Quit Calling For Hillary to Drop.

[tekisui]

It cannot be denied that she has very loyal, vocal and strong supporters. Give her supporters a chance to vote for her in each and every state. If Hillary were forced out, it would piss off a lot of people who want the chance to vote for her.

There is nothing to be afraid of, we've come this far, and Obama has only gotten stronger. Have some confidence in your candidate!

Don't worry about Grampy McDubya, his day will come. He'll still be scratching his head wondering how in the world he can take on Obama in October. As for now, he can't focus his attacks on the two.

Hillary has plenty of support remaining to take it through all of the Primaries. She is not going to catch Obama in PD's, so settle down. She hasn't damaged him thus far, she won't between now and June.

As Hillary Supporters are likely to tell you, if Obama can't handle what Hillary is handing him, he wouldn't be able to handle the pukes.

It goes both ways. If Hillary can't overcome Obama, she can't overcome the pukes.

Sit back and buckle up for a race to June 3rd. After that, it's up to the SD's to make their intentions clear, and I expect they will long before the Convention.

[Sequoia]

1. I agree, she should keep on keepin' on.

Even though I'm for Obama, she shouldn't have to throw in the towel. I like her as a person and ole Billy Boy too, but time marches on.

[bahrbearian]

61. How about "Keep on Truckin"

I agree McDubya is toast. Buy her staying in , it will pull us all more to the Left.

[SoonerPride]

2. They won't ever concede. That's the problem.

She should quit while she still has a chance of salvaging her name.

[Hepburn]

6. That is the problem as I see it, too.

This will NOT end with the primaries....and what it looks like she intends to do at the convention is going to hurt all of us and make a McCain presidency much more possible.

[tekisui]

9. The SD's will end it after the Primaries.

[SoonerPride]

17. But the Hillary people will NEVER quit whining about it.

They'll take this to court.

Watch.

[tekisui]

20. I hope very much you are wrong.

I don't think she has that much support.

[Ilithiad]

53. Whining

I am a hillary supporter and if she loses I will shut my trap and vote for the democratic party in November. Enough said.

[JoFerret]

3. Haven't these people heard of HOPE

?

[Life Long Dem]

4. Stay in Hillary. Stay in!

:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

54. Kind of like the ex-girlfriend showing up at the wedding

still hoping he won't really marry the "new girl"..

Hope springs eternal..in a stalker-esque way :)

[Hepburn]

58. Yep....exactly! n/t

[truebrit71]

5. No thanks. McCain is now tied with the Dems.

Fuck you very much Hillary...

[tekisui]

10. We have a long way to go.....

[ronnykmarshall]

16. Yes and comments like that above are a big part of the problem.

[Hepburn]

27. You read my mind....

...that stat I lay squarely at the feet of HiLIARy.

:grr:

[BigDDem]

40. "Fuck you very much Hillary..."

The "new politics" of "HOPE!" and "CHANGE!"

[truebrit71]

47. I "hope" that "changes" when she is finally out of the race...

...and out of our national dialogue...

Then she can go back to riding her husband's coat-tails and carpet-bagging for NY...

[Beacool]

50. Oh goodie, another Kool-Aid drinker cursing Hillary.

It'll be soooo interesting to see how this plays out in November without droves of Hillary supporters voting for the party's nominee.

You're doing a great job of "uniting" the party.

:applause:

[truebrit71]

55. As it will be if you don't stand behind the party's nominee either...

..but that slip of logic missed you somehow right?

[truebrit71]

56. Dupe

..Hmmm...that was weird...

[rodeodance]

7. even Obama seems to be OK with taking it to the convention. Lets hope is not just rhetoric

[Zueda]

8. Whether she drops out or not...

her supporters can still vote for her. It Won't stop the remaining states primaries.


If she drops sooner than later would be good in that the money I am giving to Obama can be used to fight against McCain instead of Hillary.

[tekisui]

14. The money is the one point that bothers me.

Especially how it hurts our down tickets from raising their funds.

[democrattotheend]

31. I talked to someone from America Votes about this

And she complained that the presidential candidates are sucking all the money and it's hurting their fundraising. But I agree that calls for Hillary to drop out are counterproductive.

[Bake]

43. Do I need your permission to contribute to Hillary?

I won't give a dime to Obama, regardless.

Bake

[Hepburn]

44. If you are interested in contributing.....

...how about putting a gold star by your name?

[tekisui]

45. Oh, of course not.

I am not at all worried about Obama's money. But, the DNC is broke. The RNC is loaded, and it is due to Dem money going to this Primary. The DNC will replenish, but I hope in time.

[elocs]

11. Free speech is a bugger though...

you can ask people to behave a certain way or say certain things, but you cannot demand that people do what you want them to do without coming across as being preachy. People will do and say what they will whether one agrees with it or not.

[tekisui]

15. You are right.

I should have said, "Calling for Hillary to Drop Gets Us Nowhere"

[elocs]

28. Ahh, now there you have it. n/t

[doublethink]

30. Except in post #14 up there ..... you say ......

"The money is the one point that bothers me.

Especially how it hurts our down tickets from raising their funds."

A bit contradictory .... IMHO. If some want to keep asking for Senator Hillary Clinton to drop out well then they have their reasons and you have yours. Thank's for the O.P. though ... needs to be continually discussed. Peace.

One other point ....
"People who claim they would vote for John McCain over either of the two remaining Democratic candidates are either not progressive or not thinking straight. If you post this, you are basically daring the mods to give you a tombstone."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5447295

Again IMHO ..... I believe some say the above statement out of pure anger in the moment .... others ...... not so sure? But IMHO ... those that really won't vote for McCain in the general NEED TIME to get over the primaries ..... and back up our candidate. The less time they have to get-over-it ... IMHO ... the less likely we can build some kind of momentum on McSame. IMHO ... Peace. :)

[flor de jasmim]

12. The people can still vote for her after she drops out.

[DJ13]

13. If her continued participation costs our party the Presidency is it worth it?

Just wondering why Clinton gets a pass that none of our other candidates got from either the general Democratic voting base or the MSM.

I think her name has taken her about as far as she deserves based on her lousy campaign, but thats just me.

[tekisui]

19. I don't see that happening.

Obama is a strong candidate and will come out of this stronger.

[ima_sinnic]

18. who cares if people are pissed cause they couldn't vote for her? I didn't get to vote for Kucinich

--but guess what? I "got over it."

The reason I want her to concede, as anyone who can do math and cares about the Democratic Party would do, is that every day she is in is another day that the Dems are fighting among themselves instead of unitedly fighting McCain. Look how much energy is being spent by some to criticize Obama in a misguided attempt to boost Hillary--when it is already too late to boost her anywhere. There is no way she is suddenly going to miraculously turn her slow motion train wreck into a winning campaign.

I got a mass e-mail the other day from some delusional Hillary supporter ragging on Obama--so what does he want me to do, vote for McCain? The time for criticizing the Dem candidate is past.

[tekisui]

22. The smears do need to stop.

[mohc]

21. The calls for Clinton to drop out from Obama supporters only encourage her to stay in.

Clinton's best chance at winning the nomination is not by overtaking Obama in the delegate count, as his lead is large enough that it would be very unlikely to happen. Instead Clinton is relying on the chance that, for whatever reason, Obama will appear to be to weak to beat McCain and superdelegates will flock to her. The underly implication of the calls for Clinton to drop out is that by staying in it damages Obama and reduces his ability to beat McCain, which is exactly what Clinton's campaign needs to happen. I think that Clinton honestly thinks that she has a far better chance of beating McCain than Obama does, so she does not see staying in as possibly weakening the party, but strengthening it by potentially giving her the nomination over Obama. So long as Obama supporters call on Clinton to drop out, they are implicitly admitting that her staying in has the potential to bring down the Obama campaign and give her the nomination, in fact encouraging her to remain in the contest. The only honest calls for her to drop out would have to come from people more interested in Clinton preserving her stature and not those that support Obama.

[Orsino]

23. I'm not a quitter!

But seriously, calls on DU for her concession won't "force" her to do anything. If she can't handle that, then...you get the idea. It goes both ways, after all.

[LSparkle]

24. No. I will keep calling for her to drop out.

[tekisui]

25. .

:thumbsup:

[Symarip]

26. Actually, I don't think it's a bad thing

Frustrating some days? Sure. But I've never called for her to drop out. Some people love her because she's good at what she does. And some of the people that love her suck at life, which is no reflection of her. I may take issue with some of the things she's done and said but politics are far from pretty. I don't have to like the person I'm voting for.

Take the following into consideration, and for anyone who reads this, it's is just my perspective. If neither candidate can beat the other one I don't want either of them. Divorcing myself from feelings (seems some people have a hard time doing this) if the game is played fairly and one beats the other, that's my candidate. Period. And let's face it, the pressure is on both of them and they're both performers. And by the way, I don't have to like them. I don't really care for either of them compared to some people. Hell, I don't even have to respect them. I don't have to do anything but vote for them and encourage others to do the same. That's it. Oh, and since I used the word 'fair' don't bother me with, 'omfg but fla and mi shuold count 2'. I'm talking about a fair game, the way it's played and the way they knew it to be played before they started going at it.

Speaking of performances, look at all the free press we get out of this. By the time candidate X starts going after McCain, unshackled, the general electorate will know exactly who that person is. Will instinctively associate that candidate with this primary and you have instant name recognition. Is it always positive? No. But I'll tell you something, it's better to be known negatively than to not be known at all. Both favor our candidates.

So there you have it. Fuck em. We can speculate about who's going to do what when you vote them into office but that's just you telling yourself that you're making the right decision. No one really knows. You take a crap shoot every 4 years and hope that you're making the right decision. If she can afford to stay in, stay in. If not, see ya. It really shouldn't be as personal as it is.

[tekisui]

32. I like your perspective.

Taken a bit further. We really only "know" this public persona presented to us. It is a crapshoot. And, IMO, I trust either of them over McDubya. They will be working with a strong Democratic Majority in the House and Senate. The details will be worked out there.

[bowens43]

29. It's not possible for her to get the nomination.

Her only reason to stay in is to try to ensure that McCain beats Obama so that she can have a shot in 2012. She is intentionally sabotaging our party.

[tekisui]

33. I don't believe that, I can't believe that.

If I honestly thought that her intentions were for McDubya to take the Presidency, I'd leave the Party. She has said that her supporters should vote Obama should he be the Nominee, and I accept that.

[DemGa]

34. Obama won't be stronger after his upcoming string of losses

--a perceptual shift could easily be in order: Hillary wins the states needed for the GE. BO? Not so much.

As it stands, Obama cannot close the deal. Yes, we shall see.

[tekisui]

35. There will be no string of losses for Obama.

You say Obama can't close the deal. Hillary can't make the deal. Winning Primary states does not equal winning General states, and you know it.

They are two separate contests. Obama has played the Primary like a Primary, and is winning, handily. he will play the General like a General and win it as well.

[Hepburn]

46. Primary states and GE states are like comparing....

...apples and oranges. This is a really silly argument.

[totodeinhere]

51. After his upcoming string of losses? That is very wishful thinking on your part.

The only one who has had a string of losses in this campaign is Clinton. And I see no reason why that dynamic should change. Look for Obama to hold his own in the upcoming contests and win his share of them.

[Catherine Vincent]

36. I agree. SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!

:)

[endarkenment]

37. Senator Clinton, please withdraw. nt.

[hfojvt]

38. but it has hurt Obama

right now polls are showing McCain beating both Obama and Clinton. Maybe that's a good thing though, if the RWNM gets lulled into a false sense of security until after the convention. I still worry though about Michigan and a fractured convention ala 1980.

[tekisui]

39. I don't think it will go to the Convention. The SD's will close it down before then.

And those polls are WAAAAAY early for the GE.

We know that Obama knows how to close gaps.

[damntexdem]

41. I again call for Hillary to drop out.

But she won't -- she puts personal ambition ahead of the good of the Party and the nation.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

42. She's staying in for a hundred years.

:*

[Moderate-Democrate]

48. Hill has to keep going

You know I agree with you and it is good for our party to keep this going. Obama knows the longer this goes on, the less likely he will win the backing of the party. That is my opinion.

[AllexxisF1]

49. I have a gut feeling this will be over soon.

I honestly believe that Obama will actually win Pennsylvania by a very slim margin which will be the death nell for Hillary. I have no problem with her staying in the race if she behaved like a Democrat. What got many of us Obama supporters up in arms is the way she has run her campaign. She is literally hurting the part and our chances every single day. If she wants to stay in and burn more money she does not have than please go right ahead, but cut out the bullshit sleazy tactics will ya.

[Texas Hill Country]

52. absolutely true... everyone needs to stop whining.

[uponit7771]

57. Dem registration is doubling in states they run in after Ohio and Texas

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

65. What worries me about that, is that they could be Repugs

gaming the system since they already have a candidate. No way to know for sure if its happening.

I don't like open primaries. Why do states allow them ?

[backscatter712]

59. Why bother calling for Hillary to drop?

Her campaign's already dead. It's been dead for weeks now. All you're seeing is reflex actions coming from the corpse. Her chances of an honest victory are infinitesimal, and the superdelegates aren't buying her scheme to override the will of the voters.

It's already been decided.

[Bensthename]

60. To help the GOP keep it going..

So in other words. We need to rap this up quick.

[crankychatter]

62. Statistical Fact: Dem infighting is helping McCain

Clinton should drop out

she won't but she should and the calls will not stop

From USA Election Polls today:

"4/11/08

At this point in time, all the in-fighting among Democrats is doing is making John McCain more and more electable.

McCain is now up by 123 electoral votes against Obama.

* Barack Obama - 203
* John McCain - 326

and up 66 electoral votes against Clinton.

* Hillary Clinton - 236
* John McCain - 302

The results are cross posted on our sister site: PresidentElectionPolls.com.

Here is the latest national poll between Obama and Clinton.
Democratic Candidate Ipsos
Pollster AP
Date 4/7-9
Barack Obama 46%
Hillary Clinton 43%
Other(vol.) 8%
Details Link"

[question everything]

63. Or, whoever calls her to drop should identify himself of whether he has already

voted.

I think that it is very selfish for one to, in the first time in so many election cycles, be able to choose, and then tell the voters of PA, IN and other that they don't matter. That they should be presented with a "done deal."

[cbayer]

64. Very nicely said, tekisui.

I particularly like this point in regard to McCain:
"As for now, he can't focus his attacks on the two."

There is some advantage to be had in continuing this. While the two democratic candidates have very similar platforms, both of which differ significantly from McCain's, the democratic party can campaign against him now.

In addition, McCain's strategy will need to focus on demographic voting blocs, which are very different for Clinton and Obama. Without a definite nominee, he doesn't know which demographic to target.