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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:52 AM
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I'm very worried that things could improve for *, post 6/30 handoff
Am I being too concerned? I mean, he's been sinking lately but we need to keep it up. I don't want anymore upsurges in his polls and, much as I want peace in Iraq and all, Bush HAS to go. What are your feelings on this?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:55 AM
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1. The thing to be truly concerned about
and is something that everytime I hear Bush say about free elections in Iraq I get pissed off,is the voting systems being rigged in Florida and Ohio.Otherwise it's gonna be a sweet Kerry victory.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:56 AM
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2. I'm very worried that though things might improve for Bush...
....they WON'T improve for the people of the US as long as he remains in power. Everything else is shit. And what's going to change, with the banishing of digital cameras, and the phony handover of power, and the bogus UN resolution...US troops will still be in harms way, and we still wasted a HELLA lot of money on a pack of lies from a guy the administration now says is a Iranian spy.

"Yeah, it's true, I gunned down everyone in the theatre, but as I was leaving, I saved a starving kitten. And isn't that something we can all be proud of?" - George W Bush
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:57 AM
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3. I share your concern, however
*, himself, seems to be steeling Murika for the fact that the violence will get worse during and after the hand-off. If the evidence weren't overwhelmingly that that will happen, I imagine he'd be telling us that June 30 would be the beginning of the end of all our problems. If * is worried, it may be the case that the whole country is going to go ballistic. (Our poor soldiers, the poor Iraqi people!)

Things might conceivably get better later in the Summer, but given what a p*ss poor job he's done of everything so far, I have a hard time believing that's likely.

I surely wish things would get better so our soldiers could come home and the people of Iraq could rebuild their country, but with the incompetents in charge, I don't see it happening.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 09:58 AM
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4. You know what?
I hope the situation in Iraq *does* improve. The alternative is more dead Americans and Iraqis. So any improvement is fine with me.

Bush has been inept on enough fronts to lose the election even if Iraq is completely ignored, or if peace breaks out.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:02 AM
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6. Man, I'm with you
It's so ridiculous to wish harm upon the Iraqi people and our country in order to get rid of Bush*. We should be hoping that people wake up to the long term consequences of the policies that Bush* and the Republicans have passed and not wish for more death and destruction just to get Bush* out of office.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:14 AM
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8. Thank you Birthmark
I'm witchoo-I want it to get better for the kids there.I am old enuff that I can call them kids(48 almost 49)
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:02 AM
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5. I'm pretty sure this will signal the media to stop covering Iraq
It will disappear for a week or two.

But since the much-vaunted changeover is really just The Product getting a new brand name (sovereignty rather than occupation) and nothing else will really change, they won't be able to stay silent for long--the first big car bomb will bring them back.

but as Nabokov said, once you see the monkey, you can't NOT see the monkey. I watched a monkey give a speech last night, and it was sad and hilarious. It convinced nobody except the lunatic right and the most prostrate whores in the media (Tony Blankley--I'm talking to you!)

The Chimp is going down (barring Diebold cheats)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:02 AM
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7. I think
out of the 1000's of Abu Ghraib photos, we will have a drip...drip...drip of them until November. THEN, we have Farenheit 911, Bill Clinton's book, Zinni's book, and Robert Reich's book, the Woodward book. No, we Dems are on our game. We have them on the defense and that's where we'll keep 'em! :)
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:17 AM
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9. The history of most countries in the world is simply this--he who controls
the military, controls the country.

Iraq doesn't have a military; therefore, it can't be controlled. Team Bush is NOT pulling troops out, they are NOT allowing elections until "February." February?! Why the arbitrary date?

As long as our troops are there, and Iraq is "led" by the US installed puppet gov't, you can forget about any improvements . . .

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Darkamber Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:18 AM
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10. There are more problems then just Iraq for W
I think the main thing that we need to do is not get tied down to the war as the reason to vote for Kerry. There needs to be a much broader reason. These include Education, health care, environment and the deficit.

Also, the situation over there I see as unstable for some time. Even after they get their own elections it's going to be rough. The imagines from the prison scandal is not going to be dropped from anyone's minds anytime soon. I know I can't forget them. They seemed to erase all moral high ground we had and I want it invested as high up the chain as it goes.

But mainly, Kerry needs to make sure this isn't a one issue election. And I think he is trying to do that.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:28 AM
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11. Feelings? I wish the killing had stopped yesterday.
There are quite a few things this administration needs to answer for. As often as I've heard it used, I think bushco would be loathe to lose their "How dare you attack the preznit while our troops are in harm's way" shield.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:31 AM
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12. So long as US troops die there, he won't be able to escape
Unfortunately, his strategy of maintaining a large force there ensures exactly that--either he cedes all control of the country to warlords, or he loses a steady trickle of soldiers propping up whatever puppet 'democracy' they choose.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:33 AM
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13. I hope the situation in Iraq DOES improve. For humane reasons.
Bush already screwed up by not adopting Kerry's plan for stabilizing Iraq with the UN and NATO over a year ago. Kerry will win that debate in the fall no matter what happens in Iraq.

Bush's stubbornness already cost this country too much and he is proven unable to work with or lead other nations.

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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 10:42 AM
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14. good reminder blm
the Bush plan is pretty much the Kerry plan that all the neo-cons would make fun of with wording like"kissing up and making nice,nice"to the UN.So here's Bush proposing the exact same thing,again,for purely POLITICAL reasons.They have not an original thought in their heads,one that has worked anyway.
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blackmoonlillith Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 11:00 AM
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15. I hate to say this, but
things aren't going to get any better in Iraq. In fact, I would wager that they'll continue to get worse, especially now that 88 percent of Iraqis want us out of their country. I'm just waiting for the entire thing to blow up in our faces.
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