Obama could have said : If MY spouse was diddling a 22 y/o kid at work and

[elehhhhna]

under my own roof, she wouldn't be my spouse anymore.

But he hasn't.

Glass houses, Hil. Think about it.

[DrFunkenstein]

1. You don't choose your family.

Oh wait, sometimes you can. Damn you, reason and logic! Damn you to HELL!!!

[elehhhhna]

3. lol it kills me when she says that. Her irony meter is busted.

[progdog]

42. And that's the truth.

Love the license plate!

[redqueen]

12. .

:rofl:

[Drachasor]

43. "you don't choose your family" is wrong on a deeper level. Friends are like family, you accept them

Sure, they aren't perfect. Some friends might even have a few atrocious views, but that doesn't mean you end the friendship over one or two issues.

The most disturbing thing about the whole Wright controversy, is the idea that our politicians shouldn't have any friends that say anything most of the public dislikes. I'm sorry, but I don't want my leaders acting like judgmental jack***es.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. I guess he left to you.

Because he isn't weird enough to go there.

[dkf]

8. Obama doesn't want to run a "politics of personal destruction" campaign.

Hillary is willing to be complicit in the assassination of Rev. Wright's character.

I bet if we taped you for your whole life, we could get a bunch of nice juicy statements equivalent to Rev. Wright's.

I'm sure I've said quite a few incindiary things also.

And the word you use, "Weird", doesn't really fit. I find your use of it weird.

[ClayZ]

13. Yeah, and anyhow Pastor Wright helped the Clintons

with their Redemption Song!

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[ClayZ]

14. Yeah! And remember, Pastor Wright helped them....

edit: I don't know why this posted twice! I thoutht I deleted the first one. Sorry!


With their "Redemption Song".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Is A Twenty Two Year Old Woman A Kid?

~

[dkf]

9. Hey, everyone is laying off speaking Monica's name in front of Hillary's kid

and she is way older than 22.

You see Chelsea getting grilled by anyone? Talk about kid gloves.

I wonder how happy Hillary would have been with a man that did that to Chelsea when she was 22.

[SoCalDem]

20. Chelsea is a 28 year old child ..earning a 6-figure salary

(thanks to Mom & Dad's connections)...but somehow, she's still wrapped up in that same old comfy cocoon they spun for her when she WAS a child..


EVERY parent thinks of their kids as "kids"..no matter how old they are (our "baby" is almost 30, but we still see that toothless little goofy grin of his when he was 5..every now and then)...BUT in FACT, once they reach 21, they are "launched" into adulthood, and should expect to be treated like every OTHER adult..

Had Chelsea still wanted the Greta Garbo treatment, she should have stayed off the campaign trail..

By putting herself up there on a stage, with a microphone, as an official spokesperson, she GAVE up her privacy..and she SHOULD be questioned.. To act indignant about being asked a "personal question" was the odd part..

A better response would have been " That whole ordeal is behind us"..next question please?

[elehhhhna]

21. I found her fake smile head bob/nod at the end of that exchange chilling...

it reminded me of her Mama.

[JVS]

30. but.. but... but Limbaugh called her a dog 15 years ago, so she needs protection now

or something

[superkia]

41. As long as it doesnt affect them and theirs, its ok!

[Lucky 13]

11. Yes. A 22 YO INTERN is a KID compared to her 50+ boss, the most powerful man in the world.

Just sayin....

[theredpen]

18. I'm tired of the "Lewinski as victim" meme

The decisions that a woman makes at 22 should be respected as the decisions of an adult.

There was never any suggestion that she was coerced.

[SoCalDem]

22. She may have been the instigator....BUT

he was the penultimate BOSS...and she was the lowliest of "employees"..

For him to "accept" her overtures showed a lack of respect for workplace rules..at the very least..and shameful behavior at the most..

[theredpen]

25. Yeah, it was unprofessional and stupid

But there are a lot of people who seem to want it to be more than that... they want it to be some kind of exploitation.

[SoCalDem]

27. I never saw it that way.. I saw it as a compulsive/destructive impulse

from a man who "had everything" and was willing to risk losing it all...for personal "gratification"...with an insignificant underling..(and if it all happened the way he SAID it did, it did not sound all that gratifying :eyes: )

[theredpen]

28. Yeah, that, too

I think it raised legitimate "judgement" questions about Bill Clinton, I'm sad to say.

[Lucky 13]

33. That's not what I was implying. Sorry if it came out that way.

I wasn't trying to get a dig in on Bill or insinuate exploitation. If you are over 18 you can have sex with whomever you wish. And if you are a grown person, 40, 50, 90, whatever and someone who's 18 (or 22) wants to hop in the sack with you, it is by no means illegal. Unseemly and a little creepy maybe, depending on circumstance, but that's none of my business nor do I care.

All I was saying is that a 22 year old intern IS a "kid" when compared to her 50+ year old boss and leader of the free world. (And if Bill can call Obama a "kid" even though he's 40-something, I'd definitely put a 22 year old Monica Lewinsky squarely in the "kid" category... and to top it off I don't exactly think she's the brightest bulb on the tree either.)

The worst I will say about Bill is that it was a grandiose display of poor judgment. But who hasn't been guilty of that?

[theredpen]

34. Thanks for the clarification

"The worst I will say about Bill is that it was a grandiose display of poor judgment. But who hasn't been guilty of that?"

I always say, "The truly great make no small mistakes." (I forget who said that originally.)

[elehhhhna]

15. to me, yes.

[cali]

29. Quite often, yes.

Or so a good number of neuro-scientists say. My son is a very responsible 21 year old, and yes, in some ways he's still a kid. If he had a boss who was 30 years older than he, and who engaged in a sexual liason with him, I would be none too pleased with said person. duh. It's about the power and age imbalance. Oh, and I believe Monica was 21 when Bill had her drop to her knees and blow him in the Oval office. As a feminist I condemned it then and I condemn it now. That said the OP is nonsense.

[Cooley Hurd]

5. He doesn't NEED to go there...

The Clinton-Lewinsky affair is the most publicized adulterous relationship in history. No one's forgotten it (unfortunately).

[bigtree]

6. why do you hate families?

[Bonobo]

7. Bam! Pow! Ungh!

That was a tough body blow there, elehhhhna.

It is true though. Perfectly true.

[DemGa]

10. Obama could have run a slick campaign based on Clinton's "negatives"

Oh wait, yes he did.

Arrogant, charlatan. Think about it.

[elehhhhna]

16. cite examples, please. thanks for nothing, in advance.

lol

[theredpen]

36. I have an example.

Oh wait, no. You want company while you wait for those examples?

[elehhhhna]

17. cite examples, please. thanks for nothing, in advance.

lol

[cooolandrew]

19. It is a valid point he has kept the high ground and that will stand clear in the end.

[RememberWellstone]

23. Sex now?

You want to dredge up sexcapades from the past? How faithful has Obama been over his marriage? Do we know anything about his sex life? If you are going to comapre, let the savior come forward and announce his total faithfulness to Michelle. How bout that for fairness? You wanna throw rocks, lets hear how much Urkle has been faithful to his wife.:mad:

[NYDem Observer]

24. I'm pretty sure the Clintons don't wanna go there

There has not been one piece of evidence that Barack has ben unfaithful to his wife but somehow you seem so sure on the subject.

[jgraz]

26. Thanks, again, for bringing Stormfront nicknames to DU

First "Barry", now "Urkel" (at least spell it right, for fuck's sake). Why don't you just come out and call him "boy". You know you want to.

[The Night Owl]

31. Infidelity is not necessarily a good reason to break up a marriage. Insane rants by...

Infidelity is not necessarily a good reason to break up a marriage. Insane rants by the senior pastor of a church are a good reason to leave that church.

Nice try.

[Tarheel_Dem]

39. but she said you CAN'T pick your family....I think the o.p. is saying

that's not necessarily true. If you'll recall, there were quite a few women's groups who thought Hillary should leave Bill, once we found out he LIED about it. So, in this case, Bill's not related to her by blood, and she could have left anytime, but that wouldn't have been politically expedient.

[The Night Owl]

40. When Hillary Clinton said that one can't pick one's family, she was referring to Barack Obama...

When Hillary Clinton said that one can't pick one's family, she was referring to Barack Obama comparing Pastor Wright to his grandmother.

[David__77]

32. It's the abuse of power that was the problem.

The actual physical relation wasn't the problem. It was the power relation inherent as a result of their social positions. It was an abuse of power over a subordinate.

[PBS Poll-435]

35. For Better or Worse. Think About It.

[Doctor_J]

37. Congrats - you've made the "Obama supporters I ignore" list

It's short, but illustrious, consisting mostly of people who insist on bringing up Monica

[noel711]

38. It's called 'taking the high road..'

something we've forgotten in campaigning.