You don't have to like Barack Obama

[mudesi]

You only have to accept that he is the Democratic nominee.

His health care plan is terrible.

He supports the death penalty.

He is against gay marriage.

He seems all too willing to "work with" the Republicans on too many issues.


But he's the nominee. Just because Clinton wants to run again in 2012, it doesn't change that fact. The infighting in this forum ought to have ended after Clinton lost Texas and barely squeaked out a victory in Ohio, if not weeks before then.

So do yourselves a favor and ignore the trolls stirring the pot. Let it sink. And attack Clinton like there was no tomorrow, because she is little more than a Republican at this point.

[DefenseLawyer]

1. In the words of the Nature Boy

Whether you like it or you don't like it, you'd better learn to love it, cause it's the best thing goin' today!

[loveangelc]

2. he's for the death penalty?

[Barack_America]

10. In limited cases...

When 'the crime is so heinous that mere imprisonment cannot reflect the public's wrath', to paraphrase.

So basically, for child-murderers, serial killers, cop killers, etc.

But he has worked tirelessly to ensure the death penalty be mediated fairly and rarely. As you may have heard, this has been a big issue in IL for some time.

[Blue_In_AK]

3. There's really no reason to attack Clinton

or her supporters like there's no tomorrow. She's (and they) are Democrats, too, you know.

[sandnsea]

4. Hillary said her plan could require up to 10%

of your income to pay for insurance, that may not provide a real prescription benefit, that may still require co-pays and deductibles, that may still have limits built into the insurance policies. That's right. Ten percent of your income for shitty insurance. And you'll be forced to pay it.

[shadowknows69]

9. Holy shit I think Michelle is grabbing his package in that photo!!!

[Maven]

5. "attack Clinton like there was no tomorrow"

And you plan to win over Clinton supporters with this garbage?

POSTS LIKE THIS ARE EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH GD-P

[yourout]

6. "ignore the trolls stirring the pot"........good idea.....bye.

[Johnny__Motown]

7. Can you back up all 3 of your claims please?

I thought he was for full repeal of the defensive marriage act while Hillary is not.


He has been working to prove the innocence of people on death row


His health care plan is 95% similar to Hillary's. By the time they get through congress the plans would be almost identical.

[Abacus]

11. Here:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm

I'd encourage you to visit the link for more nuance, but here is the summary.

Strongly Favors
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
(+5 points on Social scale)

Opposes
Death Penalty
(+2 points on Social scale)

[Johnny__Motown]

14. Umm....... did you read this stuff?

Gay rights

Being gay or lesbian is not a choice. (Nov 2007)
Decisions about marriage should be left to the states. (Oct 2007)
Homosexuality no more immoral than heterosexuality. (Oct 2007)
Ok to expose 6-year-olds to gay couples; they know already. (Sep 2007)
Has any marriage broken up because two gays hold hands? (Aug 2007)
We need strong civil unions, not just weak civil unions. (Aug 2007)
Legal rights for gays are conferred by state, not by church. (Aug 2007)
Disentangle gay rights from the word "marriage". (Aug 2007)
Gay marriage is less important that equal gay rights. (Aug 2007)
Gay rights movement is somewhat like civil rights movement. (Aug 2007)
Let each denominations decide on recognizing gay marriage. (Jul 2007)
Supports health benefits for gay civil partners. (Oct 2006)
Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)
Marriage not a human right; non-discrimination is. (Oct 2004)
Include sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws. (Jul 1998)


He is just trying to stop fighing over the word marriage



Although the pro death penalty seems to be correct, *Some heinous crimes justify the ultimate punishment. (Oct 2006)*




so you kinda are right on 1 out of 3

[Abacus]

15. I didn't write the OP, I agree with you.

But I didn't want to oversimplify a response.

[mudesi]

16. Not that it has anything to do with the point of the OP

But here you go.

Obama does not support gay marriage, though he does support civil unions.

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage

Obama supports capital punishment in "heinous cases".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/08/AR2007020802262_pf.html

But he supports capital punishment in cases "so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment."

Obama's health care plan is 95% similar to Hillary's. You said it, and you're right. Neither plan is tax payer funded single payer universal health care. Hence my labeling it as "terrible".

[walldude]

23. Cheater.. it also says this about Obama's gay marriage stance

"He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized."

That's from the same link you posted. Just a little dishonest, posting just the parts of the article that support your claims.

Letting states decide is not "against" gay marriage, for Obama it's a way to compromise his religious beliefs with his political beliefs...

[mudesi]

24. Sorry

That's not enough. There is no compromise when it comes to full equality for everybody. Being an advocate of gay marriage means supporting it across America without exception.

[stillcool]

26. I'm not understanding something...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5299038&mesg_id=5299301
Is holding out for the word "marriage" worth giving up equal rights?

[Catherine Vincent]

8. What's with you Obama supporters and "sink"?

"Kitchen sink"
"Let it sink"

What's next? "Sink or Swim"?

[Maddy McCall]

22. Do NOT say "flush it down" because that's racist.

:eyes:

:hi:

[Blue-Jay]

27. You can, however, say "let it mellow".

[donheld]

12. You, also, don't have to like Barack Obama supporters

To support him. I hate a few Clinton supporters and I have little to no respect for Hillary. I will still vote for Hillary if for no other reason than being selfish. I want the SCOTUS to swing left not right. In the hands of McCain I know it will swing right. With Hillary, and especially with Obama I have hope.

[Cant trust em]

18. Yup. you don't have to like Obama supporters

Obama supporters can go to hell! Oh wait, I'm one of them. Scratch that.

Seriously though. If you don't want to vote for Obama for the political reasons, that's fine. But no one should vote for another candidate because of the idiot supporters on DU or elsewhere.

[Maddy McCall]

13. I'm like that Jesus bumpersticker.

I don't hate Obama. It's his followers* I dislike.

Or

Obama, protect me from your followers.*









(*=some of them)

[Cant trust em]

17. Why do we have to attack anyone?

I'd rather have Hillary than a republican any day.

[mattclearing]

19. I don't think we have to attack Hillary.

I do think it's fair to question her, though. I mean, schmoozing the man who tried to destroy your family is pretty absurd.

[redqueen]

20. Bullshit. We need to attack McCain.

What utter silliness... attack her... because she's not the nominee? If you're so sure Obama's got it locked, then she should be an afterthought at this point.

Logic!

[depakid]

21. Welp- no matter how often you whinge- the fact is he's NOT THE NOMINEE

[democrattotheend]

25. Premature and divisive

Clinton is still in it to win it and so are her supporters. Crap like this just pisses them off and does nothing to earn Obama any votes. If the tables were turned and someone posted something like this about Clinton being the nominee and me "having" to accept her, I'd be so mad that I'd be really tempted to withhold my vote. Please consider deleting or revising this.