Hillary's campaign is looking more and more like Edwards before he dropped out.

[PresidentObama]

I remember supporting Senator Edwards, and the campaign was desperately trying to paint themselves as having a shot in hell and presenting only the positive and painting the negative as positives.

I remember when John said he was going to stay into the convention as well. I love Senator Edwards, and everything he campaigned for. But like Clinton, that line was cooked up from an advisor to rally the troops to stay on the sinking ship.

I remember the desperate crys for more money because the money was drying up, and saying it was to compete with the opponents endless amount of money.

I remember the e-mails from the Edwards campaign like I got today or yesterday from Terry McAuliffe talking about the crowds and how big they were, as if those were real signs that the campaign still has a chance. John Edwards has very good crowds before he dropped out. I know, I was at a campaign event two days before he dropped out of the race.

I'll level with the Clinton supporters. I understand why you still support her, and I understand why you're still pulling for her. I was the same way with John Edwards.

But like I have, I hope all of you come into the mix and support Barack Obama when he's the nominee.

I think he's pretty much there, we just have to make it official :)

Just some observations...

[quantass]

1. well said

[Tarheel_Dem]

2. I, too, recognize the signs. Thanks for posting. n/t

[anigbrowl]

3. One big difference: Edwards' reputation wasn't shot

He may have done badly as a candidate but nobody was questioning whether his ambition was damaging the party or whether he had a strained relationship with the truth. Somehow I doubt he has a trail of unpaid vendors following his campaign either.

[PresidentObama]

5. I give Edwards a lot of credit for getting out for the good of the party.

He's a class act!

[Raine]

10. Yes

Edwards put the party and the country's best interests above his own, he was truly unselfish. :thumbsup:

[MindMatter]

53. Absolutely. If anything, he pulled out a little too early.

Hillary has overstayed her welcome by at least 6 weeks.

The other difference is that Edwards didn't try to trash the other candidates. He simply made his decision and did what he had to do.

When you think about it, there are really no similarities between Edwards and Clinton.

[DesertFlower]

6. good point.

every day i lose more respect for the clintons and i used to adore bill.

[PresidentObama]

7. It's hard seeing the Clintons do this, I respect both of them so much.

Especially Bill.

I hope Hillary has the good sense to get out soon.

I wouldn't lose respect for her, just be disappointed.

[TomBall Democrat]

32. The constant lies - too much

when I reflect on it, I realize I have a LOT of anger over the past two decades of defending their joint misbehavior.

Therefore, I'm pretty pissed with Bill and Hillary.

[PBS Poll-435]

39. Get over it. What did they do to you in 1988?

[Zhade]

47. She's lied repeatedly, how can you still respect her?

I'm not attacking you. I just don't understand.

[my3boyz]

22. Edwards definately put the party first! I honestly don't believe

it was ever about political ambitions to him. He could have still pushed on but he knew he did not have a shot to win it and he knew staying in was only prolonging the inevitable. Having said that I was REALLY sad when he dropped out. I was stunned and sad. I wanted Edwards and Barack at the end. I would have felt fine supporting eirher one of them. Hillary will never get my vote.

[Abacus]

54. Edwards' campaign was conducted with dignity and class,

right up until the day he dropped out. Hillary's campaign? Not so much...

[leftofcool]

4. "I hope all of you come into the mix and support Barack Obam"

I don't think it is DUers you have to convince since we make up about 0000000.1 percent of Dems. It's like preaching to the choir. Best to work at convincing Dems in Florida, Ohio, Michigan.

[jgraz]

12. The person who has to do that is Hillary Clinton

She's engaged in some pretty serious well-poisoning over the past few months. If we're going to carry those states in the fall, Hillary's going to have to go on a serious "I didn't really mean it" tour.

[leftofcool]

27. Gee, I thought the nominee would be trying to convince those states

he is better than Mccain

[TomBall Democrat]

41. luckily, I haven't the nominees burden.

I can say I think Hillary Clinton is a snake.

[bhikkhu]

36. Just as when Edwards stands up and endorses our nominee, that will be a good day.

[NEOhiodemocrat]

18. From this part of Ohio

You might be surprised how the people are starting to wish for Obama to get the nomination. And my sister down in southwestern Ohio says the same. There is hope for us yet!

[Zhade]

48. You all must be PISSED at being lied to about NAFTA by clinton.

I'd be!

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. Fuck florida.

We never had a shot at winning florida anyway, what with the DLC running the party there -- the DLC would only support Hillary, and in the GE Hillary would lose. That's why they engineered this fight with Dean. If florida democrats bounce the turncoats who fucked up their primary I might forgive them next time around, but until I see that happen, they are dead to me.

[Mags]

8. guess that is why she gathered 20 million this month. Just to drop out. Yeah, right.

[jgraz]

9. Well, she still has to pay all those campaign debts. God forbid she tap that $109 million

Lucky for her, there are still plenty of suckers - er - contributors willing to help her out.

[Mags]

17. cry me a river, she just won't give up, Oh, God, please let her surrender, so we can win.

I will be forever helping her out, and I am for sure no sucker. The suckers are the folks that harp and complain because of the competition, It's so hard to have an opponent. Why won't they just go away and let me have what I want? What is wrong with these people!!!!!


















1

[goldcanyonaz]

21. Me too, Mags. Me too.

[jgraz]

35. Mark Penn thanks you

[Zhade]

49. You're delusional if you think she has to drop out for him to win. He already has.

She's done.

[GarbagemanLB]

13. Only 7 of which she can spend on the primary...yeah, that will all be going to pay her debts. lol

[Mags]

28. do you actually think that if she makes the primary win that Barry won't give

his money to her as the big candidate for Pres? If he doesn't he is such a loser.... That is what campaigns do. Well, normally, who knows , maybe he really won't, he may give it to his opponent. We just don't know that much about Barry or his character.

[Zhade]

50. She's not going to win, so why even bother with the question?

NT!

[rainbow4321]

42. Half of which will go to Penn and his group

Last IOU listed for him was just under $3 mil as of March 20th...no telling what it is up to now.

And who the hell is she going to try and bargain with to get them paid..as in "I'll drop out if you pay my campaign bills". Good luck with doing something like THAT, HRC. Just have Bill go give a speech and then hand the proceeds over to all the vendors you've $crewed over in the past few months.

[FogerRox]

16. Once she pays the nearly 8 mill in debt, once you figure how much was donated for the primary vs the

GE.... then you will have a real number. And how much will need to be refunded ? Hillary leads in refunds, 2.8 million, 3 times Obama refunds and 5 times McCains numbers.

Sorry but ending up with 6 or 7 million doesnt go very far these days.

[TomBall Democrat]

33. More than half of the 20 million can't be spent in the primary

it's earmarked for the actual campaign.

So, cut that number in half, take out the 5 million she owes herself, and the money owed to creditors.

And she's broke.

BTW, Obama collected 40 million in the same period. None of it earmarked for the campaign. Brand new donors - who haven't reached a cap.

The future looks rosy for Obama - and not so for Clinton.

Follow the money, and it's over for the Clintons.

[AllentownJake]

11. The money

Is going to be the thing that does it. As long as you have fuel you still go. I don't think she raised more than 15 million for the primary this month. There are 6 media markets in PA. It is not a cheap state to run a primary in. Not to mention the get out the vote efforts. She'll be broke going into NC and IN. I'm expecting April's numbers to be less than March.

[FogerRox]

20. She has nearly 8 mill in debt, some donations are for the GE, cant be used in the primary

so you take the 20 mill she raised in march, minus the 8 mill in debt, nearly half of the remaining is GE donations.

[Zhade]

14. Don't do that. Edwards isn't a rampant liar like she is.

NT!

[PresidentObama]

15. Wasn't comparing him to her, just the campaign. It's right out of the Desperation Playbook.

[Zhade]

51. I didn't see THIS kind of lying, cynical desperation from his supporters.

Her supporters deny proven, documented lies as if they didn't happen (someone actually said "there was no Tuzla lie", which given the video evidence is just insane).

[goldcanyonaz]

19. Which states was he leading in, before he dropped out? It's been so long that I forgot.

[PresidentObama]

23. What states can Hillary win that'll put her ahead? And what margins? Is there ANY path to victory?

And John Edwards didn't have any leads in any states.

Though his poll numbers in Super Tuesday states were improving, and some of the states that voted on Super Tuesday he had a real chance to gain delegates.

[goldcanyonaz]

26. bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla

We're going to Denver!

[PresidentObama]

29. That we are. President Obama, here we come!

[Zhade]

52. ...and losing there, too.

NT!

[IDemo]

24. I remember knowing the moment had come

When Chuck Todd, on one of the Sunday morning shows, asked the other talking heads "and what about John Edwards?", and then joined them with a round of laughter. That hurt.

Haven't seen Chuck openly laughing at Clinton yet, but he sure can get a grin going when he's talking about the math.

[RBInMaine]

25. The WORST part though is that she is trying to morph into the "new Edwards" with her new-found

populism. This, her latest morph, after she said last fall, "you don't make change by fighting or hoping for it, you get it by working for it." Wel, now she's branding herself as the working class "fighter". What fakery ! This from the supporter of NAFTA and who gladly takes more lobbyist and corporate money than the R's.

[TomBall Democrat]

34. The difference is I still respect John Edwards nt

[Whisp]

45. Hillary – The Working Class Smearo.

Carville should rethink who the Judas is in this game.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. I went to a rally for Edwards at the end of January.

Actually, it was his last one -- the very next day he dropped out. But there were a whole lot of really enthusiastic people at that rally, and Edwards stated emphatically and absolutely that he was going all the way and urged the crowd to vote for him at our state's (MN) caucus on Feb. 5. There was not the faintest suggestion that he didn't intend to continue his campaign.

But the first thing the next morning, when I turned on the TV, I learned that he had just announced he was suspending the campaign, and I was dumbfounded -- not to mention damned glad I hadn't gotten around to donating more money on-line after I got home after the rally. I couldn't imagine what could have happened *overnight* to make Edwards drop out by breakfast time the next day. He must have known he was planning to quit even as he was telling us he wasn't. I was really disappointed.

So when I hear Hillary insisting she's going all the way to the convention, I'm not convinced. She is having money problems and the SDs are starting to move to Obama. I guess politicians feel they have to pretend they are staying in right to the very last minute, even if they know they aren't.

[PresidentObama]

31. Yep I was at a rally two days before he quit, and the crowd was energized and he was too.

I had NO clue he was dropping out.

So I'm not convinced when Hillary says she's staying in.

[Mooney]

37. You are a far kinder person than I am.

I was about to go into a whole thing about how Edwards conducted himself towards the end of his campaign vs. how Hillary is conducting herself, and she was not going to be compared favorably by me. But your thread is very magnanimous, and I'm not going to shit on it.

[BlueIdaho]

40. I respected Edward's "story"

sadly he never really connected with enough voters. HRC's campaign is headed in the same direction. The end is always fairly predictable and the same sorts of things seem to happen as the orbit decays. Its over - she's finished.

[tishaLA]

43. Anytime you have to fend off stories

about your campaign's demise, you have a campaign in trouble. Clinton faces stories every day that it's almost over, and by responding to them she is in effect feeding the fire. The birds of prey are circling. She knows it.

[quantass]

44. k&r

[anonymous171]

46. Well, Edwards was shut out. Hillary is in the press everyday.

[johnnydrama]

55. Edwards did a very selfless thing

I think he saw the writing on the wall that he was going to be a spoiler, and wanted the nomination to be won by who the majority of the voters wanted it, not who got the most votes because their were 3 candidates.

The Edwards voters could have broken towards Hillary, but I think most broke for Obama putting him in great shape.