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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:52 PM
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Poll question: a poll on polls
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 01:47 PM by stellanoir
The polls are all over the place.

It's hard for me to fathom how the heck a thoroughly unattractive candidate such as McSame with a thoroughly antiquated ideology who rarely makes sense, can have anywhere near the same amount of support as either of our candidates aside from what was portrayed in this satirical piece from February.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidenta...

The deluded optimist in me feels as though they won't get away with that this time though.

Yet the polls for PA have varied wildly lately.

Which of the factors below contribute to all of the anomalies?

Sorry none of these are really fantastic options.

I didn't include sexism or racism, not only because there's been plenty of rancor about those influences already, but I think ageism might be the over riding force in this race.

Feel free to suggest other possibilities as well as any or all or none of these options.

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:06 PM
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1. Polls are commissioned by people with an agenda.
Pollsters are businesses, and they have to sell themselves to the person or entity hiring them. They know the political bent of their employers, and that causes each poll to conform itself implicitly to those expectations.

In 2004, Scott Rasmussen found that out when he failed to give Bush the expected uptick after the Republican convention. They practically tarred and feathered him, and he immediately apologized profusely and "corrected" his error.

There is spin in virtually every poll being taken. They can twist the outcome merely by the time they poll and the method. If you want Hillary to do well, use only voters who voted last time, poll only on weekends, and do so only by land lines. You'll get a Hillary result every time simply following those three standards.

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:17 PM
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2. All very good points and yeah I probably should have included
manipulative targeting of certain demographics as an option but that sort of qualifies as the first option.

Thanks for responding.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:30 PM
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5. Yes, and that's why I picked the first option.
It was closest to what I wanted to say.

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:35 PM
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6. That's fairly funny
as I often say "brevity is not my strong suit" but polls kind of lend themselves to it unless they are push polls.

Whoops I should have included that option too.

LOL
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:19 PM
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3. Mark Penn still does polling for the Clinton campaign.
Partisans commission out-lier polls to skew the aggregate in a self-serving kind a way.
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Not the Only One Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:20 PM
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4. McCain has succeeded in selling his story to voters
McCain has created this narrative of himself as a maverick independent-minded experienced war hero. Voters have bought into it.

We have to work on doing what we can to convince voters otherwise, but it is something we'd be doing against the current.

Another part is that a certain segment of the voting public hate Hillary (mostly men who view her like the stereotypical mother-in-law found in mother-in-law jokes) and another segment think that Obama is a terrorist and they aren't thrilled that he's black, either.

This election will be no cakewalk, but it's a battle worth fighting.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:37 PM
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7. "There are 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain
I think Mark would place polls in the 3rd category.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:43 PM
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8. Got to love him. Two other great Twain quotations
"Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand."

About golf: "I don't need a stick and ball to spoil a perfectly good walk in a field."
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:48 PM
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9. A couple more of my favorites.
"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldnt be wise."

"When politics enter . . . government, nothing resulting there from in the way of crimes and infamies is then incredible. It actually enables one to accept and believe the impossible."

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:19 PM
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11. Good ones for sure that I'd not heard before.
Thanks
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:50 PM
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10. I said before and I am going to say it again..
The only polls I like is in the clubs ;)
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:30 PM
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12. You know. . .
I'm so damned naive sometimes.

I read your post twice and thought you were talking about a suit in a deck of cards.

:rofl:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:12 AM
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13. K*R
I voted rigged just for the heck of it.

They're not confusing, just pick one you like

With Mr. Penn gone from the campaign, he can now serve by polling or serve up polls ;)
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:21 AM
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14. All of the above, to varying degrees n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:31 AM
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15. Obey

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