Hanoi Jane Drops Barack Bomb

[CatWoman]

Obama may have just hit Barack bottom. Jane Fonda has thown her spandex behind the Senator from Illinois, and the Senator from New York couldn't be happier.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/04/02/whos-hanoi-jane-backin-for-08/

[Rob Gregory Browne]

1. Much ado about nothing... nt

[Tellurian]

181. Murdock's daughter throwing a Fundraiser for Obama too?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Have another glass of kool-aid. You're looking abit sallow.

:spray:

[NYCGirl]

2. Scaife, is that you?

"Hanoi Jane"? Are you really a right winger, or do you just play one on DU?

[democrattotheend]

3. "Hanoi Jane"?

That sounds like a headline you'd see at Free Republic?

[tammywammy]

11. It's the headline from TMZ

[NYCGirl]

13. Still, the OP didn't have to quote it directly. This isn't "Latest Breaking News",

this is GD-P. Or, she might've looked for a less-freeperish take on the whole thing.

[CatWoman]

22. Christ...............

[Forkboy]

35. LOL...hopw dare you use an actual headline. This is GD-P..we demand spin!

Get it right next time! :spank:

:loveya:

[CatWoman]

42. I swear, these people are fucking certifiable.

[Forkboy]

47. They need a truckload of BenGay for those knees they're jerking.

:)

[CatWoman]

50. LOLOLOL

DEEP.............................

HEATING.......................................................

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

52. Then they should try some PCP and whiskey.

Fuck it, they're being idiots already. It can only help. :)

[DemBones DemBones]

238. . . .

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Catherina]

211. You have to admit it was confusing

If you'd put it in quotes you would have saved 5 precious minutes from my life because I was going to bite your head off before I checked.

:hi:

[CatWoman]

222. ah, but that's what links are for

no?

:hi:

[DemBones DemBones]

237. Some people never click links, never read the article,

and some don't even read the OP, just the header, before attacking the poster. It's crazy.

:hi: CatWoman

[CatWoman]

243. How's it going, DB?

:hi:

every time I open this thread, I pour a :beer:, light a :smoke:, and laugh my ass off :)

[golddigger]

171. Lmfao...

:rofl:

[WinkyDink]

192. Well, to be fair, there ARE such things as "quotation marks".

[DemBones DemBones]

240. And there IS such a thing as clicking the LINK and READING the article BEFORE

spouting off that someone is connected to Scaife, especially a poster who's been here for many years like CatWoman has.

[VolcanoJen]

114. ZOMG ZOMG Catwoman is a freeper Scaife wingnut!!!1111

:rofl: :rofl:

[CatWoman]

184. That's R. Mellon to you!!!

Harumph!!!

:hi:

[Jamastiene]

199. My aunt, who was in the army during Viet Nam, told me to

tell you not to let them get to you. She is a lifelong Dem and has NEVER voted Republican and she calls Jane Fonda the same thing.

[CatWoman]

225. Jama,

to be perfectly honest, I really don't know WHAT these people's gripes/problems are.

There are at least 10 slurs thrown my way, one of which is for using the name "Hanoi Jane" (which, I might add, I did not as I just copied it from the site).

These fuckers need to get out more.

[tammywammy]

23. You're right, I would have used a different title

But it's not like CatWoman just made it up, it's the title of the article.

[LostinVA]

99. I don't think you had to smear Catwoman with the Freeper Implication Brush

[Jamastiene]

200. I HAD thought that was against the rules for someone to do

that but we all know now that anything goes here in the pit.

[Bucky]

195. Since when did quoting a headline imply agreement?

Honestly, NYC Girl, you don't have to work so hard at being offended in GDP. There are plenty of opportunities to be pissed off that don't require projecting fictional beliefs onto somebody else.

[CatWoman]

198. Bucky

I swear to God -- I'm "still" trying to figure that one out :shrug:

[Buzz Clik]

64. She repeated it without quotation marks. It's now hers.

I also detected no attempt by CatWoman to distance herself from that label.

It's childish.

[Name removed]

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[Bake]

125. If you've REALLY been around here since 2003

you'd know that Cat is ANYTHING BUT a freeper, and you ought to be TS'ed for suggesting otherwise. I suggest you step away from the Kool-Aid ...

Bake

[CatWoman]

190. Bake - here's the deal

He/She/It never bothered to click on the link, and assumed the headline/OP body were "my" words.

Jumped the gun and made a complete fool of his/her/itself.

When confronted with reality, he/she/it refused to back down, and then tried to project his/her/its nonsense and stupidity on me.

Friends don't let friends post drunk.

give a hoot -- don't pollute :)

:hi:

[Forkboy]

191. .....

:rofl:

[Bake]

226. Hi back atcha, Cat!

Long time no see! C'mon over to the Lounge, where it's saner (if you can believe THAT!)

:hi:

Bake

[CatWoman]

194. I'm a freeper, you're a freeper, she's a freeper

he's a freeper, wouldn't you like to be a freeper too???

:rofl:

[struggle4progress]

227. It's everybody's favorite news source since Weekly World News died

[TahitiNut]

95. Yes. Hanoi Jane. She EARNED it.

As soon as she "played" anti-aircraft gunner (ha-ha - kill Americans - real funny) she totally lost ANY cred as a 'peace activist.'

There's NOTHING peaceful about pretending to shoot at U.S. planes. That ain't ANTI-war ... that's PRO-war and no "peacenik" would have EVER thought to do that. No way. No how.

I'm a Viet Nam veteran and I adore Joan Baez ... she walked the talk. Not Hanoi Jane.

Get off Catwoman's back! She doesn't share my disgust with Hanoi Jane. But Jane deserves it.

[leftynyc]

121. It embarasses me that people

are defending what she did. It was the textbook definition of treason. I went on anti-war marches with my parents twice and I remember my folks speaking about how if they didn't know better, they would have thought she was trying to help the republicans with that stunt.

[CRH]

134. Was she shooting down planes that were carpet bombing Laos and Cambodia?

I don't care whose planes they were, or if Henry Kissinger himself was the pilot, some crimes shouldn't survive the flak.

Jane was one of a few who voiced dissent during a time of extreme US government war crimes. That you were an innocent tool of foreign policy during this time should not diminish you, just as her stand against a government and society out of control, should not diminish her. Two sides and two different views.

[Jamastiene]

201. She sided with the enemy.

There is a difference between being anti war and siding with the enemy.

[Orsino]

206. There's a difference betweenwhatever the hell we were supposed to be doing in Vietnam...

...and the massacre of innocents it became.

"Sided with the enemy." Count me in.

[Warren Stupidity]

208. What enemy? Why were the people of vietnam our enemy?

Was there a war declared in secret?

[eridani]

216. Since when are people who never did anything to us enemies?

Our military doesn't invade them, and none of our guys get killed.

[truedelphi]

231. If a war is immoral, and if a war is unjust, what else does one do?

We broke the Nuremberg rule of law, we did things that were totally wrong.

I think at the tend of one's life, it would be easier to remember visiting a maternity ward in Hanoi, than remembering dropping bombs over a civilian population.

In fact, one time, one of Kissinger's young men said "We can't bomb that area. It is civilian."

Kissinger's response was simply "Reclassify it."

[redqueen]

141. deleted

[CatWoman]

188. *smooch*

:)

[Jamastiene]

197. Right.

There is a big huge difference between being against war and siding with the enemy. That was not funny then and it is not funny now. She earned that title.

[struggle4progress]

233. In the Vietnam era, Fonda did more to support GIs than most people:

Elizabethtown College News Release
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
1/19/05
Contact: Mary Dolheimer, director of marketing and media relations, 717-361-1587, [email protected]

‘Iraq, Vietnam, and the Dilemmas of Soldiers’ title of talk at Elizabethtown College

ELIZABETHTOWN, Pa. – “Iraq, Vietnam, and the Dilemmas of Soldiers” will be the title of a Feb. 1 talk at Elizabethtown College by James M. Skelly, senior fellow at Juniata College’s Baker Institute for Peace and Conflict Studies ...

Following his honorable discharge in 1971, Skelly worked with entertainers including Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland as the advance man and political coordinator for the “Free The Army” show, which was designed to encourage U.S. soldiers and sailors to freely express their opposition to continuation of the war in Southeast Asia. He subsequently served as executive director of The G.I. Office, Inc., an organization that Fonda had established to support soldiers through lobbying and counseling ...

http://www.etown.edu/Public.aspx?topic=Press+releases+-+Feb.+2006+-+Skelly

His focus: soldiers who dared to speak out
By Steven Rosen, Globe Correspondent
June 18, 2006

Named after a shock absorber for helicopters, the Oleo Strut was a meeting place and safe haven for soldiers from the nearby Fort Hood Army base to express their opinions about the war ... In 1971, Jane Fonda visited Oleo Strut with her touring F.T.A. revue. The initials stood alternately for ``Fun, Travel, and Adventure, ``Free the Army," or another, less-than-polite directive ...

Today, all this sounds suspiciously like a tall tale -- active-duty soldiers cheering Fonda for her opposition to the Vietnam War. There has been so much subsequent controversy about her 1972 trip to North Vietnam that it has obscured the support she once commanded.

Yet the proof is in ``Sir! No Sir!" The film uses footage from a 1972 documentary called ``F.T.A." -- only briefly in distribution before it was withdrawn -- that shows Fonda and her troupe before excited crowds of soldiers during shows near Asian military bases. There's a joke, for instance, about President Nixon calling for Marines to stop protesters from surging into the White House. Those protesters are the Marines, Nixon is told, and the soldiers laugh heartily ...

http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2006/06/18/his_focus_soldiers_who_dared_to_speak_out/

Fonda on Fonda
Mary Welch
January 1, 2007
.. Fonda opened and funded the Washington, D.C.-based G.I. Office, run by .. Donald Duncan.

“ We had a bevy of lawyers who received complaints from soldiers in all branches of the service who were being mistreated and denied their rights, ” she recalls. “ We would help them and often took what we learned to Congress for investigation” ...

'Sir! No Sir!'
The documentary "Sir! No Sir!" recalls how some Vietnam GIs opposed the war.
By Kenneth Turan, Times Staff Writer
May 5, 2006
... Donald Duncan, a decorated Green Beret .. left the military in 1966, after more than a year in Vietnam, so early there was "no movement to join." Duncan loved being a Green Beret but came to feel that "the problem I had was realizing that what I was doing was not good. I was doing it right, but I wasn't doing right" ...
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/cl-et-sir5may05,1,3089792.story?coll=la-promo-entnews

Interview with Vietnam Vet Dave Cline
... I remember Donald Duncan. When I was at college in Buffalo in the 1960s, he was the first military man I ever heard speak out against the war in Vietnam ...
http://www.talkaboutwars.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/messages/482426.html

[DemBones DemBones]

241. I've always wondered if someone put Jane up to that and, if so, who?

She certainly did not help the peace movement in the U.S. by going to Hanoi. I don't think even the VVAW supported her little trip to visit Uncle Ho. Her intentions may have been good but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Actions count more than intentions.

[lame54]

167. It should be "Colbert Jane"...

[Jamastiene]

196. Uhm, think again.

My aunt is a lifelong 67 year old Democrat, who has NEVER voted Republican, and she is a military veteran who was in the army during the time when Jane Fonda went into enemy territory and sided with them over our own country.

Regardless of how you feel about any war, you don't fucking go side with the enemy against your own. NEVER.

It makes you a fucking traitor in the eyes of those who are sacrificing and risking their lives so you can sit on your sorry ass in front of a keyboard and call someone else a goddamn FReeper.

Get over the "Hanoi Jane" reference. Many Democrats call her that too. You need to check your pissy attitude.

[Ron Green]

234. I'm a disabled US Army vet, and I disagree with you in the strongest way.

Jane Fonda demonstrated something that McNamara and his minions never allowed: The Vietnamese were not my enemy, McNamara and Westmoreland were. We were not risking our lives for any kind of "freedom" except that of the corporate fascists to continue on their grim way.

I honor Jane Fonda, her life, her work, her foibles and her honesty. Your kind of talk about "enemies" is what has brought us to Bush's war as well.

[Connie_Corleone]

4. And generation Y collectively asks, "Who's Jane Fonda?"

Hell, even my generation X is like "So what?"

[SemiCharmedQuark]

24. The hot older lady that hung all over Stephen Colbert?

[Buzz Clik]

67. When she started kissing Colbert, I almost started slobbering.

And I don't even like Jane Fonda.

:9 :silly:

[Mike Daniels]

31. Precisely

If Jane is remembered for anything now by most of the public it's for being the daughter of Henry Fonda and the ex-wife of Ted Turner.

I honestly can't think of a good movie she's been in since the late 80's.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

220. I just saw Monster-In-Law and it was surprisingly good....

But I agree that most people under thirty will have no idea what "Hanoi Jane" means.

[OzarkDem]

36. Are they really that ignorant?

Nah, I don't think so. Nice try, though.

[CTyankee]

88. Seriously. This is antiquated.

It may have worked with some Viet vets during the Kerry campaign but this is just too obsolete for anyone to think much of it.

BTW, Jane Fonda is a citizen. She has a right to her choice of nominee for our party...so sue me.

[Kahuna]

193. Uh..She played Lindsey Lohan's grandma in that movie. Duh.

;)

[DefenseLawyer]

5. I doubt the Senator from New York is happy.

Considering she is getting beaten like a drum in this election, and Jane Fonda's endorsement or lack thereof doesn't mean anything to anyone except right wing cranks that still call her "Hanoi Jane".

[last1standing]

6. This primary has turned you into something bad.

It's just ugly to see a post like this on DU and sad that it would come from someone who's been here so long. Maybe you should take some time to think about what this election is doing to you.

I'm really not meaning to be harsh or insult you, but this isn't what I used to see from you before this primary turned so cruel.

[Catherina]

10. She quoted the post. I had to go look to check but it's a quote n/t

[CatWoman]

27. I don't understand

1. what the hell you're talking about, and

2. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM????

I posted directly from TMZ.

Give me a fucking break, will you???

[endarkenment]

37. Give me a fucking break, will you???

no. You are beyond redemption.

[Forkboy]

40. Maybe you take some to read the link before jumping to kneeejerk conclusions.

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick! :eyes:

[rodeodance]

62. selective lecturing. tsk

[Forkboy]

175. I have to know if that was typed with a straight face?

[not_too_L8]

7. your

[Catherina]

8. Great!

:woohoo:

Jane Fonda is an inspiration to many progressives

[shadowknows69]

9. You mean the Jane Fonda that was pretty much a hero here on DU

For speaking out against the Iraq war and supporting Cindy Sheehan?

[Hugabear]

108. If she's supporting Obama, then she gets the Kennedy-Richardson treatment

Haven't you seen how Hillary supporters are quick to thrown anyone under the bus who stands in the way of their Manifest Destiny?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Now that's an endorsement that might make me rethink sitting this one out.

[NYCGirl]

17. Obama was also endorsed by Ms. Fonda's ex-husband, Tom Hayden.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080211/hayden

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. Yeah. I know.

I was once a "bodyguard" for Tom in his SDS days and still admire him.

But, I'm still skeptical about Obama. Hillary, has left me no doubt that I won't vote for her.

[sandnsea]

73. Have you watched Michelle speak?

I don't see how anybody could still think Obama is politics as usual after watching Michelle. These people are us.

[DerekJ]

14. Wait, Jane Fonda is a bad person now?!!!

"Fonda has served as an activist for many political causes, one of the most notable and controversial of which was her opposition to the Vietnam War. She has also protested the Iraq War and violence against women. She describes herself as a liberal and a feminist. "

BAD BAD BAD Fonda.

Get da fuck out of here.

[Ichingcarpenter]

39. Yes, the two time Academy Award Winner is known as Hanoi Jane around here

We use that title for Jane Fonda all the time here on DU.

[DerekJ]

53. You mean she is actually not liked here? I am surprised.

Yah I know she is a loose cannon. But why is she controversial.

[Ichingcarpenter]

70. It was

[Hugabear]

110. Sarcasm

"Hanoi Jane" is what you'd expect freepers to call Jane Fonda, not DUers.

[ronnykmarshall]

111. Did you click on the fucking article?

CW used the title from it.

Jesus Christ.

Fucking sticks are selling out right and left in here to shove up people's asses.

[DerekJ]

145. You are having early symptoms of a nervous breakdown..

I suggest a chill pill, a blood pressure pill, and an anti-depressant.

It will help.

Ah, my vocabulary of vulgar words will most likely eclipse yours. So let’s not start that war. :hi:

[ronnykmarshall]

150. You want to have a cuss off?

My dad was a lath and plaster contractor and I worked summers for him. I can out mother fucker any cock sucker on this god-damn plantet! :silly:

[tammywammy]

158. I expect you have this

:P

[ronnykmarshall]

160. I know what I want for Christmas!

[Name removed]

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[DerekJ]

185. You alerted the thread?!!

Loool

[OzarkDem]

41. No, just controversial

and also prone to speaking before she thinks.

[Vinca]

15. Until recently she was a Hillary supporter.

Guess she's seen the light like so many other people.

[Connie_Corleone]

16. It's 2008, folks.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

18. Baracknaphobia?

[dionysus]

19. and another Old-timer jumps the shark....

:( resorting to hit-and-run trollery...

[LostinVA]

101. It was neither hit-and-run nor trollery

Good grief.

[Bonobo]

20. Wow, so suddenly it's cool for DU'ers to sound like Right-Wing scumbags?

[leftynyc]

221. I don't know

Let's ask all of those who call Sen Clinton Shillary.

[Alexander]

21. Supposedly she endorsed Kerry, too...and most people here still voted for him.

Big deal.

[Swamp Rat]

25. LOLOLOL!!!!!

:rofl: CatWoman!!!!! :hi: :loveya: :hug:

[JTFrog]

28. Jane is dead to me. n/t

[Bonobo]

29. I keep expecting against hope to see a "negative" mark in the "recs" column.

If there were a way to do so, I'm sure many would be you the fuck off the stage, CatWoman.

Your personal shark has arrived.

[Name removed]

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[ulysses]

97. you've lost your mind.

I assume "be" = "boo"? Riiiiight.

The inmates are truly running the asylum.

[Irishonly]

30. I Love Jane Fonda

She's a strong, outspoken woman. Hanoi Jane is freeper talk.

[CatWoman]

33. I love Jane Fonda as well.

as for the "freeper talk", I don't have an opinion on that, one way or the other.

I posted this story because I thought it was nice to see Fonda has taken the side most didn't expect.

[OzarkDem]

45. Kind of surprising

considering Obama isn't what you would call a sterling advocate on women's issues. Not even close. I'm sure Jane has her reasons, whatever they are.

[CatWoman]

48. I think if it's good enough for Jane

it's good enough for me.

who am I to judge?

[OzarkDem]

65. I've no problem judging Obama on women's issues

ever notice how Obama's web site has sections for seniors, veterans, minorities/civil rights, etc. but no platform for women's issues?

In fact, you'll have a hard time finding any information on his web site about women's issues, rather surprising since they represent over half the US population and over half of the Dem party's base.

Is it any surprise he's not attracting many women voters?

[UALRBSofL]

131. OzarkDem GLBT's are non-inclusive on that site as well.

I have searched the whole site for his denouncement of DOMA that his followers tell me is one of his issues but I can't find it.
That being said, I'm not surprised at the amount of attraction of GLBT's to Clinton.

[Hepburn]

187. And....is one of Clinton's points that she plans to see DOMA repealed?

Let's face it: Gays are discriminated against and that is very wrong. But, if you think Hillary is gonna do anything to attack legislation that Bill put in place, IMO, you need to think about that again.

[tammywammy]

203. It's on his site

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

Click the "On the Issues" and this is what pops up (pdf) http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/lgbt.pdf

Repeal Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell
Obama believes we need to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. The key test for military service
should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Obama will work with military leaders
to repeal the current policy and ensure we accomplish our national defense goals.

[loyalsister]

170. How hard did you look?

http://women.barackobama.com/page/content/WFOhome

[Irishonly]

81. She Did

I am the odd one out in my family. I am related to a whole bunch of neocons and since Nam have always referred to her as Hanoi Jane. :shrug: One is so bad she has never seen On Golden Pond.

[Hieronymus]

38. Hear hear. It's to be expected from freepers and some Hillary supporters.

[CatWoman]

58. LOL

You folks are batting 200, I'll give you that.

[rodeodance]

209. ha ha--be sure to give jane a good welcome

[endarkenment]

34. you are beyond redemption

thanks for polluting DU with your rightwing garbage.

[CatWoman]

43. and thanks for allowing me the opportunity to tell you

to go jump in a lake.

[Forkboy]

44. Bah...she's a million times better than you'll be on your best day.

[endarkenment]

79. whatever.

my posts may be stupid and worthless but I have never been this dishonest and manipulative. Go ahead support total shameless flamebait crap. Have fun with that.

[Forkboy]

139. Yeah yeah

but I have never been this dishonest and manipulative

So how dishonest and manipulative HAVE you been then?

[americanstranger]

46. Well, we got the 60s radical vote all locked up.

Like this matters.

- as

[Forkboy]

49. Says the guy with the Vince Foster quote.

:rofl:

[CatWoman]

51. The full moon is certainly having an effect, is it not?

:)

[americanstranger]

57. Yeah, my knee jerked.

Gotta get that looked at. :D

- as

[americanstranger]

54. I edited. Caught myself.

The Foster quote is there from one of my more frustrating days here.

Maybe I oughta change it to that 'skipping through the fields' quote of something...

- as

[Bonobo]

56. CatWoman started the thread. Why not let her defend herself.

She said herself it wasn't a joke.

If DU'ers get a bit upset when one of their own spouts the "Hanoi Jane" line, seemingly to attack a Democrat, I am sure you can understand why some would take offense despite her longevity on this board.

[CatWoman]

61. I don't get it

how is this story "attacking" a Democrat?

The story is about Jane supporting Obama.

perhaps you should get hooked on phonics, no?

[americanstranger]

63. No harm, no foul.

I'll admit I should have had more faith in Catwoman.

I'll watch the jerking knee thing in the future, I promise.

- as

[rodeodance]

104. it the faux outrage that is so amusing to watch.

[americanstranger]

107. Yeah, because Clinton supporters NEVER do that!

You guys lead the league in feigned outrage, admit it.

- as

[rodeodance]

120. why would I admit to something I do not believe to be true?

[americanstranger]

165. I expected no less.

If anything, RD, you're dependable.

- as

[Bake]

133. What's your fucking problem, anyway?

I guess you'd be fucking ecstatic (and of course no one should say SHIT about it) if Farrakhan endorsed Obama? The OP, for whatever reason, posted an article about Jane Fonda, also known as Hanoi Jane for her treasonous (and yes, it was not a protest, it was giving aid and comfort to the enemy in wartime; if you've got a problem with that, fuck you!) actions during the Vietnam era, endorsing a particular candidate for President.

Is a public endorsement now a subject that no one can discuss?? Jesus Christ, time to switch to fucking decaf. Attacking a longtime DUer like CatWoman, as you have done, is simply fucking INEXCUSABLE. You ought to get a granite cookie for it, and if I were Skinner, YOU WOULD.

Bake

[Bonobo]

135. OMG, I "attacked" a DU regular and deserve a TS? And you equate Jane Fonda with Farrakhan?

What a fucking joker you are.

[Bake]

143. I didn't equate Fonda with Farrakhan.

Farrakhan would simply be another controversial (and hypothetical) endorsement. The Fonda endorsement is going to controversial to some, because of the Hanoi Jane thing.

If you're too blind to see that, I can't help you. Your personal attacks on Cat Woman were reprehensible, and yes, given the level of vitriol in your attacks, you deserve a TS. If you can't participate in civil discourse, get out. Like I said, switch to decaf.

You people crack me up. YOUR GUY IS WINNING, so why be so freakin' testy??? Calm the fuck down.

Bake

[MattBaggins]

163. You sir are

no skinner

[Catherina]

213. treasonous aid and comfort to the enemy in wartime?

:eyes:

When I read your post, it felt like Free Republic but I agree on one thing, "if I were Skinner, YOU WOULD."

[Bake]

229. Wow. You've got a lot of posts in a month's time.

Do you get paid by the post?

I've been here since DU began, so you can pucker up and kiss my ass!

Yes, it was treason. Look up the definition of "treason" and tell me it wasn't treason, by the book. Speaking out against the war and protesting is one thing. Fonda crossed the line by going to N. Vietnam. I lost friends in that godawful war. We've got a lot of DUers who served in 'Nam and are lucky to be here today.

Bake

[Catherina]

230. Pucker up and kiss your nasty ass? You not just delusional, you're sick

But you know that already don't you?

Don't worry. President Obama's healthplan will cover you too. Seek help as soon after Inauguration Day as you can, before it's too late.

"treasonous aid and comfort to the enemy in wartime" :eyes:

Hey! Did you ever get an answer from the mods when you told them they were idiots for fucking deleting your post and asked if they thought you were a troll?

[Bake]

232. Had to go back four years for that one?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'm still here. But I predict you won't be for long, after the primaries are done.

Bake

[Forkboy]

140. Because she's one of DU's best and someone I consider a friend here.

I tend to do things like that.

[Bonobo]

142. Even good people make shitty judgments. This OP was one of them and she should admit it.

Would save a lot of frustration.

[Forkboy]

55. Nice edit to save face.

:rofl:

[americanstranger]

59. Hey, at least I copped to it.

Hehe.

- as

[Forkboy]

151. Ok, points for that.

;)

[americanstranger]

164. One of those DU Embarrassing Moments. Catwoman, I apologize!!

It's been bothering me all day.

I didn't look at who the poster was, and I feel like an idiot that I didn't.

My belated apologies to you, Catwoman. Truly sorry.

- as

[Buzz Clik]

60. Hanoi Jane? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

I frankly don't give a damn who Fonda endorses, and I am quite surprised that she endorsed Obama. However, my feelings about her (positive and negative) would not change a bit if she endorsed Hillary.

I have never seen such childish behavior as that exhibited by the Clinton supporters. CatWoman, you are the one at rock bottom, not Obama.

[Coexist]

68. .....

[Buzz Clik]

71. ..I..

[Coexist]

75. have no words...

I was too angry to post, yours was good, so I just wanted you to know I appreciate it. It was too hard not to lash out, so I kept quiet.

[Buzz Clik]

78. I was more than happy to help.

I really don't understand why these people think that repeating the same hateful shit we've heard from the right for decades is suddenly going to help Hillary's campaign.

All I can say is that I am fully able to separate Hillary's actions from those of her avid supporters, but not everyone can.

[CatWoman]

69. you're 100% free to feel that way

and I'm 100% free to ignore your senseless babbling and huffing and puffing.

All for what? A stupid headline? I didn't write the headline.

I've posted HUNDREDS of stories using the original, offending headline, and yet, for some reason, people like you want to make it appear as if I'm the anti christ for doing so.

Again, don't like it, talk to TMZ.

Go suck an egg.

[Buzz Clik]

74. Are you refuting it NOW? You most certainly did not in your OP.

You didn't even use quotation marks to indicate that it wasn't yours.

I don't like it, and I don't read TMZ.

But I read your headline, and until you distance yourself from it, it's yours. And it sucks ass.

[CatWoman]

80. the OP is word for word from TMZ

:shrug:

you know, if you REALLY want to make something out of nothing, you should try baking a cake.

[endarkenment]

84. How the fuck does that excuse it?

So we should all just go find flamebait headlines and post them here to cause a stir and then when called on it say "oh it's not me, it's the headline"? What kind of attention demanding trip are you on?

[Coexist]

86. CatWoman,

after the first couple posters read that and responded as if they were your words, you may have (and I'm not saying you SHOULD have, mind you) edited your post headline to:

TMZ: "Hanoi Jane ..."

and put the ensuing quotes in a block quote thingy.

Just offering some advice.

I was really, really pissed when I read your headline and the text in the OP. The TMZ link at the end looks like it is to support YOUR text, not as if the quotes are copied/pasted from the link below.

FWIW.

[Bonobo]

89. Apparently being the famous "CatWoman" means never having to explain yourself.

[Buzz Clik]

90. Bingo. Perfectly stated, FLDem5.

I'm done here.

plonk.

[Catherina]

214. Good helpful advice. Thanks n/t

[Bonobo]

76. What a bunch of disingenuous bullshit.

[CatWoman]

82. funny

I feel the same way about EACH and EVERY one of your posts in this thread.

Shall we toast?

[Bonobo]

85. Well that is just plain weird. Let's toast after all.

We're both full of bullshit.

[endarkenment]

156. Catwoman is an idiot

"So here are some thoughts streaming through my head right now while I eat my chicken breast salad for lunch - My boss Millie Wolfe actually went to see Catwoman and liked it - I shoulda figured. Further evidence that she is an idiot. This is not to say that anybody who likes Catwoman is an idiot."


http://www.biggerthanothers.com/blog/2004_07_01_archive.html

Hey I'm not saying it. It is just a link.

[DefenseLawyer]

105. Right, you just posted this as general information.

Nice effort, but that dog won't hunt.

[Bonobo]

66. Oh I get it now. Ha ha, err, ha ha.

So a well-known Hillary supporter posts something that she is sure will engage DU'ers reflexes and then she says "What the fuck is wrong with people!?" as if this board hasn't been a fucking flamefest for 6 months.

So now we who reacted are supposed to be crazy or something? Is that the game?

If you are trying to support Obama now, that was one hell of a shitty way to do it. Joke or no joke.

[endarkenment]

72. thanks for putting it so well

The op is pure unadulterated flamebait and the op's claims of innocence are bullshit.

[Buzz Clik]

77. "Ms Fonda doesn't deserve to be called 'Hanoi Jane' ... as far as I know."

Agreed -- total bullshit.

[ronnykmarshall]

118. CW is not a well know Hillary supporter.

She's an Edwards supporter

[Catherine Vincent]

144. Well known Hillary supporter?

Wrong.

[Bonobo]

147. Too many catgirls and catwomen and catchicks. Can't keep em straight.

[FlyingSquirrel]

83. OJ endorses Barack. Linda Tripp endorses Hillary.

Man we're scraping the bottom here.........

[mmonk]

91. Do you work for FOX ?

You speak like they do.

[joshcryer]

92. The day that people shit talk CatWoman...

...is a sad day indeed.

Sigh.

[Buzz Clik]

93. No kidding. Until today, I held her in the highest esteem.

[dogday]

103. I still do as I do you...

Don't be confused about it, we are all still Democrats and we have to pull together to beat that old bastard McCain...

[Bake]

146. Cat, I still do hold in the highest esteem. You, on the other hand ...

Not so much.

Bake

[Bonobo]

106. Reps onlytake you so far. Ain't no Holy Cows here.

[ronnykmarshall]

126. That's a damn shame.

Anyone trashing CW can kiss my ass.

[rodeodance]

94. Hanoi Jane endorses BO... ~~~~

[Pastiche423]

153. And you endorse AND support DLCers

Pathetic.

[butterfly77]

96. So I guess this means that..

if you hate someone who is for Obama then you can't vote for him? I hear some of the dumbest reasons for why some won't vote for Obama. Could it be something else? Ummm...let me guess is it because we have to vote for Hillary because she is a woman, or is it that its her time and he can't run, or is it because Obama has the AUDACITY to hope?

[dogday]

98. If this is so great, how come there are not that many recommends?

I figure as happy as everyone is about this, this would already be on the greatest page....

[BlooInBloo]

100. Hanoi Jane, eh?

[zulchzulu]

102. Let's egg out the Goldwater Girl in the Heroine of Tuzla

Do you think that Penn and Wolfson are writing the next "misstatement" for Hillary.

Maybe do a free press release for Grandpa Johnny Songbird...

:puke:

[anonymous171]

109. lawl. According to a certain poster from hillaryis44, Jane Fonda is a repug.

:rofl:

[Hugabear]

117. Thanks for telling me about that site

So much hatred on the front page. Anyone who isn't 100% behind Hillary "must go".

[TacticalPeek]

112. She should know better than to endorse - it will move nobody to Obama and some will switch off.

She's called Hanoi Jane for a reason, and it's not because she was a peace monger.

[KoKo]

113. It took me a minute or two....but just gave you a K&R....

It really is funny...once I got past the first set of replies...:eyes:

[Hugabear]

115. Can we please drop the freeper language?

Seriously, that's a term that belongs in Freeperland, not here on DU. Jane Fonda has been long been admired by many people on this board. Why is there this need to slander anyone who supports Obama? We've now seen the likes of Ted Kennedy, Bill Richardson, Michael Moore, and many other greatly admired progressives thrown under the bus because they had the audacity not to support Hillary.

[endarkenment]

119. Its all ok see cause the op didn't really say it, she had a link.

So that makes it all ok. You can post any flamebait freeper bullshit that you want as long as you have a link that proves that it wasn't really freeper flamebait bullshit. It is a new form of bad post with built in immunity.

[blogslut]

116. Harvey Levin runs TMZ

Harvey Levin supports Clinton.

Harvey Levin is using his gossip site to promote Hillary and disparage Barack Obama.

nutshell

[ronnykmarshall]

122. La Levin has done PLENTY of trashing of Hillary

More selective outrage.

[blogslut]

123. Oh?

Prove it. I read that site almost every day. The ratio of anti-Obama posts is 2:1 over the anti-Hillary posts. Same goes for Perez. Neither one of those site operators support Obama and it shows in their postings.

[Name removed]

124. Deleted sub-thread

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[Sean Stuart]

127. Go away, Jane Fonda. Good God I hate bad endorsements

[proud2BlibKansan]

128. Sometimes I think I have landed in freeperville

With posts like this, it sure doesn't feel like Democratic Underground.

Hanoi Jane?? Good grief.

[redqueen]

130. It's TMZ. One of the biggest Britney gossip outlets in the world.

*sigh*

[redqueen]

129. How can this BS thread (TMZ? Really?) have this many replies...

but the one documenting Hillary backing up the WH lies about Iraq has FOUR?

:wtf:

[Name removed]

132. Deleted message

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[LostinVA]

136. Some of the responses in this thread are truly bonkers

[still_one]

137. so what? she was right about Nam, but wrong about being used as a tool of Hanoi

curious, were you for us attacking Viet Nam based on a lie?

[Catherine Vincent]

138. I don't like seeing "Hanoi Jane" on DU although I know it's straight from TMZ

But I find it strange a lot of BO supporters here are upset that a right wing term is used against a non politician Democrat on DU yet every right wing name is used against the Clinton's here by Clinton haters and Obama supporters and you guys don't say shit.

What a bunch of hypocritical hypocrites!

[ronnykmarshall]

149. Shhhhh!

You'll wake the baby!

[UALRBSofL]

152. cat_girl now you make a good point

I haven't thought of it but you know, I have seen at least 10 or so freeper R wing names used on Clinton. OP I wouldn't lose any sleep because the posters on this thread are hypocrites.

[Bluebear]

154. Now why did you have to go and bring that up?

;)

[SaveOurDemocracy]

162. Funny, huh?

What a bunch of hypocritical hypocrites!

[BuyingThyme]

148. Hanoi Jane can play on my team anytime.

[truebrit71]

155. Don't think it will have any impact except with the rabid knuckle-draggers that won't vote for Obama

..anyway...

Unless Fonda is taking money OUT of the Obama campaign and giving it to Billary I don't think the bullet-dodging junior senator from NY will give hoot one way or the other...

[eleny]

157. "thown her spandex"

Oh, CW. I'm so sorry to see you posting like this. I'm sorry to see you get enjoyment out of something like this.
Well... bye.

[Pastiche423]

159. Un-fucking-real!

A long time DUer posts a direct headline from another source and SHE gets beat up?

Damn I wish Clinton would get it that she will not be then Dem nom so that DU can go back to being semi-rational again.

FWIW, I understood your post from the get go, CatWoman.

Recommend.

[Deja Q]

168. Same here.

While Hanoi Jane's endorsement is about as worthy as the piece of gum my shoe stepped in yesterday, it's still going to implant impressions on people. Like "Reverend" Wright, Farrakhan, the Black Panthers, et al, it's only going to give Obama more trouble, hapless or otherwise.

And, oh yeah, I too knew she was quoting the headline.

[Political Heretic]

161. Coming into this thread late, and realized that its TMZ's title, not Catwomans - saved me some

expletives.

[billyoc]

169. Like it or not, this will be troublesome in November.

[Hepburn]

174. Why in the hell would that be troublesome???

Barack Obama was HOW old at the time the Fonda biz was going on? LOL

[kwenu]

172. Maybe I'm a sexist pig but really don't give a damn what Jane Fonda thinks.

I can barely recall why she has any relevance to the older set of folks.

[Hepburn]

173. My, my....aren't we the little right winger today....

....:eyes:

[POAS]

178. Now you've gone and done it Hep.

Better duck, I see incoming!

[Hepburn]

189. OMG............. run.............. I'm in Tuzla and there is sniper fire!

:hi:

[ToeBot]

176. Shouldn't someone throw in a Barbarella barb? Wouldn't want to leave anything out. nt

[Beacool]

177. I like Jane Fonda a lot,

but I was surprised just how virulent is the veteran's hatred for her. I thought that it would all be water under the bridge by now, but it's not for many Vietnam vets.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

179. It's amazing how many right wingers are here today!

Jane Fonda is great!!!!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

180. We're really calling Jane Fonda...

..."Hanoi Jane?" Seriously?

[EFerrari]

204. Apparently "we" are.

Sad, really.

[LostinVA]

218. No, "we" aren't -- TMZ did

[Mass]

239. Well, the OP is repeating it without even being bothered by it. So, I guess she approves.

[rocktivity]

182. Gosh darn it--and just when it thought it was safe to forget about Rev. Wright...

:eyes:
rocknation

[Raine]

183. UGH, go away Jane

I think she's trying to hurt Obama. :-( Real great he has to run against a Viet Nam prisoner of war with the endorsement of "Hanoi Jane" hanging round his neck. :mad:

Edit: added quote marks cause those aren't my words but what will be directed at Obama by MacCain.

[aquarius dawning]

186. That should help lure those elusive crossover republicans onto our side .

as if the Kennedy/Kerry endorsement wasn't enough to secure their support.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

202. Jane has done her penance for Vietnam...I for one, welcome her aboard

Plus, she was on the right side of the argument.

[LittleClarkie]

205. Is TMZ normally that annoying?

Hanoi Jane?

Barbarella for fuck's sake? How sexist.

I guess I didn't know they were right wing.

[LostinVA]

219. They aren't RW -- just annoying and "cute"

[Mass]

236. "Hanoi Jane"is cute? Whoa! I guess this primary changed some values on DU.

[madrchsod]

207. you mean that woman who sold "billions" of work-out tapes

hanoi jane ,the endorsement of the co-founder of the illinois "black panthers", and the co-founder of the "students for a democratic society"


old geezer lefties endorsing obama....dam he is toast


:woohoo: :crazy: :woohoo:

[Moochy]

210. Fonda on Clinton "ventriloquist for the patriarchy with a skirt and a vagina."

nuff said

[SeattleGirl]

212. Stop it!

This fucking name calling is fit for Freeperville, but should not be posted on here. It's coming from people on both sides, and it's gotten way past the point of ridiculous.

It's fucking insulting!

[Seabiscuit]

215. Personally, I've always liked Jane Fonda. So what if she flips a coin and it lands for

the one I wouldn't choose?

There are a lot of celebrities supporting both Hillary and Barack, and I like a lot of these people, and here and there I can say: "Yeah, I knew he/she would support X/Y" but for the most part their choices are pretty confounding to me.

[TheDonkey]

217. Hanoi Jane, wow, how far we've come fellow Democrats!

First FOX is the place for fair news
next Scaiffe is a patriot
now Jane Fonda is a communist bitch.

What more gifts do we get from the Clinton supporters.

[crankychatter]

223. I have never heard a Democrat use the term "Hanoi Jane"

first time for everything I guess

[IsItJustMe]

224. The news links keep going all the way down hill here. Getting real bad. Faux news, Newsmax, Rush

Limbaugh, and now tmz. I suspect that Hillary supporters, in their desperation, will be quoting from the National Enquire next. How low can it go.

[mckeown1128]

228. Just heard Oxyfatty say the same thing...

Rush is that you?

[Mass]

235. When you read this from an old DUer, you know this primary has lasted too long.

Once upon a time, you would have known why this title is wrong. And it has nothing to do with the primary, but with repeating RW terms on DU concerning something as important as war.

I feel really sorry.

[grateful581]

242. what a bunch of BullShit

"Senator from New York couldn't be happier"
wheres the proof of that?
Fuck off TMZ