Rev Wright bashes Italians and Obama defends it

[Seeker30]

Obama brought this crap into this campaign, not Clinton, not the media and not republicans, this is on OBAMA.

And as an Italian I can say right now there is no fucking way I will ever support Obama, ever, for him to 'they only found five or six offensive statements' just goes to show Obama thinks this hate talk is ok.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23835328/

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Wright's latest controversy comes from a eulogy he wrote for Asa Hilliard. The article appeared in a November/December 2007 edition of Trumpet, a magazine run by Wright's daughters. He was quoted as calling Italians "garlic noses" and saying Jesus' crucifixion was "a public lynching Italian-style."

<snip>

But on Wednesday, Obama, speaking to a crowd of supporters, appeared to defend Wright.

"This was somebody who was preaching three sermons a week for 30 years and so it got boiled down -- they found five or six of his most offense statements," Obama said.

[NanceGreggs]

1. Well, I would strongly suggest ...

... that you don't vote for Reverend Wright for president.

[cliffordu]

5. Yep, Me too.

Obama is not Wright's father, and doesn't have to answer for him. Grow up.

[Mezzo]

66. wonder if that's how you felt about Ferraro. nt

[JoFerret]

69. Ferraro has not

made defamatory or derogatory statements or uses ethnic or racist slurs.

Wright is not running for president. Nor is Ferraro. I don't understand why on earth Wright used such language and I certainly would not like to be associated with anyone who did (unless they were taken wildly out of context) - even five or six times in a sermon or publication. Completely unacceptable to me. But I am not running for president either.

[BurtWorm]

13. .

:spray:


:applause:

[SeattleGirl]

18. LOL!

Good one, Maddy!

[NanceGreggs]

23. I'm not Maddy ...

... but I'll take your "good one" anyway.

[SeattleGirl]

39. ......

:blush:

[NanceGreggs]

42. We've all done it!

No reason for the :blush:!

:hi:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

2. ANOTHER group who won't vote for Obama....

add that to a large number of the following:

Hillary supporters, Jews, a majority of middle-aged/elder women, hispanics, gays, Floridians, Michiganders.


Large groups who will vote for him:

Extreme liberals, blacks, college kids.

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[kerry-is-my-prez]

7. I said a LARGE group of people - not ALL....

n/t

[ossman]

So. You are still wrong.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

17. That's your opinion.... Obama will have some huge hills to climb up.

n/t

[ossman]

22. He has registered way more new voters in every state than those crybabies like the OP.

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[cliffordu]

35. Cause it pisses you off

[Seeker30]

36. Don't flatter yourself

I laugh at people such as yourself

[ossman]

45. I dont support Rev Wright. I support Obama. Get a life.

[emilyg]

28. I fall into one of those groups and

will not vote for him.

[cali]

64. Then you're a shitty democrat

and a worse citizen. You don't give a shit about choice or civil rights or the environment.

[JoFerret]

74. But foully attacking a fellow democrat

is being a good democrat?

[cali]

77. Not voting for the dem candidate is inexcusable

I don't give a flying fuck if you're an Obama supporter or a Clinton supporter. I may be a bitch but I'm cognizant enough to recognize that this year of all years, there in no excuse to not vote for the dem nominee. None.

[CTyankee]

79. Thanks, Cali. Sometimes I wonder whatever happened to party loyalty.

Our party is so far superior to the Republicans (even with all of our flaws), it is simply crazy to be so shortsighted.

I am hoping that once we have a candidate and the GE campaign is on many Dems will "come home." The lines between McCain and the Dem will be so strong that I think the majority of Dems will reject the "3rd Bush term" of John McCain. The campaign will intensify those lines of difference.

At least, that is my fondest hope at this point...

[emilyg]

87. Save your outrage. I've voted

D more years than you've been alive. How I vote this time is none of your concern.

[Pringles]

29. On behalf of all mentally handicapped people

shame on you.

Obama supporters hate the mentally handicapped. Gosh. What's the "ism" for that?

[JoFerret]

70. Typical person from MI

.

[cliffordu]

15. You forgot another group that will vote for him:

The extremely pro-constitutional, heavily armed, socially liberal, energy conservative, mentally ill combat veterans for peace.....My homies.

:hi:

:patriot:

[NanceGreggs]

20. Middle-aged Jewish woman here ...

... and Obama supporter from start to finish.

But please feel free to continue stereotyping everyone, no less speaking for them.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

26. I don't think the Ancient Romans would have voted for Obama anyway.

You have to be a citizen to vote.

[Zynx]

40. Ancient Romans are barely related to modern Italians, actually.

Ostrogoths, Lombards, Normans, and all manner of other people came into Italy to make it what it is today after Rome.

[TML]

47. Thanks for the stereotype

I'm voting for Obama. Deal with it.

[cali]

63. I'm so sick; of stupid

First of all, almost as many Jews support Obama as support Hillary. Secondly, YOU (nor anyone else) can't make these predictions. We just don't know how it'll sugar off in November, but in many states in the primary, those groups HAVE voted for Obama.

[Maddy McCall]

3. So which is it?

Is he going to defend the good Rev?

If so, why did he say on The View that he would have left the church had the good Rev not retired?

Consistency is not Obama's middle name.

[goletian]

32. um... he said he would be uncomfortable staying with the church...

hes said, at least twice, that had he been present during the comments played in the media, he wouldve expressed his opposition to the remarks to wright, directly. how about your gal, hillary though? she can make racist remarks about indians, reducing gandhi to a caricature like apu from the simpsons, but how often is that clip played on tv?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDHbHcOV1N4

that aint her pastor talkin. naw mean?

[americanstranger]

84. His initial public comments on the matter

were framed around the circumstance of Wright leaving the church, IIRC. Close as I can remember it now, he said he wouldn't leave the church in light of the fact that Wright had retired.

I'll try to find the direct quote - but if that was the gist of his first comments on the matter, then he would have been consistent from the get-go, no?

- as

[HCE SuiGeneris]

6. Seeker30 bashes Obama but can't defend it

with any kind of legitimate argument.

ZZZZzzzzzz :boring:

[Maddy McCall]

9. Do you ever post anything besides attacks on Clinton supporters?

It only demonstrates your stupidity...certainly not that of the OP.

Get a new gig, dude.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

24. Yes I do.

So I suppose the stupidity emanates from your end for overlooking that fact. Perhaps you're not that good at impersonating a blog policeman/woman. Better luck in your next venture.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

55. "Did Obama do drugs with Rev. Wright?"

This is who you choose to defend Maddy?

"Obama has known Wright for about 20 years and this was about the same period that Obama claims he was snorting lines of coke. The strange thing is there is not one person who ever claims to have done drugs with the young Obama, and cocaine being the social drug that it is one has to wonder exactly who Obama was tooting lines with.

I can only surmise it was Reverend Wright, and it completely explains why Obama got him out of the country so quick when Wrightgate broke and also why he would throw his granny under the bus and not Wright, obviously the great Reverend has a secret."

From your buddy who wrote the featured OP... Seeker30

There is plenty more like this. Why do you defend trash like this?

[ossman]

56. wow. He's more of an ass than I thought.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

57. Comes from the

DeVry On-line School of Trollery. Has a BS degree. Can't wait for the thesis when he gets to graduate school.

[cali]

65. Most Hillary supporters here, like you, are decent people

and admirable supporters of their candidate. The OP is nothing but a shit stirrer.

[Danger Mouse]

68. You're defending someone not worth defending. The OP is pure troll.

[MidwestTransplant]

8. Some suggestions

1. Don't write in Wright on the ballot
2. Vote for McCain who sucked up go Hagee who thinks the Catholic Church is the Apostate Church.
3. Romans weren't Italians in the traditional sense.
4. Wright says stupid things...get over it. He is not Obama.

[ossman]

12. Its getting kinda desperate for Hillbots. No money, less votes, less delegates, waah!

[goletian]

10. I'll make sure and tell the crew that you're not coming to rally for Obama tonight...

sorry to lose you, bro.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. That wright guy is an extreme pain in the ass. Obama showed

an acute lack of attention at least if he claims that Wright is somehow a victim of a "boiled down" smear campaign.

[Bigleaf]

14. Oh cry me a fucking river.

[Swamp Rat]

16. Why don't you just nail Rev. Wright to a cross and be done with it.

[eissa]

19. Who says swift boat tactics won't work this year?

It's quite clear that some dems are more than willing to not only go along with the swift boating of our nominee, but take part in it as well. I don't like Rev. Wright. And I won't be voting for him. I'll be voting for the guy who will get us out of Iraq, roll back *'s tax cuts, redeem our reputation internationally, and implement positive CHANGE that will get our country back on the right course.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

21. I hope Wright didn't say anything about the Olmec!

Then I won't be able to vote for Obama either.

[cliffordu]

31. Why do I think I need to know what an Olmec is???

:hi:

[JimGinPA]

25. What Was Your Intention For This OP?

To enhance your candidate's favorability by pointing out their qualifications?

See, that's the thing, the only possible road map your candidate has to the nomination is at the expense of the democrat with the most votes, that has won the most states and has earned the most delegates in this primary season. Your attempt to denigrate him rather than support your candidate with their postive attributes makes you appear petty and trite.

[Catherina]

27. Has the OP ever posted anything positive about Clinton?

Anything to support Hillary's run? Every post I've seen by this OP is race-baiting shit. Something to think about.

[Seeker30]

33. Are you this stupid?

Using the term 'garlic noses' is as insulting as saying something derogative about black noses. If someone close to Hillary made comments about black peoples noses you people would be up in arms and I would be right there with you.

Obama refuses to denounce him and instead makes him a victim. I thought only neocons defended racists, Obama followers have proved that is not the case.

[JimGinPA]

37. Stupid Is Trying To Answer A Question With A Question

[cliffordu]

30. My brother had a long term relationship with a nice Italian girl when I was

in college and I never heard the term "Garlic Nose." I heard her and her brothers call each other every name in the book, but never that.......Is that a real insult?

And, but the way, Crucifixion WAS the execution method du jour in them days, both state sanctioned execution, and extracurricular, horrific murders (lynchings).

IIRC, the murder of Jesus was little more than a lynching.

So I don't know what the deal here is. If I am being stupid enlighten me.

Your favorite Paddy,



:hi:

[lligrd]

38. Actually, He Bashed The Romans for crucifying Jesus

But if you want to defend them, go right ahead.

[quakerboy]

41. Troll Bashes Obama and ? defends it...

[anonymous171]

43. You're a Clinton cultist.

Your other posts indicate that you would have Clinton run as a third party in the GE rather than lose the nom. to Obama.

[Catherina]

48. I don't think Seeker is any sort of a Clinton supporter n/t

[Seeker30]

49. Funny, you've been here 3 weeks

and you think you know who supports who.

:rofl:

[ossman]

50. You must have been a strong BO supporter if garlic nose from another dude got your panties bunched.

[Seeker30]

53. Is it normal for you to ask guys on the internet about panties?

What kind of sick shit are you into?

[ossman]

54. I'm not a homophobe like you obviously are.

[Seeker30]

61. At least you admit it, but this is DU, not HeLooksGoodinPanties.com

[Catherina]

51. I've been reading this site longer than that

it was the brazen audacity of racist trolls pretending to support HRC that made me jump in.

[Unsane]

44. I don't see where he defends these comments.

You're a liar.

[krispos42]

46. I bet this will hurt Obama just as much...

as "The Sopranos" hurt HBO.

Although, crucifixion really was a public hanging, Roman style. I don't think that people on the Italian penisula became known as "Italians" until long after the Romans Empire was done.


I don't know what to make of the "garlic noses" thing. There is no context in the article, and given the MSM's tendency to be really, really selective about how they quote him, I'd really appreciate some. But it sounds super-corny.


Do you really think that Obama sits around all day trading Italian jokes on the internet?

[DerekJ]

52. defending?!!!

""This was somebody who was preaching three sermons a week for 30 years and so it got boiled down -- they found five or six of his most offense statements," Obama said.

How is that defending?!!

Am I missing something?

He called those comments offensive, didn't he?!

You won’t vote for him anyways. So stop the B.S.

[Life Long Dem]

58. Obama isn't full of hate like some people.

[kwenu]

59. Your faux anger at Obama over what Wright said/says is absurd.

Everyone knows that the "Obama is a racist because Wright is a racist therefore I am outraged" tactic has worn so old that it is now laughable. Anyone who buys that kind of illogical thinking was never going to vote for Obama anyway. The polls pretty much confirm this. So please spare us your "outrage" over Wrights alleged comments about Italians (actually the comments were related to the ancient Romans and the crucifixion of Jesus).

I can only wonder whether you were "outraged" by Wright's other comments or merely the ones about Romans. If you have such a problem with Wright's "racism" why are you just now posting about your outrage? Apparently the other statements didn't bother you too much.

Absurd. Absolutely Absurd.

[ClayZ]

60. Put on your compassion hat!

Think about Pastor Wright and give him a break!

Go to the church YouTube channel and see if you can't change your mind. I love changing my mind.

I bet you can find something you like about this church!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO

[bowens43]

62. no, this is clintons crap

this the kind of person she is. she couldn't win on the issues now she and her supporters launch mindless , irrelevent attacks.

it's pathetic, there is no difference between a hillary supporter and a bush supporter , there is no difference , ethically or morally, between clinton and bush.

[Mezzo]

67. TWENTY YEARS of saturation. nt

[mikekohr]

71. I'm 50% Italian and 100% For Obama

My 77 year old mom is 100% Italian and 100% for Obama. Everyone else in my family is for Obama as well, except for my asshole brother-law who is a Republican douche bag for McCain.

mike kohr

Obama -believe-

[Perry Logan]

72. Obama sat through the guy's sermons for 20 years and didn't notice the bigotry. What a funny story.

[JoFerret]

75. I do find that odd and disturbing

Wright is clearly a interesting mix. But in that mix are some rather crude and ludicrous elements.
To have such a person as a close mentor seems significant to me. My guess is that Obama turned a blind eye to those elements.
All a bit disappointing and does give pause for thought.

[Apollo11]

81. What? You mean the Rev Wright don't like white folks?

Who knew?? :eyes:

[Danger Mouse]

73. You lack reading comprehension....among other things.

He was talking about the Ancient Romans.
But don't let that stop you from spewing more hate.

[Barack_America]

83. The OP lacks basic logic skills as well...

What evidence is there that Obama had also heard those remarks and was dismissing them, as the OP claims.

[morefoolyou]

76. Were you looking for something to get butthurt about?

My uncle is Italian, and I don't hold Obama guilty by association.

Wait, did that sound dumb?

[Warren Stupidity]

78. You should actually read the eulogy.

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5282479&mesg_id=5282479

Yes he uses those exact phrases. As you may already know by now, Rev Wright uses provocative language to make his points. Perhaps if you take the time to read this wonderful Eulogy, this Eulogy about how we are all children of god, this eulogy about how we are divided against each other, you might learn something. Or not.

[Apollo11]

80. It is totally unfair to take these racially prejudiced remarks out of context.

This seems to be the legal defense of Rev Wright being made by his public defender, Sen Obama.

[MethuenProgressive]

82. That's what Obama does.

He has mad skills at the Do As I Say, Not As I do game.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

85. Italian citizen here

100% of HRC, though I don't count since I can't vote in US elections, but I surely will support whoever is the nominee. Sure, Rev. Wright is not on the ballot and sure, Sen. Obama should not be judged by the company he keeps... or should he? But the term "garlic noses" is, in my view, slightly derogatory and calling crucifixion an "Italian style" lynching is a bit historically inaccurate, as Italy was not a unified country until the 1860s.

Perhaps, Rev. Wright has watched one too many mobster movies... I admit that many Americans are very ignorant about modern Italy and/or have a very distorted view of Italy and Italians (I include many Italian-Americans among them). Personally, I abhor the way that garlic is everywhere in Italian-American cuisine, whereas in Italian cuisine it is used sparingly, if at all (especially in northern Italy, where I'm originally from). And if you'd see me or half of my family or even most of my relatives and friends, you'd swear I were Irish or German. I am very pale skinned with blonde hair. There are blonde/blues, redheads, freckled, pale, tanned and all shades in between, none of whom fit the stereotypical Italian image of dark and hairy.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

86. Hey

Ho cugini italiani che sono felicissimo che votato per Obama.

And Obama's not exactly defending him in that quote.

[ajamo]

88. I'm American/Italian

Haven't you ever heard an Italian condemn blacks?
Did you tell Bush that the mafia could have done the job Bush wanted done and that was to do away with The leader of Iraq. Few bucks it would have been done. Not the lives and cost of it today.
I have to tell you a thing of the past.
Blacks were told to get to the rear of the bus, so the saying goes.
Hell man, us Italians were told to get off.
Obama is supported by this Italian and if you don't like it put our country in more suffering, don't go back to Italy it's to expensive there. More so now that our money isn't worth crap in the world.

[undeterred]

89. Psssstt!

Do you have a relative who can get rid of the Bush admin for us? :evilgrin:

[FunkyLeprechaun]

90. Hmm....

My italian was basically my cousins know that I support Obama and are happy that I am supporting him. I think you meant to reply to the OP?

[Emillereid]

91. Italy (aka Rome) 2000 years ago - get over it.

[Orsino]

92. So which is it?

Did he rank these among Wright most offense statements, or did he "defend" them?

[Yes We Did]

93. What part of REJECT and DENOUNCE don't you GET

[Yes We Did]

94. That's what I want to scream to the media. He rejected it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

95. yeah he is tells folks that me and my children are Jesus killers