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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:01 AM
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"It's the Deregulation, Stupid!"- As Americans lose homes they can thank Clinton Admin!
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 01:04 AM by FrenchieCat

Banking Deregulation - The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999


President Clinton signed the legislation in December 1999.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/banks/index.htm

The Glass-Steagall Act was, in fact, a primary target of the Clinton-era deregulation effort. An early piece of New Deal-era legislation, the act was passed in response to speculation and manipulation of the markets by huge banking firms, which most liberal economists believed had brought on the crash of 1929.

Glass-Steagall imposed firewalls between commercial banking and investment banking, and between the banking, brokerage, and insurance industries. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks lobbying and campaign contributions, "Eager to create financial supermarkets that peddle everything from checking accounts to auto insurance, the three industries for years have lobbied Congress to streamline regulatory hurdles that bar such operations."
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2008/03/deregulation-economic-crisis-2.html



Clinton, Republicans agree to deregulation of US financial system (November 1999)
By Martin McLaughlin
1 November 1999

An agreement between the Clinton administration and congressional Republicans, reached during all-night negotiations which concluded in the early hours of October 22, sets the stage for passage of the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, lifting virtually all restraints on the operation of the giant monopolies which dominate the financial system.

The proposed Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 would do away with restrictions on the integration of banking, insurance and stock trading imposed by the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, one of the central pillars of Roosevelt's New Deal. Under the old law, banks, brokerages and insurance companies were effectively barred from entering each others' industries, and investment banking and commercial banking were separated.
<>
As a recent history of that era notes: "The more than five thousand bank failures between the Crash and the New Deal's rescue operation in March 1933 wiped out some $7 billion in depositors' money. Accelerating foreclosures on defaulted home mortgages—150,000 homeowners lost their property in 1930, 200,000 in 1931, 250,000 in 1932—stripped millions of people of both shelter and life savings at a single stroke and menaced the balance sheets of thousands of surviving banks" (David Kennedy, Freedom from Fear, Oxford University Press, 1999, pp. 162-63).

The separation of banking and the stock exchange was ordered in response to revelations of the gross corruption and manipulation of the market by giant banking houses, above all the House of Morgan, which organized huge corporate mergers for its own profit and awarded preferential access to share issues to favored politicians and businessmen. Such insider trading played a major role in the speculative boom which preceded the 1929 crash.

Over the past 20 years the restrictions imposed by Glass-Steagall have been gradually relaxed under pressure from the banks, which sought more profitable outlets for their capital, especially in the booming stock market, and which complained that foreign competitors suffered no such limitations to their financial operations. In 1990 the Federal Reserve Board first permitted a bank (J.P. Morgan) to sell stock through a subsidiary, although stock market operations were limited to 10 percent of the company's total revenue. In 1996 this ceiling was lifted to 25 percent. Now it will be abolished.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01_prn.shtml



Friendly Takeover


By common consent, the most influential figure setting the economic course of the Democratic Party is banker Robert Rubin. But his counsel isn't likely to help either the Democrats, their constituents, or the economy.

As Clinton's top economic adviser, Rubin's dubious counsel included making the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) a priority over health reform (Hillary Clinton's objections notwithstanding
<>
Rubin's crowning achievement was the repeal of the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act, which had separated largely unregulated and more speculative investment banks like Goldman Sachs from government-supervised and -insured commercial banks like Citi, which play a key role in the nation's monetary policy. Glass-Steagall was designed to prevent the kinds of speculative conflicts of interests that pervaded Wall Street in the 1920s and helped bring about the Great Depression (and reappeared in the 1990s).

Glass-Steagall was steadily weakened by regulatory exceptions under three administrations going back to George Bush Senior. The premise was that tearing down the regulatory walls would promote competition. But the effect was to create greater concentration and renewed opportunities for insider enrichment.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=12573


More details here........

Banking Deregulation and Clinton


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/17/111317/927/194/475756

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:01 AM
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1. NEVAR FORGET! CLINTONIAN DEREGULATION!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 03:11 AM
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25. NEVAR! NEVAR!
:crazy:
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:40 PM
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34. Hey man this is no laughing matter. The fallout from that foolish move
is about to kick this country square in the nuts. See you in the bread lines, bright boy!:banghead:
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CatnHat Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:01 AM
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2. Stick It
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:03 AM
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3. Care to debate the issue?
Didn't think so.

More of the same. :eyes:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:08 AM
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5. "Stick it"?
that is what the middle class has been doing after
their policies with NAFTA, the Telecomm bill and banking laws.

Look at Hillary's stance on internet freedom
It is not pretty.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:12 AM
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7. as in "where'd my trillion $ go?" - "stick it!"
Who wants to know, anyway!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:06 AM
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4. I haven't read your threads, but I tend to think the * admin hasn't helped
a bit. This might be a stretch. Would it have happened w/o a warmonger in office instead of someone like Al Gore?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:14 AM
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9. You should read it.......as it has everything to do with today's economy.....
Just like NAFTA and the CHINA trade bill have something to do with the outsourcing of jobs.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:18 AM
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11. This is not the best time to blame Clin.. or is it?
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 01:19 AM by babylonsister
I think she's doomed for her dishonesty and just not being that popular anymore. That works for me.
But I don't like Bill anymore either, and for different reasons.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:17 AM
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10. There has been enough posts on economics over the years
on DU ............. NO stretch....... See the Clintons Taxes
after 2000 if she reveals them.

It will not be pretty.

Follow the money.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:09 AM
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6. K&R, for how little known this is. Thanks.
But there were also a legion of economists, Greenspan at the fore, who somehow either thought this was good idea or whistled tunes while their pockets got stuffed...

I agree that we are unlikely to see any fiscal responsibility with a McCain admin ("don't know econ - just doin what they tell me"), or with Hillary, more of the same.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:22 AM
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12. True......more of the same......
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 01:27 AM by FrenchieCat
DLC policies is why Bill Clinton is known in some circles as the "Best Republican President" we had.

Between the Telecom Act of 1996, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996

this Banking Deregulation bill,

the beginning of the Bankruptcy laws being tightened up under the Clinton Admin
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/clinton-and-the-bankruptcy-law/,

NAFTA http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n22_v45/ai_14667450

and the China Trade Bill http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/10/clinton.pntr/

Welfare Reform Act http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=1996_Welfare_Reform_Act

and DOMA http://visiblevote08.logoonline.com/2008/03/24/mtvu-calls-out-bill-clinton-on-doma/

Was there anything that Bill Clinton signed that was progressive? :shrug:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:55 PM
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31. Senator Clinton has already said that she wants to see
Greenspan oversee the Mortgage crisis
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:13 AM
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8. The Clintons laid the groundwork
for a lot of the problems we have today, from deregulation to the loss of our manufacturing base to Iraq and the non-existent WMD. Originally, policy was the only reason I didn't want Hillary. It wasn't until she started her scorched earth campaign that I realized that her character was as bad as the truth about their policies.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:22 AM
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13. K&R!!!
:kick:
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:23 AM
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14. My God.
OK. My jaw is sitting on the floor. Thanks for this post, Frenchie. And now I'm beginning to think things really ARE going to be bad. Great Depression redux...
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:25 AM
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15. Movement Conservatism is the root of all of this
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 01:28 AM by Wetzelbill
Jimmy Carter was a deregulator too. Not in this industry, but that concept coincided with the rise of MC and the far right shift of the Republican party, which drug the debate in that direction and made a more liberal Democratic party go in that direction too. The other parallel this goes with is economist Milton Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" who espoused deregulation and supply-side economics. It's real laissez-faire stuff, and they started their little petri dish experiments in Chile after Allende was overthrown by Pinochet. They deregulated everything and started calling it an economic miracle. By the time Jimmy came around deregulation was starting to become en vogue, then after Reagan and then Bush Sr, Bill Clinton followed much of this same general philosophy. He wasn't as bad as Reagan or Dubya, but he definitely governed to the Right on many economic issues. Certainly deregulating the financial industry was part of it.

On edit:

I do sense much of it was because Bill wanted to get stuff done. He was cozy with Big Business, but he also governed to the Right, often because Movement Conservatives had taken over the House and the Senate at different times when he was in office. This is probably an example of him wanted to get legislation passed that he could actually get passed. Sort of like his work on immigration and welfare.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:30 AM
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16. Note to anyone leaning towards "laissez-faire": read Tuchman's "The Proud Tower"
The first few chapter will give you a picture of all the unregulated corporate industrial culture, and its inevitable results, that anyone should need.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:36 AM
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18. Greg Palast always does a good job on it too
He talked about it quite a bit throughout his work. Here is a sample chapter from "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" in which he outlines some good facts on Chile and so on.

Sell the Lexus, Burn the olive tree
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:i1trKb75cMUJ:www.alluvium.com/~denizen/stuff-of-note/Sell%2520The%2520Lexus%2520-%2520Burn%2520the%2520Olive%2520Tree.pdf+%22Kill+the+lexus+and+burn+the+olive+tree%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&ie=UTF-8
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:43 AM
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20. Yep....Great book!
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:34 AM
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17. Oh, this is going to be something
:popcorn:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:37 AM
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19. Hillary takes her Moral Advice
From a lawyer that was DISBARRED for lying that he didn't contest.

Bill, bite my lip, point my finger at you, Clinton.

I'm sorry, if bill admitted he lied, to the courts and to the nation.
But, I'm really sorry you haven't been paying attention.


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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:20 AM
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22. That is trivial compared to NAFTA and all the damaging deregulation n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 03:10 AM
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24. It all goes hand in hand..........
just add it to the rest, and it equals why we are where we are today.....to a large measure.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:08 AM
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21. Some one asked if Clinton ever signed any progressive legislation...
I doubt it. Clinton's administration is largely responsible for the housing melt down. Bush finished the country off with Iraq.

The last thing we need is Hillary in the WH.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:31 PM
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33. I can only think of the Cops bill, and there may have been some
Child insurance bill. But I can't come up with much else. Maybe there are other who can help with that. :shrug:
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:20 AM
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23. K&R
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 03:12 AM
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26. ohmygod! IT'S STILL ALL CLINTON'S FAULT
You sound like the republicans.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:41 PM
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35. Do I? Maybe it is Clinton who acted as a Republican.......
Ever thought about that?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 05:26 AM
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27. it would be FAR more accurate to blame the deregulation on the REPUBLICANS
and then perhaps to say that bill clinton didn't, or couldn't, do enough to stop them.

he didn't campaign on republican themes, but when faced with a strong republican congressional majority and press, he went along with portions of their agenda while slowing down others.

one can then debate about whether he really could have done more in that environment.

but he certainly didn't aggressively PUSH for this kind of stuff. THAT was all on the republicans.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 07:06 AM
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28. I wish it were so.
The DLC was actively involved in deregulation. They wanted to be "business friendly", and they weren't too concerned about a bunch of silly rules that got in the way of people making money.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:48 PM
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29. You'll have to come up with better than that, in terms of supporting sources,
to disavow the DLC's contribution to deregulation. Bill was the founder of the Centrist DLC movement which stood for the party that could raise big money from Corporation, just like the Republicans....and indeed, they acted very much just like the Republicans, in terms of their fiscal policies. That's just the truth. :shrug:
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:57 PM
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30. And guess who Hillary's economic advisor is?
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 01:02 PM by Mme. Defarge
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5343553

"Obama has Paul Volcker as economic adviser -- he mopped up the stagflation of the '70s with 'tough love' of higher interest rates.

Hillary has Robert Rubin -- who demolished the last vestiges of Glass-Steagel which opened up the flood gates of securitizing loans and the current subprime (and now prime) credit crisis."
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:30 PM
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32. Yep. I noticed.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:02 AM
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36. A.) you can blame the speculators who drove the price of a $100,000 home up to $150,000-$175,000
B.) You can blame the dumb asses who bought more home than they could afford
C.) You can blame unscrupulous realtors, builders,lenders, and assessors for creating a housing bubble in the first place
D.) You can blame the chumps who defaulted on their loans once they realized the bubble burst and they were going to have to pay $150,000 for a $100,000 house (not including the interest).
E.) You can blame the Bush administration for the inflation that exacerbates the mortgage crisis
F.) You can blame the Bush administration for creating an economy that is tantamount to the perfect fucking storm.
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:03 PM
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37. That's funny, Paul Krugman says otherwise.
But then, I guess he couldn't possibly know as much as a member of the Obama Fan Base.
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