Thamks Hillary supporters: this is another thread you picked a fight on for no good reason.

[Perky]

Breaking: Obama: "As long as she wants" --Good on Ya Barack. for another moment of adult behavior
'As long as she wants'


Talking to reporters in Johnstown, Pa., Saturday, Barack Obama said Hillary Clinton “can run as long as she wants.”

“She should be able to compete, and her supporters should be able to support her as long as they are willing or able,” Obama said.

His comments contradicted those Friday by Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) that appeared intended to nudge Clinton out of the race.

Obama said the notion that the party is divided is “somewhat overstated.” But he said Democrats must pivot quickly to the general election after the primary contests end in June.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/The_long_haul.html

GOOD FOR HIM. EVERYONE SHOULD APPLAUD THIS STATEMENT OF PROFOUND SANITY!

All the Adults on DU should kick and reccomend this statement!

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Wait..the Hillbots on here said Obama was scared and was pushing for her to concede...

[flor de jasmim]

2. But they never listen to him!

[papau]

69. Perhaps because they don't trust a fellow who has a lot of advisers/surrogates saying the opposite

[writes3000]

3. "Hillbots"? Really? Can we move on from that?

I do agree that Obama isn't scared at all. He's standing stronger than ever.

[zonkers]

27. What else do you call those that post based on blind emotion, not fact? I like Hillbot.

[writes3000]

40. How about "The Hillary supporters who post based on blind emotion"?

We are going to have to unify eventually. Ending the antagonistic name-calling would be a smart place to start.

[lapfog_1]

73. I tried that approach for 2 months...

and got called every name in the book (koolaid drinker, cult member, childish, Obamaton, Obamabot, Obamanation, etc, etc).

So now I have 260 DU "contributors" on ignore... and should one slip through, I add them as quickly as possible.

Now is NOT the time to offer olive branches, they will eat the olives and then bite you on the fingers. This isn't over yet, despite logic and reason and math.

[niceypoo]

96. Actually, if Obama wants support of all democrats, it IS time to offer 'olive branches.'

In the form of, say, rational discussions about why Hillary supporters should support Obama?
The 'rabid hateful pirhana,' approach is costing Obama a lot of votes he will need next fall. This is what republicans do, not Democrats.

[JayFredMuggs]

107. You brilliant Hillary supporters should be able to figure out why

On your own.

End the war in Iraq, versus 100 years more.

That's about enough for most logical thinkers.........some Hillary supporters want more logic.......well I'm sure they can figure it out unless they are really only here for their own personal payoff for supporting Obama over Hillary.

[JVS]

117. That's too long. How about shit-heads?

[niceypoo]

94. I've noticed that threads with 'hillbot' in post titles tend to become locked fairly quickly...

[cali]

8. Here's what those little bots will say now:

Leahy is nothing but a tool of the Obama campaign, cast to play bad cop to Obama's good cop.

[joshcryer]

14. Nope, I say what I always said, he's a politician.

Nothing more nothing less. But it's good that Obama has debunked the myth that he is the nominee! It should be amusing to remind Obama supporters here now. With his own words.

[JayFredMuggs]

108. And Hillary Rodham............got elected a few months BEFORE she moved to NY state?

Because she WASN'T a politician?

Oh OK!

[bhikkhu]

38. Why answer a positive reasonable post with an immediate insult?

Why is the first reply on so many posts a flamebaiting post hijack?

A little civility and respect please, out of consideration for your candidate.

[DrFunkenstein]

4. He Has a Way With Words

Can't think of a more effective way of graciously putting her on deathwatch.

[joshcryer]

10. He knew it would be politically irresponsible, if not catastrophic, to deem himself the nominee.

So I wonder how many supporters here will shut the fuck up about him being the presumptive nominee.

[cali]

25. I've never said that he is the nominee

I do say that unless there's a complete implosion of his candidacy, he will be the nominee. And nothing Obama says or doesn't say is going to change that assessment.

[joshcryer]

56. Oh if he claimed to be the nominee I'm sure your assessment would change drastically.

[Perky]

63. But "CRYER" he did not say that all

He said she should saty in the reace when asked if she should get out.

[joshcryer]

81. I didn't say he did.

Reading comprehension problems, much?

[cali]

86. and of course you'd be wrong as you so inevitably are.

[joshcryer]

90. *shrug*

I wasn't the won saying "Obama is out of the race and doomed and it is all over" a few months back.

You were.

I predicted this outcome pretty fucking impeccibly if I do say so myself, as I encouraged you not to give up and that it looked like it was in fact in your favor.

But you forget too easily.

[anonymous171]

5. Good. Now she can't whine about the men attacking her.

There goes the pity vote.

[joshcryer]

6. Hah, owned, he can't admit that he believes himself to be the nominee.

Beautiful. I love this political season.

[anonymous171]

9. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Entitlement does no one good. Just ask Hillary, it was entitlement that drove her this far down.

[joshcryer]

12. Not really, it was the MSM created horse race. She'll win the next few rounds.

And just because they want it to go to the convention. But you people are too ignorant to understand it.

[anonymous171]

16. If you mean PA, then yes. But NC is not looking good for her.

[joshcryer]

20. Watch and see, the MSM can't afford for it to end in a month, they have 3 months of shit to spew.

Just watch.

[cali]

30. No she won't. She'll win PA and LOSE NC and IN

and the MSM is only one factor, but you're too ignorant to deal with complexities.

[joshcryer]

Please don't call me ignorant. I predicted her 'wins' in March.

Most of you were too naive and arrogant to see how the media so easily manipulates the race. In fact, most of you soak it up like the hapless consumers that you are.

[Perky]

43. Did you predicted her losses as well?

[joshcryer]

53. Yes, I was 100% correct on all her wins and loses.

Many people here thought she was completely done, out, toast. Then when I pointed out the MSM narrative people complained.

[writes3000]

44. You call other people ignorant but you complain when you're called ignorant?

You're awfully comfortable doling out the insults.

[joshcryer]

50. I do when I know I'm in the right.

There was no substance to the insult. Insults, or rather, honest characterizations are fine as long as they are substantiated.

[apocalypsehow]

61. However, that is not the case here: not one thing you have posted in this thread has been anywhere

close to accurate. Not one. So your "honest characterizations" are, in point of fact, phony.

[joshcryer]

82. Feel free to substantiate your baseless generalizations.

:hi:

[writes3000]

70. Up until now, I thought you were one of the reasonable, humane posters here.

I see that I was wrong.

Enjoy stewing in your "rightness".

I'll look to other Clinton supporters to appreciate what we all have in common.

[joshcryer]

83. I back up my comments, unlike most people here.

If you don't like that, then I don't know what to tell you. I get a lot of shit here. I don't take shit. It's simple. If someone is going to throw a fucking one liner at me they better be prepared to back themselves up. Simple.

[apocalypsehow]

64. It's called "Rules for thee but not for me": the HRC boosters are experts practitioners of it.

Like the HRC shill with the idiotic graphic who runs around stalking Obama supporters all the while accusing them of "stalking" her. It really is quite amusing.

[joshcryer]

84. I believe if you follow the course of the discussion I am being fair minded.

I am not spouting useless one liners without at least the promise of backing up my words. Unlike so many people here who stalk me or otherwise harrass me for what I say.

Unlike most of you I am *not* anonymous.

[cali]

87. Oh, so you can call others ignorant but don't like it when it gets

thrown back at you? Tough shit.

[joshcryer]

91. I don't like it when it's unsubstantiated.

As in the case of your comments. I'm backing myself up. You try to do the same, OK?

[Patchuli]

105. Do as I say and not as I do?

"But you people are too ignorant to understand it."

I'm sure the media can still manufacture plenty of spew to fill the time slots with or without Hillary.

[L0oniX]

101. So go ahead and click your ruby slippers a few times. That should work for ya.

[otohara]

7. There He Goes Again

I am outraged!

[mudesi]

11. If the roles were reversed

I'd have no doubt that Clinton would have said the exact opposite.

[joshcryer]

19. Your vile supposition and speculation has no place here.

Oh wait, I guess it does. But it's still dispicible.

[mudesi]

35. My speculation is based on her behavior

Nothing more, nothing less.

[joshcryer]

42. Your view of her behavior is distorted and wrong.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And when she gracefully steps down most of the people here will continue their vile slander against her until she's pushed into obscurity.

[IndianaGreen]

21. Hillary is the patriarchy's "girl' when she has to

but the feminist when it is convenient. A male candidate would have dropped out or been ignored by media by now. Hillary wants it both ways.

[joshcryer]

26. The media wants a horse race, it would be assinine to expect a virtual tie to just end tomorrow.

You really have not been paying attention to any of our election cycles.

[IndianaGreen]

34. There is no "virtual tie" in here. Hillary lost the nomination just as Kucinich has

Right now she is nothing but a megaphone for McCain.

[joshcryer]

39. If she lost the race then Obama would not be saying she should continue running.

See how wonderful it is that Obama had to back off his rhetoric? :)

[OzarkDem]

13. Is he giving her permission?

That's what it sounds like. Obama has a very strict view of women's ability to make their own decisions, certainly not one I agree with.

[Perky]

18. Could you make an anyore stupid and childish statement?

[OzarkDem]

23. Sorry, but that's how it sounds

Maybe he should choose his words more...nah, that wouldn't help.

[Perky]

41. You really need to get ouy in the sunshine once in a while

No one is giving anyone "permission" to do anything.

[OzarkDem]

49. No, he's not arrogant or condescending at all

[Perky]

62. Where is that video of Hillary talikg about the heavenly choirs?

Where is that clip of Hillary saying that Obama would be a great VP even though he was ahead of here in popular votes and delegates?

[Perky]

75. What's the matter Ozark. No smippycomeback?

[dkf]

31. hahaha. Leave it to a Hillary person to resent Obama's kind gesture.

Never satisfied. Figures.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

36. Didn't you say Obama was sexist because he was a Muslim?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5024202&mesg_id=5024992

Which referred to your deleted statement saying the same thing.

[dkf]

51. I don't get all this reflexive "sexist" and "patronizing" accusations

from women.

Could it be the same thing Obama was talking about when he said Reverend Wright can't move on? Maybe older women can't move on either...

I honestly don't hear women my age complaining about sexism, unless its about how men think of only one thing.

[mkultra]

109. i couldnt understand what you said

i was thinking about sex

[meow mix]

15. He's been way to kind and gracious to Hillary, through the entire Primary

imo.
i know thats just how he is.

[IndianaGreen]

17. A male candidate with no mathematical change of winning most delegates would have dropped out by now

or a lot of pressure would have been put on him to do so. Hillary wants it both ways. She wants to be treated as an equal to male candidates, but when it is convenient for her, she wants to be treated differently.

Her entire life has been this duality of being a feminist when necesary, or pandering to the patriarchy when it is strategically advantageous to her.

[joshcryer]

22. You're very bad with generalizations.

Especially when they are sexist.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Hillary is the one that is sexist!

How many variants of her name has she used during her career? Hillary Rodham, Hillary Rodham-Clinton, and now Hillary Clinton.

Once she goes back to New York to plot her next career move, I predict that she will resurrect the Rodham name.

[joshcryer]

33. No candidate with nearly half the votes and delegates would drop out. Male or otherwise.

It's amazing such a long time poster could even possibly come to that conclusion. A "male candidate" would not have dropped out if the roles were reversed. It's assinine.

[Perky]

52. We agree on little but we agree on that.

ANd you apparently agree with Obama.

[joshcryer]

55. I think Obama will take it but I think it's ridiciulous that this is being portrayed that way.

I mean seriously. Neither can win without superdelegates, neither can win without electablity perception and historical political arguments. If it was that easy Obama would have won by now.

[Perky]

59. He was asked a question

and he said she shouls stay in as long as she wants.


WOuld you have only been happy if hf siad he would concede the reace if she did not stay in?

[joshcryer]

85. I was talking to the other poster, read their nonsense. They think a male would drop out...

...if the roles were reversed, but because it's so close such a concept is proposterous.

[murielm99]

68. If anyone makes a play on words with

Obama's name, or points out that he used to call himself Barry, you all scream racism, at the very least. And while I agree that those using his middle name are using it as a slur, it is his name.

I could do something like Clinton has done with my name. I have a maiden name, and two married names that I have used in my life. I could use my middle name or initial. I could use a nickname that has been a holdover from my childhood. I considered legally changing my first name to that nickname at one time. I decided against it, because I was named for my grandmother.

There is nothing sexist about her varying her name. It reflects how women have been regarded in our society. They have been treated as subordinate to a husband, and in the past, required to merge their identity with his. Look at how many older women used to sign their names "Mrs. Dan Smith," rather than "Susan Smith."

Some of you will grasp at any straw to criticize Clinton.

[usrbs]

112. So fucking what?

Who cares? Didn't Barack use to be called Barry?

[totodeinhere]

24. Saying she "can" run is not the same as saying that she should.

Obama probably realizes that she won't quit no matter what he says, so why bother?

[joshcryer]

28. No, he doesn't want to legitimize her candidacy.

But by the same token he can't just declare himself the winner.

Because he's not.

Yet.

[RichardRay]

57. 'Fact-Value' distinction

Talking to reporters in Johnstown, Pa., Saturday, Barack Obama said Hillary Clinton “can run as long as she wants.”

“She should be able to compete, and her supporters should be able to support her as long as they are willing or able,” Obama said.

emphasis mine

Very careful phrasing, there. It is 100% true that she can run. It would be way off base to say otherwise - that's a Fact. Then he says that she ..."should compete and her supporters should be able to support her as long as they are willing or able." That's a Value. Trying to conflate them is a really basic mistake.

What he's done here is make a clear statement of fact and expressed his opinion on the subject; the fact cannot be argued, the opinion is gracious.

Which is, in my experience, one of the characteristics that leads me to support him.

[merh]

32. His comments on The View yesterday.

He didn't go for Hillary's throat when he could have, he stayed above the mess.

He said that "Senator Clinton is a bright and dedicated public servant, she was my friend before this contest began and she will be my friend after it ends" (See part 3 of the interview as posted in the political video forum.)

Links to all three parts of the interview are posted in GDP here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5304603

[Life Long Dem]

37. Yeah, not what Obama suggested but what reporters said. Big difference.

Obama said it would be nice to have some campaigning time before the convention.

[Beacool]

45. Thank you

for giving us permission to vote for whomever we want. How kind of you.........

“She should be able to compete, and her supporters should be able to support her as long as they are willing or able,” Obama said.

:sarcasm:

[Perky]

47. Seems like all Clinton supporters want to do is pick a fight when ever there is a chance

LIke I told Ozark Dem... You folks need to throw open the curtains and let some sunshine in.

[Beacool]

54. Maybe it's you folks who should let in the light.

His words come off as arrogant. It's not up to him to decide whether Hillary should stay in the race or whether her supporters should continue voting for her or not. What plenty of you don't get is that one of the many reasons that Hillary still has as much support as she has is that there are many Democrats who do not want Obama for president and urge Hillary to stay until the end. It's not all about her, it's about electing the best person for the job, and for quite a few of us Obama is not it.

[Perky]

58. Of course it is is not for him to decide and that is exactly what he said.

Good god youii people are moronic sometimes.

[Beacool]

111. Moronic? Typical response of his blind followers. n/t

[mkultra]

110. perhaps you cast him as arrogant

His statement is clearly an acknowledgment of her validity as a candidate.

His said nothing demeaning nor did he allude to it. He said that despite what some people may say, he thinks she should stay in the race as long as she wants to.



Take a breath and think about it.

[yellerpup]

46. K&R!

I love it that he doesn't make dumb mistakes, or talk before he thinks... Good for him. Que sera sera.

The way I read it, he wasn't giving 'permission', he was kind of standing up for her decision to stay in the race.

Edited to ad Q.

[Cha]

48. Doesn't really "contradict" Leahy's

statement. Leahy thinks for himself as does Obama..not in lockstep.

[Life Long Dem]

60. What's Obama going to say anyway?

Of course Hillary can stay in the race as long as she wants. She has all the rights in the world to do so.

That doesn't take away the question of "when is Hillary going to quit?". Texas will wipe her out, PA, will wipe her out, an so on. So the question remains when is Hillary going to quit?

[Cha]

72. If Obama were down like

hilary is in delegates..she would definetly be tellin' him to get out. But, hilary's not only a world class LIAR..she's a World Class Whiner.

Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-27-08 05:51 PM
Original message
Bosnia story fuels perception of dishonesty of Clinton

Bosnia story fuels perception of dishonesty of ClintonBy Kathy Miller | The Hillary Project

By: Russell Goldman

ABC News - Sen. Hillary Clinton is dodging bullets. Not from Bosnian snipers but political opponents and pundits who have assailed her recent "misstatements" about a trip to Bosnia 12 years ago.

An apparent contradiction in statements Clinton made about a 1996 trip to Bosnia as first lady, which she claimed last week included the threat of sniper fire before later recanting, has raised the specter of dishonesty and untrustworthiness that has plagued her campaign from its beginning.

The backlash put Clinton on the defensive early this week, and not for the first time. Her campaign dealt with a perception of dishonesty long before the Bosnia trip became an issue.

In a USA Today/Gallup poll from March 16, 44 percent of Americans polled called Clinton "honest and trustworthy," compared to 67 percent and 63 percent respectively for Sen. John McCain, R–Ariz., and Sen. Barack Obama, D–Ill.

In an ABC News exit poll after the most recent primary March 11, half of Mississippi Democratic voters said Clinton was not honest and trustworthy. By contrast, 70 percent of voters found Obama honest and trustworthy votes.

Part of Clinton's perceived untrustworthiness no doubt stems from her association with her husband, former President Clinton, who was embroiled in a 1998 sex scandal with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

As the campaign season began heating up, even former supporters questioned the couple's honesty.

"Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it's troubling," one-time supporter and Hollywood mogul David Geffen said of the Clintons in The New York Times in February 2007.

Voters may not be able to enumerate the lies the Clintons have told -- excluding perhaps Bill Clinton's denial and then admission of the Lewinsky affair -- but there is a perception that they have a reputation for lying, said Matthew Dowd, a Republican strategist and ABC News political consultant.

"There is a perception among voters that there is an honesty problem with the Clintons. In polls they both rate poorly on honesty and trustworthiness," Dowd said.

"Voters have come to a belief about them, and it matters little how much real evidence there actually is. Hillary raises people's suspicion levels because she carries her husband's baggage. People see her and think to themselves, 'are we going back to these same problems?'"

The latest flap pits Clinton's words of last week about the 1996 plane landing in the restive city of Tuzla, Bosnia, that she said involved a threat of snipers against the words of her 2003 autobiography, which describe the same trip in less than action-packed prose.

"I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia," Clinton said last week. "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

Portraying herself as a battle-hardened foreign policy expert, Clinton has referenced that dash across the tarmac under the threat of snipers at several campaign stops.

But after CBS News aired video Monday that showed her on the tarmac receiving flowers from young girls, Clinton dialed down her language.

On Monday, the New York Democrat told the Philadelphia Daily News that she "misspoke" about the way she was received in Bosnia and that "we had to land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire," but no actual shots were fired at her.

She has since referred people to a passage from her autobiography and insisted she merely misspoke for the first time in 12 years. "You know I have written about this and described it in many different settings, and I did misspeak the other day. This has been a very long campaign. Occasionally, I am a human being like everybody else," she told Pittsburgh radio station KDKA on Tuesday. "… I have written about it in my book and talked about it on many other occasions, and last week, you know, for the first time in 12 or so years I misspoke."

Sensing the opportunity, Obama's camp sent out an e-mail Monday that included links to CBS' footage of Clinton's trip.


Mom Made It Up

Clinton said she had not "misspoke" in 12 years. That is enough time to clear her of an incident in 1995 in which upon meeting Sir Edmund Hillary in Nepal, she told The New York Times that she had been named for the famous climber of Mount Everest. When it was later discovered that Clinton was born six years before Hillary's summit of the mountain, Clinton said it was a story her mother had made up.

In 2000, Clinton apologized for categorizing the shooting of an unarmed immigrant Amadou Diallo by New York City police a "murder."

"I misspoke," she said on WNBC's "News Forum" Feb. 13, 2000. "That was just a misstatement on my part," she said.


The Candidate Stands Alone

Despite Clinton's inexorable connection to her husband, supporters quickly note that it is she who is running for president and not the Clintons.

"Sen. Hillary Clinton is running for president. Not the Clintons. She should be judged on her own merits," said Lanny Davis, a former Bill Clinton adviser and author of "Truth to Tell: Tell It Early, Tell It All, Tell It Yourself."
"Excluding President Clinton's private conduct, for which he has condemned himself more harshly than anyone else, I defy someone to come up with real evidence of a lie or untruth the Clintons have told," said Davis. "We're hearing language like 'untruthful' and 'secretive' coming from the Obama camp, but there is nothing to back it up." Bosnia Story May Fuel Perception of Dishonest.SOURCE: ABC News

Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 4:40 pm

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-detai...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=108x128063

[L0oniX]

102. Good point. She'd probley also make another offer for him to be vp if...

he were down in pledged delegate votes.

[Buzz Clik]

65. It was a quality gesture by Obama, and a predictable reaction from the Hillfolk.

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. But I thought we were all sexists?

Personally I am holding out for another boycott. :evilgrin:

[Mike03]

67. This is a perfect example of how SOME of Obama's "supporters" are

inadvertently undermining the spirit of Obama's campaign. I did it myself in a post where I agreed with Pat Leahy until someone informed me that he had been a long-time Obama supporter.

We need to be very careful and (if possible) respectful of Senator Clinton. I do respect her; however, many Obama supporters don't share my feelings.

I can't argue with your premise. Glad you posted this.

[Life Long Dem]

71. She has a right to stay in the race.

That doesn't take away the question of "when is Hillary going to drop out?" She loses Texas today. she does very badly in PA, the rest are no better. She goes to the convention and says what? She doesn't have the popular vote, she doesn't have the delegates, she doesn't have the SD, What does she have?

She as all the right to continue. I wouldn't mind, but the beating and bashing is only giving the repubs ammo and McCain already has a video of Bill Clinton that looks like an advertisement for McCain. What good is this to the democratic party if we smear Obama and turn every off.

[Mike03]

76. I admit, I'm very, very torn on this. In the past two weeks I have made

two posts suggesting that if she cannot win she should drop out. But this morning I was thinking about how strange I felt thinking about the fact that I had actually said that, when I'm still a bit pissed at Edwards for leaving even though he had no chance.

Also, I thought the Leahy announcement was important until I was told that he was a dedicated Obama supporter.

My heart wants this to be over.

But I don't know enough to assert with any confidence that Obama will be the nominee and that Clinton cannot possibly win, simply because educated, intelligent people on both sides of this debate disagree! I don't know more than them, so I have to defer to them until this issue is settled.

My brain tells me that I'm being a hypocrite to expect or ask that Clinton leave the race. I respect her a great deal. She is not my preference, but she's a brilliant person.

[Life Long Dem]

88. It wouldn't be so bad if we all weren't at each other's throats.

But after numerous times of reaching out to Hillary supporters, I'm finding that more difficult than anything. It's not a one way street.

[lapfog_1]

74. I'm guessing from the number of mini flame wars in this thread...

the boycott of DU by the HillShills is over???

[apocalypsehow]

77. Their "official" arrival back on the scene to disrupt isn't scheduled til Tuesday, but some of the

more vicious ones - like my *ignored* stalker/serial liar with the idiotic graphic - have slipped the traces and gotten an early start on the shit-flinging festival.

[lapfog_1]

78. 24 of 77 posts are from people that I won't allow myself to read

mostly because I won't waste my time anymore with them.

That includes whoever is "stalking" you.

[apocalypsehow]

80. That cuts both ways with me, and I'm genuinely conflicted about expanding my *ignore* list from the

current one poster to a number of them, like you have.

The problem comes when that poster, knowing you have them on ignore, posts blatant falsehoods about you. This happened recently.

I belong to another board, a strictly pro-Obama board, and several members there, who have my "real world" e-mail address, lurk at DU because they enjoy the latest breaking news, the pro-Obama posts, etc. One of them e-mails me last night and tells me claims - untrue claims - are being made about me by my *ignored* poster in a thread I was participating in.

This person e-mailed me the gist of these claims. Had that person not known both my "real world" e-mail address and DU identity, and had she not just *happened* to be lurking at DU, specifically GD: P, that claim would have stood un-refuted, and hundreds of DU'ers and outside lurkers would right now believe a patent falsehood about me (several falsehoods, in fact).

So, though I'm moving more and more toward the multiple ignore solution to some of the headaches, incidents like that give me pause.

Like I said, I'm conflicted on it. :shrug:

Peace.

[madrchsod]

95. 24? ---i cleaned mine and had to put 2 on

right after i came back to this forum...

[apocalypsehow]

97. There was a poster the other day who said he had something like 220 people on ignore!

I can't remember the exact context or number, but it was in that range.

:wow:

[lapfog_1]

106. My current count is 291. - n/t

[lapfog_1]

99. There were 24 posts (out of the 77 at the time)

from one or more posters on my (extensive) ignore list.

There are presently 291 individual handles on my ignore list, many of whom are likely the same person in different incarnations after being granite cookied.

[madrchsod]

104. i was wondering about reincarnations...

i put the racists on ignore and humor the rest

[PatGund]

103. They left?? n/t

[cooolandrew]

79. It was very gracious and considerate of him all things in consideration.

[bvar22]

89. Hillary has every right as an American citizen ...

...to keep attacking the inevitable Democratic nominee and help the Republicans WIN in '08.

*Joe Lieberman had every right to run as an Independent AGAINST the Democratic nominee in '06.

*Ralph Nader had every right to run against Al Gore and help the Republicans WIN in 2000.

*Hillary supporters have very right to continue supporting Hillary.

Nice crowd.

[graycem]

92. Why the complaining about this of all things??

He was asked his OPINION, which he apparently gave honestly, not permission. Why read something into it, that just isn't there? I think labeling his confidence for arrogance is a huge leap. Our president now is arrogant, our president to be is confident... what a nice change that is going to be. :)

[madrchsod]

93. i take it you have`t been here that long....

you are correct in your appeal to reason

[graycem]

113. You are correct...

I have been lurking and reading since I stumbled across the site, a link from Kos I think, a few weeks ago... but only started posting in the past day. Let's see if I can keep my reason. :P

[madrchsod]

115. i gave up on kos several years ago...

i was so used to using this site i became hopelessly confused trying to post at kos.

[AmericanUnity]

98. I used to like the Clinton's - until I realized they're selfish beyond words.

[Hav]

100. Strange place...

So Obama says what Hillary Clinton's supporters have argued for weeks: that it's ultimately only her decision and that she shouldn't be forced out of this democratic process...and he's called arrogant for that? How messed up is this?

[Shakespeare]

114. Yup. They just can't resist.

For all their carping about Obama supporters (which I am not, btw), I've seen Hillary supporters be some of the nastiest, most vicious trolls (and I use that word deliberately, because that's what they're acting like) I've ever seen on this site.

The Obama supporters are a little gloat-y, but many (FAR too many) of the Hillary supporters are just flat-out nasty.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

116. Yes - that was good of him....

Now if his supporters could take a cue from him.

[pbca]

118. Yet another reason why

I'm putting every Hillary supporter on ignore - and plan on keeping them there. They are not reasonable people and I no longer value their opinions. DU is a much better place since I started hitting the ignore button and I have no reason to believe that it won't continue to be more pleasant for the weeding.

They are, certainly, entitled to their opinion and their vote - but they are not entitled to have me listen to them (that is not covered at all in the first amendment).

[Bluebear]

119. LOL