Everyone Knows That Hagee Is A NeoCon, Right?

[Me.]

This is a tremendous article by Glenn Greenwald and points out the reasons why we need to make sure McSame doesn’t get in. It’s not just buddies being buddies that keeps Lieberman at McCain’s side. It is ideologically important to the Neocons that McCain get in. And while people are making McSame comments and jokes about his age, there would be more of a threat to his presidency than most people realize. There would surely be war with Iran if Lieberman and Hagee have their way. This is an excellent read and links to other article which are sending up flares about McCain’s connection to Lieberman and Hagee.

We need to be focusing on this, now, not letting McCain getting a head start and making an uncontested appeal about his credentials to the American people.


“Last week, as Philip Weiss noted yesterday, Lieberman was the honored guest of evangelical Minister John Hagee and the group he leads, Christians United for Israel. As the Press Release distributed by Very Serious Moderate Lieberman aide Marshall Whittman demonstrates, Lieberman gave a speech there which Weiss, with understatement, calls "shocking." More on that in a moment.

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Lieberman's political comrade, Rev. Hagee, is at once both an extraordinary figure and a common one. He is an evangelical minister who, as an amazing interview he gave late last year to NPR's Terry Gross reflects, believes that "Rapture" -- whereby all Christians literally disappear from earth upon the return of Christ, leaving all non-believers to suffer on Earth -- is "imminent."

Rev. Hagee believes that before Christ returns, the Bible contains prophecies a series of Middle East wars against Muslims. And he also believes that God has placed an absolute bar on the giving away of any Israeli land whatsoever, and thus categorically condemns plans such as the "road map" and the Gaza withdrawal as blasphemies against God. In the Gross interview, the following exchange occurred, beginning with a clip from one of Hagee's sermons” cont…

“(2) Could we at least all agree that it is long past time to dispense with the outrageous taboo which prohibits a discussion of the allegiance to Israel among right-wing neocon warmongers like Joe Lieberman and the influence that it has in their advocacy of endless wars against Israel's enemies such as Iran and Syria? Given that the likes of Joe Lieberman have formed common cause with the likes of John Hagee, and they all explicitly say that God demands that the U.S. defend Israel and wage war against its enemies, isn't it rather impossible to pretend any longer that no such relationship exists?”

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/07/26/lieberman_hagee/

[reprehensor]

1. Amen!

"Could we at least all agree that it is long past time to dispense with the outrageous taboo which prohibits a discussion of the allegiance to Israel among right-wing neocon warmongers like Joe Lieberman and the influence that it has in their advocacy of endless wars against Israel's enemies such as Iran and Syria?"

Hell yes.

[BlueManDude]

2. Hagee and Lieberman love Israel for different reasons.

As odious as Lieberman is, I just think he's terribly misguided.

Hagee is a crackpot bigot.

[Me.]

4. But The Consequences Will Be The Same

I don't see Lieberman as misguided as you do, but regardless...misguided or crack bigot...their goal is the same and they will have us at war with Iran. Frankly I think the one who is misguided is McCain, who made yet anther blunder about Iraq.

[Me.]

6. McCain Gets Facts Wrong On Iraq Again

“As Think Progress was first to point out, appearing on Fox News Sunday, the Arizona Republican stated that the recent flair up of violence in Basra was ended after Shiite cleric, Muqtada al-Sadr declared a ceasefire. This, he said, was proof that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government was gaining the upper hand, both militarily and politically.

"It was al-Sadr that declared the ceasefire, not Maliki," said McCain. "With respect, I don't think Sadr would have declared the ceasefire if he thought he was winning. Most times in history, military engagements, the winning side doesn't declare the ceasefire. The second point is, overall, the Iraqi military performed pretty well. ... The military is functioning very effectively."

It is a convenient interpretation for a candidate who later went on to tout the political successes of the American troop surge. But it seems to contradict almost all news accounts from last week. Indeed, it was the Iranian government and members of Maliki's government who brokered the ceasefire, not Sadr. McClatchy newspapers wrote in its lead paragraph” cont…

"Iraq's prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki...has emerged with his authority severely weakened. ... Meanwhile, Moqtada al-Sadr, the target of the assault, comes out of the crisis strengthened. His militiamen gave no ground and, by declaring a ceasefire that has successfully held since Sunday, Sadr has demonstrated his authority and the discipline of his men."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/06/mccain-gets-facts-wrong-o_n_95297.html

[PatGund]

3. I thought he was a neopet....

...oh, my bad, that's a Hasee not a Hagee......

[Scurrilous]

5. Good article.

K & R :thumbsup:

[sudopod]

7. I don't think Israel is to blame.

However, I do think Israel is used as an excuse.

[mmonk]

8. Technically, he isn't. He's a fundamentalist preacher

that likes their war.

[Me.]

10. One Can Be Both

While I get your point, the difference for me is the political influence he is exerting to accomplish his goals, not to mention his joining forces with Lieberman regarding the ME.. Where he a preacher only, even a rapturist, I would not necessarily think of him as a neo.

[Blue_In_AK]

9. Hagee is a disgusting human being

and a flaming lunatic -- and, yes, a Neocon.

[libnnc]

11. I'd say that he's a nutter but I think he knows exactly

what he's doing. The people who sit in his pews however...:crazy:

Hagee is a crooked, lying bastard who frightens people into forking over their money.