56. Does the whining never stop :( She should move to the Repugs.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:34 PM
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58. as well she should.
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