Brazille tells angry Clinton supporters: "You are destroying her Candidacy"

[powergirl]

I'll give two links for this one. First, is a Ben Smith article that describes the emails.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Inside_Donna_Braziles_blackberry.html

"Commmenters on the fiercely pro-Hillary site HillaryIs44 have posted a couple of e-mails from Donna Brazile that capture some of the e-mail heat that superdelegates are taking -- in her case, from Clinton supporters angry at what they see as her stealth support for Obama in an op-ed calling on Hillary to stop throwing elbows.

"Brazile responded to one angry e-mail:

"Do you know how many undeclared supers are now just turned off by people like you? Do you understand you’re hurting her and not promoting Hillary? Perhaps that explains why a candidate like Obama has raised $40 million in one month. You don’t have to e-mail me again."
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"I spoke to Brazile just now, who confirmed that she's been shocked by the volume of "toxic" e-mails and responded to some of them."

Second link - these are some of the actual emails being sent between Donna Brazille and Clinton supporters:

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=558#comment-133132

Emails from Donna to Clinton Supporters:

"ohhhh i must have struck a cord with DB!!
I just got 2 emails from her LOL

"1st one: I have not endorsed. So, please do not assume a thing about my conscience but I can honestly say this: no one who provoke this kind of anger in voters deserves to be President.

"Honestly, I am so tired of Hillary’s supporters and I believe the vast right wing is also behind these rants.

"Do you know how many undeclared supers are now just turned off by people like you? Do you understand you’re hurting her and not promoting Hillary? Perhaps that explains why a candidate like Obama has raised $40 million in one month. You don’t have to email me again.

"I am not worthy of your anger or rants. Besides, I head home to Louisiana and I get enough from my own hard working friends and family members."

"2nd one: I just sent Hillary a private email telling her that supporters like you are destroying her candidacy."

Below are some posts from Clinton supporters about Donna:

"Well, please for god’s sake, I’m asking you stop contacting this women. She’s cherry picking everything you say and sending it to SD’s. Please, this is not helping."

"I must say I agree with Birdgal. Donna Brazile, like her or not, is one tough lady. She is much more interested in an open to speaking to questions of process. Bashing, accusing, blaming will not go over with her AT ALL. And, REMEMBER, when and if Hillary gets the nomination, Brazile will fight for her too. She is like that. We cannot totally gut punch all the time. As birdgal says, we will sound more like Republicans or MSM or the netroots campaign folks if we scream.

"Be polite, be civil. As I said last night, Donna is a Bees-to-honey person, not a bees-to-vinegar one."

It is interesting to read all of those pro Clinton blogs. It appears that even they are worried about the venom of her supporters and how it is hurting Clinton and the Democrats.


:bounce:

[LisaM]

1. Donna must not read DU......

Maybe she hasn't seen Hillary supporters being called vile scum, ugly harpies, and so on.......

[ronnykmarshall]

2. and told that we're mental.

See my new sig line.

A little love note I got in a PM last night.

[LisaM]

3. Ha ha ha ha ha.......

I went to a delegate gathering last night and I'll tell you one thing I noticed about the BO people - no sense of humor. None. It was kind of creepy, to tell you the truth.

[damntexdem]

11. That's terrible! They should be expelled from the BO camp for humorlessness!

No one without a sense of humor should even be allowed to vote!

;-)

Well, actually, to be an American voter, does tend to require a sense of humor.

[LisaM]

15. It just speaks to a type of person, frankly.

People who are humorless don't tend to be very flexible in their thinking. I would count GWB in this group. He cracks these weird jokes that aren't funny, and cackles at them himself, while everyone else is wondering what the joke is. But what he's doing isn't really laughing, either.

[catgirl]

32. Boy, you sound really open minded

and clever. Just kidding.

[Ino]

26. What? They didn't think lying about being under sniper fire was funny?

Imagine that!

[catgirl]

31. Oh how creepy

that you would say such a ridiculous thing. I can imagine that you
were telling jokes (sniper jokes?) and they just weren't funny?

[mkultra]

67. where you making black jokes?

[Kahuna]

77. Hum. Says you. Why is it totally the opposite on DU? The Obamas

have a sense of humor while the hillarites are on the ready to attack anyone who doesn't luv hillary as sexist and other bad things?

[tammywammy]

16. Someone sent that to you in PM?!?!?!

What a jerk!

I know I loves me some ronnykmarshall. :loveya:

[ronnykmarshall]

18. Thanky!!

:loveya: Back

[Adelante]

57. That's awful

I hope you alerted on that, Ronny.

[ShortnFiery]

6. If only DU were FOX News, you could get all us perceived offending Obama Supporters SUSPENDED?

Wow, HRC and her surrogates are constantly "feigning outrage" and it is just morphing into sadness. :(

Sorry, I can't stay aghast over WANNABE PUNISHMENTS when the harsh comments speak "the truth." :shrug:

[damntexdem]

7. Look again at what DB says.

She's explaining WHY such things are said of many HRC supporters.

[powergirl]

8. She's talking about the Superdelegates

She said the Clinton supporters are offending the Superdelegates. She's not talking about Obama supporters being offended - which they are. Clinton supporters hurt Clinton. Even the Clinton supporters on the blog agree with this. Just read the posts and the link

[AX10]

38. Brazille is soldily in the camp of Obama.

[The River]

4. She Doesn't Need "Help" Hurting Her Candidacy

but if her supporters here are any indication,
then yes, they do far more harm than good.

[ecstatic]

42. that's so true nt

[Cha]

5. What!? hilary and all her supporters are just the

nicest things..never lie, never get vicious, never lie, and never smear Obama with lies..and most of all they are never vicious.

[SoCalDem]

14. and ..teh luvz teh pollz & teh mathz

and they love to post them over and over and over and over and over and over..

especially :loveya: Rasmussen & Fox polls

[HCE SuiGeneris]

24. "Glory Days!"

[shrub chipper]

9. I've read at hillaryis44 a couple of times

and, frankly, I'm amazed that most of them have the intellectual capacity to email and be on teh Internets.

It's pretty scary.

[BlueIdaho]

10. Time for a little personal responsibility kids

Own your own stuff - stop blaming others for your feelings and your actions. You are responsible for you. If you find this or any place a hurtful place - go somewhere else.

[Metric System]

12. Sending vile emails to Donna Brazile accomplishes nothing. At the same time she is clearly an Obama

supporters so I don't know why she doesn't just go ahead and endorse rather than pretend to be neutral. If you've seen her appearances on CNN you know she always seems to put forth the Obama camp's talking points. Plus, I don't see how statements like "Perhaps that explains why a candidate like Obama has raised $40 million in one month" help party unity or encourage good feelings.

[LisaM]

19. I know; she's not fooling anyone

OTOH, who needs her? She was a horrible spokesperson for Gore. How she got as high up in the ranks as she has is a mystery. Everytime she starts to talk, I cringe. I know she's going to talk R-E-A-L-L-Y slowly (which is a pet peeve of mine, I admit) and she's not going to say anything much.

Every time she opens her mouth, I know it's going to be a dig at Hillary. Though her statment that she's going to leave the party if the super delegates decide things gives me some hope that she'll leave (and, if she feels that way, perhaps she, as a super delegate herself, should decline to cast a vote so she won't affect the outcome).

What Obama supporters fail to understand, is that the super delegates are probably going to decide it either way.

[powergirl]

21. Many southern folks speak slower than other regions of the country

I'm from Texas and I'm one of the faster talkers around here but slower than my friends up north. Most of my southern brethren, like Jimmy Carter, speak slowly. It's part of our charm. :toast:

[LisaM]

27. I know, I know. I admit it's a pet peeve.

Though Donna's "charm" is certainly debatable. The problem with her is that she loads up as if she's going to say something really meaningful and she never does, which is not true of Jimmy Carter, that's for sure!

[LaurenG]

70. what if she was making the above statement about Obama supporters and

was supporting Senator Clinton? Would you like her better then? All I can say is at least she supports a democrat.

[madfloridian]

28. That is just a very ugly comment. I have a southern accent.

And your implications are stunning.

Donna is a good spokesperson, and the hatred toward her is unbelievable.

[catgirl]

34. I like listening to Donna Brazille

I like her accent and she's outside of the box. Funny, she gives
good advice to Clinton supporters and they bash her for it. This
is one of the reasons Clinton's losing.

[madfloridian]

35. So do I...me and my lil ole southern accent.

I do like her, and I can't believe a person is ridiculing the way she talks.

[book_worm]

13. Neither side should be trying to pressure the super delegates. I hope they end the super delegate

process in 2012.

[Adelante]

17. There are decent supporters on that site

Putting down this behavior. We should note it's not all as represented in the emails cited.

[SOS]

20. Brazile nails it

"I believe the vast right wing is also behind these rants."

The "supporters" who do nothing but embarrass Clinton are not actually supporters.

[redqueen]

22. Yup. (nt)

[HooptieWagon]

23. Yes, although hillary has dig her grave

it is her angry supporters who are shovelling the dirt in on her candidacy. Hopefully, some of these same looneytunes are the ones writing AAR to call for Randi's firing... as I posted in another thread, that is likely to result in Randi's reinstatement and a large raise.

[autorank]

25. Donna, it's called free speech. We need more of it now less.

These are adults. They can say what they want. The supporters are legitimately reacting to a hard
fought, high stakes campaign.

Donna, people are sick of folks like you who tell us how to behave. You, of all people, had a chance
to change history as head of the DNC voting rights institute and YOU DID NOTHING. Shame on you and
let the people speak with out carping about how they speak.

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. Oh, so now you want to infringe on Donna's right to speech?

Can you honestly not see that SD's are not taking kindly to being bullied by the Clintonistas? Isn't there the slightest chance that true liberals and progressives were turned off by the steady inevitability meme we were treated to, for an entire year, while there were still 8 or 9 good people in the race? I hope Hillary is rebuffed, and rebuffed so soundly that she never sticks her head up again.

[autorank]

55. Not at all.

I'm fine with her saying this and me disagreeing.

If you want to talk about Clinton bullying, ask the Iraqi civilians who endured the
UN embargo and got bombed every day by Bill Clinton.

Also see http://tinyurl.com/3qolk2

[madfloridian]

33. I am using my free speech to agree with Donna Brazile.

She is courageous to have said that.

More and more are feeling the same way.

[autorank]

54. I'm all for your free speech.

But the Clinton people, who would probably find me objectionable, get to spout off too.

It's the US of A. I'm not a fan of Hillary, not in the least;)

See: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0803/S00475.htm

[quakerboy]

58. They are free to "spout off"

they should just be aware that words often have an effect.

[autorank]

59. ... the lack of freedom has a bigger effect

:)

[madfloridian]

30. Good for Donna. I see people in this thread now ridiculing southern accents

and since I have one, I resent it.

Donna is 100% right.

[powergirl]

37. Didn't Sen. Clinton shift into a southern drawl when she

was campaigning in some southern states? Just askin'. :shrug:

[madfloridian]

39. Don't know, but I find it insulting. Making fun of Donna's accent?

I really have a drawl, so I would really be made fun of.

[powergirl]

47. Me too

I've got my Texas thing goin' on. I think there is some regional backlash to the Clinton campaign. She became the Sen. of New York, even though she is a midwesterner and Clinton got caught up in that snobbish divide between northern and southern democrats. Remember the Mississippi comments? So, making fun of southern accents only reinforces that divide.

[woolldog]

53. I think southern accents are cute.

I like the way DB talks. Keep your head up.

[Major Hogwash]

73. Donna worked on getting rid of her accent for years while in Washington.

To be honest, I don't hear it too much these days.
But, ya know, once she gets back to Louisiana, she will pick it right back up.
It's contagious.

[Catherina]

79. That was so fake

:rofl:

[BzaDem]

36. Give me a break. She's saying that it's Clinton's fault that her supporters are enthusiastic?

"but I can honestly say this: no one who provoke this kind of anger in voters deserves to be President."

What crap. Anyone who honstly blames a candidate for their supporters doesn't deserve to be a superdelegate.

Actually, she already doesn't deserve to be a superdelegate. She chose to waive the rules for New Hampshire, and exceed the default penalization rules for MI and FL. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/opinion/19levin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin). Becauese MI and FL would probably go against her candidate of choice.

[Araxen]

44. Enthusiastic

That's what you call vile, venomous, hateful support is called now?

[anonymous171]

40. God that site is disgusting. It isn't even pro-Clinton nowadays, now it's just anti-Obama

[americanstranger]

68. The entire Clinton campaign has been like that for some time.

It hasn't been about building up their candidate, just tearing down her opposition.

I'll be a happy guy the day Obama wins the nomination so the nastier Clinton supporters will finally STFU.

- as

[ecstatic]

41. Great advice from Donna. Most people would just ignore

and tune out, but Donna is actually trying to help the HilloHeads.

[PBS Poll-435]

43. What would she know about winning ??

[kerry-is-my-prez]

48. bwah-ha-ha!

so true...

[PBS Poll-435]

49. A'int it.

Donna: You are due in make-up in 10 minutes over at CNN. HURRY!

[autorank]

56. "Been down so long, it seems like up."

[Lucky 13]

45. DAAAAAAAMN! She told you!

[Araxen]

46. The same people that sent trashy emails to Donna

are in this thread now prolly trashing her again. They never learn. Donna is a true blue democrat and will not bail out if Hillary or Obama wins the nomination. She will be firmly behind either candidate. You guys should think before you post.

[BlueIdaho]

50. This just in - Donna Brazille now dead to all Clinton supporters! nt.

[Dr Fate]

51. Wow- hard to believe Brazille is on the right side of an issue for a change...

She must be trying to remain relevant. I hope she doesnt "help" Obama the way she and the other entrenched "strategists" have "helped" DEMS in 2000, 2002 & 2004.

In any event, she has a point for once- the arm twisting is a turn-off.

[Barack_America]

52. *snort*

Keep up the good work, Hillaryis44!

:rofl:

[WinkyDink]

60. I never could stand that needs-to-blow-her-nose Brazile.

[FlaGranny]

61. Question?

I distinctly remember Donna Brazile being introduced as a Clinton supporter - more than once. Has she switched her support to Obama or is she just telling Clinton supporters to cool it? Or am I just suffering from "oldtimer's syndrome"?

[McCamy Taylor]

62. Ooo. Donna is a Clinton supporter. If she supported Obama, she would tell HIS guys that.

The NYT poll that showed Democratic voters now tied on Hillary and Obama, erasing his wide lead from Feb. and which showed negativity rising reflects a Democratic perception that Obama is behind the Hillary hit pieces that we see on Countdown like Bosnia-sniper, which Democrats believe are being used in place of a discussion of real issues like the economy.

So, by not warning Obama supporters, Donna is giving them the green light to keep shooting their man in the foot, while signaling to Hillary's group to take the high ground and focus on issues.

Very sneaky. Just what you would expect from a stealth HIllary supporter and Democratic Party insider.

[Life Long Dem]

63. Now Donna is on the Hillary hate list. Jeez.

[Willo]

64. The difference that I see between Hillary Clinton and some of her supporters

is that she knows the facts about where she is in the race and listens to advice on how she should present herself.
Her approach and/or the advice may not always be wise or helpful, but you can tell she is aware.

Some of the Clinton supporters don't have all of the facts. For example, Hillary Clinton and the SDs have all of the facts about the FL and MI fiasco. The stories being told to the media and public are for the sole purpose of gaining voter support. The SDs have no reason to get involved with Hillary Clinton trying to garner votes on her behalf. She cannot use that method in her direct approach to the SDs for support and she doesn't. But, some of her supporters do.

"Show a different image" Hillary, some advise. We then see softer, harder, tougher, the woman approach, the rocky approach. She listened and she tried. When the report is not good, she stops it.

An SD says to a supporter "you are not helping her" so the SD is ALSO dismissed as no longer worth listening to.
At what point do you step back and consider that maybe, just maybe its not helping her?

I'm stymied by it and I don't support her. I don't know. Keep banging your heads against that mountain to make it fall. Ignore the pain and the results. Just hit it harder and longer.

[Colobo]

65. Don't let them bully you, Donna!

[LaurenG]

66. I could care less what her supporters say

They support her and are fighting to get her into office, that I understand well. It's Senator Clinton I can't understand. What is up with her ego and all the maneuvering to be something she isn't. All she needs to do is Shut Up and give PERSONAL experiences of HERS that are the truth. She had so much going for her but she screwed herself, ALL.BY.HERSELF.

[americanstranger]

69. Personal experiences that are the truth? Like what?

All she needs to do is Shut Up and give PERSONAL experiences of HERS that are the truth.

I can hear it now....

'...And then Bill and I made 20 million dollars!'

or

'They handed me the NIE and told me to read it - but I didn't!'

Sheah, that'll work. :rofl:

- as

[LaurenG]

71. Ok fine, but you know she has something...

:rofl:

[anamandujano]

72. This describes Obama to a T.

I can honestly say this: no one who provoke this kind of anger in voters deserves to be President.

[LaurenG]

74. Why, why does he provoke anger in Senator Clinton's supporters?

can someone from the Clinton camp please answer this?

[americanstranger]

75. Because it was HER TURN, dammit!!!

Obama didn't show respect for her by bowing out and letting her run unopposed!

It was her turn. Obama spoiled everything.

- as

[madfloridian]

78. Someone actually said that to me, seriously.

Usually they skirt the edges...but they just said it out loud.

This was Hillary's time for two terms, he should have waited....it is all his fault they said.

[Bensthename]

80. "Perhaps that explains why a candidate like Obama has raised $40 million in one month"

YUP

[SunsetDreams]

76. Can't say I blame her...

It is so true, most people don't take too kindly to being strong armed.

[Arkana]

81. As much as I dislike Brazile for wrecking Al Gore's campaign,

I think the shit spewed about her on that cesspit Hillaryis44 is disgraceful--and she should ignore it instead of giving them free attention.