Yes Hillary. Without you in the race those primaries wont be held

[DJ13]

:eyes:

Clinton says Obama wants to stop votes

HARRISBURG, Pa. - Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton accused rival Sen. Barack Obama and his allies of trying to stop people from voting as some of his backers have called on her to drop out of the presidential race. The Obama campaign rejected the charge, dismissing Clinton's criticism as "completely laughable."

In a series of television interviews in states holding upcoming contests, Clinton vowed to press on with her campaign and suggested Obama and his supporters wanted to keep those states from playing a role in selecting the party's presidential nominee.

"My take on it is a lot of Senator Obama's supporters want to end this race because they don't want people to keep voting," she told CBS affiliate KTVQ in Billings, Mont. "That's just the opposite of what I believe. We want people to vote. I want the people of Montana to vote, don't you?"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080331/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_primaries

:eyes:

[anonymous171]

1. She's getting more like Bush everyday.

[VeraAgnes]

3. I fail to see any resemblance myself.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are identical in their political platform so....you may wish to look a bit closer at your first impulse opinion.

[anonymous171]

4. No, I wasn't talking about platforms.

I was talking about this kind of false reality creation that they're doing right now.

[Cha]

10. You may want to get your head

outta the fucking sand.

Bosnia story fuels perception of dishonesty of ClintonBy Kathy Miller | The Hillary Project

By: Russell Goldman

ABC News - Sen. Hillary Clinton is dodging bullets. Not from Bosnian snipers but political opponents and pundits who have assailed her recent "misstatements" about a trip to Bosnia 12 years ago.

An apparent contradiction in statements Clinton made about a 1996 trip to Bosnia as first lady, which she claimed last week included the threat of sniper fire before later recanting, has raised the specter of dishonesty and untrustworthiness that has plagued her campaign from its beginning.

The backlash put Clinton on the defensive early this week, and not for the first time. Her campaign dealt with a perception of dishonesty long before the Bosnia trip became an issue.

In a USA Today/Gallup poll from March 16, 44 percent of Americans polled called Clinton "honest and trustworthy," compared to 67 percent and 63 percent respectively for Sen. John McCain, R–Ariz., and Sen. Barack Obama, D–Ill.

In an ABC News exit poll after the most recent primary March 11, half of Mississippi Democratic voters said Clinton was not honest and trustworthy. By contrast, 70 percent of voters found Obama honest and trustworthy votes.

Part of Clinton's perceived untrustworthiness no doubt stems from her association with her husband, former President Clinton, who was embroiled in a 1998 sex scandal with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

As the campaign season began heating up, even former supporters questioned the couple's honesty.

"Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it's troubling," one-time supporter and Hollywood mogul David Geffen said of the Clintons in The New York Times in February 2007.

Voters may not be able to enumerate the lies the Clintons have told -- excluding perhaps Bill Clinton's denial and then admission of the Lewinsky affair -- but there is a perception that they have a reputation for lying, said Matthew Dowd, a Republican strategist and ABC News political consultant.

"There is a perception among voters that there is an honesty problem with the Clintons. In polls they both rate poorly on honesty and trustworthiness," Dowd said.

"Voters have come to a belief about them, and it matters little how much real evidence there actually is. Hillary raises people's suspicion levels because she carries her husband's baggage. People see her and think to themselves, 'are we going back to these same problems?'"

The latest flap pits Clinton's words of last week about the 1996 plane landing in the restive city of Tuzla, Bosnia, that she said involved a threat of snipers against the words of her 2003 autobiography, which describe the same trip in less than action-packed prose.

"I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia," Clinton said last week. "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

Portraying herself as a battle-hardened foreign policy expert, Clinton has referenced that dash across the tarmac under the threat of snipers at several campaign stops.

But after CBS News aired video Monday that showed her on the tarmac receiving flowers from young girls, Clinton dialed down her language.

On Monday, the New York Democrat told the Philadelphia Daily News that she "misspoke" about the way she was received in Bosnia and that "we had to land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire," but no actual shots were fired at her.

She has since referred people to a passage from her autobiography and insisted she merely misspoke for the first time in 12 years. "You know I have written about this and described it in many different settings, and I did misspeak the other day. This has been a very long campaign. Occasionally, I am a human being like everybody else," she told Pittsburgh radio station KDKA on Tuesday. "… I have written about it in my book and talked about it on many other occasions, and last week, you know, for the first time in 12 or so years I misspoke."

Sensing the opportunity, Obama's camp sent out an e-mail Monday that included links to CBS' footage of Clinton's trip.


Mom Made It Up

Clinton said she had not "misspoke" in 12 years. That is enough time to clear her of an incident in 1995 in which upon meeting Sir Edmund Hillary in Nepal, she told The New York Times that she had been named for the famous climber of Mount Everest. When it was later discovered that Clinton was born six years before Hillary's summit of the mountain, Clinton said it was a story her mother had made up.

In 2000, Clinton apologized for categorizing the shooting of an unarmed immigrant Amadou Diallo by New York City police a "murder."

"I misspoke," she said on WNBC's "News Forum" Feb. 13, 2000. "That was just a misstatement on my part," she said.


The Candidate Stands Alone

Despite Clinton's inexorable connection to her husband, supporters quickly note that it is she who is running for president and not the Clintons.

"Sen. Hillary Clinton is running for president. Not the Clintons. She should be judged on her own merits," said Lanny Davis, a former Bill Clinton adviser and author of "Truth to Tell: Tell It Early, Tell It All, Tell It Yourself."
"Excluding President Clinton's private conduct, for which he has condemned himself more harshly than anyone else, I defy someone to come up with real evidence of a lie or untruth the Clintons have told," said Davis. "We're hearing language like 'untruthful' and 'secretive' coming from the Obama camp, but there is nothing to back it up." Bosnia Story May Fuel Perception of Dishonest.SOURCE: ABC News

Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 4:40 pm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=108x128063

[Yael]

27. If you listen carefully, you can hear the lady behind the curtain warming up her vocal chords

for the final song of the night...

[VeraAgnes]

36. Excuse me, but do not curse at me.

That is extremely loathing behavior. You may talk like that in your house but it does not occur in mine.

[U4ikLefty]

41. No shit...you don't curse?

Well ain't that a kick in the ass.

[Diane R]

2. She's just making up crap these days, and thinks we're stupid enough to believe whatever she says.

[Yael]

5. Did she also tell them that she was FROM Montana while she was at it?

[wileedog]

9. No, but she singlehandedly liberated it

from Bosnian snipers.

And then negotiated a peace treaty with Wyoming for them.

[Yael]

21. !!

Hey -- no messing up a perfectly good flamefest like that.

:rofl:

[Erin Elizabeth]

24. Hey, she's Penelope!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2860855320839977330&q=new+tenant+Penelope&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[dsc]

6. an election with one choice isn't much of an election

I realize that voting for Obama is the be all and end all for you but some of us might, just might, like the opportunity to vote for more than one candidate.

[SoonerPride]

12. "Michigan should be counted as is," said Clinton. Hmmm. Interesting.

You and Hillary should get together to figure out what you really mean to say.

[dsc]

14. She wanted a revote

Obama blocked it. I still would prefer a revote, but failing that, Obama shouldn't be enriched by his refusual to permit a revote. The delegates should be seated one way or another.

[SoonerPride]

18. That is patently false. Obama is NOT the Michigan Senate.

He blocked nothing.

Stop with the lies.

[dsc]

22. It was just a coincidence

that the state senators who endorsed him voted against the bill enmasse. I am sure he had nothing whatsoever to do with that. If you believe that I have swampland for you.

[joshcryer]

30. Or a bridge to sell.

[laugle]

37. You are

correct and that's why his nomination would be seen as illegitimate and we could lose the GE.

Floridians are mad as hell that their votes are not being counted. What's he afraid of, maybe the majority of dems don't support him??

[SoonerPride]

38. Fail.

He's our nominee.

[laugle]

40. Well at least we have

gardening in common....LOL

It's not good to count your chickens...............

Best to be nice to Hillary supporters..........can't win without us............LOL

[joshcryer]

26. His lawyers put out a lot of pressure though.

[wileedog]

20. Obama resisted it because

putting together a state primary is not like getting together a bowling league. There is an insane amount of money and work that goes into creating a vote for well over a million people and ensuring that it is on the level, verifiable and auditable.

I swear some of you approach this thing like its as simple as printing some ballots and handing them out.

And lets not even get into having various candidate supporters financing the thing. Does that seem remotely ethical to anyone?

THe fact is it is simply not doable anymore. All of this crying should have happened last year. Get over it.

[dsc]

25. Every single western country holds elections

involving multi parties in a matter of weeks yet one state, with full funding from other parties, can't. Give me a break.

[joshcryer]

28. He resisted it because they wanted to do a firehouse primary, and not a caucus.

I guarantee if they went with a caucus he would have been 100% behind it.

[tabasco]

31. Obama is not the DNC or the State of Michigan.

Your statement is a lie. Obama does not have the authority to "block" a re-vote.

Obama said he would go along with whatever the DNC and Michigan agreed to. They are the entities that plan and execute Democratic primaries. Not the candidates themselves. Anyone who says Obama is blocking a re-vote is a liar.

[dsc]

33. and it is just coincidence that all of the senators supporing him voted no

[redsoxrudy]

35. show me the proof

where did you see the roll call of the vote that was correlated with a list of his supporters? if i am wrong fine, but i think you are pulling that straight from your rear. if anything the uncertainty of MI&FL helps her. it muddies the waters and she can claim his victory is invalid or undemocratic or some other BS spin. just go ahead and add the numbers up. with MI&FL counted as is she still can't catch him in delegates or popular votes.

[dsc]

42. then he should have let the vote go forward

instead his supporters refused.

[Yael]

23. The Russians might disagree with you

[Cha]

32. Obama isn't calling for hilary to leave the race...but

if hilary were ahead she would be calling for Obama's head on a silver platter.

hilary the hypocritical liar.

[GarbagemanLB]

7. Ah, so the people's voice counts...I assume she'll agree that the nominee is the one who wins the mo

st pledged delegates, then...

[tritsofme]

13. Or maybe we will count the individual voice of each person that voted?

If you don't cross over 2024, then pledged delegates won't buy you a thing.

[GarbagemanLB]

19. So you agree that whoever wins the pledged delegates and popular vote should be the nominee?

[laugle]

39. If all 50 states vote and he

wins the popular vote, I will concede. CAVEAT: I don't think he would win the popular vote, that's why he doesn't want a revote!

But there will be a price to pay if the delegates aren't seated. And it may very well be too darn high.......

[Barack_America]

8. Her campaign keeps telling people that elections won't happen without Obama's say-so.

If you listen to them:

Obama's the one who gets to determine what happens in MI and FL

Obama's the one who decides whether or not PA, IN, NC, KY, WV, MT, OR, SD, Guam and PR even get have elections at all


Doesn't saying that just remind people over-and-over that Obama is the front-runner, Obama is the one with the power, Obama is the likely nominee, etc.?

Maybe not the smartest campaign strategy to keep reminding folks that you're losing?

[depakid]

11. Some of those in states that vote last think its nice to have their votes count

for a change.

What's so hard to understand about that?

[NC_Nurse]

15. Didn't he JUST SAY that she should stay in as long as she wants?

:wtf:

[Yael]

34. Yes, he certainly did, and in no uncertain terms

[Erin Elizabeth]

16. She's not even making any sense.

How would the primaries stop if she withdrew? They would still happen, just as they have in other presidential election years. Sounds like fear-mongering. "SCARY Obama is trying to TAKE YOUR VOTE AWAY!"

Sheesh.

[Cha]

17. hilary a Proven Busted LIAR..would you believe this

fried out liar?

[SunsetDreams]

29. well now I want her out for that charge against Obama's supporters!

She is working hard to lose my vote should be become the nominee.

Keep it up Hillary.