Next time you see a racist post here, remember this:The AA vote is at risk

[Catherina]

Quick preface. This isn't a threat. Most AAs who post here would never dream of voting for McCain, a Third Party candidate maybe but not McCain, but there are many reasons you shouldn't bank on that with the entire AA vote. Next time you see a racist thread here or a racist post, please think twice before pretending you didn't see it. I'm very certain Obama will be the nominee because all the racism that came forth and is being tolerated indicates that but on the off-chance I'm wrong and Hillary manages a miracle, do you really want to risk the AA vote for the Democratic Party by letting that shit stand anywhere on the internet?

I'm sure Hillary has a percentage of racist supporters who'll never back Obama. Their loss and shouldn't be the party's loss. Most of them are flip-flopping McCain Democrats anyway and have no business defining the party. But most of Hillary's supporters aren't racist and most of the people parading as HRC supporters posting racist shit are TROLLS.

Here is what the Party is up against with the AA vote. Please read the second article very attentively and then decide if it's a good tactic to tolerate how these trolls are laying the GOP groundwork to paint the Democratic Party, and especially the HRC campaign, as either racist or tolerant of racism.

McCain is the reasonable one. "Not like Bush" they're gonna say. Not a racist either because he adopted an Asian daughter. When they go after the Black vote, they're going to go after it hard. I'm not suggesting anyone switch from Hillary to Obama because of this, I'm asking you, for the good of the Democratic Party, to stop tolerating racists because you think they're on your side. They're not. They're here laying the groundwork for Mehlman's strategy in article 2 so the media can yap about the Democratic Party's race problems from here to election day.

Just some strategic advice for anyone who wants to see this party win.

Condition Critical »Democrats Could Lose African American Vote by Brandon Whitney


Democrats are as close to losing the African American vote as they have ever been. Let’s be completely honest, the Democratic Party takes African Americans for granted. They have been so focused on trying to win independents that they have all but ignored their most loyal constituency. This has been made very apparent in the primary. Obama did not have a lock on the African American vote until South Carolina. The reason for his dominance with this constituency is not because he is African American, it is because the Clintons were so confident of African American turnout in November that they thought nothing of alienating Blacks. This is just an expression of elite Democrats failure to really make an effort to earn Black loyalty.

McCain is not a scary Republican. He is not George W. Bush or Pat Buchannan. McCain is an old school Republican who doesn’t lean so heavily on the southern strategy that he scares Blacks off. Hillary, and her salt the earth policy, have managed to split the Democratic Party. It is possible for it to be reunited but not by a Clinton. If Clinton manages to win the nomination by hook or crook there are large numbers of African Americans who are willing to cross party lines or sit out this election. Those who sit out have the potential to be reenergized but those who cross lines to vote for McCain have the potential to stay there. Part of what McCain represents is a shift of the Republican Party away from the far right. 2008 could be the opportunity that some have been waiting for to break up the Democratic monopoly of the African American vote.

Luckily for the Democratic Party, Republican attempts to woo African American voters have been rare and incompetently executed. Leaning on the incompetence ones opponent is a terrible way to fight a political battle. Hopefully the party elite of the party will wake up and avoid losing one of its most valuable and important constituencies.

http://bmia.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/democrats-could-lose-african-american-vote/

GOP Plans More Outreach to Blacks, Mehlman Says
Goal Is to Broaden Party Base, Help Swing Future Races

By Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 7, 2005; A05

ATLANTA -- Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman stood before a roomful of black journalists last week fielding pointed questions about his party's mostly shaky relationship with black voters. Asked about the southern strategy that used race as an issue to build GOP dominance in the once Democratic South, Mehlman acknowledged that Republican candidates often have prospered by ignoring black voters and even by exploiting racial tensions. But he pledged that such neglect is a thing of the past. "Our plan for 2006 and 2008 is to increase African American turnout," he said crisply.

...

The goal is to broaden the base of the Republican Party and forge a new GOP majority that can win elections well into the future. Even a relatively small shift in black voting patterns could boost Republicans and cripple Democrats for years, strategists on both sides say.

...

"For black voters it is about deliverables," said Donna Brazile, a Democratic strategist. "They want results, and if Ken and the GOP can deliver jobs, economic development and access to a good education and health care, he will bring home more black voters."

...

Ed Gillespie, Mehlman's predecessor as RNC chairman, said the GOP is beginning to earn the faith of black voters by increasing funding for historically black colleges and backing proposals for private school vouchers. Also aiding the GOP cause is the prominence of high-ranking black officials, such as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Claude A. Allen, Bush's top domestic policy adviser.

...

Bush's share of the black vote went from 8 percent to 11 percent between 2000 and 2004, according to exit polls. Despite the small increase, Bush doubled his share of the black vote in Ohio and Florida.

"There are some obvious signs that we are on the verge of a breakthrough when you look at what we have to do to be successful," said Michael Williams, a black Republican elected to the Texas Railroad Commission, a statewide energy board. "If we can just move to 20 or 25 percent of the African American vote, that is a cataclysmic change in vote count."

...

Republicans, not Democrats, are the party of Abraham Lincoln, he reminds audiences. It was Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican, who invited black leader Booker T. Washington to the White House, enflaming racial passions coast to coast. Dwight D. Eisenhower, another Republican, sent federal troops into Little Rock to enforce school integration.

Often, Mehlman speaks in deeply personal terms. He told the black journalists that he views open housing, voting rights and civil rights bills passed in the 1960s as the most important laws of the 20th century. He also invoked his late grandfather, a Baltimore shopkeeper, who was a member of the NAACP.

He then went into his pitch, asking black voters to give the GOP another look: "The Republican Party will not be whole again until more African Americans come back home."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/06/AR2005080601165_pf.html

[question everything]

1. By your logic, we have to vote for Obama - the candidate who supposedly transcends

race - so that we do not lose the votes of African Americans. (At least, I think this is what your AA means, not Alcoholic Anonymous..)

Great. Start with blackmailing right now.

By the same logic, if Clinton is not the nominee, we lose the votes of seniors and of women and, of course, of core Democrats who have been the ones voting for her. Obama's have been Independent and Republicans.

Great. What a party. If this is the logic, we deserve to disappear and reborn in a different party that is not beholden to all kind of special groups.

[Fredda Weinberg]

2. Ah yes, special interest groups ... the bane of our existence. Being

part of one is inevitable ... rising above parochial interest is the challenge.

[Catherina]

3. No. It's not a pro-Obama or anti-Clinton post. I tried to make that clear

I'm just telling you what the GOP is up to and how they're going to go after the Black vote. The only think I asked was that people not tolerate any racist posts that support that gameplan.

I'm sorry if I didn't make that point clearly. I think people can still support their candidate of choice without supporting racism against anyone.

[papau]

42. Seniors and of women are not allowed to react as strongly as the AA vote?

[anamandujano]

4. Obama has been instigating this nightmare. He has been very short sighted.

I have read more racist crap from Obama supporters pretending to translate Hillary supporters words.

[cliffordu]

9. Bullshit.

Plain and simple:


First you said that Obama has been instigating this nightmare, and that he has been very short sighted.

Then you blame his supporters on this board.

Make up your little mind, please. If you're going to pull this

crap

:hurts:



At least blame someone consistently.

[Catherina]

13. Can you take your sour grapes to another thread?

This thread isn't about Obama or Clinton. It's about the GOP's strategy to get enough of the Black vote that neither Clinton or Obama will matter.

Talk about being short-sighted and a perfect example of what this thread is warning about. Do something productive anamandujano, go to this thread and see if you can spot any racism from people pretending to be HRC supporters. After you've spotted it, see if you can do anything about it. If speaking out against it is too much to ask of you, at least pretend for just one minute that you're Black and that HRC supporter is telling you there were no lynchings in this country after 1900 and that if there were, they were properly punished by the law. You won't see that post because the mods deleted it but the responses to that breath-taking display are still there. Now, while still pretending you're Black, ask yourself what you'd think of HRC supporters who neither see nor denounce the kind of racism displayed throughout that thread.

Then sit down. Reread my OP, think long and hard about the GOPs gameplan for this election and keep your sour grapes out of my damn thread. This isn't about Obama or Clinton. It's about the GOP winning by peeling off the AA vote with the help of racist trolls. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE TROLLS WHEN YOU SEE THEM? OR ARE YOU SO DESPERATE FOR ONE POSSIBLE VOTE THAT YOU'D RATHER PRETEND YOU DON'T SEE THEM?

[DerekJ]

38. OMG, that thread was disgusting.

[goclark]

5. Thank you poster for your brave stance

I am African American and the entire campaign has left many in our community more hurt than angry.

The Clintons were like family to us.

Can you imagine what it must feel like for this race baiting to come at us from the two politicians that we have given our vote to for all these years.

I can't imagine us going to the Republican party because that is the party that Hillary and Bill have fallen in love with AND Republicans represent the enemy to us.

Surprise! Hillary now wears the enemy crown to us and I can't even imagine what we as a community will do if Obama is not treated with fairness and respect.

I can only speak for myself ~ the Democratic party will not get my time, my dime and maybe not my vote.

[Catherina]

11. I think anyone here can vouch I'm no Clinton fan

but what bugs me about this is why the media is hyping it up the way they are. Geraldine Ferraro's comment was offensive but it wasn't the-end-of-the-world-bad the way they made it out to be. And I'm really disgusted at how poorly the Clintons handled the race issues after introducing them against a candidate who wasn't running on his race but the media has been hyping it up to make the situation 100 times worse than it should be.

GOP racists like Hannity focusing so much on the Clintons mis-steps while at the same time supporting Clinton just doesn't compute. Then they turn around and paint Obama as a radical with anti-semitic and racist tolerance while knocking down Clinton.

Something bad is up. The trolls posting racist things on democratic sites to anger people like you and me are giving that game away.
When I read your post, much as I love you brother, it makes me sad because Hillary may not deserve that enemy crown. She's my enemy on the war issue but now they've made her our enemy on the race issue too. My thoughts are too jumbled up right now after being in two race threads here (one of them was really, really ugly) so I'm not sure what I really think on that but I'm sure of one thing. The GOP has an ugly gameplan to get the Black vote and they're playing it to the hilt.

I didn't mean this to be a Hillary-bashing thread. I think the Clintons mis-steps, out of desperation to win, are playing into Mehlman's hands but I'm not so sure they were as end-of-the-world-bad like the media made them out to be. I think one of the reasons we have such a hard time forgiving the Clintons is because trolls are writing racists things while pretending to be Clinton supporters to make sure we keep associating the HRC campaign with racists and racism. The main point of my thread was to expose the GOP's 2008 gameplan.

I really need to sit down and think about this more, how much who's being played and how. :hug:

[goclark]

46. Thanks for your response

First off ~ I'm a Sister not a Brother. :)

I wish that I could believe that the Clinton's have not played the race card, I sincerely wish I could do it.

Bill Clinton --- SC ~ Jesse Jackson statement was the start of it as I can recall.

Bill and Hillary were, I'm sure, surprised and disappointed that the African American vote, that they have always taken for granted, was slowly slipping through their fingers.

So, instead of trying to do the right thing and not slime Obama, she started in on Obama, not just in regular campaign rhetoric, but "McCain has experience,I have experience etc."

It may seem ordinary to some but it was sending clear signals to our community. We were shocked that she would repeatedly praise McCain instead of a Democrat - of any color.

Pretty soon, the put downs were more pointed and by that time,not just Black Americans but millions of Americans of all hues had come to adore and respect Sen. Obama.

Not just because he was Black but because he wanted to take the high road and here she was taking what seemed to many to be taking the low road.

If she had pulled back on that,African Americans would have been torn because we loved the Clinton's. But, when her arrows and Bill's kept coming, we did what came naturally ---- we said, " Wait one damn minute, you will not put down this good and decent man! "
"We will not allow you to do that and we will stand up for him!"

I believe that most African Americans would have been disappointed as well if she had done that the John Edwards. We started seeing the new face of Clinton and it was not pleasant. And we as a community did start to stick up for him, Yes.We.Did.

She is smart enough to understand African American's emotions because she has grinned and hugged us enough. As I may have stated, she has hugged our babies in our churches. Our churches were good enough for her all these years and now, she puts down a minister that was there for her when her Family Member had been accused of misdeeds.

Yes.You.Can. get rid of your family member --- it's called a divorce.

She had that option and she didn't take it. Not a problem for me, just odd that she was so firm in saying -- " You can leave your church but you can't leave your family."

Women/men divorce every day. :crazy:

Bottom line,her greed overruled her reason and she started looking for votes in other places. She did the math and figured she had to make up for the African American vote in some way so SHE just kept punching Obama and her numbers in the "Senior White Women and Senior White Men" started to rise.

Surprise, surprise ~

[FrenchieCat]

6. I think many don't believe until they see it.....

and I'll just say that my 5,000+ church congregation full of Black folks ain't too happy at the moment.....nor any of the others that I visit.

27% of California Blacks voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger in California in 2006. I should know, our Pastor endorsed him (and this is Barbara Lee's pastor and mentor) and prayed the Benediction at Schwarzenegger's 2nd inaugural.

Here's how Schwarzenegger got that larger than normal percentage....my pastor is mentioned in the last paragraph.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/12/MNGC3LNUPR1.DTL

[Catherina]

35. No one I know is ok with it. Angry is more like it.

The party has taken the AA vote for granted for so long that it's going to be easy for the GOP to play their game. Thanks for sharing that article. Schwarzenegger was a trial run.

[FrenchieCat]

47. And McCain fits the Schwarzengger mold much more than other Repug candidate

that was running.

[cliffordu]

7. I just LOVE to ridicule the trolls.....

The racist ones in particular. I like to insult their intelligence.

It gives me something to do until President Obama helps us make this country right with the world again.

Gobama.

[Swamp Rat]

8. Or cut to the chase and tell 'em, "Fuck off you fucking racist!"

THEN hit alert. :D

[HCE SuiGeneris]

12. You got it.

There is far more racism here than I could have imagined. My despise-o-meter has been getting tilty lately.

[Swamp Rat]

17. The time is near when the race-baiters will be gettin' their cookies.

Bank on it.

[cliffordu]

10. K&R

[kerry-is-my-prez]

14. AND next time you see a sexist post here:The women's vote is at risk

guess what? we're screwed.....

[Maddy McCall]

15. Yep.

[Catherina]

16. Please start another thread about it. This isn't a piss fight.

Let me reemphasize. The GOP's gameplan in 2008 is to peel away the AA vote. We can flail around and bitch about the women's vote all day long but that's not what they're focusing on or we can chase out racist trolls and throw a monkeywrench in their plan so the party won't be screwed.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

19. My point: why do so many here think it's ok to make sexist comments - they outnumber racist comments

by far....

[Catherina]

21. I understand your point but it's not the point of this thread

and I'd really like to keep it on target. It's about the GOP's strategy that's getting a lot of help in the mistaken idea that racist trolls posing as HRC supporters are really on Hillary's side. They're playing a bigger game than our internal one and we're all going to lose, Obama and HRC supporters if they're allowed to get away with it.

[Pringles]

23. Thank you. "I hate women" is still a tolerated statement.

Even celebrated. Just like "I hate children" is tolerated and high-fived.

Lot o' hate to go around. Lot of it.

[woolldog]

18. That's what I've been saying.

If HRC steals the nomination (or is perceived as having stolen it), not only will she not win, but the democratic party as we know it will be finished.

It has the potential of recasting the way AAs view the two parties. It's the view of the Democratic party as more open on issues of race, and more inclusive that is the reason AAs vote 90+% democratic, even across economic and social class lines, imo.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

20. They're trying to peel away every group they can - also women, Jews, Hispanics, gays.

The Dem. Party is damned if they do and damned if they don't. It is at a serious risk....

[Catherina]

22. Yes

:( Every group but I think they've already maxed out on all groups except the AAs. Most Jewish Democrats and most women and gays aren't going to to go the GOP because the GOP has already overfished in those ponds. kerry-is-my-prez, this thread is purely Dem strategic. I see you get it. I'm sorry for snapping at you earlier.

[Catherina]

25. That's a whole other very-related ball of wax :(

My main point was that the trolls are killing her with their racist posts and it's for the GOP's immediate benefit. I hope it's not too late to at least undo the perception that the Clintons are racist and that their support base is too. If Obama doesn't win, there's going to be a lot of anger because of how this game was played but the GOP shouldn't win because of that.

This whole thing is really making my head hurt right now.

[woolldog]

27. Oh I see what you're saying.

I don't know how much effect posters on this forum have on the overall vote. Not much I'd wager.

It's the actions of Clinton and her close surrogates (Ferraro and Bill Clinton) on this issue that have hurt her directly. They're almost as bad as the trolls here, but have a wider audience.

[Catherina]

31. It's more than just DU, it's all over the net

and the Right-Wing media just keeps beating the drums. Maybe I'm being too alarmist but hearing the reaction in the Black community because it's bad, much worse than people here realize, and then seeing Mehlman's strategy, I'm getting physically ill.

I think Ferraro and Clinton mis-stepped and the media blew it all up to make sure everyone looked at the HRC campaign a certain way. I'm mad at both Ferraro and Bill because they were incredibly stupid and offensive but not racist. When Ferraro tried to defend herself, the only thing the media broadcast was "They're picking on me because I'm White". That out-of-context message went out to all America. The same with their excerpts of Rev Wright. All of this is to put Whites on the defensive and piss off Blacks. To whose benefit? Not ours. The trolls job is to fan the flames everywhere and make sure things stay that way. Kerry-is-my-prez may be right. We're screwed. Even though I want Obama to win, I think we can still fix it for Clinton and should, not just for her sake but for the sake of the party.

Edit. When I said "fix it for Clinton", what I mean is that she doesn't deserve to go down in history as Hannity's pawn in the GOP's new race war.

[crankychatter]

24. I knew it, you're a "sexist"

They do it with sneering innuendo eg, "rooty poot, smooth talking, arrogant, light skinned" blah blah... hell they're even preying on the fears and prejudices of older Black Folks...

I've only called them on it when it was blatant... I put up a post listing about thirty strings in previous couple of days that had been stirring the race pot... repeating MSM crap, or wild internet, freeper originating... scandal mongering... and ONE of them? Straight up filth...

What I got was a ROOM FULL of supposed Clinton people insulting me personally... almost no support.
and they K and R'd that filthy string for a day... in reaction

see?

best of luck calling for sanity until we have a nominee.... and the freepers leave and those tiny minority of Clinton supporters that actually ARE racists, go SOMEPLACE different.

Call them like you see them... I'm with ya on this one, but good luck.

[Catherina]

28. :(

I don't think most HRC supporters are like that. So why are a few trolls allowed to justify a stereotype? Damn this election is uglier than I ever thought it could get. I don't mind going head to head with real supporters but the trolls need to go because they're not just hurting HRC, they're hurting the entire party. They won't even be around come election day- they'll be lining up at Fox or Stormfront for their paychecks. I can honestly say that if I were an HRC supporter, I'd be chasing the impersonators out with a blowtorch.

[crankychatter]

30. I tried

until THEY draw the line WE have to

I'm with you... sorry about the negativity here but just look at them...

they could rationalize a felony in an intersection, in a New York minute

I've found two of them posting and supporting blatantly racist material off site... what you see HERE? it's toned down, and creepy.

And don't imagine it's not some actual Democrats doing that stuff... some have been here for a long, long time... not making generalizations... but that's the truth.

This will pass... I'm sure, then it will be some new round of spin from the netherrealm

[kerry-is-my-prez]

34. I think there's been a bunch of people pretending to be Obama supporters here too.

also getting paychecks from the RNC.

[crankychatter]

36. that's possible.... i've been watching

some nasty juvenile stuff... hey, I can throw a punch... I LIKE it to be humorous at least... and not cast aspersions ON ALL the good folks with honest opinions and feelings on either side...

I despise Bill Clinton for good reasons I think... I think even LESS of HRC... for many of the same reasons (issues and character/NOT personality)

But I voted for Clinton twice and defend him and his record all the damn time when arguing with Republicans...

and I'll campaign vigorously for our nominee... but you have to swear you'll never tell anyone

this will all be over soon

Still...

You are right, there are some... you'll notice them when
they pretend to be pro-Obama but top post things to stir the Race or Gender shit pot

[flyarm]

26. gee my vote is at risk as well..i live in Fla and Obama won't count my vote! eom

[crankychatter]

32. Not On Ballot/No Campaigning/All Agreed/Clinton Operatives in State Legislatures Refused Revote

Because Clinton only wants Delegates to be seated based upon skewed results.

You lie like your candidate.

Are you a freeper or sumthin? very twisted logic you have

[kerry-is-my-prez]

33. I don't think they realize the ramifications of that..... huge mistake.

That thing should have been settled a long time ago. We should have done the smae thing the Repubs did. It makes them look like the good guys and the Dems the bad guys down here.

It will especially hurt Obama - since he will be seen as not "fighting for us Floridians." Hillary at least appears to have "fought" to have our votes counted (I know it's probably just politics on her part) but it will cover her if she were to get the nomination. We're still smarting from 2000 and 2004.

[CitizenLeft]

29. if Ken Mehlman reaches out to me...

...I'm going to break his f***ing hand with a 2 x 4.

[Catherina]

44. Rofl n/t

:hi:

[nosmokes]

37. I didn't know the dems were courting the alcoholic vote...n/t

AA= black people? I know some folks that are gonna be pretty surprised tomorrow.

[Laughing Mirror]

39. African American, smartypants

Thanks for keeping this very important thread kicked.

[Awsi Dooger]

40. The African-American vote is not at risk

Here's a paragraph from a new Gallup study: http://www.gallup.com/poll/105742/Democratic-Groups-Most-Risk-Deserting.aspx

"Black Democratic voters, regardless of whom they support, seem prepared to remain quite loyal to the Democratic Party. Fifteen percent of blacks who support Clinton would vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee, and only 10% of blacks who support Obama would vote for McCain if Clinton is the nominee. In other words, there is little apparent risk of losing a substantial proportion of black voters regardless of who the nominee is."

That article points toward our main risk, Democratic-leaning Independents who may favor McCain if Hillary is the nominee. I'm a Hillary supporter but I certainly recognize that danger. On many sports sites I post on there are political forums also. Intensely heated, guys with sports fervor debating politics. Frankly, it makes DU look like a bakeoff more often than not. Anyway, on those forums it's dramatic how many independent or slightly Democratic leaning males insist they will vote for Obama but not for Hillary, against McCain. I have not seen the vaunted Obama pull from Republicans but Hillary seems to forfeit some of the great percentage we enjoyed among Independents in '06.

***

As far as the racist stuff is concerned, I've posted for 6 years on DU, often mentioning my rather bizarre surroundings in Las Vegas, specifically in casino sportsbooks. Previously I worked as sportsbook supervisor at the Horseshoe, which was taking the biggest action in town at the time. Sorry, but occasional racism is alive and well in that white male environment, with transplants from all over the country and high percentage from Dixie. Not constant, but the over/under on hearing a racist remark is never more than 2 or 3 days in the future. Lose a big bet and there's always a black athlete on the TV screen in front of them, someone to ridicule so your failure can be dismissed as their fault. I guess I'm partially numbed to it after 20+ years but my dad was stunned when he visited last spring. And I can't say it doesn't worry me a bit toward November. If the pivotal states were in the Northeast or Pacific Northwest, no problem. But we're fighting for Ohio, Florida and Virginia.

[Catherina]

43. Awsi, c'mon. I just posted an article on what they're planning to do

and you reply with an article about how things are RIGHT NOW. I think that's a little short-sighted.

We have no idea what's going to happen between now and November. Forget about the Primaries for the purposes of this article because that's a different internal fight, my post is about the GE and how they're laying groundwork for it now.

After all the shit going down right now, all Mehlman needs to do is something dramatic like give the GOP the appearance of being pro-reparations, pro-apology for slavery or something and that huge African-American votes shift.

That last article is his gameplan. I wouldn't dismiss it so smugly.

[David Zephyr]

41. Thanks for the articles, Catherina

:thumbsup:

[BenDavid]

45. Who was the only person that could get dem fighting dem? Who

needed to play the race card and blame their opponent? If you answered obama then you have your eyes wide open and your mind is thinking. There was never a reason HRC needed to play the race card in this campaign. Sure, she was going to lose many black voters, and the only way for her to lose that many was for the obama camp and his surrogates and their willing whoremedia to help, and boy, did they ever.

The way to tell was the non response from obama when in january all this was going on. There were numerous attacks on HRC and WJC but the ones that stuck out the most was calling them bigots and racists. Obama did not say a word when these attacks were happening. Knowing damn well that neither Clinton is a bigot or racist.

So, using the words, "fairy tale" and "it took a president to pass the civil rights legislation" as bigotted speak, then Obama's acceptance of wrights name calling and ranting about "white people", and wright anti Jew and anti Israel words then one could go so far as calling obama a bigot and racist too. The difference is obama lied for a year or so in saying that he had never heard wright say anything bigotted or racist when he attended a sermon, but last week obama said,"yes, I have been in services where wright spoke those type words"....

[Whisp]

48. rec'd

[GoldieAZ49]

49. Which states have the largest AA population? When was the last time those states went blue

in the GE?

on edit: here is the quick search results

18 Number of states with an estimated black population on July 1, 2006, of at least 1 million.
New York, with 3.5 million blacks, led the way.

The 17 other states on the list were
Alabama,
California,
Florida,
Georgia,
Illinois,
Louisiana,
Maryland,
Michigan,
Mississippi,
New Jersey,
North Carolina,
Ohio,
Pennsylvania,
South Carolina,
Tennessee,
Texas
Virginia

Source: Population estimates

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/010969.html

[Rosa Luxemburg]

50. I think if Hillary is the nominee then a large % of African Americans will stay at home

On all sides Obama has support Black, White, Latino/a, Native American, Muslims, Jews or whatever. The only group I can see is the old lady group. I am of the old lady group but I support Barack.