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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:16 PM
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I've now officially moved from Hillary to Barack.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 03:22 PM by MarianJack
This was not easy for me because loyalty has always been something I've seen as a cardinal virtue. I was never against any of the other Democratic candidates, I was for Hillary with the VERY clear acknowledgment that any of ours was better than any of theirs.

However, this needs to be OVER. It needs to be over NOW!

I cannot in any good conscience continue to decry the Supreme Court for inserting an unelected fraud into the white house in 2000 and, at the same time, look to super delegates to nominate a candidate who has fewer wins, pledged delegates and popular votes. I was selected to our state convention here in Maine as a delegate pledged to Hillary. On the floor I will vote for Obama. As John Lewis said, this has become a movement. It is a movement I can happily support.

I wholeheartedly supported Hillary. I will always believe that she'd be a winning general election candidate and a great president. This does not change the fact that my fellow Democrats have spoken. I respect their decision. I will actively and enthusiastically support Barack Obama as the next president of the United States. I will be proud to point to him and tell my son that he is the president. I will be proud to point to Michelle as our first lady. I will be overjoyed to have a first family that I can respect again.

Is this the outcome I wanted in January? No.

Do I accept this outcome? Yes.

Do I want there to be even the REMOTEST possibility of 4 years of more of this criminal administration's policies under a president John McSame? NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO!

We can all look at the primaries and caucuses and say that with a few thousand more votes here & there, Hillary would have been the nominee. So what? If the dog didn't stop to shit he'd have caught the rabbit.

For all intents and purposes, we have a nominee. Let the healing begin. Fellow Hillary supporters, deal with it and lets help Barack Obama become our next president. Obama supporters, please don't be sore winners. All of us, lets look at the senator from Arizona and think of his public embraces of this excuse for a president, both physically and policy wise, and focus on what our party and our country really needs.

Obama 08. Change we can believe in!

PEACE!
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:17 PM
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1. Welcome to the light side
:hi:
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:21 AM
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112. on the bright side
your christmas card list should shrink as soon you will be "dead" to the clinton camp
welcome to the movement

go obama 08
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:19 PM
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2. Since you're now supporting him, it's spelled with a C.
Sorry for being a dick, but it's BaraCk Obama. Maybe this was just a typo.

Thanks!
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:23 PM
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7. OOOPS!
Fixed!
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:20 PM
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3. How much did Obama pay you?
Get ready for all the accusations. Obama "stole" you. You're a pledged delegate, therefore you have no freewill.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:02 PM
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65. More like how much did Hillary pay him? n/t
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:21 PM
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4. We are all in this together. Time to bury McSame.
:thumbsup:
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:19 AM
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89. Indeed!


I heard someone, maybe on CNN or MSNBC refer to him as McSame today and smiled. :D

They're getting the message. I hope they push it till it gets through some of those thick skulls!
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:21 PM
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5. Your post makes no sense. EOM
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:26 PM
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9. ?????
This from an apparent Obama supporter?

One response. :boring:
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:36 PM
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21. I was wondering if in any good conscience believe,
its Ok for Obama's pledged delegates to circumvent the voters choice, as you are proposing.

And why cannot Ms. Clinton drop you like a hot rock. Do you know what the rules are.(I do not)
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:54 PM
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22. I'm sorry but, you are pledged to candidate Clinton
And we know it is impossible to get pledged delegates to switch to Clinton.
However if she has plans in play, you would certainly be helping Ms. Clinton
by being an example for Obama delegates to model after.

Your not helping Obama, your helping Clinton, by announcing its ok to circumvent thousands of peoples votes.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:04 PM
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44. I agree with you. I support Obama, with that being said, pledged delagates are pledged for a reason
This may work for Hillary supporters, but this Obama supporter doesn't go there.
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:10 PM
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57. As an Obama supporter, I agree
Thats why they have Alternates. If you no longer support the candidate that you were chosen as a delegate for, you should step down as a delegate and let someone else be Hillary's delegate
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:27 AM
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94. I had the exact same reaction. Good I'm not the only one.
I think this person should step aside and let the alternate represent Clinton. If she wants to use his or her personal vote to vote for Obama in November then great. However, I don't think it is a good idea to use your state's pledged vote to switch sides.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:27 PM
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117. Pledged delegates are not legally bound to vote for the candidate they represent.
BUT...they are supposed to reflect the preference of the voters. AND...candidates may remove delegates who they feel may be disloyal.

In my opinion, the ethical thing to do as a delegate would be to step down and allow a loyal alternate to attend.
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:23 PM
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6. I see the Super Delegates are have the same feeling!
Slowly but surely, the SD's are making that same change.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:24 PM
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8. Welcome to the People's Movement!!!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:26 PM
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10. Thank you for the thoughtful endorsement
And welcome :)

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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:26 PM
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11. Welcome, and well said!
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:28 PM
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12. Welcome.
Get ready to get called every name in the book.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:28 PM
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13. Welcome, MJ.
~PEACE~
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:29 PM
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14. Welcome!!
:hi:
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:30 PM
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15. It's obvious to me
That you've been seduced by promises of ponies. At first, I was a little shocked when I found myself overwhelmed with pony-love. Oh sure, I've always wanted a pony when I was younger but not in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine that a presidential candidate would actually promise one to everyone who supported him.

With open arms, I welcome you to our pony parade.

Have you decided what you're going to name it?
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LukeSkywalker Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:50 PM
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73. Bitter Hillaroids
And the skies opened up and they were full of beautiful ponies.... and sure we can just say "Hey Ponies make all of these problems go away"

haha.... yes. It is time for Hillary and her hardcore condescending groupies to go.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #73
107. Wow, another one who doesn't get the intent of DU.......
:eyes:

What are the Obama groupies TRYING to prove? Like, move on already.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:43 PM
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121. Maybe you should be here for an entire month before taking it upon yourself ...
to decide who should or should not be here. Hell, you might even consider crossing the magic "20 post threshold" before offering such pearls of wisdom. Shit, why not go all the way and actully DONATE to the site you wish to regulate?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:00 AM
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105. Hillary's lovely legs, would be a nice name for a trotter.
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TomBall Democrat Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:30 PM
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16. Graceful post - Peace to you, too. nt
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:31 PM
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17. Welcome aboard!
Obama's an awesome guy. He's absolutely what this country needs from a President.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:33 PM
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18. Welcome over, but
I wish pledged delegates would vote for the candidate for whom they were chosen to vote.

I was selected to our state convention here in Maine as a delegate pledged to Hillary. On the floor I will vote for Obama.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:34 PM
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19. Welcome aboard!
:hi:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:34 PM
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20. welcome aboard!
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isuba Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:59 PM
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23. The voters
Please have more respect for the voters who elected you to represent them for Senator Clinton. While I would welcome any new supporters for Senator Obama, you were chosen by the majority of the voters (presumably) in your district to cast your vote for a certain candidate. You should respect that.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:39 PM
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26. That has nothing to do with anything.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 04:40 PM by Zachstar
There is a reason it goes by districts.

If this delegate vote against the will of his district (The means today they are strong Clinton supporters) THEY will deal with him socially.

So the delegate is the one taking a social risk on this. We are not the ones to judge.

Keep in mind that this stuff is logged. Anyone considering the person in the future can note such.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #26
38. I don't know how it works in Maine
or where you are, but when I voted for delegates, the delegate's name was listed, and following the name, in parentheses, was the candidate he or she supported.
If one of the delegates that I voted for(and assuming my candidate was still actively in the race), were to say, "well, I've changed my mind, and now I'm going to vote for athe other one," I would be mighty upset with that delegate.
I'm happy for the increased Obama support, but it seems to me that pledged is pledged -- or should be.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. Same thing where I am at. You are damn straight I would be angry.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #23
58. So much garbage has come out about Hillary since most of our primaries...
...As a New Yorker, I hope my reps switch over to Obama.

Welcome to the DU isuba. :hi:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #23
124. Hasn't Hillary been recorded going about and telling
delegates they didn't have to stick with their pledge to Obama? They could (and should) switch their delegate votes to HER? Yes. She did. If it's allowed, it's allowed by everyone.
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Rubiconski2009 Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:03 PM
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24. Wow..that brought tears to my eyes.
A powerful voice of SANITY!!!

:hi: :loveya: :yourock:


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. Love the Zened out Yoga Girl..
who "I Obama" !
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:08 PM
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25. Can we clone a million of you?
We need more of you in the Democratic Party.

I've not been as gracious as you, but I will learn from the example you've set.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:41 PM
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27. God forgives all...welcome to heaven!
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:56 PM
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28. Could you clarify what you mean by "officially" changed to Obama?
Can you explain the process for us? There's quite a bit of confusion as to how "pledged" a pledged delegate is. And if you're doing this, I'm fearing even more chaos in the process than currently exists. Please tell us more.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:21 PM
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30. Delegates can switch their support at the convention, it's happened before.
It's never happened in huge numbers or anything, but it has happened.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:11 PM
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46. I think they can, but most states have actual criminal and/or cival laws against it. From my
understanding, which is in no way complete, they call it an unfaithfull delegate. That person can have penaltys levied against them for doing so.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #28
132. Rather Simple, Actually!
For the last year+ I supported Hillary.

A week or 2 ago I switched to Obama. Much like Sen. Casey, my son and other young people had a lot to do with it. It needs to be over NOW.

BTW, For any who've questioned my status as a pledged delegate for Hillary, I will be contacting the state party for guidance, but my intent remains the same. Any Democrat who is not considering the good of the party as a whole and is still focusing on interparty feuds and not on defeating mcsame needs to have their head examined in my opinion.
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gimberly Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:13 PM
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29. Hillary isn't ready to quit - she hasn't run out of tears...
...she's saving them up until the (wet) Friday before PA.  
I can't wait to see what she's cooking up.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:24 PM
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31. Thanks for your support and bravery in your situation.
More will come to your conclusion soon enough.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:24 PM
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32. Let the healing begin...
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:32 PM
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33. ...


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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:36 PM
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35. Folks may disagree on just when the trailing candidate should withdraw...
...and I'm not in a hurry, personally. Everyone, however, should be willing--eventually--to ask the hard questions about who can win, how victory would have to be achieved, and at what cost. I'd like to think that I could do that, no matter which one I supported and which one was behind.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:39 PM
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36. WELCOME, glad to have you
with us now! :grouphug:
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:41 PM
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37. Hillary Clinton can still win the popular vote. {EOM}
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #37
68. HIGHLEY UNLIKELY.........
CONSIDERING THE POLLS ARE TIGHTENING IN PA. ALSO ,IF YOU ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE UNWEIGHTED TOTALS IT MAKES THE POPULAR VOTE SEEM MUCH CLOSER THAN IT IS. CAUCUSES AND PRIMARIES ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS,TO ADD THE TWO TOTALS WOULD BE RIDICOULUS.YOU WOULD HAVE TO WEIGHT CAUCUS VOTES BY (TURNOUT-TO -POPULATION)TO GET A PROPER POPULAR VOTE TOTAL.
OBAMAS LEAD WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER .
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:46 PM
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130. Polls have not been reliable indicators in this election cycle so far. {EOM}
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:10 PM
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39. This doesn't need to be over now. And it won't be. We are going to the convention (eom)
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jettison Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:31 PM
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40. It doesn't matter when it ends.
She'll lose either way.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:32 PM
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41. The SDs will endorse Obama and get him to 2024 by mid June. Sorry, no convention for Hillary.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #39
60. Some talking head said that Hillary may not have money now, but she has plenty for the GE. ..n/t
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:28 AM
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95. .A wide open convention.
It looks like delegates will be voting all over the place in Denver.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:07 PM
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42. here here! ******Only 32 recommends? Why only 32*****
This deserves to be featured on front page!

Thanks!

:yourock:
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:22 PM
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43. Please don't confuse these issues
I cannot in any good conscience continue to decry the Supreme Court for inserting an unelected fraud into the white house in 2000 and, at the same time, look to super delegates to nominate a candidate who has fewer wins, pledged delegates and popular votes.


You are comparing apples and oranges -- or rather apples and lumps of coal.

The insertion of the Supreme Court into the 2000 election was an unprecedented move that went outside the system and perverted the election process. It should rightfully be condemned.

However, the whole idea of superdelegates is to overlay an independent set of votes on the primary process. It is not to simply rubber stamp the number primaries or number of states or number of popular votes or whatever trumped up metric you care to use.

The superdelegates were put in place exactly to ensure that the best interests of the party were met regardless of what the primaries came up with in delegates.

For the record, even elected or caucus delegates are not required -- either by law or party rules -- to vote for a particular candidate, even on the first ballot.

Imagine a case where a candidate gathered enough delegates early in the primary process to get the nomination. Then, something unsavory came to light about the candidate. Superdelegates can ensure that the party isn't saddled with a candidate doomed to failure in the GE.

So, don't be too quick to do away with superdelegates. They may be the party's salvation some day.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:53 AM
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88. So the super delegates function as an electoral college?
Assuring that the rabble don't do something stupid like pick a candidate considered unsuitable as deemed by the far more intelligent Democratic Party? I've always appreciated those extra little steps the National Parties do to make sure We The People don't fuck things up. It makes me feel really, really, like, safe.

:sarcasm:
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Maureen1322 Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:11 PM
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47. This won't be over until Puerto Rico votes in June.
I don't want this going to the convention, but let the people vote.
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:21 PM
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70. Exactly! It all hinges on Puerto Rico, peoplez, don't you see?
:sarcasm:
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #47
79. If non-state PR puts Hillary over the top in popular vote, do you really think...
that should sway the SD's to select Hillary over the pledged delegate winner Obama?
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Maureen1322 Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:04 AM
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90. Let the people vote, nothing more, nothing less.
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ayak9 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:26 AM
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114. Limbaugh Clinton voters?
How about the Limbaugh Clinton voters? In Ohio, Texas, Mississippi - these felonious miscreants helped push up Hillary's popular vote totals and depressed Obama's delegate pick-ups.

How can we count these dubious crossover votes and not count the caucus votes of real Democrats? No wonder the Hillbots are so concerned with who wins the popular vote? It's a rigged parameter and just about the only one these morons have left. Rush thinks he's gonna help the Repukes, so he can proclaim his influence like he did the day after the '94 midterms, when he proudly oinked: "This is the happiest day of my life.".

I have to believe that the superdelegates will take this into account when the Hillbot Nation tries to say that she is ahead or within a few percentage points in the popular vote totals.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:11 PM
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48. Nicely expressed. n/t
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:22 PM
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59. It was a great post, and a great action by our dear Marian.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:18 PM
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49. Thanks for your post. Welcome :) n/t
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:21 PM
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50. So, you're a HRC pledged delegate who'll cross-over to Obama? Hmm, sorry, smells like BS to me
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 08:22 PM by Melinda
Isn't cross-over delegates what Hillary is counting on? Not even at the convention yet, and you're breaking your pledge? And not even a SD at that!

Sounds as if you're providing support for the argument that there is no such things as a candidate pledged delegate to me, which is also, by some strange coincidence, the very exact same meme the Clinton camp is pushing this week.

Things that make ya go, hmmmmmmmm. :shrug:
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:16 AM
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133. So, by switching from Hillary to Obama,...
...I'm pushing Hillary's agenda.

PUH-LEEZE!
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:27 PM
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51. Welcome and thank you for your honesty
"I cannot in any good conscience continue to decry the Supreme Court for inserting an unelected fraud into the white house in 2000 and, at the same time, look to super delegates to nominate a candidate who has fewer wins, pledged delegates and popular votes. I was selected to our state convention here in Maine as a delegate pledged to Hillary. On the floor I will vote for Obama. As John Lewis said, this has become a movement. It is a movement I can happily support."


Regarding your statement above - I was wondering if it was bothering any Hillary supporters that she may want to circumvent the rules. I believe people who are truly Democratic would not be able to continue support in light of their principles.

Regarding the switch as a pledged delegate but not being a super delegate - I am afraid I would have to agree, those who are pledged by the election process, should remain pledged until their candidate withdraws. As much as we welcome increased super delegates, I do not believe the majority of the Obama supporters would want people switching if they are the delegate elected by the voters.

So welcome, glad you are supporting but if she doesn't withdraw, I believe you should vote for Hillary at the convention (unless you are a SUPER delegate).



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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:41 PM
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52. GOMarianJack !!
GOBAMA !!!!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:06 PM
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53. THANKS. And you should feel fine. Hillary is smart and prepared. But, HUGE ties to BIG $$.
We don't need a corporate Democrat replacing a corporate R. Time for bigger change than that.
I was for Edwards first. When he dropped I went to Obama. He's a good choice. Feel fine with it.
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rch35 Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:21 PM
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54. im an obama supporter, but i think you should stick with hillary
thats who you were elected to represent.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:43 PM
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55. Thank you so much and welcome aboard the Obama train!
Time for change is at hand and all Americans deserve the best from their Representatives!
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:50 PM
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56. No ride for you on the Hill-o-copter!
And no complimentary night with Bill in the Lincoln bedroom.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:06 AM
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82. Oh there still may be a Hill-o-copter ride in MJ's future ...
but the tricky part is trying to flap your arms fast enough to fly after Hillary pushes you out at 1500 feet.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:41 PM
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61. It would be immoral to not support the candidate that your are pledged to...
Are you without principal?
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:44 PM
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62. it would be funny if the argument hillary has been using backfires entirely on her.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:19 AM
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134. And You Judge me on WHAT basis?
If you'd read the post, morality and the interests of party and country have a lot to do with this.

I am also considering my conscience and my family's well-being.

We cannot afford a 3rd bush term under mcsame.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:54 PM
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63. Congratulations on making a choice.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:00 PM
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64. You're at odds with yourself...
However, this needs to be OVER. It needs to be over NOW!


On the floor I will vote for Obama.


Care to explain?
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:20 AM
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135. Read the whole post and I do.
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constantino Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:03 PM
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66. I think you are an Obama supporter pretending to be a convert
it's happened a lot here in DU.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:12 PM
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67. I think you were the 56th recommender. n/t
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:57 PM
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78. BINGO! It's getting old.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:02 AM
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80. We'll be looking forward to your evidence. n/t
n/t
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:07 AM
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108. Yes!
Bravo. :D
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:22 AM
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136. Nonsense!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:13 PM
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69. Bravo!
Welcome!
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:26 PM
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71. DONT SWITCH YOUR PLEDGE!!!!
YOU'LL HAVE YOUR CHANCE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA IN NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!!
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:48 PM
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72. Don't be McLate
Johnny Come Late = Johnny McLate

Or John McLame or John McSame....

Recognize the greatness of a civic movement in the "Now" Time and Space... Not 20 + years later

Vote for Barack Obama, for what he represents, his message, his wisdom, his intellect, his judgment, his commitment to helping every American. We can all be a part of strenghtning American had charting a new course.

Visit www.BarackObama.com Find out how you can join the movement.

Thanks.
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:10 AM
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86. I DONT GET YOUR REPLY!!
IM AN OBAMA SUPPORTER ,BUT I THINK SHE HAS AN OBLIGATION TO UPHOLD THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IN HER DISRICT/PRECINCT. AS AN OBAMA SUPPORTER I DONT LIKE THE IDEA OF PLEDGED DELEGATES SWITCHING OVER,THAT IS UNDEMOCRATIC.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:16 AM
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92. please stop shouting. nt
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:40 PM
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126. IM NOT SHOUTING,MY KEYBOARD'S BROKEN.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #126
129. try Craigs List
or your local Freecycle.

Keyboards are a dime a dozen...

:shrug:

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #71
127. I AGREE!!!
This person represents the people in Maine who voted for Hillary. Until SHE releases him, he needs to vote for her.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:52 PM
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74. Officially moved from sitting to standing. No Text
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:54 PM
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75. Thank you for your support. :)
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:57 PM
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76. The last thread I saw like this was an April Fool's joke.
This thread's just a bad joke.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:23 AM
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137. Nonsense!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:57 PM
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77. "Change we can believe in" Wow!
Already chanting the slogans. Another instant conversion. :eyes:
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:03 AM
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81. They're winning slogans... why not? n/t
n/t
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:15 AM
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83. She's still big.
It's the pictures that got small.

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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:43 AM
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84. I've fricken moved to Hillary from Obama...
...all of you are a bunch of confused clowns.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:39 AM
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98. Clowns, describes us well.
:thumbsup:
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:44 AM
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85. Gooble Gobble
One of us! One of us!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:13 AM
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87. Welcome to a new day.
FREE RANDI RHODES
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:07 AM
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91. I respect what you've said
and hope all Obama supporterws would be saying the same were the numbers reversed.

Welcome aboard! :hi:
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:26 AM
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93. Great! Now....on to the REAL battle: Beating McSame in November!!!!! nt
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:34 AM
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96. Wow, I hope others are just as supportive of delegates switching from Obama to Hillary
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 07:37 AM by goldcanyonaz
as they are of you on this thread.

I can't see how any one supports this.

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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:36 PM
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118. I believe you are using selective vision
There are quite a few of us posting that while we welcome MarianJack's support, she should either step down as a delegate or vote for Clinton as a delegate.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:27 AM
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138. 2 Points.
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 10:28 AM by MarianJack
1. Unless directed by the state party to do so, I'm not stepping doen.

2. I'm a guy. I'm the "Jack" part of "Maria and Jack". Maria is my lovely wife and the rarely posting DUer "ChicaAzul".
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:36 AM
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97. Welcome to Obama. Adjust seatbelts take off to a new era begins shortly.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 07:37 AM by cooolandrew
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:39 AM
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99. I took a similar route to Obama.....
I truly didn't decide until well into the race. My primary has yet to be held and I truly couldn't make up my mind about Clinton v. Obama. Unlike you, I didn't support either initially. I'm not a fan of some very important Clinton votes, but I still reserved judgment. And then she began running the campaign she's run and pulling the crap you've described. SHE was the one who pushed me away from her campaign. Obama attracted me, she repelled me. And I do truly believe that he's the better candidate to beat McCain.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:40 AM
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100. Are you a pledged delegate? There's the difference if you are not.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:47 AM
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101. Marian, I empathize with your feelings of loyalty as you state them.
I urge you to look into the rules before you take any voting action.

My limited understanding is that you are a "pledged" delegate. If my understanding of "pledged" is correct, you have a "loyal" obligation to vote for Hillary on behalf of the people.

Again, with limited my understanding, there could come a time at the convention where all pledged delegates would be free to vote for there individual choices. Should that time come, you would be free to use your own discretion.

I don't think you're alone though. If delegates are free to switch, I suspect this may backfire on Hillary.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:51 AM
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102. It could also backfire on Obama. This election is different than any of us have ever witnessed.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:10 AM
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113. I agree Obama could lose because if it. "Backfire" applies to the one shooting.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 07:54 AM
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103. liar?
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 08:36 AM by wrando
you went from a hilary supporter to calling her a fraud without missing a beat

what a phony

Bill from ct
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:32 AM
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139. If you'd actually READ my post,...
...you might have noticed that I referred to bush as a fraud, not Hillary.

I am not, and have never been, a Clinton basher.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:54 AM
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104. bttft and recommend with many kudos for a great post.
I went through the same thing.

Obama 08. Change we can believe in!
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:04 AM
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106. You've been kept up many a night......
by your decision? :sarcasm:
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #106
141. Not "up many a night"...
...but with much thought and deliberation.

I don't care if this doesn't meet your high standards.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:15 AM
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109. Beautiful. We're watching a great thing happen here. The unfolding of a wonderful
movement in the right direction.

I am so glad that you see it. It's a good thing. All these new voters feeling empowered, that is democracy waking up and getting on its feet after 8 years of slumber.

It's wonderful.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:16 AM
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110. Bad decision imo but hey-
that's your right to do as you want.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:20 AM
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111. Yes, the gutter attacks on Randi Rhodes has put me over to Barack too
Shame on Hillary supporters for trying to silence one of the few liberal voices on the radio.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:41 PM
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120. It's not only Hillary supporters who think Randi Rhodes was wrong
I love Randi, and the way she has taken on the right wing, but her remarks were wrong in that case. Those kind of remarks just lower the discourse in an already divisive campaign.
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:32 AM
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115. Bienvenidos!
y Obamanos!
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:24 PM
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116. Thanks for your post
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 01:45 PM by ekwhite
I will have to disagree with you on one thing, however. I feel that if you were selected as a Clinton delegate, you should either resign or vote for Clinton on the floor. As an Obama supporter, I would like to welcome you aboard, but wouldn't it be wrong to ignore the votes of the people who voted for Clinton and support Obama instead?

This is not meant as a criticism of you, but as a serious political question. I feel that the pledged delegates should support the will of their precinct.

Obama will be the Democratic nominee when the primaries are over. When is the right time to say, 'Sorry Senator Clinton, but it is time to go home'? I think that time will be after the last primary in June, unless she drops out sooner. Until then, I think we should bend over backwards to be scrupulously fair to her.

Edited to correct grammar and clarify my position.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:37 PM
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119. One more person who doesn't matter.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 01:51 PM
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122. Welcome aboard.
Great post. It made my day.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:12 PM
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123. woooo hooooo!!! k/r
A movement it is.
I cannot wait for the rest of the passengers to get on board so we can get ON THE ROAD!
:bounce:
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:23 PM
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125. Welcome... and good choice. nt
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:54 PM
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128. Happens daily..welcome
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:38 PM
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131. Too late to R, but I will definitely K
:kick:
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:33 AM
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140. Ya know, you make sooooo much sense!
Thanks for your gracious attitude and acknowledgment MarianJack. And yes, - the nomination game is over.

Let the healing begin!

peace back :hi:

big K&R!
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A Worker in Paradise Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:02 PM
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142. Helping Imperialists
MJ,

I believe this to be a big mistake. Obama, albeit seemingly a breath of fresh air, he does not have the political experience nor clout to really cause change. If progressives up north could equal El Comandante's election savvyness as he has done in the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, you would have effected long standing and truly progressive change many years ago. Only MS. Rodham-Clinton can accomplish this an more.

Worker.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:32 PM
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143. Thank you!
:kick:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:44 PM
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144. Not easy to do. Everyone has to find their own time to do it.
Welcome aboard.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:08 AM
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145. FYI To Those who've said that I ...
...should vote for Hillary or step aside.

The Maine State Democratic Party informed me yesterday that I am free to vote for Obama on the floor of the state convention.

My conscience was always clear on this, but it was nice to hear it from the party.
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