hillaryclintonforum.net hacked?

[redstate_democrat]

I decided to cruise on over and see what the nutballs had to say tonight, but upon entering the second intro page, it said that the site had been hacked and is now being investigated.

Who did that to those poor folks over at hillaryclintonforum.net?


:cry:

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

1. The same people who did it to Lieberman, no doubt!

I call for an FBI investigation!

[redstate_democrat]

5. Hell

lets get the CIA involved!

[me b zola]

145. Send in Mr Wilson!

...but tell him to please not squeeze the charmin. :D

[CoffeeCat]

34. Oy vey!

I was just going to say that.

Here we go...let's play the "wounded duck" syndrome, call for an investigation like Lieberman--and
attempt to demonize your opponent.

Please tell me that this won't happen. Let's just hope it's a technical SNAFU that will come and go.

If I see Evan Bayh doing all of the morning shows, calling for an FBI investigation--then I will no
longer have faith in the human race.

This stuff is so trite...Rovian plots are oh-so yesterday.

[AllentownJake]

108. Its a minor site only for the crazy of crazies

This is where the people who will end up writing her name in go to hang out on the web. Not her main one.

[Kittycat]

64. ROFL - that's the first thing that popped in to my mind.

[Catherina]

90. Looks like a job for Bama Girl!

They must a let that kitchen sink overflow trying to soak the crud off all those dirty pots and pans :rofl: Maybe Obama Girl can help them unplug the pipes between the database and their forum? All those dirty pots and pans to wash before Saturday, tsk, tsk.

"I remember the first time Sen. Obama said 'You know, Cheney and Rumsfeld had a lot of experience.' And that has great superficial appeal. But let me make the argument in another context.

"That's like saying, because 100 percent of the malpractice cases, medical malpractice, are committed by doctors, the next time I need surgery, I'll get a chef or plumber to do it."

Clinton paused dramatically to let the words sink in.

"I mean, the logical extension of that is inherently absurd," was the president's cherry-on-the-top-of-the-sundae finish.

http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/by_frank_james_when_former.html

[Symarip]

2. Those Bosnian snipers will stop at nothing!!!!

Quick! To the Hillicopter!!!!

[redstate_democrat]

9. lol

:rofl:

[PatGund]

3. Obviously......

Their server was hit by Bosnian Sniper Fire

[redstate_democrat]

14. Great. Now I have to clean off my monitor.

:rofl:

[Hawkeye-X]

4. they have a protest in april 11th? For what?

[Barack_America]

11. They're protesting the Today Show in Rockefeller Center...

With pots and pans to highlight the anti-Hillary bias in the MSM.

I shit you not.

[AllentownJake]

16. High Five

I thought I was the only one talking about Pot and Pan fun day.

[redstate_democrat]

18. What the hell are the pots and pans for?

Ass backwards, I tell ya.

[Barack_America]

21. Noise.

They will be heard, damn it!!

[redstate_democrat]

33. lol

Will this be live? I mean, will the morning shows broadcast this stupidity? This should be the nail in Hillary's proverbial coffin. Down with NBC the MSM who won't report that Hillary is winning "all of the states that matter" by a slim margin*(*^#*(#*!!! How dare they!!!

[AllentownJake]

62. When I worked for Arthur Andersen

When we were going down. They organized a protest on the art museum steps in Philly. People wore bright orange T-shirts with their families and ran up the steps to try to prevent the govt from indicting the firm and killing it. This is what this reminds me of.

[CoffeeCat]

50. Oh yeah...a bunch of pot bangers

...banging pots and pans, pouting about poor Hillary's media coverage.

That'll be a real PR coup for her!

LOL!

She'll look like a weak victim, with a bunch of nimrods as supporters.

Geez.

This event must have been organized by the same people who brought us this
Hillary video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FvyGydc8no

[Barack_America]

61. Well....(VIDEO)

One of the members of Hillaryis44 did 'fess up to making this gem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxtN0u23Tdc

[CoffeeCat]

No way!

Get out!

Do they regret making that video?

[Barack_America]

85. Didn't seem to. It was getting high praise over there.

They loved it.

[Lucky 13]

154. Dear LORD. What is WRONG with these people?

We need to do an intervention or something.

[AllentownJake]

86. The creativity deficit

Between the campaigns is the size of the Grand Canyon....

[redstate_democrat]

94. I seriously just pissed my pants watching that video.

My god.

[Name removed]

114. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[redstate_democrat]

118. It was sad.

You could actually hear the desperation. It was just tragic. A tragedy in every single way.

[Binka]

123. The Lack Of Talent, The Lack Of Ingenuity, The Lack Of Lack

I played it three times because I was laughing too hard to appreciate it. Total Dreck. FAIL.

[redstate_democrat]

134. I decided to transcribe the lyrics. he he he

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 2008
Wisconsin, Ohio, Texas and on to Pennsylvania
She's gonna do itttttt
Give her just a chance she'll make it
any glass ceiling, she'll break ittttt
she's gonna be ourrrr presssiiideennttt

Hillary Clinton

Nothing's gonna turn her back now
Straight ahead and on the track now
With plans to make our dreams come true

Hillary Clinton

There is nothing she can't do
Never heard the word impossible
This time there's no time for chance
She's gonna do it!
On your mark, get set, and vote now
Got a dream and got the know how
With plans to make our dreams come true

Working for us all day, yes, all day
MAKE ALL OUR DREAMS COME TRUE
Working for us all day, yes, all day
Make all our dreeeeeaaammms come true
For me and you


:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

They apparently believe Hillary will make all their dreams come true.

[Name removed]

139. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[me b zola]

156. They are all members of the polygamist cult from Texas?

:shrug:

[Hugabear]

174. And these people have the gall to mock Obama's speeches?

:rofl:

[Hepburn]

183. Wow...sick, really sick...

...and very juvenile...to say the least!

[quakerboy]

129. Damn Gore. Just damn him

If he hadn't made the internets, I never would have had to hear that.

[Barack_America]

135. .

:rofl:

[bobbert]

131. Wow, all of those great comments

I left one, but it was deleted, and now text comments have been disabled :(

[Catherina]

140. GOOD LORD! Not just women's issues but the music scene will be set back 40 years!

:rofl:

Good Lord no.

I hope no one overseas ever sees that video. I'll die.

[Lucky 13]

153. These videos border on Human Rights violations.

Forcing anyone to watch that falls safely within the definition of torture.

[K Gardner]

164. OMG, Kristi, how could you?! You posted it without a WARNING...ewww !

[SwampG8r]

186. i got 1 post left for today

anyone wanna guess what its gonna be?

[Texasgal]

189. OMG...

NO WORDS. Really.

[AllentownJake]

89. Wow

I was suddenly transported back to 1996 watching that video.

[CoffeeCat]

93. You got a better time-travel trip than I did...

...I was catapulted back to a 1988 "Up With People" concert in Akron, Ohio.

[redstate_democrat]

103. She honestly has the corniest videos on earth!

If her videos were jeans, they would be the mom jeans you used to be able to get from Woolworth.

:rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

104. If her videos were a hairstyle...

...they would be a flipped up bob (Like Eunice Burns from "What's Up Doc?".

:rofl:

[tishaLA]

158. "There are people named Eunice?"

"Don't you know the meaning of propriety?"

[AllentownJake]

105. Dear God

Can you imagine a GE campaign against her and McCain....I would have to stop watching TV because the commercials would kill me in their craptacularness.

[redstate_democrat]

117. Yes

With McCain's misspellings in his ad (how the hell do you misspell the name of the candidate?) and the black and white footage of some random war in the background with him gazing into the unknown...

compared to her faux and disconnected "down to earthness" thanking everyone for talking with her through the tee-vee

I don't think we can do it. I honestly don't think America would be able to survive the massive toolery of the campaigns. We must fight this with all we have.

[Barack_America]

122. It would be a duel between ridiculous "3 AM" ads...

*shudder*

Speaking of, have you seen this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8JOhsBq1iI

[Lucky 13]

155. Dueling ads created by the elderly and ill-informed.

[shellgame26]

141. OMG

I just saw that video. You're kidding me right? Is that for real?..fucking hilarious!

[Lucky 13]

152. That was HORRENDOUS.

I am speechless.

[Hawkeye-X]

20. I don't watch Today Show..

so no big loss for me..

[Barack_America]

24. You might want to tune in on Friday...

This could get interesting. ;)

[Hawkeye-X]

39. I just might....

it depends if I have to go see the client on Friday morning, which I doubt....

[AllentownJake]

54. Don't worry

We'll have Youtube highlights posted here as soon as they become available.

[milkyway]

55. Maybe Matt Lauer launched a preemptive strike?

[NEDem]

59. Funny thing is that you know it's going to look like

one of the Freeper protests where 8 people show up and they all stand around looking at each other asking "What now?"

[AllentownJake]

63. No

I really believe she's going to get at least 500 people to show up...the question is how long NBC security allows them to bang their pans before NYC finest moves in.

[NEDem]

72. I really doubt that.

I hope they do get turnout, and I hope it gets massive airplay, the more the better.

As far as I'm concerned they won't be doing their candidate any favors by acting like this.

[WolverineDG]

171. Only if they're also guarding a porta pottie nt

[Capn Sunshine]

82. NO.Way.

That is beyond Hillarious.

[redstate_democrat]

88. Can we protest the protest with mops and brooms and trash can lids?

And do a little number from RENT?

[AllentownJake]

91. Awesome

Though we better not...

I went there last night because I really can't believe they are doing this and they are having delusions that Obama supporters will be attacking them and chasing them in the streets.

[redstate_democrat]

107. Oh, darn!

Maybe next time.

[Barack_America]

98. In the end, you know the scene will end up like West Side Story.

[redstate_democrat]

106. Why do you guys have me literally HOWLING right now!

This is too funny.

[Catherina]

95. Pots and Pans

:rofl:

That shit just cracks me up. What kind of a LOON had that idea?

I hope they do it. Can you imagine that picture in history books? A bunch of women screaming like banshees and banging pots and pans in the 21st century?

[AllentownJake]

99. They got the idea

Over a protest in S. America opposing a Military dictatorship's actions....I shit you not. They are comparing the Primary battle to the fight against a military dictatorship.

[Catherina]

126. They're comparing themselves to Oaxaca?

Someone should tell them the slums of Oaxaca are covered with pro-Obama graffiti and that a bunch of well-fed Americans banging on their LeCreusets isn't going to have quite the same effect.

....

Obama has created a buzz in the country's blogosphere and among the chattering classes, who see him as the embodiment of the American dream.

But despite the public accolades, Obama's candidacy has also opened a window onto Mexico's own uneasy race relations and mainstream society's treatment of the poverty-stricken and largely ignored Afro-Mexican community.

...

Reyes said Obama's candidacy is seen as a beacon of hope within the Afro-Mexican community of Oaxaca, which experiences some of the nation's highest rates of migration to the United States.

Many black Mexicans believe an Obama presidency could shed some light on — and help improve — the situation of Afro-Mexicans. An estimated 500,000 Afro-Mexicans, less than 1 percent of the country's population, live mainly in isolated communities along Mexico's coasts.

"We see in Obama the crystallization of a dream," Reyes said.

...

http://www.coxwashington.com/hp/content/reporters/stories/2008/01/31/MEXICO_OBAMA31_COX.html

I think this is an idea we need to encourage. Can you imagine what a field day the progressive media will have bringing up Oaxaca and the mockery that protest is when the Clintons support the regime they're fighting.

CLINTON'S "INTERFERENCE" IN MEXICO
*From Wounded Knee to Chiapas*
by Darrin Wood, Director NAP-Europa
December 28, 1997

According to the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations, US President Bill
Clinton has just "interfered in Mexican internal affairs" by demanding an
exhaustive investigation into the massacre which recently occurred in
Chenalho, in the Mexican state of Chiapas.
Since Clinton wants an investigation and the government of Ernesto Zedillo
doesn't want anyone on the outside looking into how Mexico murders it's
Indians, we at Nuevo Amanecer Press - Europa have come up with a handy
solution for both of them. Why doesn't someone order an investigation into
US Military "interference" in Mexico ?

...

The protests concerning the massacre in Chenalho by US president Bill
Clinton are also hard to swallow given that it is the US which is supplying
all the weapons and training for the bloody counterinsurgency campaign
currently being waged by the Mexican Army in Chiapas, as well as other
states.

...

http://old.thing.net/wwwboard1/messages/605.html

...

The US
government wants NAFTA and so does the Mexican government, both want
control over the border (not necessarily a stop to the flow of illegals,
just control) and both claim they are against drug traffic (which both
governments participate in, examples, Raul Salinas de G. and Ollie
North), and both have had to shift from Cold War to Drug War as a
pretense to achieve what they really want, the elimination of cultural
groups whose economic practices impede a bad form of capitalism

http://old.thing.net/wwwboard1/messages/606.html

What's the opposite of the Midas touch? Whatever it is, HRC's supporters got it.

[AllentownJake]

130. I wish

Their site was up because I have the link saved. I think it was Argentina but I could be wrong and it was over collective farming that they took to the streets with the pans.

[Catherina]

138. Argentina works too.

"Eva Peron, hardly a democrat, and not the smartest economist on the planet..." http://mexfiles.wordpress.com/category/americas-outside-us-and-mexico/argentina/eva-peron/

:rofl:

[redstate_democrat]

110. I wonder if they can get a soul train line going?

Maybe do the electric slide? The Macarana? Somebody will get a beat going and then it's all over for the Clintonites! Step in the name of Hillary! I'll show up just to see that!

[Catherina]

128. Yes let's!! Let's help with the music

:evilgrin:

If we bring curtains maybe these guys can perform

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zbnQIeDhx4

Sounds like a great protest song to me. Imagine pots and pans beating to that. A few batons twirling and the picture will be complete :rofl:

[mythyc]

119. do you think they're aware of the anti-feminist irony

of using pots and pans? ;)

.

Hi Catherina, how've you been?

[AllentownJake]

120. No

These people are very scary...any talk of us being a cult goes out the window when dealing with anyone who post on this site.

[Catherina]

132. Pots and pans is a double strike

but the irony is too funny. I really think this is something we should encourage :evilgrin:

Great :hi: Well except that my plans for Saturday are gonna go down the tubes if they don't get that website up so the protest can go on. How have you been?

[Windy]

193. And they complaint about misogynists? geez!!

Not smart!!!

[greyl]

6. "It is also possibly a database problem with the host server." nt

[SunsetDreams]

7. hmm maybe some things that were being said

alerted some higher authorities

but it could just be an error beyond control.

[Yael]

"Higher authorities" don't hack a website

I just looked. Site is up -- database is down.

This isn't a host or higher authority issue. This is a problem with the software (or more likely) database related.

[SunsetDreams]

35. lol yael...

I'm just playing along in the mystery here...no worries.

[Yael]

40. Sorry for the tone

I take stuff like that rather seriously. I am in IT and messing with people's data is no joke to me -- whether I agree with them or not.

:hug:

[SunsetDreams]

66. no problem :)

I understand, and I should have added a sarcasm or something.

:hug:

[napoleon_in_rags]

8. Shitty. Obviously somebody who wants to shut down dialogue. nt

[olkaz]

179. Or, far more obvious, the guy running the site is not technically savvy.

I'm going to go with Occam on this one.

[AtomicKitten]

10. Reminds me of the FBI and Joementum withholding proof that Lamont had not hacked

into Joementum's computer as Joe had alleged a day or two before the primary election.

Stand by. The bullshit apparently never ends.

[napoleon_in_rags]

17. The timing on that is creepy.

I certainly don't believe that somebody in the Clinton campaign decided to hack their own site the DAY it came out as national news that Lieberman did it to himself.

[AtomicKitten]

30. Isn't it?

It's almost like they are getting ideas on the fly from the MSM on their tee-vee. That would be unbelievable had they not committed a series of dumbass moves already. Oy.

[napoleon_in_rags]

69. OR someone else is getting ideas.

About how they would look bad if they claimed they were hacked, even if they really were. Regardless, the Streisand effect will apply, and if they are saying dumb things people will look and leave them alone.

[AtomicKitten]

78. whatever ... yawn ... Clinton Drama is exhausting :)

[Catherina]

97. Can you imagine 4 more years of Clintonian drama

Ugh.

:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

102. Oh, gawd, don't make me imagine it.

Oh, too late. Ugh.

:hi:

[Catherina]

113. At least I won't be alone in those horrible thoughts

:hi:

[mythyc]

121. whatever you do, don't picture the color orange right now

nt

[Catherina]

147. Now I won't get that color out of my head!

:rofl:

:hi:

[mythyc]

157. makes one forget visions of 4 more years though eh ;-)

awww crap, there i've gone and put the gristle back on the plate

:hi:

[AllentownJake]

31. Its not her national site

Its a supporter site where they talk to each other and organize protest with pots and pans.

[Yael]

32. Look, I am hardly a fan

But as someone who has been to their site the last few days watching the "protest" plans progress, I can say this -- they are adamant about not bing associated with the official campaign.

Lets not start rumors.

I will also say that if someone messed with their site, that is wrong. They have every right to host their opinions.

[AtomicKitten]

48. It's a conversation about the weird timing, that's all.

The problem with her playing the VICTIM card so frequently is that every time somebody screeches people wonder if they're crying wolf, again. It's a natural evolution of thought that speaks more to the fact that the Clinton campaign has long jumped the shark and is now relying on gimmicks and complaining about being put upon. It is what it is.

:shrug:

[Yael]

67. I really think that the Clinton Campaign wants to distance from this "protest"

[AllentownJake]

71. They can try

I know people in the Obama campaign...they would proactively try to stop it. PM if you want to know how I know.

[Yael]

75. His campaign staff is adamant about keeping positive

[AllentownJake]

100. Exactly

[Catherina]

101. With any brains they will. Their supporters are destroying them

I'm more than happy to encourage such stupid ideas and donate a few pots and pans to this historical effort however.

[Zachstar]

12. There are nutjobs all over the net.

No doubt DU has been hacked a few times as well.

However most hacks happen because of quick setups with little attention paid to the security part. Today you can't run a forum without checking it every day for spam and hacks.

I hope they try a different forum software. Simple Machines Forums are good as well as PhpBB in my view.

[AllentownJake]

13. My guess

Is it was the Hillary campaign to stop them from taking to the streets with their pots and pans and embarassing the hell out of her before the PA primary.

[SunsetDreams]

25. you know what?

I think you may have a point there. That is highly possible, this protest will be embarassing for her, and will throw a horrible spotlight on her campaign when she doesn't need it right now.

After what happened today, the last thing she needs is her own supporters protesting in the streets. It will turn off voters she desperately needs.

[Yael]

37. "after what happened today"

Wut I miss?

[SunsetDreams]

68. the protest in

SF today...granted different reasons, but I don't think the U.S. can handle another protest so soon.

[Yael]

77. This 'protest' is not going to make news outside of the DUers

who capture it on their phone-cams.

They want to think it will, but it is a mere blip on the radar and fading fast.

[SunsetDreams]

96. shhhh...

I was trying to give them hope.

[Catherina]

111. Another huge protest of monumental international importance you mean?

:rofl:

:hi:

[redstate_democrat]

41. Imagine Obama's supporters

standing outside of the Faux studios banging away on pots and pans about Faux's bias towards him? They would have a field day with it.

[AllentownJake]

47. The difference is

The Obama campaign if they caught wind of it would do everything in their power to stop it. Hillary is encouraging this behavior.

[Catherina]

109. Darn. Someone please go help them get it back up.

I was looking forward to Saturday's show :evilgrin:

[BlueIdaho]

15. Maybe they forgot to pay their bills.

Just like Mama.

[redstate_democrat]

26. Wouldn't it be hillaryous if her campaign was behind the site

and the site host came out and demanded payment from her campaign? Hill-larious.

[Catherina]

150. Wasn't that what happened to Lieberman? n/t

[Yael]

19. Look, I don't care who you (collective 'you') are or what you think of them

(and I have myself reposted things from there) that is totally out of bounds.

I hope that if this is intentional and not a forum glitch, they find the jackass and prosecute.

[AllentownJake]

27. Relax

They just went out today with 1000s of flyers advertising their site in NY and pot and pan fun day. I think it was the volume of new users that probably shut it down and nothing nefarious.

[Yael]

53. Actually, last night there were dB error messages

I started the thread about pots and spoons, but it was over 3 hours before I could access the site to get the actual quote that I had seen earlier in the day -- Database error messages were coming up.

Likely just corruption (vBulletin runs on MySQL and that dB needs to be optimized routinely).

It is likely nothing, but if someone DID mess with their site, that is just beyond wrong, IMO.

[AllentownJake]

57. I think

They are generating a lot of traffic with this event and its killing the small capacity they have. If they normally have 100 people on and it suddenly jumps to 1000 and they are running it off a 9.95 a month website...it probably would crash right?

[Yael]

73. Likely, yes

Not vBulletin's fault as their code is OOP and optimized to the hilt -- it is the nature of any .php based forum software.

One day, I would like to talk with Elad about what it takes in hardware to keep this one up. I know of one vB forum that required 9 servers to keep operational.

[redstate_democrat]

51. Chill out

No one gives a damn about hillaryclintonforum.net enough to hack it. They probably have shitty software or whatever. It's funny, though. They AUTOMATICALLY blamed someone else for their shitty site's breakdown...sort of like the Queen Bee herself.

[thewiseguy]

22. Damn those mysogynist hackers!

[AllentownJake]

23. Actually

Its a really small site. Not that many people on it at a time if you look at who is in forums. When I was researching pot and pan fun day I noticed that. I also noticed that they were handing out flyers about pot and pan fun day at the Elton John concert. My guess is a bunch of people went there after the concert from the flyers to check out pot and pan fun day and shut their servers down because they weren't equipped to handle more a lot of people.

[Barack_America]

29. Lol! You're probably right.

Too funny.

This is shaping up beautifully. I want this to get more attention, so they actually get on television. It's going to be like an episode of COPS.

[AllentownJake]

38. I just want it on all the PA news stations

That white male demographic will go down by 5-10 pts over night. The scene of a large group of angry middle age women with pots and pans banging away and Hillary signs will not be good for that demographic.

[Barack_America]

46. And hopefully...

...running away from police.

Oh the glorious mental images this is providing me. Serious belly laughs going on here.

tee hee

[AllentownJake]

52. I hope they still

Have the riot control horses...seeing them being chased throughout Manhattan with police on horse back....I would have it on file for whenever I had a bad day to cheer me up.

[redstate_democrat]

56. Stop it you're killing me!

:rofl:

[Yael]

58. "pot and pan fun day"

*snicker*

*Ahem*

Back to topic. <insert stern look>

[anonymous171]

28. lol Probably some disgruntled Ron Paul supporters.

[Hugabear]

36. Good news, their little protest is still on. Here's the message from the site

<snip>
The forum is currently not accessible and none of the 4,800 threads can be opened. It seems this forum has been attacked or hacked by unknown entities! We know there are people/groups who don't like us. It is also possibly a database problem with the host server. Either way, the truth will be known over the next day or two as the problem is currently being invesigated by the host server company. Hopefully the system will be restored soon.

In the meantime, the protest on April 11 will still be going ahead (I distributed flyers with Freethinker tonight before the EJ concert) and you can read the info at the link above or via the video below. My email is accessible ([email protected]) and I still have the email addresses of all 1300 members so I can let people know when we have been rescued!!! And the private message system is still fully operational. Hang in there - we will be back as big as ever very soon!!!
<snip>

[AllentownJake]

42. Thank God

I've been looking forward to this for since Yael posted about it the other day. If I wasn't taking so much time off for the election I would go up there with a Lawn Chair, My Obama T-shirt, a bucket of beer and a bowl of popcorn and just enjoy the show.

[Yael]

80. I am still weighing the option

:evilgrin:

[Hawkeye-X]

44. Hmm. 1300 emails..

That'll put even *MORE* strain on the server and might even get blackholed http://www.robtex.com/rbl/ http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDNSBL&ei=aIv9R_vLDIm-iAHal_x8&usg=AFQjCNHMIKjC7a5HGB7FYm7RHMsL1x4IXA&sig2=P6zq_2FdUwoj1fo8bRNOaA

[blogslut]

43. Probably a malfunction

...located between the monitor and the chair.

[Yael]

83. PEBSAK

The old id-10T error. Problem Exists Between Seat And Keyboard.

[blogslut]

84. That's what I'm thinking

:hi:

[Jersey Devil]

45. It's easy to exceed bandwidth on a $9.95 per month site

Jesus, one time when I had a forum on a shared server with less than 200 members it went down all the time until, of course, I upgraded to the more expensive options.

[Taxmyth]

49. nutballs, eh

And you want us to vote for Obama? Not a good way to go about making peace. Must be a GOP Plant.

[redstate_democrat]

65. Wha wha wha

I'm not gonna kiss your ass to get you to vote in your own best interest. Kiss off in the name of Hope and Change. Maybe some other Obama supporter will bow and kiss the "rang" but I will not.

[Taxmyth]

127. so you have no problem with a President McCain then you must be a GOP Plant

Because with that attitude and those words that's exactly what you will have. You have no clue what my own best interests are or those of the majority of Americans. These are Democratic Primaries, hardly indicative of the "real world" vote. You must be a GOP Plant since you are trying your hardest to alienate potential Democratic voters.

[AllentownJake]

133. The pot and pan banging crowd

Is not going to vote for Obama...they will do a write in vote for Hillary. This site is the site for the craziest of her supporters. The ones that worship her. We have no chance of winning these people over. No matter what we do.

[redstate_democrat]

142. So basically we're supposed to allow Hillary's supporters

to drag Obama through the mud, defame him, call us Obamabots, blatantly LIE, say they will vote for McCain before the DEMOCRAT, prolong this fiasco another day because Hillary just can't let go and let live, and take all of that and then beg and plead for you to pretty, pretty please vote for the Democrat because you're a Democrat and any Democrat is better than McCain? And your best interest could never be served by any Repug. If you believe something else, then nothing we can say can help you.

This is what it boils down to: Hillary's supporters have had their egos hurt. They're bent all out of shape about it and they're not gonna take it anymore. And the only way things can get back right in their warped minds is if Obama himself comes and kisses the "rang". The next best thing is to get some random, anonymous Obama supporter on the web to kiss the rang. If not, they will threaten you by saying they will vote for McCain. They are stupid and I don't give a damn if that hurts some feelings. Anyone who threatens to vote for John McCain deserves all of the ridicule in the world. And, by encouraging this thing to go on, by trying to bring down our presumptive nominee with smears and lies, you are doing just that. You are actively trying to get McCain elected. If the TRUTH alienates you, then grow thicker skin.

[AllentownJake]

159. and

They are makig plans to ban pots and pans to disrupt the Today show....forgot to add that...well said.

[Taxmyth]

163. Profiling

Not me that needs the thicker skin, just re-read your first paragraph. You've assigned me with characteristics that I do not possess because of your "profile" of a Senator Clinton supporter. What it boils down to is there are close to 100 million voters going to make a decision in November. All 3 candidates are viable alternatives to be President to most of the Nation - GD:P is not indicative of the national thought. Each has their faults, each has their strengths. You are adding to a particular candidate's faults with posts like this and doing nothing to strengthen that candidates appeal across the nation.

[Hugabear]

60. What I want to know is - what voter suppression are they talking about?

You know, I can almost see their point about media bias. There has been some anti-Hillary coverage on TV over the past few months (a lot of that from FAUX News and Glenn Beck). But there has also been some anti-Obama coverage as well, so it's not like it's completely one-sided. However, I'll grant them at least that much.

But what is this about voter suppression? I haven't heard any charges of this.

[SunsetDreams]

74. they are talking about the ones

that didn't vote for her. They think we were all forced to vote for Obama, I guess.

[Barack_America]

79. The suppression of people who voted for Hillary....

By the majority of people who didn't.

[AllentownJake]

81. Actually

I just think they want an excuse to go out into the streets with their kitchen ware. I think some people must have missed New Years this year.

[SunsetDreams]

87. meanwhile...

I prefer a fork to a spoon.

[mythyc]

161. I think they're referring to Michigan and Florida

though show any Hillary nut job HRC's own statement after the MI/FL date-change debacles promising to "honor the DNC nominating calendar"--let alone her own media comments on Michigan not counting, the *actual* (as opposed to denied) content of the pledge all the candidates signed, interviews galore she gave to these effects such as the ones K Garnder keeps us so well informed about-- and all you'll ever get is crickets. refusal to engage logic and the truth are clear symptoms of the narcissism of entitlement of the figurehead reflected in these acolytes. sad really, all the denial....

[Hugabear]

173. Not only that...

There was not ONE SINGLE PEEP out of the Hillary campaign prior to the Michigan/Florida primaries about making sure their votes counted, or about even seating them at the convention. NOT ONE.

[mythyc]

185. yet she was poised to go public the MOMENT FL voted

literally, even with TV spots lined up. abhorrent....

[zulchzulu]

70. It is/was an insecure Frontpage web site. My dog could hack the site

Not only was the site ugly, it left gaping holes in the forms to do all matter of javascript and ActiveX injection.

Don't ask....

[blogslut]

76. My guess

The webmaster forgot to enter a field or left a tag hanging open.

If the site was hacked, it would be completely inaccessible from the main index page.

If I recall correctly, VBulletin software has about a thousand fields to fill out. Add cut-and-paste CSS code and well, let's just say I'll never run a bulletin board. They're a pain in the ass.

Of course, if the webmaster had done a backup...

[Catherina]

112. They probably brought it down inserting one of the add-ons n/t

[blogslut]

115. Something like that

Hacked is hacked. Hacked means the operator no longer has access.

This isn't a hack. It's a fuck up.

[Catherina]

146. Just looking on the source code on the front page is a riot.

When you see a code that says

<!-- text below generated by server. PLEASE REMOVE --><!-- Counter/Statistics data collection code -->

what would most people do? I hope they don't have people's credit card information or anything else personal on that site.

[blogslut]

148. I may not know much

But I know to stay the hell away from code I don't understand. :)

[OzarkDem]

166. You seem to know a lot about it

Pretty sad if Obama supporters resort to this kind of thing. A new low in Democratic Party primary politics.

The obsession with their rally should also be a cause for concern.

[AllentownJake]

170. It's not a Rally

A rally is a positive thing...vote for my guy because. Its meant to be uplifting.

This is a protest...we are being mistreated. Its meant to show concern over a percieved wrong. I emphazise percieved.

Pot and Pan Fun Day is a protest there is nothing up lifiting or positive about it.

[zulchzulu]

180. Like I said, my dog could hack a junior-league Frontpage web site

Have you ever heard of javascript injection in a form? 6-year olds know about it.

[KansasVoter]

92. I Just read it was Fox Security that hacked the site!

[Barack_America]

116. They have a manifesto -and- GOOD NEWS! The protest is coming to LA...

So West Coasters, you won't be left out!

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/9/13856/89666

THE WE'RE MAD AS HELL PROTEST AGAINST GE/MSNBC HEADS TO LA!! JOIN US!!!!

There will be a protest this Friday morning at Rockefeller Center in New York against the anti Clinton bias and accepted sexism of much of the coverage and commentary that is aired by NBC and MSNBC.

This diary is meant to give a short history and background to how GE/NBC/MSNBC have worked against Democratic Party interests for over a decade and to announce that we will be presenting another protest/picket in Los Angeles and would like to recruit people to be involved.

Let's review the basic data about the big political stars of NBC News--Tim Russert (Meet the Press), Brian Williams (Nightly News) and Chris Matthews (cable ranting). They're much more like a fraternal order than like something you'd call a "press corps.

The three were hired or anointed under the regime of conservative mogul Jack Welch; as chairman of General Electric, Welch was in charge of NBC News, and was heavily involved in its operation. Welch recruited the three, and made them multimillionaires; he even let Russert and Matthews live with him amid the swells of Nantucket. And oh yes: The three have been kicking the sh*t out of Dem White House hopefuls from that day right up to this.

As you may have noticed over the years, many liberal leaders, writers and pundits refuse to discuss these striking facts about GE/NBC/MSNBC's role in destroying Al Gore and a decade of trashing both Clintons. Welch's role in this matter ought to be chastening. Democrats and voters around the Country ought to be told about these matters; it would help them form their ideas (and reservations and concerns) about the people who hand them their "news."

Your "press corps" is full of trivial people, and trivial people love trivia. They don't give a sh*t about how health care works. Hullo... they already have it! Instead, they like to tell stories about people's character. There's an older word for this trait. They're gossips.

Clinton has been trashed by Chris Matthews in astonishing ways. Russert and Williams are very bad--but Matthews is a true maniac. His gender disturbance has been on display for years. Few "liberal" have found the heart to complain--or even to notice what's happening. But then, our liberal leaders have long ignored Matthews' woman-trashing, going all the way back to the late 1990s. This is A-OK with our tribe. Absent the unusual person, our tribe doesn't even notice.

Hardball has long since entered full propaganda mode, trashing Clinton at every turn and begging its viewers to see the greatness of the alternate, Obama. Of course, this is precisely what he did in 1999, when he tried to keep Gore from the Dem nomination, before going on to trash him savagely all through the general campaign. You might be surprised to recall a fact: We've sat through this movie before.

But in his current crackpot displays, Matthews shows us what occurs when a middle-class democracy is run by a multimillionaire press corps.

Some say its dumb for tracking Chris Matthews and MSNBC so much, since he and it has a fairly small audience. But the viewing audience isn't the point; the point of Hardball is the access it gives us to the mind-set of a large chunk of the insider press corps. Chris may (or may not) affect many voters, but he does affect insider journalists; on his show, you get to see their various narratives as they take their shape. It's the closest you'll come to being invited to those fatuous cocktail parties--the parties where this cohort's group dynamic produces the hopeless, gong-show narratives that drive our electoral process. Over the past dozen years, Chris has been exceptionally harmful to Big Major Dems, in large part because of the way he influences the younger journos who rank below him in the insider pecking order.

In this journalistic cohort, narratives filter down from the top; people like Matthews and Russert assert them, and the lower orders agree to repeat them. Chris lies at the very heart of a large chunk of the insider press corps. If no voters ever watched his show, it would still be must-see bad TV.

In the modern world, mainstream journalistic careers go through NBC. They go through Hardball--and of course, Meet the Press. When you see the endless liberal silence about the work of Russert/Williams/Matthews, does it never occur to you that you ought to be furious with the conduct--the morals--of your "leaders?"

Brian Williams is the guy who spent two weeks in the fall of 1999 complaining, crying and belly-aching about Gore's troubling polo shirts and what they said about the VP's "insincerity". Williams also spent that summer and fall pandering to Bush, in ways which were comically awful. We also know he's the guy who staged that horrendous first Democratic debate this year; And then when we recall the way he worked with Russert in the two debate muggings of Candidate Clinton-- events unlike any other debates in American history. (No, this doesn't always happen. Nothing like it ever happened before.) Sorry, but when Howard Kurtz reports that Williams is Bush's favorite anchor, we're not especially surprised.

Have there ever been debates like these before? A debate where the moderators so plainly intended to spend the evening trashing the character of one of the candidates? Challenged for his treatment of Hillary in the debates, Russert expressed this Great Escape media dodge ... "You get it from the left and the right," he said, "and I think that kind of confirms you're doing a pretty good job." It's truly a measure of our times--that a journalist paid $ millions per year can respond to this in so empty a way, in a manner that shows so little attempt at anything like real reflection. But lets look at....Russert's prior conduct toward Clinton:

During Campaign 2000, Russert took a great deal of criticism for his inappropriate conduct in a debate--again toward Hillary Clinton!

What was said in September 2000 about Russerts hosting of her NY Senate debate?
In the Daily News, columnist Mark Sommer said that Russert had taken "an astonishingly cheap shot" against Clinton.
In the Washington Post, Richard Cohen said this of Russert's behavior: "Not since the old Saturday night fights has TV seen such a low blow."
In an unsigned editorial, the Columbia Journalism Review said this: "Russert pitched a question to Hillary Clinton that was breath-takingly out of bounds."
Indeed, Cohen went further with his complaints, writing this: "Hillary Clinton's chief problem, her own strategists will tell you, is her inability to tell New Yorkers why she is running. After her debate with Rick Lazio last week she should no longer have that predicament. She's running to get away from Tim Russert and all he represents." Yikes!
Sommer noted that Russert's sex-obsessed questions "certainly wasn't out of character" for the Buffalo blather king. "After all, during the media's coverage of the Lewinsky scandal ...'Meet the Press' continually wallowed in the sex scandal.
In a black mark for network news programming, Russert's show was the first to heap respectability upon notorious Internet smut sleuth Matt Drudge by having him on as a guest."

Over the course of the past fifteen years, your interests have been shipped down the river as the plutocrat press corps' major fixers have trashed a succession of Major Dems.

DIGBY'S TAKE: Democrats have to learn how to explain these matters to average voters. In our view, here's the simplest form of the story:

WHAT HAPPENS: Quite often, they hand you novels about the candidates in place of real journalism. Over the course of the past twenty years, these novels have strongly tended to disparage the character of Major Dems.

Gore is the obvious example. Today, he holds the Nobel Peace Prize. Eight years ago, they invented tales about him for two years-while hyping the now-discredited Bush. This is a simple, and important, story. Liberals have refused to tell it.

By the way: The mainstream press corps did this to Gore, now they are doing it to Hillary. Why do high profile liberals stay quiet and away from this tale? It's funny--odd---coincidental--when those same leaders often turn up as guests on MSNBC itself...

To their credit, conservatives fought back against the press corps, starting in the 1960s.

We are babies in this fight. Outside of Media Matters, the Daily Howler, Digby and a very few others, there are few brave enough to speak out in public for the outrage that many millions of Democrats around the Country feel about the hijacking of our Party's dialog once again by the bad actors of GE/NBC/MSNBC.

BUT, so far because of efforts by Democrats who just refuse to take it anymore...:

1) Chris Matthews was forced to apologize: In January, one of NBC's biggest political players was forced to apologize for insulting comments--about Hillary Clinton!

2) David Shuster was forced to apologize, then suspended: A few weeks later, one of NBC's political reporters was forced to apologize, then was suspended, for insulting comments--about Hillary Clinton!

But the patterns of bad behavior of GE/Universal/NBC/MSNBC News departments persist.

The protest that will be taking place this Friday morning outside of the windows of NBC's Today program will be taken to other cities and other NBC offices and affiliates.

We are looking for people to join us in these efforts.

Next we will be putting together a protest outside of NBC/Universal in Los Angeles. We would like to also present another picket and protest in Washington DC and one outside the HQ of MSNBC partner Microsoft in Seattle, Wa.

If you live in any of those three cities please write us at [email protected].

Do me a favor and let me know if any of you make it through this drivel.


P.S. Considering this is a blog post, is it all right if I post so much of it? If not, I'll gladly edit.

[AllentownJake]

124. Good God

These people are batshit crazy. That is what I've gotten out of it. I hope we don't end up like the Rethugs...blaming the media everytime we lose.

Do they even know about the SNL skits and how Pro-Hillary they have been? What the hell channel do they think that is on.

[Yael]

125. Heya Kristi -- it looks like we are packing our pots

and spoons and heading to SoCal.

See you at the airport! :hi:

[SunsetDreams]

137. how embarrassing

for them and for Hillary.

They complain and action is taken by the station. But still they are not happy and want to protest?

Furthermore, that blog or whatever you posted, wasn't specific about the complaints at all.

[K Gardner]

165. They sound like a bunch of wacko nut cases.. not surprised no one takes them, or their candidate or

their cause, seriously.

I'll donate some pots and pans !

[OzarkDem]

167. Hope they have adequate police protection

The obsession of some Obama supporters with their site and activities is a cause for some concern. How sad that some Democrats have turned into political predators, ala the GOP.

[AllentownJake]

169. Protection from what

Us sitting on lawn chairs with video cameras and popcorn from a distance laughing at the spectacle of a bunch of crazy people banging pots and pans waving Hillary signs?

Seriously....if you haven't read...we really want this to happen.

[Hugabear]

172. That pathetic website is what's sad

When you have a bunch of people over there who would rather lose a woman's right to choose than vote for someone other than Hillary, when you have people stating that they would divorce their partner if they supported Obama, THAT is what is pathetic.

[Asgaya Dihi]

181. Laughing at the clowns as they go by

is not an obsession. Most of what I've read here has been amused and urging them on, they can't do much damage to anyone but themselves the way they are going about this and I'm not sure why any Obama supporter would even want to stop them. A pots and pans protest? After all of this complaining about sexism and stereotypes? They must be immune to irony I'd guess, I really don't think it sends any message they'd want to send.

[quakerboy]

136. Maybe they got caught in the same

little advert clickthrough faux pas that I seem to remember hearing HI44 had going not so long ago?

[JBoy]

143. Latest Notice posted:

UPDATE - THURSDAY APRIL 10 (1am)

Some good news...but not 100%. Seems that 3/4 of the forum has been recovered so far. But at present the "Main Room - Hot Topics" subforum is not appearing and it contained 1,000 threads and 12,000 posts. Hopefully it can be recovered. Still no idea what happened...

[redstate_democrat]

144. Interesting....

[Catherina]

149. They should find a programmer to help them

FOrums don't just eat themselves up.

[Lucky 13]

151. That's a god damned shame.

I feel awful. Should I send flowers? a card? what's the etiquette in this situation?

Well anyway, here's hoping your pot and spoon banging organizing site gets back up and running soon. I'm looking forward to friday!

[AllentownJake]

160. So when

They realize it was their mess up and not an evil Obama plot to stop the pot banging...do you think we'll get an apology?

[mythyc]

162. if you believe that i got a bridge to sell ya

have you read what's on their site? i can't get through 5 posts in a row.... ;)

more likely they'll triumph that they out-smarted us DUers. Did you see that anti-DU thread :rofl:

[AllentownJake]

168. I stopped reading other than Pot and Pan Fun Day

When I found the badly photo-shopped picture one of them made of Barrack in college speaking at a Black Panther rally. They were debating which news outlet to shop it to.

[quantass]

175. Hilarious! That's what you get for f*cking with the EDUCATED. n/t

[Hugabear]

176. Apparently they don't believe in free speech - we're being threatened with LEGAL ACTION

One of them wants to take legal action because of this very thread and other things that have been said here on DU?

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=5383

<snip>
Democratic Underground is a VILE site that willingly allows the hatred, victimization and abuse of other groups. The site is already facing legal action. Seemingly it wants some more? It may just get it from me.

It may take more LEGAL ACTION against Democratic Underground before the OWNERS take action to stop members participating in the hateful denigration and slander of other people/groups who do not support BARACK OBAMA. Yes, DU participates in the HATRED and ABUSE of people and groups who do not support BARACK OBAMA. So, in this regard, Democratic Undeground is playing a direct role in SUPPORTING HATE based on the basic of political preference.
<snip>

BRING IT. You want to silence me because I don't agree with your candidate? FUCK YOU TO HELL. How would you like it if Bush had shut down DU after years of anti-Bush posts? YOU MAKE ME FUCKING SICK.


Oh, and there's also this:

<snip>
And my understanding is that CYBER STALKING is ILLEGAL!
<snip>

So now we're fucking criminals just for looking at your website? How dare us.

[alphafemale]

177. "I'm Suing you because you looked at me funny!!! You Fucking SEXIST!!!"

How dare you speak against the GODDESS?

:rofl:

[AllentownJake]

178. There are websites

Actively encouraging the killing of minority groups and praising Adolf Hitler....but there concern for hate speach is Democratic Underground.

These people do not live in the real world.

[redqueen]

184. "FUCK YOU TO HELL."

:rofl:

That's a new one!

[JBoy]

187. This is a... fuck!

Mother... shitter... Son of an... ass.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

188. This is very bad, this idea.

:rofl:

[redqueen]

191. Hahahahahaha

I need to see that again. :D

[redstate_democrat]

190. Oh my god they are STOOOOPID

They are crazy. lol!

:rofl:

[Catherina]

192. Please don't do that again.

You made me look and step into a sewer where people who are praising McCain and quoting "Holy Scripture" are beating up on DU.

I need a shower.

What's a violant person by the way? :hi:

[JackORoses]

182. Hillarites run everything they touch into the ground.

This seems to be a common theme.