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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:18 PM
Original message
To All The Clinton Lovers Here (the ones that don't have me on ignore)
one question;
Who will you vote for in November if Obama is the democratic nominee for president of the United States Of America?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:21 PM
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1. the question should be for all those not mesmerized by Obama
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 07:21 PM by Skittles
not just, as you so eloquently put it, "Clinton Lovers" :puke:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:23 PM
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3. Yep.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:24 PM
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5. And how many of the Obama supporters would that be in your estimation
praytell?
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:04 AM
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67. Fine. No more questions for you
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 02:05 AM by Life Long Dem
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:23 PM
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2. I will vote for the Democratic nominee...period.
*rinsd's pat answer to this question since the dawn of GDP!
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:24 PM
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6. as will I
if Hillary Clinton is the nominee Rinsd
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:26 PM
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9. I know you will.
:hi:
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:27 PM
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10. Same here.
I sure don't feel valued for stating and restating that position, though.
:shrug:
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Jennos20 Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:23 PM
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4. My cat Alex.
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 07:24 PM by Jennos20
She would do a better job than obama and mccain.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:25 PM
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7. another "true democrat party"
person heard from
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Jennos20 Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:33 PM
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21. Was that suppose to be an insult?
There is nothing wrong with being an independent thinker.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:35 PM
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23. you figure it out
.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:28 PM
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11. I think that I'm going to like your cat.
:D
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:32 PM
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17. Probably make a better DUer too
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Jennos20 Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:42 PM
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36. What?
Just because I don't support your arrogant, inexperienced, manipulative candidate all of a sudden I'm not allowed to be here? As far as I'm concerned my opinion is the only one that matters, and if I think Obama and McCain are horrible for this country then it is my right as an American to vote for who ever I please. Cat or not.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:55 PM
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40. Wow. You're really raising your appeal with every post
I encourage you to keep it up. :hug:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:20 AM
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62. Your candidate is all uppity and stupid, dood!
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tigervalentine Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:21 AM
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56. Fine.
You can go now.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:26 PM
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8. Ignore is for cowards and weaklings

I will vote for whoever the nominee is.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:33 PM
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20. or for people you genuinely don't like
which is the case with the 7 names on my ignore list
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:16 AM
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60. In a political chatroom on excite...
...all of the republicans ignored anyone who disagreed with them. I believe it is the result of a fragile, easily bruised, eggshell thin worldview.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:28 PM
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12. Obama
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:29 PM
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13. Pssst. I'm pretty sure using the words "Clinton" and "lovers" in the same sentence is bad form.
:D
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:30 PM
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14. I am a die hard Clinton supporter, I have tried to see the
value in Obama, but his supporters seem so determined to tear the party apart that I don't think as of now I can vote for him. He is so arrogant and so are his folk. They only want to destroy Hillary and Bill for the chance to win. There is no coming together for these folks, they only want her gone and never have to deal with facts.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:32 PM
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16. Hold on while I look for the world's smallest violin...
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:32 PM
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19. you better hold on , because you are a world away from reality.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
24. so what's your answer?
will you vote for the democratic nominee if that nominee is Barack Obama?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:46 PM
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39. We don't represent Obama. Don't judge him by us.
And for the record, I have no desire to destroy the Clintons. I just like Obama better. I will even admit that as a woman, I feel a little guilty about not supporting Hillary, and I will probably be sad if/when she drops out.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:14 AM
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59. Ready to go and fight in one of McCain's wars?
Ready for what is going to happen with the Supreme Court? Ready for shitty schools, no help for the poor, no help for the homeless, gas prices that will go up and up? sounds great, right? Think about it.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:25 AM
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64. I support neither candidate at this point...
...I would most likely support Obama, but his supporters are so hateful and arogant that they have pretty much driven me away from him. Hate has never been a very strong selling point with me. What is it about this guy this turns his 'supporters' into rabid animals? Whatever it is, I want no part in it.

All they care about is smearing the Clinton family and attacking her supporters. I never, ever, see them attempt to sell Obama on his strengths.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:30 PM
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15. Obama
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yasmina27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:32 PM
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18. I WILL vote for the Dem. nominee!
We don't need another McBush in the WH!
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:33 PM
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22. blank. nt
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Polly Hennessey Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:40 PM
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25. Vote
That is an easy one. I am a Democrat and will vote the Democratic ticket. We have two outstanding candidates for once and what is it that we are fighting about again?
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:03 PM
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41. good for you :)
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:16 AM
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61. Hear, hear.
Either candidate is terrific. Whoever gets the nomination, gets my vote. And gladly.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:44 PM
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26. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:49 PM
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27. Anyone who says they won't support the Dem candidate is a McCain supporter.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:52 PM
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28. You're either for us or against us in other words?
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:05 PM
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30. ok, George W. Bush.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:16 PM
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32. Yes. If you won't vote for a Democratic candidate in November, you're against us.
Duh. See the name of the site?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. exactly
or a DU troll
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:19 PM
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49. It's the same crap from the far right and left.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:10 PM
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31. I'd be ecstatic to vote for Obama. But I really hope his fans can be housebroken.
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 08:11 PM by Perry Logan
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:17 PM
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33. Have you ever posted a kind, decent comment on DU?
If you have, I'd really like a link to that. Thanks.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:18 PM
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34. Ignored rarely does
:shrug:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #33
52. He is one of the good ones on DU
Knock it off.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:13 AM
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55. Be a DONATING member and you can do your own search
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 06:02 AM
Response to Reply #55
69. Hey, did you participate in that boycott of DU?
Just wonderin'.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:44 AM
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71. Very Rovian --change the subject. And bad manners
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:17 PM
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47. ROFL
:thumbsup:
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:33 PM
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35. Just because I think Clinton would be a better President doesn't make me a "Clinton lover"
Of course I'll vote for the Democratic nominee. I would have preferred that it be Edwards. Heck, I'd prefer at this point that Gore's presidency was just ending, and that we were promoting some capable vice president after 8 years of additional peace, prosperity, and moving towards taking meaningful action on global climate change.

We can't always have what we wish for, but I wish I could feel that I was voting for the person I thought would be the most effective president, not who's supposedly running the best campaign.

People have constantly faulted Gore for not running as good a campaign as Bush. Of course, the spending differential between Bush and Gore (and Bush and Kerry for that matter) was even less great than that between Obama and Clinton at this point, but I wish we could vote for the candidate, NOT the campaign.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:43 PM
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37. I don't have you or anyone on ignore ...so I'll answer your question
as it stands now...but if Obama'a stance on the war can evolve...so can mine!

I would be happy to vote for Obama ...if Hillary is defeated fairly. That's a big IF. That's kind of hard to do with ALL the media etc. against her. In fact I marvel at how well she is doing with not ONE single channel backing her or even treating her fairly. Not even KO! :cry:

OK back to my answer...I'm stalling..........
Earlier in this campaign...people sometimes posted that they wouldn't vote for Hillary if she won...back in the days of hope. Well, I was shocked...I tell ya I was shocked! I thought and told them how unpatriotic they were and how they could they let the rethugs pick the next 3 or so conservative SCJ.

Sorry this is taking so long but I'm still pondering me answer.

It would be a lot easier to vote for Obama if he didn't have so many hateful unfair supporters who lie about Hillary and ask for her to step dowm because SHE...not he...are dividing the party. To be perfectly honest...and I always am...I'd kind of hate to give those posters the satisfaction of seeing Hillary go down in flames and their guy raise to the heavens.

But...then my common sense gets the better of me and I realize I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face.

Then in a weak moment after reading some nasty posts here I say.
"FUCK it!" I'll not vote! Why should I? It's no skin off my hide!

I'm past child bearing age...so is my daughter...so why should I care whether women lose the right to an abortion. I already have Medicare so why should I give a damn if younger people have Health Insurance? I'm already retired and my children have good out-source safe jobs...so I don't give a hoot about jobs...no skin off my hide. I'll be dead in too few years so I won't be effected about global warning...any more than bush* will. My family all live up here in God's country so we'll be fine with a McCain administration...won't effect me and Obama will probably lose anyway. So why the hell should I vote? What do I have to lose?

I'll tell you what...my country, my dignity, my political party and the future of my Grandchildren and their children etc. The only thing I could gain is some revenge on some of the nasty Obama supporters. It isn't worth it! So...yes..I will vote for Obama and I won't even have to hold my nose.

It took me a long time to answer your question...but I had to think that one out as I went along with my 2 finger typing. A quick gut reaction would be..."Hell no!"

If anyone's still reading and I haven't been put on ignore by all I just want to add something.

It's sad a fellow Democrat would have to ever ask or answer that question. It's also sad that the Primary has come to this point. I'm sure there are other people out there that have the same feelings as I.
I just can't understand why they don't realize this an lay off the ridiculous Clinton attacks...it sure would make it easier to vote for Obama. I want to want to vote for,,,if and when Hillary drops out.

But as I stated earlier. My opinion is subject to change! Be a sweetie and don't make me change it! What do all the Clinton attacks have to accomplish...Nothing!




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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:46 PM
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44. Well said
and your first condition is a hard one - that Hillary be defeated fairly. I think first that the repugs have for years planned to defeat her unfairly, and we have seen much of it play out, perhaps better than they expected.

Then I think, second, that they have had far too much help. The media in this country is rotten to the core, whether one looks at how they treated Hillary in this primary, or Obama, or Gore or Kerry or the Iraq war and its run-up...

As things are, I don't think a fair election was in the cards for either of them. If the shoe was on the other foot, as they say, it would be the same shoe.

I think, if anything, the young need guidance. The media I grew up with is not the media we have today, and what is apparently acceptable speech and treatment here is certainly not what I was ever taught...but if we all throw up our hands and go home, say nothing, nobody ever learns.

My two cents, anyway. And thanks for the thoughtful post.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:10 PM
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46. Thanks for your understanding post too.
I think that was the first time I said something that didn't praise Obama
that I didn't get flamed. Thanks for understanding how I feel and why I came to the conclusions I came to. You make my potential vote for Obama much easier...if he's the candidate! :hug: (See I still have hope...I will never give up hope. Too bad more people around here don't think like you. If they did...the question never would have been asked and I could have answered quickly with a "Yes". I never dreamed I'd ever question my vote.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:44 PM
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38. Is Ignored talking about Hillary's bowling?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:26 PM
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42. May not vote. Won't vote for Obama. Won't vote for mccain.
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 09:30 PM by Skip Intro
Will vote in the other contests - straight Dem.

you asked


on edit: I have no one on ignore. Think the concept is childish.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:07 PM
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43. I wont vote for Borrack

and cant vote for republican, so I guess I will sit this one out. It would be a first for me since I became eligible, NOT voting for the Dem nominee though.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:02 AM
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66. And so
I see by your spelling of Barrack, you have bought into the theory that Fox News is fair and balanced? I hear it's all the rage these days.....

Enough with making "fun" of the mans name. It is childish.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:49 PM
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45. The Dem nominee of course.
That doesn't mean I will like the supporters who have acted like tools here the last few months any more though.

Fortunately your candidate is a better person then some of his supporters we have seen here.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:18 PM
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48. Write-In HRC!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:20 PM
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50. I would not only vote for Obama, I would work for him also
That has never been in doubt for me. Never. This is all about a primary campaign now, choosing between two Democrats, not choosing between a Democrat and a Republican.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:25 AM
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70. I HAD no doubt TR
another true democrat...I will be happy with either Obama or Clinton. Both candidates will make our lives better, but as The Don said said in the 5 family sit-down-I have selfish motives. My son James turned 15 the other day and the in next administration he will be of age for a draft. My grampa fought in WWI my dad in WWII and my recently deceased brother in Vietnam-enough is enough.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:23 PM
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51. If Obama is the nominee?
Yikes...I will hold my nose and my groin and circle the oval for Obama. However, I will proudly vote for Vice Presidential Nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:57 PM
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53. What's interesting is an Obama supporter recently asked
whether his fellow supporters would vote for Hillary, and there was practically dead silence.

This is a fair question per se, but I think you need to all show some indication you would reciprocate before you're start pinning down Clinton supporters.

You can't all ignore the question, and then expect Hillary supporters to be anxious to respond.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:07 AM
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54. Dem. nominee!
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:23 AM
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57. How many times has this question been asked now?
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:10 AM
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58. I will be casting an enthusiastic vote for the democratic nominee.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:22 AM
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63. Reagan or Nixon. Haven't decided yet
:think:
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:55 AM
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65. It's okay
A lot of the Hillary supporters put me on ignore way back. The ones that do not have me on ignore like to point out that I am a nazi and a sociopath no matter how innocuous I try to be in regards to Senator Clinton. I am painfully aware that if I make an observation as to Mrs. Clinton's behavior or voting record or past history, I am "bashing" her. I do not call her names nor do I try to instigate a flame war - no matter, I am made out to be some lunatic who hates the Democratic party.

I voted for Obama but do not see him as anywhere near perfect. I have yelled about his flaws and cringe when I see a major faux pas. I do not try and sanitize a situation by pretending it does not exist.

I will vote for the Democratic candidate, period. (doesn't mean I have to like it.)
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:18 AM
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68. I'll vote straight ticket D, including Obama
Look, we tend to get caught in the here and now, and lose perspective. Once September and October roll around, the primary will be a vague memory. That seems impossible now, but check with me at the time.

In mid February posters were Googling to remember what late December was like, the MTP appearance when Hillary thought it would be over by Super Tuesday, February 5th. So that's an indication of how much changes in 5 or 6 weeks. By the general election we'll have hundreds of added variables and that's where the focus will be. Hillary supporters will come around. It's fashionable to try to make yourself stand out by haughtily insisting you'll never vote for so-and-so. The current polls in that regard are meaningless.

While casting a ballot for Obama, I'll still be convinced we blew it. As others have posted in this thread, I find him suffocatingly arrogant, and I think he'll prove less than we imagine. I mentioned this elsewhere but it earns repeating: if Obama is JFKesque, then how did Hillary win virtually every early debate from him, and many in decisive fashion?

I default to too many sports analogies but the comparison I would make is to offensive minded sports teams, like pantyhose passing teams in football or fast breaking, up tempo, no-defense teams in basketball. The public invariably falls for teams like that, adopting lousy application of priority and content to ignore the built-in vulnerabilities. Every time I think of Barack Obama, that's what he reminds me of.

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