Sorry to dissapoint Obamabots but Hillary's weakness in polling after Bosnia was a temporary thing

[Herman Munster]

The race is going back to equilibrium. Obama had a huge polling day on Saturday in the Gallup tracking poll and that will go out of the sample in tomorrow's numbers. Expect things to be very close to tied in tommorrow's poll.

Looks like Obama is experiencing some blowback now for getting his lackeys to strongarm Hillary into quitting the race.

No wonder the bat signal went out to Pelosi to tone down her rhetoric. It's starting to hurt Obama.

[loveangelc]

1. if he goes up and hillary down tomorrow, what will you say?lol

[maddiejoan]

4. Then it'll be YOUR turn to post

That's how we roll on DU!

[DemGa]

2. Rec

[LaurenG]

3. She is the weakest link

and we all know how that turns out.

[acrosstheuniverse]

8. Well good for you for being happy that...

the voters out there are so fickle and dumb and easily forget such blatant actions. Hell no wonder we put Bush in the White House TWICE!

[maddiejoan]

9. I think Hillary is losing

BECAUSE she looks like the mean lady from that show.

[LaurenG]

11. LOL

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

54. yeah--BO has his weak link in OHIO with his Naftagate lies

[Zhade]

59. You're the liar. The Canadian government explained that that never happened.

Yet you keep flogging that lie. You do your lying candidate proud.

[rodeodance]

65. Damage control by the RW gov. Surprized that one slipped by you.

[Zhade]

92. It didn't. You're still lying.

NT!

[JayFredMuggs]

62. Ohio already crowned Hillary queen

so you'll have to support Obama in November,

Or you can just stay home.

[rodeodance]

74. and other states will crown her. guess you will those choices in nov.

[LaurenG]

106. His lies???

That is hysterical. She was the one who said she'd never been for NAFTA and the official records proved that to be a lie. And it was her campaign who whispered to the canadians as they also openly said it was her campaign not Obama's. However she did get her drama queen on when Obama sent out flyer's about her pro NAFTA stance.

Are we really that far apart here on facts? If so we are in SERIOUS trouble and all I can say is the republicans are probably dancing a jig with every day that goes by.

[grantcart]

5. do not look at Pensylvania polls do not look at Pensylvania polls

do not look at Pensylvania polls do not look at Pensylvania polls

do not look at Pensylvania polls do not look at Pensylvania polls

do not look at Pensylvania polls do not look at Pensylvania polls

[JayFredMuggs]

66. Sounds like an order from Hillary folks

Don't look at the real numbers, just imagine Hillary still so far ahead.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Fine with this Obama supporter.

She's still terrible when it comes to real issues.

[cali]

7. Sorry there hillybot but in the real world

he's still winning and she still only has a teeny weeny chance to be nominee. Too bad for the hillbots.

[rodeodance]

49. Pelosi learned a lession---Long-term good Democrats who have contributed

millions over the years were not happy with yaping.

[merh]

75. or maybe they are just embarassed that one of the dem

candidates can't pay her bills - looks bad on the party, don't ya think?

[rodeodance]

102. no bad at all. just to some folks here on DU with noting to do. It is not a

story on the news.


In fact last night
nbc evening news said they contacted the clinton campaign

all bills have been paid during the lag time--including the health
insurance.

not on the radar today-on any TV coverage.

[merh]

105. Does that mean she paid her debts?

n/t

[PoliticalAmazon]

86. The rich corporate elites no longer control the Democfratic Party, thanks to Dean and Obama...

...They've shown that a strong election can be built by seeking the support of the rank-and-filers.

If you look at Hillary Clinton's bending over for the rich Dem elites to get their money, it doesn't seem to be such a good strategy now, does it? She thought she didn't need the rank-and-filers, but it's Hillary who can't pay her bills now.

Say, did she ever pay off the campaign debt to the Boy's Club of East Jesus, Idaho?

[rodeodance]

99. I read that $$ is drying up for Congressional races--no need to demonize

these donors. the are good Democrats. just remember that.

[FlyingSquirrel]

10. I'm not an Obamabot, I'm an Obamatron!

Get your terminology right!

[LittleClarkie]

16. I'm an Obamanation myself

I'm just Obamanable.

[C_U_L8R]

18. Obamanable !!!

Obambastic !!!

[Whisp]

31. I am The Big Obamaski

[Kber]

37. Awesome!

Obamasome?

[Whisp]

40. Hillie Treehorn-Clinton treats objects like women. :)

[PoliticalAmazon]

87. Let's All Go to the Obam-O-Rama! n/t

[DemVet]

46. Actually, you're all Oba-maniacs. Get it right?

[Kahuna]

12. I know why she's ticking up. She's been playing this card again...

[rodeodance]

53. BO fans like to play cards too much.

[bunnies]

13. Domo Arigato Obamabato

DOMO. Domo.

DOMO. Domo.

[americanstranger]

27. Heh.

I am KILROY!!!!!

:D

- as

[bunnies]

36. "I'm not a hero, I'm not a saviour, forget what you know"

heh. 25 years later... I still love that song. :)

[LoZoccolo]

14. Yay, that means America still wants more grandiose lies from its leaders. n/t

[Middle finga]

15. I'll just be glad when we can collectively turn our guns on that

old senile warmonger on the other side of the isle... yeah that's what I'm waiting on.

[DUyellow]

17. So now it isn't Obama it is his "lackeys" wait till this hits...

last 20 sec...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4

[McCamy Taylor]

19. This rebound is the Bosnia effect I predicted. The public hates Hillary bashing.

Last week's dip was the Easter "Judas" effect--an unusually quick negative response to Carville because of the Easter weekend and people making their once a year trip to Church where they said "I never!" to each other. It blew over quickly.

Then, they saw "Gore is a liar" Part II and they were outraged at the press and Obama as it dragged on and on. That is why we are seeing Hillary's polls rise. The Obama camp still has not shown that it has the political maturity or finesse to win in a contest with McCain. Karl Rove will make mincemeat out of Axelrod, who knows some old school campaign tricks that will not work against McCain.

Obama needs a new campaign manager. I have been saying this for months. If he is the Party's great savior why does he have to keep getting other people to try to bully Hillary out of the race? Why can't he just win a clean race? It is because Axelrod is second rate and does not know how to run a winning Democratic campaign. I am fed up with Axelrod blaming his own incompetence on Hillary. He may be good enough for Chicago but he knows jack about what national Dems want and need right now.

[bowens43]

30. actually, the public hates hillary.

[rodeodance]

50. there you go, making up stuff again.

[PoliticalAmazon]

89. Nope. it's the truth, and that's why she can't win. GOPers hate her, and many Dems now hate her. n/t

[Zhade]

64. Of course, unlike Gore, there's actually video that proves clinton lied. Repeatedly.

So sorry, your spin won't work.

[rodeodance]

77. fading memores is key.

[Zhade]

94. So you endorse letting lies work?

Figures, you do support a proven liar.

[madrchsod]

20. do you realize that the only thing that matters

are the remaining primary states...those are the only polls that matter.

[bunny planet]

21. except if she somehow (miracle) makes it to the general, when the Republicanss

and the media will reprise it and to bludgeon her over the head with that story non-stop 24/7 for the entire lead up to the election. John Sidney McCain becomes President.

[Yael]

23. Valor thief vs War hero

Gee, I wonder how THAT one will turn out?

[anonymous171]

28. They don't even need to do that. Right now anyone BUT Clinton could beat McCain.

He doesn't have half of the ground game that Bush had, no doubt due to the low spirits of the GOP. With Clinton back it would be as if Satan himself had been nominated. They may not vote FOR McCain but the will work and vote AGAINST Hillary.

[Yael]

22. You should have been at my work today

Yesterday, everyone was too busy to goof off. Today, not so much.

Both the uber lefties and the uber righties where having a field day with the Bosnia thing. The vets (and relatives of vets) were pissed off and the left was even more vitrolic than the right.

They were cracking me up.

Good news was that a few Clinton supporters in the office hadn't heard all of the gory details. They were rather surprised to know how far off base her lies really were in being removed from reality.

Better news is that we all vote in PA this month.

:thumbsup:

[democrattotheend]

24. Just as Obama's weakness during the Wright controversy was temporary

Though I do agree with you that the calls for Clinton to exit the race may have helped her. I predicted that in a blog post the other day. But the calls for her to drop out have not come from inside the Obama camp.

[mudesi]

Hey Herman Munster....

...Learn to add and subtract. Obama has won the nomination.

[cali]

25. btw, it's disappoint not "dissapoint"

that's one of those ignorant mispellings that drive me nuts- along with "rediculous".

[cbayer]

35. sorry, just have to do it:

It's misspellings not "mispellings" and it's drives me nuts, not "drive" me nuts.

I'm sorry, I just had to.

[anonymous171]

26. Hey look! MOE!

[bowens43]

29. who cares? Hillary is through. It's not possible for her to win.

the sooner you stop deluding yourself the sooner you can recover.

[juajen]

38. Perhaps you glitterbabies should stop protesting so much.

If she is done for, why are ya'll posting on here day and night lambasting her and trying to get the word out for her to guit the race. What's your worry, babies?

[Mooney]

44. Because it's fun to thrash on her mercilessly until she finally takes the hint and drops out.

Wheeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zhade]

68. Protesting? It's just pointing out the fact.

Plus, pointing out her repeated lies is a good thing. Do you think lies shouldn't be exposed as hers have?

[Mooney]

73. I point her lies out every 15 seconds to strangers on the street.

You should try it some time. S'fun.

[Zhade]

95. Oh, I do (maybe not that often) - her Tuzla lies are so insane they're comical.

NT!

[Buzz Clik]

32. Bummer to waste all that momentum over the Wright bullshit.

Unfortunately for Hillary, most people agree that lying out your ass about your so-called foreign policy experience is important.

[rodeodance]

51. Obama Fails to Assuage White Indiana Voters With Speech on Race, Enjoy

Obama Fails to Assuage White Indiana Voters With Speech on Race



http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080401/pl_bloomberg/adx9sdaw1tw;_ylt=ArdOqxveYDiIws6tXP82jZis0NUE


Bloomberg.com
Obama Fails to Assuage White Indiana Voters With Speech on Race

Heidi Przybyla 1 hour, 11 minutes ago

April 1 (Bloomberg) -- Andrea Helmer was interested in Barack Obama until she heard sound bites of his fiery pastor's sermons. Last week, she volunteered for Hillary Clinton's campaign in Indiana.

``As things came out regarding some of the things his pastor has said, I got concerned,'' said Helmer, a 36-year-old respiratory therapist and mother of two in Evansville, Indiana.

Interviews with dozens of Democrats in this overwhelmingly white region -- where voters will go to the polls in the May 20 primary -- suggest residual concerns over the controversy involving Obama's former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

……..

Unease Among Whites

Still, there are stirrings of unease among white voters, including those who fear the issue will hurt Obama in a general election. Pew also found that 39 percent of all white voters said the controversy made them less favorable toward Obama.

[anonymous171]

56. wow, no one cares. HEY WAIT A MINUTE "DOZENS OF WHITE DEMOCRATS"!?

"The recent intense focus on Wright is complicating Obama's efforts to appeal to some in culturally conservative southwest Indiana, which has a record of electing Republicans and conservative Democrats. Evansville is 86 percent white and 11 percent black."

No wonder they care so much about Wright. That's a great place to sample for democratic opinion.

[rodeodance]

60. never know how far that sentiment expands. She is ahead in IN.

[anonymous171]

71. She's always ahead in places before he campaigns.

It's name recognition.

[rodeodance]

76. She has been in Indiana lots---so, it is more than name reg. at this point.

[anonymous171]

78. No. It will never stop being name recognition. She's not a politician, but a brand.

[rodeodance]

90. You continue to live in your little bubble--fine with me.

[Zhade]

97. Someone who can't accept her losing thinks OTHERS live in a bubble?

Oh, the irony.

[Buzz Clik]

84. Let me guess: "If she wins Indiana, she still has a chance."

Yet another bellwether. zzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZ.

[Buzz Clik]

83. Yeah, we know how far that expands. Not very far.

And the primary is too far away to know anything about poll numbers just yet. She has "led" in just about every state until the primary came to be a couple of weeks away.

[Zhade]

70. Racists didn't dig his speech? Big surprise!

What's next, an update on the earth being round?

[Buzz Clik]

85. You're wasting your breath on rodeodance. He'd campaign for Satan against Obama.

I haven't put him on Ignore because I enjoy kicking his sorry ass across the room.

[rodeodance]

91. That was a very Rude thing to say. I would never say that a BO fan!!

[Buzz Clik]

98. Okaaaaay. I'm sowwy.

:(

[Zhade]

100. I seriously don't understand anyone who can ignore her Snipergate lies.

I mean, they're not even deniable. There's video that proves them.

[Buzz Clik]

103. The implications are far deeper. Her willingness to lie and stand behind that lie is shocking.

[Buzz Clik]

80. I do enjoy. A lot of ignorance went into that article.

The demographics of Indiana are very, very complicated. The southern part of the state is essentially the same as the South -- rural, redneck, racist. Note that Evansville is across the river from Kentucky; and, take a look at the poll numbers in Kentucky.

You might check out how Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Gary, and Lafayette are responding. Guaranteed, it will be a different story.

rodeodance, you need to bring something to the argument other than your obsessive hatred for Obama. It colors the conversation ... know what I mean?

[The Ghost]

33. I love all these fools ...

who think they know how to analyze polling numbers. One day it shows a jump for their candidate, and there's all these 'reasons' why, as if they know why. The next day the swing goes the other way, and that person stays quiet and hibernates until it swings back their way just so they can go 'YOUR CANDIDATE IS TANKING'. YAWN.

Stop relying on polls to bolster your candidate, whoever it is, it looks foolish. When Hillary has a 15 point lead in the next Rasmussen, all that talk about todays poll will show to be wasted time.

GOBAMA

[gateley]

34. It's been interesting to observe results like this all along.

Initial positive/negative reaction to a "this is the end" occurrence, then it evens out again -- very quickly.

I think we're becoming numb to it all. Desensitized.

[bunnies]

39. In the immortal words of Joe Scarborough....

Wheeeeeeee!

[C_U_L8R]

41. Funny, I'd never have thought

there'd be Scarborough fans here.

Well, welcome Scarborough fan.
Don't feel like an outcast.

[bunnies]

43. My internal clock is set for 6AM.. in time for morning joe.

I pretty much assumed I was the only one. :hi:

[C_U_L8R]

52. I'm a MIka in the Morning person myself

[bunnies]

55. Mika rules.

The personal interaction between those two is perfect. The show isnt nearly as good when one or the other isnt there. They obviously have a great chemistry. That being the case, Joe cant be all that bad. I trust Mikas judgment. :)

[Mooney]

42. Does this mean you admit she flagrantly lied four times about her Bosnia trip?

[Zhade]

72. That'd be a first - the truth!

NT!

[DemVet]

45. The HELL you say!!!

How dare you post something negative, even something not-so-positive, about Saint Obama.

Say it isn't so!

[TK421]

47. And just when he was ready to be canonized!!!!

The timing of this REALLY sucks! :rofl:

[Orsino]

48. Check the margin of error.

Always check the margin of error.

[BzaDem]

63. Huh? When Obama gains, it's decisive, but when he loses ground, "margin of error blah blah blah"?

[rodeodance]

69. funny how it is so predictable what so many BO fans will post

[anonymous171]

93. When he consistently polls higher, yes.

When they fluctuate two or three points it can be the MOE.

[Orsino]

107. When anyone "gains" or "loses," we should check the margin of error.

I said {i]always check it. Not just when your candidate is "ahead" or "behind." Trends are similarly hard to demonstrate.

[Zhade]

57. Yeah, her losing 5% to Obama in Penn IN A WEEK is meaningless.

:rofl:

[FlyingSquirrel]

58. Here's a good chart for ya... two actually.

Made this up on Excel -- Delegate Totals over time. When more than one state voted on a particular day (such as Super Tuesday), then I put them in order by time zone from East coast to West coast, then alphabetical within the time zone - then abroad. Enjoy!

Chart 1: Pledged Delegate totals INCLUDING Michigan and Florida



*Uncommitteds in MI added to Obama's total.


Chart 2: Pledged Delegate totals WITHOUT Michigan and Florida




I take great pride in noting that the point where the totals began to really diverge the most was right after my home state of WA caucused!

:)

[rocktivity]

61. ALL polling is temporary, so stop taking it so literally.

The Rev. Wright thing turned out to be temporary, too, remember?

GET THE BEYOND ME, POLLS!
UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!!!!



x(
rocknation

[still_one]

67. it may be temporary Herman, but to me it is a sign of mental instability

this happened on four different occasions, and on one she said they sent her because it was too risky to send the president
That type of lie is pathalogical. I have seen it in other people who are emotionally unstable

[RememberWellstone]

79. Yep

His bounce is over, she will gain from now on especially after PA.

[PoliticalAmazon]

81. Not many Obama supporters or McCain supporters will support HRC....

I am encountering more and more Obama supporters like me who will not vote for HRC. Besides the fact that she is not a leader and has proven herself as unethical as Bush Jr/Rove ever hoped to be in campaigning, she continues to disrespect Obama supporters at every turn.

The latest is her blaming Obama supporters for the call for her to get the hell out of the race, and she LIES when she does it. She wouldn't DARE blame it on the SDs or media who have called for the same thing. No, she tries to turn America against Obama supporters by saying that Obama supporters are calling for her to get out of the race because they want to cheat the remaining states from voting in the primary!

People are calling for her to get out of the race because she can't win and because we need to unify the Democratic Party, if we can, behind Obama...although HRC has pissed in the well so often, that may be difficult to do. In fact, this last statement will make sure that the more gullible Hillary supporters will be believe that Obama supporters don't want people to vote, which is an outright lie. In addition, they will still vote, just like they have before when the race was decided before their state's primary.

How any Obama supporter can consider ever voting for HRC now is beyond me. She has dissed us every step of the way, and now is saying that we don't want Americans to vote.

That is the last straw for me. If she is able to cheat and win the primary (because she cannot win on her own merits, that is obviously true by looking at her campaign tactics), I will immediately sign up to volunteer for McCain. I was just going to sit this election out if that occurred, but I guarantee you I'll be walking precincts for McCain if HRC is the candidate.

[depakid]

82. Most people have pretty much made up their minds about Hillary

Obama on the other hand, is still largely an unknown quantity to voters who don't follow politics that closely.

[JayFredMuggs]

96. AND to those who decide in the last week

You have to remember, many people never look at the DU, decide based upon one or two hours of study, one or two lies and mis-statements.

Those people are not likely to vote for Hillary, after the last few weeks.

[depakid]

104. Not necessarily

They may well decide to vote AGAINST Obama -rather than FOR Hillary.

And I'm quite sure that there'll be many who would much prefer neither of the above.

[susankh4]

88. Honestly, ya'll....

the only thing that this tells us is that our two candidates have been neck 'n neck for weeks. These little daily ups and downs don't mean anything. Barack and Hillary are both made of teflon!

And... that means.... we have two really STRONG candidates. Together they will beat the pants off the GOP this fall.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton 2008!

:patriot:

[knixphan]

101. temporary, like her win in Texas...