Hillary has gained critical support from women, Jews, Latinos, military,gays, Asians

[pathansen]

1. Jewish Super-Delegates supporting her 3 to 1 against Obama
Source: United Jewish Communities
http://www.ujc.org/page.html?ArticleID=171810
2. The 3 "God Damn America" sermons damaged Obama's image with military
3. Hillary got 65% vote from Latinos while Richardson only got 1%
4. The many ridiculous attacks on Hillary causing more women to support her.

[mac2]

1. All candidates need the support of the "vast middle" to

win an election.

[susankh4]

5. This is the absolute truth!

Noone has to like it, but it is true.

The GOP is running a very centrist character in 2008... if we can't move toward center to compete, we are really in trouble!

[mac2]

10. Not the vast "centrist political philosophy" but appeal to

what most Americans believe n their country and their Constitution (contract of the people with their government). The vast number of Americans who are the middle working classes.

Congress and the candidates "centrist views and voting" is to the far right not in the middle. Globlism and those trade deals are not part of that plan by most citizens. It negates our democracy and borders without our discussion and vote.

[susankh4]

15. Still

Middle America perceives John McCain to be a moderate. And running off the deep left end will not win with the working class. It will only make us vulnerable to his attacks and accusations. That is my point.

Being anti-globalism will win, if it presented well. And being pro-constitution will go a long way towards healing the rift we now feel. But.... noone has to like it .... to admit that patriotism wins in middle America.

I live here, and don't I know it... all too well. Start talking "anti-U.S.A." and there is no way we can win. The hackles go up and it's over.

[mac2]

25. What will win in America?

"It's the economy stupid" Clinton. These trade deals are killing us.

[susankh4]

27. You tell me...

how to swing the swing states...

I am only a stupid Ohio woman who don't know sh**

[mac2]

33. A plan to return our corporations and good jobs to America.

The WSJ had an article about a Blackstone CEO (not the owner but a employee in a corporation) writing his own salary check for $80 million a year. He did not add profit to the group either. Where is that Corporate Responsibility Act that Congress passed?

[pathansen]

88. With the exception of Blacks, Hillary appears to represent the real Democrats

[pathansen]

22. Women make up more than half the population, you know

[DerekJ]

2. ". Jews apparently uncomfortable with Obama's various Muslim ties"

Again with the B.S:
Here:


http://www.gallup.com/poll/105595/Clinton-Obama-Closely-Matched-Among-Jewish-Democrats.aspx

[susankh4]

6. I think this particular issue will be a moot point

once Leiberman gets ahold of them. He will have tremendous pull for the pro-Israel vote. And he is at John McCain's side night and day.

Angling for some top cabinaet position, no doubt.

[DerekJ]

13. The Jewish people in America are mostly very educated, very aware, and politically active people.

They are not those dumb fools type that you can brain wash, or terrify to submit to you. And don’t think for a second, that all Jews are pro – Israel. I have an Israeli Jewish aunt (and her husband and both of her sons) and a Jewish in-law, they both have views on Israel that are like night and day.

[susankh4]

17. I am not asking anyone to submit to *me.*

My Jewish friends are independents, and leaning McCain this time around.

Just sayin.

[DerekJ]

21. Well, ask them to sort out their priorities.

They are Americans before they are loyal to Israel, and the U.S. is currently competing to get a place among the third world countries in many aspects including, women status, human rights, spending on education, and the list goes on. If you don't get your act together, it will be a sad fucking day for the whole bloody world.

[susankh4]

23. They are quite educated...

and I don't generally lecture them.

[JoFerret]

83. You mean you don't "preach'" at "them"

how refreshing.

(Don't tell the Obama supporters. They are into "our" time)

[JoFerret]

40. Mine are all over the map, mostly democrats

But a few democrats are a little uneasy about Obama although they would love to support a black candidate. But not necesarily this one.

There's no simple answer or analysis. But I do think Obama will have to do some heavy duty reassuring (pandering) because there is unease out there. (Not to mention the minefield of zionism, anti-antisemitism - real and imagined - and the like to be navigated. Good luck to any of them stepping there.)

[mac2]

30. The anti-war groups in America have many Jews in them.

They have joined Palestinians in their protests.

Jews in Israel are in the streets protesting the invasions, killing, etc. They live in constant fear not the "couch potatoes" who watch the war on TV in America or profit off it in the stock market.

I have to admit I miss those Jewish political action journalists who spoke truth to power during Vietnam today. Maybe be it's the media who won't give them a voice?

[goldcanyonaz]

36. Those Jews are very much in the minority.

Most will protect their land till the end.

[DerekJ]

39. No that is not true.

It is just the pro-Israel Jews, have a much louder voice, because of AIPAC, and their influence.

[goldcanyonaz]

42. Pro-Israel Jews? Most Jews are pro-Israel, not against their land.

This is why the majority of the Jewish vote will be lost if Obama is the nominee. The majority of Jews want and need protection from those who are trying to wipe them off the face of the earth.

[DerekJ]

49. See post number 2, and then follow the posts between me and susankh4, I am not going to repeat

myself again.

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. That is so false

I have many Jewish relatives and friends. Most are very progressive. None of them support AIPAC or worry about being wiped off the face of the earth. I think that meme is being promoted by the evangelicals. Sorry to see you bought right into it.

[rockymountaindem]

71. Wrong

Obama is not anti-Israel. He has made various statements in affirmation of his support for Israel in the past, and various leaders in the Jewish community have attested to his support of Zionism. It's not contradictory to be pro-Israel and also pro-Obama.

[mac2]

41. What does that have to do with losing their land?

They have their land but are at constant war and fear. They are not being invaded but the aggressors. No one says Israel has no right to exist within their own borders. Jews and Palestinians want an end to the violence.

[goldcanyonaz]

45. Many in the Middle East do NOT feel that Jews should exist, and would like nothing more

than to have them removed from their land. Not all Palestinians feel this way, but a great majority do, and are educated from early on to hate Jews.

[mac2]

48. And who exactly are these many?

They are the few.

[DerekJ]

50. Oh, I see ... what else ... Go onnnn

[Thickasabrick]

55. Where are you getting your vast knowledge on how the majority

of palestinians feel?

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. Bullshit

They just want the land grab to stop.

[Mezzo]

37. I'm not sure Lieberman will have as much pool, but could be wrong...

I'm not sure the Jewish community will be as easily persuaded if Hillary is the nominee.

[Hippo_Tron]

84. "Once Lieberman gets ahold of them" give me a fucking break...

Jews don't vote collectively and pro-Israel doesn't mean pro-neocon. BTW, Lamont won Jewish Democrats.

[pathansen]

16. Jewish Super-Delegates supporting her 3 to 1 against Obama

According to United Jewish Communities:
"36 Jewish Super-Delegates have declared for Hillary Clinton while 12 Jewish Super-Delegates are supporting Barack Obama. Another 26 are undeclared."
http://www.ujc.org/page.html?ArticleID=171810

[DerekJ]

24. She is a New York senator !!!! And she won CA

Just look how many NY and CA are in this list.

CLINTON
Patti Higgins (AK-Chairwoman of Alaska Democratic Party)
Rachel Binah (CA-DNC)
Maria Echeveste (CA-DNC)
Diane Feinstein (CA)
Jane Harman (CA)
Brad Sherman (CA)
Rosalind Wyman (CA-DNC)
Ellen Camhi (CT-DNC)
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (FL)
Debra DeLee (MA DNC chair)
Barney Frank (MA)
Steve Grossman (MA-DNC)
Diane Saxe (MA-Clinton)
Nancy Kopp (MD-DNC)
Carol Pensky (MD-DNC)
Sander Levin (MI)
Anita Freedman (NH-DNC)
June Fischer (NJ-DNC)
Shelley Berkley (NV)
Gary Ackerman (NY)
Eliot Engel (NY)
Emily Giske (NY-DNC)
Steve Israel (NY)
Nita Lowey (NY)
Jerrold Nadler (NY)
Chuck Schumer (NY-Sen)
Sheldon Silver (NY)
Anthony Weiner (NY)
Randi Weingarten (NY-DNC)
Robert Zimmerman (NY-DNC)
Marcel Groen (PA-DNC)
Gov. Ed Rendell (PA)
Allyson Schwartz (PA)
Mark Weiner (RI-DNC)
Eric Kleinfeld (DC-DNC)
Robert Bell (Democrats Abroad-DNC)

OBAMA
Eric Garcetti (CA)
Adam Schiff (CA)
Robert Wexler (FL)
Jan Schakowsky (IL)
John Yarmuth (KY)
Paul Hodes (NH)
Steve Rothman (NJ)
Steve Cohen (TN)
Russ Feingold (WI-Sen)
Paul Strauss (DC-DNC)
Allan Katz (FL-DNC)
Alan Solomont (MA-DNC)

[mainer]

3. "various Muslim ties"???

And they would be?

[pathansen]

20. Father: born & raised Muslim, Muslim brother, Muslim stepfather, Muslim grandparents

Lived in Muslim country for 4 years. His pastor close friends with leader of Islam, etc.

[Smarmie Doofus]

26. Jews believe in religious intolerance and guilt by association?

Who knew.

[pathansen]

28. Actually, I do not know for sure why Jewish Superdelegates support Hillary 3 to 1

Comments made by Obama's pastor may have been the last straw.

[PM7nj]

65. Or maybe because she won NY and California?

She is a Senator from the state with the highest Jewish poulation! Maybe that is why! There are almost 2 million Jews in the New York City area...

[Levgreee]

29. Your claims are erroneous, so far I've found that his stepfather and grandparents weren't muslim

I am not sure about the brother, but it seems you are lying to try to incriminate Obama with more muslim ties than he actually has. I'd like to know where you've done your research.

Right out of the Republican playbook, lying to assist the Republican fear mongering. Why the hell do you even post on DU?

More research, he has five half-brothers, one of whom is Islamic. The other 4 are not.

[pathansen]

52. Paternal grandparents Muslim

Actually, I don't know why Jewish Super-Delegates are supporting
Hillary 3 to 1 against Obama.
It may have nothing to do with coming from Muslim family.

[Thickasabrick]

56. He doesn't come from a Muslim family. He was raised by a

Christian family. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Warren Stupidity]

78. I'm guessing that there are freepers in his family or close associates

Know what I mean? (Wink wink nudge nudge.)

[Levgreee]

31. Also, Indonesia is not officially a Muslim country. The majority are Islamic, but similiarly

to America, which is not a Christian nation, it is not a Muslim nation.

[DerekJ]

34. Yes it is.

And regardless, how is that a negative for Obama? :)

[Levgreee]

38. If it was an officially Muslim nation, with a Muslim government, like Iran or Pakistan

it could be bad for Obama. Not saying it should. But Indonesia is separate from those, and other countries with state-ran Islam.

[DerekJ]

47. Really, Muslim nations, are not all a Xerox of Iran or Saudi Arabia,

There are 57 Muslim nations and many others with majority of Muslims. The distinctions between them is as night and day.

Indonisia most populous Muslim-majority country has elected a woman president, the U.S. is yet to do so.

here she is:



Megawati Sukarnoputri (2001-2004)

I visited Egypt. You are yet to see the people there, not in any way close to whatever you think the "typical Muslim" should be.

[shimmergal]

80. According to my Indonesian grad-school roommate,

the country's population was approximately 2/3 Muslim, 1/3 Christian, with some adherents of other religions, esp. in the more rural areas.

The government was secular. They _may_ have had some requirements that various religions be represented in govt. jobs--not sure about that, but that's the biggest recognition the government gave to any religious identity.

Some of this could have changed in the years since--it's been a while--but I doubt the basic ratios, or the political approach, has majorly changed.

[EFerrari]

32. Do you have any idea how disgusting you're being?

Or is bigotry part of your progressiveness?

[Warren Stupidity]

46. Is 'muslim' infectuous?

"His pastor close friends with leader of Islam"

Is it like 'the gay'?

[proud2BlibKansan]

69. You are certainly not this dumb

I live in a red state. But I am not a Republican.

My uncle is a priest. But I don't believe it's okay to molest kids.

I am a teacher. But I don't have sex with my students.

Do I need to go on? Or are you really not stupid?

[mainer]

72. I have a jewish brother in law. I guess I have "Jewish ties."

But my mother's a Buddhist, my son's married to a Methodist, my brother-in-law's Jewish, and everyone else is Christian. As far as I know. Oh, and one of my best friends is lesbian.

I happen to be a straight atheist. But according to you, I have Jewish, Christian, and lesbian ties.

[Warren Stupidity]

76. I happen to be a straight atheist

I like my atheism on the rocks, with a twist.

[stillcool]

90. Recycling?

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

[Warren Stupidity]

44. Rev Wright

Look you cannot expect this shit to actually make sense. Obama's muslim tie is Rev Wright. Either that or it is the tie next to his silk tie. It is all just silly-ass looney toons nonsense. What are these idiots going to do when Clinton officially admits that her campaign is dead?

[MannyGoldstein]

4. I'm Jewish, And I Half Agree

I'm very, very critical of the Duplicitous Duo. But I'm not a supporter.

Anyway, the thing's over at this point. Now The Clintons are simply cementing their place in history.

[susankh4]

8. I hope that is right!

But I'm not yet convinced that the Dem party isn't going to run off a cliff this year.... in search of a "new electorate."

I have always been, and continue to call for... a Clinton/Obama ticket.

Let's just sadle up and have an argument! What's wrong with that? Haha! (I love Bill.) After we get it over with we can come together and make this thing work!

[Madam Mossfern]

7. That's funny,

As a Jew I support Obama, and from what I can tell from the people I speak to in the local Jewish community, it's more like Obama 75% and Clinton 25%. Now that's not a scientific poll, but just my experience in speaking to people.

[susankh4]

18. You must live in a liberal area...

do you?

Just curious.

[Madam Mossfern]

54. Yes, I do. nt

[susankh4]

82. You are lucky.

[JoFerret]

9. Don't forget gays

...many gays will always be very wary of a candidate who dismisses their issues and is happy to play political calculus with homophobes to win votes.

[Smarmie Doofus]

51. You mean a candidate like this?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main1600694.shtml

>>...many gays will always be very wary of a candidate who dismisses their issues and is happy to play political calculus with homophobes to win votes.>>

[kevinmc]

11. This sounds about as real as Hillary's Sniper Fire ..... n/t

[C_U_L8R]

12. You need to work on your delivery a little more

the punchline was getting a little lost.

Muslim ties? That's a good one.
If I didn't know you were joking I'd think you were a bigot.
Nice.

[bowens43]

14. keep dreamin..... she's done. It's over.

Despite the lies, the distortions and shit slinging by hillary and her commandos, she finished.

[EFerrari]

19. Well, no.

lol

[Mezzo]

35. This is a very exciting primary season. nt

[Vinca]

43. If everyone loves her and supports her, why is she losing? nt

[pathansen]

53. Media is biased.

[Thickasabrick]

57. Why is it that every Hillary troll hides their profile?

[Vinca]

58. Ya think? It's been Jeremiah Wright 24/7 for 10 days.

Obama should be in the basement, but the lead is growing. Of course there was the Bosnia blip, a self-inflicted wound that made Hillary look a bit off her rocker. That was a 2 news cycle story, although it was worthy of a couple more.

[anigbrowl]

86. Ah, a conspiracy theorist.

[IowaGirl]

89. Actually, her support seems to be growing with huge crowds that don't have to be bussed in like some

candidates' do.

[anonymous171]

59. Then why is she losing? And don't say media bias.

[jillan]

60. After Rev Wrights comments that Israel is a dirty word, it's no wonder that

people of the Jewish faith are voting for Hillary.

[Lucky 13]

61. ..... and is still losing.

But thanks for playing.

[Life Long Dem]

62. Yeah, you would think she would be winning then. Not!

[ampad]

63. LOL

At the supposed military support. I know with the boots on the ground she is getting much "support" :rofl:

[anonymous171]

64. I'm sure the Military just loves Hillary. Especially after learning she has had to evade sniper fire

[IndianaGreen]

68. I am a woman, a Jew, a Latina, and a LGBT military veteran, and I am for Obama, not Hillary

All Bill and Hillary Clinton are now doing is helping McCain and hurting Democratic chances in November. Considering how the Clintons did their share of damage to Kerry in '04, none of this surprises me at all.

Obama supports Israel while Hillary only supports the most rightwing elements in Israel. There is a vast difference between the two.

[AX10]

70. k/r

NOBAMA!

[mainer]

73. Hillary has Asians? When Obama won Hawaii in a blow-out?

If you count all the country's Asians (of which Hawaii has one of the largest populations) then Obama's winning them.

[against all enemies]

75. The Jewish, gay, military, female Asians all went to Hillary. In a landslide.

[Kahuna]

74. Typical Hillbot supporter. In spite of all the dividing you're doing,

her numbers STILL do no add up.

[donheld]

77. Apparently not enough

[my3boyz]

79. Military supporting Hillary? I don't think so...

I know that is not true at my husband's command (NAVY). Also, my friend was here visiting for two weeks. She was attending a school on a local base. The training was to prepare her to go to Iraq. She said all of the guys in her group were praying that Obama wins. She said if Obama does not win this she might never vote again. It was really on her mind though. We would be hanging out and she would say it out of the blue (that she wanted the war to be over and did not know what she would do if he did not win). Also on the other hand she was worried about his safety. She said they (did not specify who they was) would probably just kill him if he was elected.

[sueragingroz]

81. and what does that tell you?

most minorities are uncomfortable with :obama

[anonymous171]

85. Women aren't minorities FYI.

[pathansen]

91. Seems strange since both Obama & Richardson belong to minorities

yet don't get their support.

[Johnny__Motown]

87. the NYT/MSNBC poll disagrees with this information, she is way down, among all women also