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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:21 AM
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Profile of the Superdonors Who Tried To Intimidate Pelosi
Yesterday, Kos and other bloggers reported on a letter that was sent from a group of Clinton backers to Nancy Pelosi "urging" her to reconsider her comments on the role of super delegates in the party. This letter was a thinly veiled threat to cut off their funding to the DCCC should Pelosi continue to go against the Clinton party line on the Super Delegates.

These donors are the richest of the rich. They epitomize the "elites" and the "old guard" of the Democratic party. As we face a struggle for the soul of the party, a struggle over the influence of big money vs. the everyday American, these 20 individuals represent the major backbone of the side we are fighting against.

Their actions yesterday left a lot of us to wonder, "just who the hell are these guys?". This diary is an attempt to shed light on who some of these donors are, and the threat that they pose to the Democratic Party.

Yesterday, a group of 20 people signed a Letter to Nancy Pelosi that suggested that they would withhold funds from the DCCC if Pelosi did not reverse her stance on the role of superdelegates. These 20 individuals are:

Marc Aronchick
Clarence Avant
Susie Tompkins Buell
Sim Farar
Robert L. Johnson
Chris Korge
Marc and Cathy Lasry
Hassan Nemazee
Alan and Susan Patricof
JB Pritzker
Amy Rao
Lynn de Rothschild
Haim Saban
Bernard Schwartz
Stanley S. Shuman
Jay Snyder
Maureen White and Steven Rattner

All of these signers are multi-millionaires, with most worth in the hundreds of millions. A few of these signers are billionaires. Many of these donors have had previous positions in the Clinton Campaign. Mark Lasry is a security trader who put Chelsea Clinton on his payroll. Stanley S. Shulman was on the board of Newscorp for 22 years. Sim Farar was a Representative to the United Nations. But for the purpose of this diary, I am going to highlight in detail the records of 4 of the donors on this list that I think best represent who these donors are, and why they are a threat to the Democratic party.

1. Haim Saban is the richest on the list. He is listed as Forbes 102nd richest American, with a net worth of $3.4 billion. He's made his money primarily through media deals, including the sale of the Fox Family Channel, a joint venture he went into with Rupert Murdoch. Saban has donated predominately to Democrats over his career, including a $10 million donation by his Investment Group to the DNC in 2001-2002, which is the largest ever on record.

Saban has had some shady business dealings in the past. In addition to his close association with Murdoc, he was probed by Congress and the IRS for the tax shelter he set up in relation to the Fox Family sale. He was forced to pay $300 million dollars in back taxes. He blamed the tax error on "bad advice" from accountants. One has to wonder how bad the "advice" must have been to cause him to cheat the IRS by $300 million.

2. Many of you already know Robert Johnson. Worth $1.1 billion, he is most well known as being the founder of the BET network. Most of you probably remember him from his comments back in January, when he raised the issue of Obama's youthful drug use.

"As an African American, I'm frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Bill and Hillary Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood that I won't say what he was doing, but he said it in his book,"

After he made the statement, he had the audacity to try to backtrack and say that the statement referred to Obama's time as a community organizer. This was particularly amusing, considering that while Obama was a community organizer in Chicago, Hillary was sitting on the board of Walmart.

Johnson is also a strong opponent of the Estate tax. He enthusiastically lobbied for its repeal, by taking out full page newspaper adds, and even by implying that the tax is racist.

The last time Congress voted to phase-out the estate tax (aka the Paris Hilton Tax) in 2001, Robert L. Johnson, founder of Black Entertainment Television, enthusiastically called for repeal. He took out full-page ads in national newspapers, granted interviews, even gave speeches claiming that a repeal "will help close the wealth gapbetween African-American families and white families."

But Johnson’s argument is seriously misguided. Roughly 38 million blacks live in the United States. Of those, an estimated 59 — yes, 59 — will pay estate taxes this year, and that number will drop to just 33 in 2009, according to American Progress economist John Irons (using estimates derived from The State Of The Estate Tax As Of 2006). The truth is the wealth gap between whites and blacks will only exacerbate when there are fewer tax credits and services offered to the rest of us who start out with zero inheritance.

3. Bernard L. Schwartz is the Former Chairman and CEO of Loral Space and Communications. During the soft money years, he was the largest donor to the Democratic party from 1992 to 1996. However, his biggest claim to fame was probably in 1996, when Loral Space and Communications passed along missile technology to China. They were investigated for breaking US export laws, and eventually agreed to pay the government a $14 million dollar fine.

U.S. satellite maker Loral Space & Communications Ltd. has agreed to pay a $14 million fine for passing missile technology to China.

The satellite and communications company will pay the fine over seven years to the U.S. State Department, through its Space Systems/Loral Inc. subsidiary.

The subsidiary neither admitted nor denied the charges but has agreed to pay the fine. It contends the information was "mistakenly sent to the Chinese."

The investigation started as a criminal case, after the U.S. government adjudged Space Systems/Loral might have broken export laws when it gave technical help to China, on its rockets.

Loral helped China investigate the February 1996 crash of a Chinese Long March missile that was carrying a Loral satellite.

Schawrtz was also at the center of a justice department investigation revolving around the White House's decision to grant Loral a waiver for a satellite launch in China was related to the million dollars Schwartz donated to Democratic committees since Clinton took office.

The Clinton administration has been good to Bernard Schwartz, and he to it. Schwartz, a lifelong Democrat and longtime political donor, dramatically ratcheted up his giving after President Clinton took office, contributing more than $1 million to Democratic party committees since then.

But as a result of his contributions, Schwartz is at the center of Justice Department and congressional investigations into allegations related to Chinese missile technology.

At issue: Whether Loral and Hughes Electronics Corp. helped improve China's missile guidance systems by analyzing a failed 1996 satellite launch in China; and whether the White House's decision this year to grant Loral a waiver for another satellite launch in China was granted on account of Shwartz's donations.

4. I saved my personal favorite for last: Susie Tompkins Buell. Tompkins Buell ran the fashion house Esprit de Corp with her husband for over two decades from 1968-1990. Originally founding the company on hippie ideals, Tompkins Buell let greed consume her, ultimately leading to the company's downfall.

After divorcing her husband in 1990, Tompkins Buell led a leveraged buyout of the company that both gave her control of the company, and netter her $150 million in profit. However, a combination of the buyout and Tompkins Buell's mismanagement of the companies finances, caused the company to enter into a complete financial collapse:

But Esprit de Corp. also ultimately came to epitomize the worst side of another decade, the me decade, the 1980s and its junk-bond daddies and S&L pirates and slick-suited sharpies. After helping manage the company with her then-husband, Doug Tompkins, for 22 years, Susie Tompkins led a 1990 leveraged buyout that gained her control of the company, and netted her an estimated $150 million.

Esprit emerged from the buyout so deeply in debt -- and Tompkins Buell's subsequent helmsmanship left the company in such desperate financial straits -- that it went into technical default on its outstanding loans within less than two years. Esprit then spent five years shriveling to a morsel of its former self before Tompkins Buell relinquished all ownership of and involvement in the company in December.

After eventually leaving the company after she had destroyed it, you think Tompkins Buell would have taken her $150 million and rode off into the sunset. But instead, she decided to go back for more by suing the company that she had previously destroyed.

This March Tompkins Buell filed a lawsuit demanding nearly $3 million in reimbursements from Esprit for tax payments she made after selling much of her stake in the company to investors in 1990 for about $62 million. The case's merits are questionable, some people familiar with the situation say.

Yes, this woman decided after she destroyed the company, she wanted to stick it to them one more time. As a result, Tompkins Buell and all of her family members were banned from the Esprit de Corp's corporate headquarters.

And there was also this little issue:

Yet Esprit de Corp. is the same company that was found by the National Labor Relations Board to have illegally interrogated and intimidated $2-an-hour Chinese workers, and then to have shut down a factory to keep them from unionizing.

The issue with these donors is not that they are Hillary supporters. When all is said and done, their blackmail aside, Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee for president. Most, if not all of these donors will then support Obama, and continue to donate to Democratic groups. The issue is bigger than just Barack vs. Hillary. It is a struggle for the soul of our party.

The audacity of these donors astounds me. They think that they can intimidate the Democratic party leadership simply because they have larger bank accounts then the average rank and file Democrat. They are a part of the special interests that have controlled Washington for so long. They are the select few that try to keep control of the party to themselves, and away from the average American.

This is the struggle that the netroots was founded on. We were brought together as everyday Americans trying to take our party back from the special interests. We didn't fight back by writing big checks and then disappearing, only to reappear for a luncheon with party leaders or when we needed something. We fought back with $25 and $50 donations. We fought back by becoming precinct captains and canvassing our neighborhoods. We fought back by phonebanking and writing letters to the editor. And we are winning.

10 years ago, maybe their demands would have held some weight. However, things have changed in 10 years. The big money donors no longer have the control that they once had. Their influence is being diminished, and they are desperately trying to hold onto it. But no matter how hard they fight, they can no longer deny a simple truth. This is no longer their party. This is our party, and we own it now.

UPDATE: Thanks for the Recs everybody. I'm glad you think this is as important as I do.

And here's some more scoop on these donors from the comments courtesy of bubblebums:

At least 6 of these donors stayed in the Lincoln bedroom while the Clintons were in the whitehouse.

At least 7 of the donors have donated to Joe Lieberman's senate bid

UPDATE X2: More on Haim Saban from the comments:

Haim Saban is an Israeli citizen, who characterizes himself as "a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel." He has been a major fundraiser for Clinton, and he is the founder of the Saban Center for Mideast Policy at the Brookings Institution, from which Clinton seems to get some of her foreign-policy advisors, e.g., Martin Indyk, the Center's director, and Michael O'Hanlon, an affiliate of the Center. The Center's Research Director is Kenneth Pollack, who with O'Hanlon pushed for the Iraq war and has been cheering the surge.

More recently, Saban was one of a small group that bought up Unavision, the major Hispanic TV network in the U.S.

(many sublinks within)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/27/912/91904/66/485037
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:25 AM
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1. How dare those rich folks have an opinion and call Pelosi on her bias. nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:28 AM
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5. and again you maintain your streak of missing the point of the piece
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:42 AM
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39. Ignored is known for doing that
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:57 AM
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12. Obamacat wants to tell you something.


Those big money donors don't call the shots.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:24 PM
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26. Hey, my cat, Dexter, looks just like ObamaCat, and he's
very pro-Obama, just like his humans!

:)
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:40 AM
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45. That Looks Like My LuLu
She's every bit as sassy as the Obamacat ;-) .

I personally believe that big money donors have done nothing but hurt America and am all for public financing of campaigns.
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:56 AM
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60. BWHAAAAAAHAAAAAA. . .
. . .Bigleaf, what a guffaw your Obamacat just gave me. . .adding a few years to my life for sure!

Your photo shop creation? YOU ARE QUITE THE TALENTED ONE. Thankyathankyathankya!

And as for you, George Oilwellian, your excellent OP is what makes me read DU daily.

Shine the light on these wheeler-dealers behind closed doors. . .put a face on the power-brokers. . .in our wondrous age of "Internets" the ole time politicking is doomed!

Thanks both of ya. . .GOBAMA ALL THE WAY!

:yourock: :headbang: :yourock: :headbang: :yourock:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:59 AM
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16. this is extortion but then you don't care do you. it doesn't matter if
rich people own this country and toss us around, even when dems have power. you enjoy enslavement.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:51 PM
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20. What bias? I thought that they were the ones trying to bias the super delegates?
Pelosi encouraged the super delegates to reflect the will of the people. These bozos want to use their money to fix the nomination. Who is biased again?
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:56 PM
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28. That statement reminds me of Rush Limbaugh...
How he always tries to portray the rich as being "oppressed". People need to wake up, the very rich completely control Washington and the US government. They have a monopoly on political and economic power, they are definitely not "sweet", "innocent", or "oppressed"!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:49 PM
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30. Speaker Pelosi Got A's In Basic
math!

Yes and how dare those corporate thugs try to interfere in democracy. This is not a good group of people, they don't give a rats ass about democracy, people, jobs, or much more except profit. They have an agenda. Speaker Pelosi would say the same thing if it were Clinton in lead and Obama supporters sending the letter. (although, getting the signatures of two million people may take a few days)

Did you even read who these people are?
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:00 AM
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63. Hillary can't have it both ways
she is saying Florida and Michigan should get to vote or it is undemocratic, that the caucuses should not count because they are undemocratic but then, when we count every vote, the superdelegates should be able to overturn it all.

We can see right through arguments like that. You might want to step back and take a look at what your candidate is saying and ask yourself if it is something you believe in.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:38 AM
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73. Welllll....Why don't YOU try to get a letter DIRECTLY to Pelosi....
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 10:40 AM by cliffordu
I'm sure you have the same clout and access to her as the rich pukes who just tried to manipulate YOUR democracy.

Really. Why would you even wander off in that direction??

Edited for one cup of coffee grammar. Sheesh
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:26 AM
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2. Well that seems to be pretty clear. To hell with democracy and the
vote. Follow the money. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:52 AM
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11. Seriously....n/t
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:27 AM
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3. Thank you so much...
I had seen the names in another post but didn't know anything about them, except the BET guy, of course.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:28 AM
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4. Fuck these rich bastards! They don't run the show anymore.
Tell them to stuff their donations up their asses, Nancy.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:30 AM
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6. K/R
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:35 AM
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7. K&R n/t
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:37 AM
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8. Intimidate Nancy Pelosi? Why who at DU could even imagine such a thing?!?
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:43 AM
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9. K & R
Money = power, and power corrupts. Nobody ever said that power corrupts everyone except Democrats.

This is the purpose of the DLC - to keep power in the system, and not let any of it bleed off to any populist movements. Good for the powerful; not so much for the vastly overwhelming majority of us.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 10:50 AM
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10. A cliche comes to mind. The one that.....
hit me immediately was, you are judged by the company you keep.

The clintons may be the biggest skeeves to come down the political pike since g.w.

In fact, I think the clintons ARE a cliche at this point.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:03 AM
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13. Good work!
:kick:
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:37 AM
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14. Haim Saban's Power Rangers Empire


In the United States, he became a television producer, founding Saban Entertainment in 1983. During that time, Haim Saban and partner Shuki Levy became known for soundtrack compositions for children's television programs of the 1980s. Although Levy and Saban composed for their own properties (such as Kidd Video and Maple Town), they scored for other production companies as well (such as Inspector Gadget, The Mysterious Cities of Gold, M.A.S.K., Dinosaucers, Dragon Quest, He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, She-Ra, and Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors).

In the 1990s, Saban's company became best known for the adaptations of Power Rangers, Masked Rider, VR Troopers and Big Bad Beetleborgs.


Haim Saban Wikipedia

Samurai Pizza Cats
The Real Ghost Busters
The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!
ALF: The Animated Series
Rainbow Brite
Mister T

Haim Saban IMDb Credits
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 11:54 AM
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15. This is what we're up against....
but they don't call it blackmail, it's just "expressing an opinion." Yeah right...

Obviously the elite manipulators are very PO'd that the anointed candidate is not able to railroad this election like they thought.

:thumbsup: Pelosi

Thanks for the link.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:34 PM
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17. K&R. (nt)
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:45 PM
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18. When I saw a Rothschild on the list, I made a guess...
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 04:46 PM by 40ozDonkey
...that these weren't the people who'll be knocking door to door in battleground states this fall.



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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:46 PM
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19. K&R !!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:52 PM
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21. Where have these folks been over the past eight years?
In what way has their money and power helped the United States become a more democratic nation?
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:57 PM
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22. Big money and the big money candidate are being shot down
Buh-bye.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:02 PM
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23. K&R - down with plutocracy!
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:07 PM
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24. K&R
:kick:
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:22 PM
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25. kick.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:31 PM
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27. Need more recs, ppl! K&R and BOOKMARKED! THANKS! n/t
PB
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 06:00 PM
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29. great info--thanks. We gotta keep fighting these kind. They
will not fade away silently or easily. They will, no doubt, leverage tremendous pressure on whoever wins.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:01 AM
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31. Wow! Thank you! I was wondering who they were!
K and R
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:29 AM
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32. Isn't this enough to tell people who Clinton will be representing?
The more I see and learn of her behavior, the more I see her for what she is. It comes down to her lies, and deceptions. That's it. We saw it in Bush and we'll get what we deserve.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:55 AM
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49. Exactly!
More Republicans in Dems clothing, and ole Billary's got the backing of these fucking scumbags all the way.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 03:08 AM
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33. THANKS
for listing the people from the letter. I've been wondering who they were since the M$M keeps neglecting to give out their names.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:48 AM
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34. K&R
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Oldenuff Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 05:28 AM
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35. So...
The big money people want the rules changed to suit themselves?If the roles were reversed,they'd be screaming bloody murder if anyone even suggested this,and threathening to take their money an go home.I'm hoping that the days of elections being bought and sold by the big money people and the lobbysists are over.(but I doubt it).

I don't mean to be cruel or judgemental,but that old saying about being "known by the company you keep", sure seems to ring true in this case.It's about time to throw a curve ball to the big money interests...(and they are not all Republicans,as has become obvious).
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:34 AM
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36. K & R
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:36 AM
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37. For the first time in a long, long time the "little" people have the clout.
Money talks and millions of small donors have spoken louder that a few party fat cats.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:37 AM
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38. I may actually donate to the DCCC for a change... ($32.53?)

Usually I like to give directly to candidates, but if Pelosi is going to tell big donors off for trying to move the goalposts when they find out they've backed the wrong horse, I think it's up to us to help make up the difference.

Just a small amount, probably -- what do you guys think -- there are 3253 pledged delegates (though that number probably flexes a little) so I was thinking maybe $32.53

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:44 AM
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40. Outstanding
Good work. :thumbsup:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:48 AM
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41. K & R....
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 06:56 AM
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42. They have the same rights we all do
to give their money to the candidates/ party they want to.

Too bad for future and downticket Dems if Pelosi alienates them. Her own pocketbook may dry up as well.

But... not to worry... the Obama small donors will be waiting in the wings to support her. And dozens of other local offices.

Yeah, SURE THEY WILL.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:21 AM
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43. THESE are the people that want guaranteed access.
Good info. Let's deny them that access.

:thumbsup:
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:26 AM
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44. I Am Sure They Never Wanted Anything In Return For Their Charity
They are just passionate Americans trying to support democracy the same as everyone else. I am sure Marc and Denise Rich have their opinions, too.
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Fyddlestyx Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:41 AM
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46. K & R
:kick:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:43 AM
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47. Praise for all of them
Good thing someone is standing up to Pelosi. What a sad, pathetic leader she has been. Willing to sit by silently while the Iraq War rages on and Bush destroys the Constitution, but ready to jump into the fray to destroy the rules of the Democratic party. Why? Just to electe corporate America's favorite candidate.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:59 AM
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50. obama is corporate america`s favorite candidate?
interesting..
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:01 AM
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51. What's interesting
is that you don't realize it. Sorry, but the blind support of Obama folks and their refusal to look at the truth about their candidate cause me to have very little respect for them.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:17 AM
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55. i`m under no illusion about barack...he`s a politician.
i believe he is a better choice because he believes in the power of the people to change their lives where as hillary believes only the benevolent powers of the state can effect change.

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:06 AM
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64. and you don't think Hillary has ANY responsibility for letting the war rage on and letting
Bush destroy the constitution?

Pelosi didn't even vote for the war for heavens sake.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 07:44 AM
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48. Suddenly, the Clinton/Murdoch connection makes a lot more sense to me
I notice at least two of the names on that list work for Rupe.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:04 AM
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53. you forgot her meeting with scabie the other day
mr "you killed vince foster" and the capitan of the swift boat crew....

she is judged by the company she keeps.

i`ll take a crazy pastor over a bunch of right wing zealots who want to kill our republic
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:04 AM
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52. These people are scary...they think they can buy Pelosi.
They think they can buy Dean.

Have we ever seen a more blatant example of how concentrating donations in the hands of a few is bad for our country?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:06 AM
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Frankly, I'm not surprised. Money buys power and influence
Thats why they back Clinton, they thought she would win this thing. Messes up their plans a bit that Obama is ahead in the delegate count. Look, I would vote for Hillary if she were our nominee but stuff like this just pisses me off. Sell to the highest bidder crap that makes everyone angry about Washington. Pelosi isn't perfect but at least she finally seems to have grown a backbone what with the FISA thing and now standing up to these turds. I got a newsflash for CLinton supporters regarding this, if Obama's donors did this regarding Hillary it would make me sick. The buying and selling of America for power and influence is sickening no matter who does it, Dem or Rethug.
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Indy Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:06 AM
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54. Clarence Avant


http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Clarence_Avant.php

At least Clarence has picked someone to back,

up until this point he was covering his bases.


He gave money to:

Clinton
Obama
Edwards
Richardson

For their presidential campaigns.


I suggest everyone pick a name, google it, and report back.

BTW if you add -nancy to your goolge search such as (Clarence Avant -nancy), it will remove all the results with the name nancy, which are mostly stories about the letter sent to Nancy Pelosi, with nothing about the donors.

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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:20 AM
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56. So, basically they are a bunch of neoconservatives.
This is who Clinton surrounds herself with.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:36 AM
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59. more neo liberals than neo cons
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:30 AM
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68. Po-tay-to / Po-tah-to. (nt)
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DaDooRonRon Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:34 AM
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57. As usual, most everyone misses the point
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 08:34 AM by DaDooRonRon
Everyone here is so busy trying to prove that "X" is so much better than "Y" that this one little line escapes them:

Most, if not all of these donors will then support Obama, and continue to donate to Democratic groups.

The Democratic Party - AND Mr. Obama - will continue to accept them. The big money will continue to set policy, because when it comes to corporate control, there ain't a dime's worth of difference between an elephant and a donkey.

Unless you live in DreamLand, which seems to be the preferred place of residence for a lot of you.

Money comes in first - always.

The dreamers set the table - the bankers eat.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:32 AM
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70. I think you are mistaken. This is not a new situation.
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 10:32 AM by redqueen
Powerful interests donate to both sides. Corruption doesn't pick only one side to bribe, they just hedge their bets and put more money on the pols they expect to best serve their interests. Nobody here is stupid enough to think that just cause these assholes give to both dems and repukes, that both dems and repukes are equally corrupt.

:think:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:35 AM
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58. Her money is on Obama. His? Clinton. the Pritzker`s
"As sister and brother, Penny Pritzker and Jay Robert "J.B." Pritzker have fought over everything from toys to how to divide a family fortune worth billions.

Now they are going head-to-head in politics, with the Democratic presidential nomination as their battleground. One is leading the fundraising for Sen. Barack Obama, while the other has a new alliance with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.


In an interview Sunday, J.B. Pritzker said he would become the national chairman of Citizens for Hillary, a new campaign initiative that will be charged with grass-roots outreach, fundraising and policy matters."



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0705130653may14,1,540339.story?page=1&coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 09:35 AM
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61. If Pelosi were smart, she'd call their bluff and say "Well maybe I WILL support impeachment now!"
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 09:36 AM by calipendence
... and explain that if they are going to play too much hardball to get DCCC its funding with their "preconditions", that she and the DCCC will go back to the grass roots to appeal to them for the funds they've been holding back from the DCCC because of things like their/her earlier stance on impeachment, which was probably one of the issues that this group was using their clout to keep her from doing earlier too.

I think if she did that, it might go a long way to solidifying her nomination later this year too, which I believe might be under a lot of threat given her stances to this point against doing impeachment or playing hardball on war funding with this president.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 09:53 AM
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62. k&r
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:22 AM
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66. Thanks for the posting
it's nice to clearly see who these power-brokers are. I have to give Pelosi credit for standing up to common sense & maybe finding a little back-bone.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:20 AM
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65. Very nice work.
I like the background info - K&R!

Lord - I wonder how many of us poured money into Saban's pocket because of those danged Power Rangers when our kids were younger...
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:28 AM
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67. Moral of the story?
Just because you are a slime ball, it doesn't make you a republican.
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:31 AM
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69. Robert Johnson (BET) & Haim Sabin (Fox family &
Power-Rangers glory) have made their money poisoning America kids & the black community thru bogus programming.

They should stick to crap t.v. & leave the democratic process to the people.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:32 AM
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71. a union buster, a missle maker, a friend of Rupert Murdoch....
jeez... I guess $$ really doesn't buy class or dignity.
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:38 AM
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72. this was such a good read.
i went to your link. so full of info. i am just overwhelmed. now i wonder if so many of our dem agenda ideas were squandered by heat from these folks. i wonder if impeachment was off the table because if we dug deep enough we would see dlc underneath of the neocon gold plating. i feel empowered like i haven't felt in a long time. it felt good to hear others voice some of our concerns and where is the msm on this issue? my head is spinning-i love it. thanks for bringing it here oilwelian.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:44 AM
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74. Kick
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 10:46 AM
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75. Sums up who Hillary really IMO. Keep your money you rich assholes - Obama has us and
doesn't need your stinkin' money.
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ajamo Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:00 AM
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76. Money talks, not this time.
I Bet that these same people are part of the ones who put the blocks to John Edwards, now they want Obama. Donate to Obama we don't need the money for the greedy. Hillary do you agree with me, turn them down and get down to earth again. That is asking a lot.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 11:33 AM
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77. we're taking our party back, and we're taking our country back...
And they don't like it. It scares them.


It should.

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