CLINTONS WILL BE STOPPED BY PARTY LEADERS

[99th_Monkey]

March 26, 2008 at 11:59:15

Headlined on 3/26/08:
CLINTONS WILL BE STOPPED BY PARTY LEADERS

by Allen L Roland

It is becoming apparent to many Democratic party leaders that the Clintons will stop at nothing to regain the White House in November ~ even at the expense of the party itself. As such, prominent party leaders, already starting with Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson, will announce their support for Obama which will force the Clintons to concede ~ even before the Pennsylvania primary on April 22nd : Allen L Roland

Bill Richardson's strong endorsement of Barack Obama was a shot across the bow of the Clinton camp that their continued gutter tactics and Obama sniping are putting the possibility of a united Democratic party going into the November election at severe risk.
Put that in the context of a recent statement ( as reported by Jake Tapper, ABC News) by a Democratic party official, who asked for anonymity so as to speak candidly, who said we in the media are all missing the point of this Democratic fight.

" The question was what will Hillary have to do to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, in order to eke out her improbable victory?

She will have to "break his back," the official said. She will have to destroy Obama, make Obama completely unacceptable.

"Her securing the nomination is certainly possible - but it will require exercising the " Tonya Harding " option.'" the official said. "Is that really what we Democrats want?"

It implies that Clinton is so set on ensuring that Obama doesn't get the nomination, not only is she willing to take extra-ruthless steps, but in the end neither she nor Obama will win the gold."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/dnc-official-cl.html

Let me unequivocally tell you that is not what the Democratic party leadership wants ~ particularly in light of the high possibility of a huge increase in Democratic office holders in the November elections.

As such, the Clintons will be stopped when a succession of high profile Democratic leaders ( all superdelegates ) endorse Obama, one by one, right up to the Pennsylvania primary on April 22nd.

Chris Dodd was the first and Bill Richardson was the second. They will soon be followed by John Edwards, Jimmy Carter and finally Al Gore.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_allen_l__080326_clintons_will_be_sto.htm

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Awesome! K&R

[99th_Monkey]

5. This is precisely what should happen at this point, I just hope they follow through with it. ~nt~

[InsultComicDog]

24. It will be handled. By top men.

/will keep repeating this line that most people don't even get

[anamandujano]

47. Mafioso?

[Tellurian]

136. Sounds like wishful thinking by the Obama crowd..

what else is new?

[odelisk8]

151. the candidate

with the most votes, the most delegates and the most states won, HIS supporters are engaging in WISHFUL thinking when they assume he will be the nominee?

um...you have it backwards, i'm afraid...

[Tellurian]

224. Um, no- The Convention will be brokered...

[DURHAM D]

230. Looks to me like loser Donna Brazille is running her mouth again. eom

[Alexander]

48. Does that mean the nomination will be locked in a crate and put in a warehouse?

One of my favorite movies. I'm surprised nobody got your reference yet.

[InsultComicDog]

220. lol, yep

It's fun though reading the responses before someone picks up the reference

[dionysus]

94. raiders of the lost ark reference?

[InsultComicDog]

222. indeed

[enid602]

132. again

Just as it was in 2000. Except instead of getting a 'boy king' with a fake cowboy accent, we get one who feigns a preacher's style. Great.

[FreepFryer]

221. Great reference. (n/t)

[sallyseven]

154. How dare you lock out many people who have not voted yet.

In the event the Democratic party does this they can kiss my support good bye. Just because the media wants it doesn't make it so. Demo rats fight and it is good. The repukes fall into line right away because they have no brains. There are millions who have voted for Hillary almost at this point as St. Obama. What is the problem. McLame is going to fail in his bid for the presidency. He is old and sick, including some dementia. Don't think people will not notice this. He is going to be just like bush so he says.

[99th_Monkey]

164. Why do you think John Edwards dropped out? Ans: for the good of the party & Dem chances in Nov.

He knew (as Hillary knows by this time too) that he wasn't going to get enough delegates to win, so
he did the honorable thing, for the good of the party. What's the point in keeping on digging this
hole any deeper for ourselves, and keeping campaign "loyalists" hyped up hate another Dem who's going
to be the nominee? There's absolutely NO point in doing it, except Hillary's over-weened egoic
obsession with becoming "the first female president".

[The Doctor.]

223. This is your first primary, huh?

If not, then you can explain how super delegates choosing the nominee and Clinton dropping out is 'locking out' people who havent voted yet.

[Political Heretic]

250. Um...where have you been EVERY OTHER NOMINATION YEAR IN MODERN HISTORY?

Where you on your soapbox expressing your total outrage that every single state didn't have a "say" before the nomination was locked up?

[marshall]

96. When are Gore and Edwards going to put on their big boy pants and step up?

They need to make their voices known, they have stayed on the sidelines for far too long.

[Tellurian]

137. Al Gore? Never endorse Obama.. Edwards...sacrificed by Obama for his own success

I expect Gore and Edwards to endorse Hillary!

[marshall]

141. As long as they do something--shit or get off the pot!

They are just standing on the sidelines while everything goes to hell.

[Eric Condon]

196. Well, wish in one hand...

nt

[leftcoastie]

202. Absolutely wrong.

Gore hates the Clintons. Edwards platform is much closer to Obama's than Hillary's. This is only her vanity, she felt entitled to the nomination. Well, perhaps any other time maybe yes, I would've supported her. There is nothing she is doing to help the Democratic party. She should drop out like all the rest of the candidates with grace and support Obama.

There appears to be no way she can win unless she and Bill strong arm and STEAL it. To me, that says screw the party, it's ALL about us.


Well I got some news for them....

[ExPatLeftist]

208. How has Obama "sacrificed" Edwards?

Or is this just more of that "How dare Obama run!" dementia?

[OwnedByFerrets]

213. Yes, I want to hear this one too.....

As bad as I hated it when it happened, JE had the grace to step aside for the good of the Country when it was apparent he wouldnt win......unlike someone else.

[OwnedByFerrets]

212. .....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Gore endorsing Clinton?????:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[sellitman]

217. If Gore and Edwards come out for Clinton...

Obama still has the popular vote and the State Delegates. The Supers would still pick Obama.

[dchill]

229. You've really got it BAD!

They will do whatever they do - for the Democratic Party.

[AX10]

2. Chris Dodd never liked HRC and never wanted her.

He was attacking her back in December. It's official, my state has two ass's for Senators.

[stahbrett]

9. So... Dodd is like a lot of voters, who don't like her and don't want her elected (nt)

[KAZ]

14. Smart man, that Dodd. Glad I donated to him for his filibuster threat.

[CountAllVotes]

18. Dodd would make a fine VP!!

:think: :D

[KAZ]

22. We have so many fine Dems! But he really stood out on that battle.

[calimary]

55. I did, too! And glad of it. He was there when NOBODY else wanted to be. Even left

the campaign trail to go back home and do it, while he was still in the running.

I don't donate to that many Democrats these days. The litmus test for me is whether they prove they have backbone. And I mean prove it. AND anyone who supports IMPEACHMENT.

I like Dodd a lot.

BUT: we have to consider the less-than-wise and less-than-strategic prospect of taking not one but two Democrats out of the Senate. We may not want to do that. We'll already be extracting one. We need MORE Dems in the Senate and I don't think we could afford it, even as good as Dodd is. Same thing for Biden. We'd need to balance the ticket. Which is why someone like Wesley Clark is a good idea. Or some governor maybe? Or a John Edwards maybe?

I would at one point have said Hillary, but I don't think she'd accept a VP slot behind Obama. And I think after so much rancor through the campaign, it might be difficult to expect voters to accept the idea that they're suddenly all thisclose friends again. I'm not sure sufficient numbers of voters would buy it. At one time it wasn't an awkward pairing to consider. Now it is. And it's growing more awkward by the day.

[Kare]

157. Don't think it will happen

The media tried to sell the whole Obama/HIllary or HIllary/Obama ticket as our "Dream Ticket"
I don't like the looks of either of those and I think that either one is very unlikely at this point
with all the hard feelings floating around there is no way they can kiss and make up in a
convincing way.

I would like to see Obama/Edwards that would be nice but I don't see that happening either,
didn't Edwards say he didn't want a VP slot?

[gmudem]

15. I would be proud to have Dodd as a senator

The man stood up to Republican bullies who wanted to further shit all over the constitution over the FISA bill and he wouldn't let that happen.

And now just because he doesn't like Hillary you're calling him an ass? Absurd.

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[karynnj]

29. He was running against her in December

If you can't justify Dodd attacking someone he is running against - why is it ok for HRC to speak of throwing kitchen sinks at Obama?

[JanusAscending]

50. I'm from Ct. too..............and Chris Dodd

isn't "THE ASS" around here, (meaning DU and this thread)

[Warren DeMontague]

57. Wow. Another damning indictment of Hillary's character, if you ask me.

After Dodd showed incredible bravery and patriotism on FISA, I'm more inclined than ever to listen to his opinion.

[proud2BlibKansan]

63. I'll trade you

I live in Kansas. Brownback and Roberts.

I'll take Dodd over either one of them.

[a la izquierda]

75. Ewww. But I think I've got you beat here in OK...

Coburn and Inhofe?? Come on, seriously. I'll trade those two jackasses for any Democrat at this point. Even HRC. And I'm not voting for her in Nov. if she's the candidate (but before you all start flaming me...I'm not voting for the Old Fart and it won't go to the popular vote, so here in Oklahoma it's doesn't make one iota of a difference if I vote for a Democrat--many like Obama here, but certainly not enough. We've still got people supporting a Congresswoman who said that the Gay agenda is more of a threat than "terrorism or Islam"; there's also a bill to let 21 year olds with military training bring guns on college campuses...Obama just isn't winning here and neither is HRC).

[proud2BlibKansan]

86. You win

:)

[gateley]

107. Wait! Me! Me! Libby Dole and Richard Burr!

:scared:

[spiritual_gunfighter]

113. K&R

I live in Illinois, guess who one of my senators is? Oh wait... soon to be nominee.

[Chisox08]

142. I live in Illinois too

We have two great senators. One of them soon will be President of the United States.

[gateley]

105. Can't use that charge against Kennedy about not liking her --

they were friends.

[Barrymores Ghost]

234. Maybe it's you who's the ass, but you can't hear the whispers in the wind...

...for all of your constant braying.

[Bonobo]

3. They better or it will be a much smaller party cause many of us will leave if...

If the Clintons twist enough arms to overturn the will of the voters, I will leave the Democratic party and I do not think I will be alone in saying that.

[Life Long Dem]

21. That is like one of those impossibilties.

The will of the people won't let it happen. That's another ballgame from the "hold your nose" vote.

[Rubiconski2009]

138. Who's bright idea was it to let Billary run anyway??

Didn't they realize she'd have NO CHANCE in a general election?

[Politicalboi]

232. Nope your not alone

I would stay home too. Hillary did this to herself and no one else is to blame. And I believe Gore and Edwards and Carter will endorse Obama. They should have done this long ago. The "Sniper Fire" statement really did get her in more ways than one. But she did it to herself. Suicide

[NightWatcher]

4. smoke em if ya got em. that's why Obama was relaxin in the Virgin Islands last weekend

hey mon, no problem

[Politicalboi]

233. Vote for Ralph 08

[southern_belle]

6. I sure hope so!

This has to end. :(

[fascisthunter]

7. I Think This is Due

For the sake of the party and hopefully the country.

[sallyseven]

161. Do yo really care for the party.

I don't think so. The party will survive only if the voters in the remaining states have the option to vote either way. Give me a break are you afraid they might not vote for you guy?

[blonndee]

8. Who is this guy? I don't see any evidence that "a succession of high profile Democratic leaders"

are going to endorse Obama, as he claims. MAYbe it's true, but this statement alone doesn't convince me at all.

[99th_Monkey]

12. Allen L Roland is a practicing psychotherapist. I think the Party needs one about now.

Allen L Roland is a practicing psychotherapist, author and lecturer who also shares a daily political and social commentary on his weblog and website allenroland.com He also guest hosts a monthly national radio show TRUTHTALK on www.conscioustalk.net

[blonndee]

I saw that--I guess I meant, who is he in terms of having any inside political knowledge?

Thanks for that anyway. And I agree that we could use one. Heh.

[papau]

31. there is no such group - Obama has claimed this since before March 4th losses - indeed Obama smears

have destroyed the party more than anything else - screaming that the Clintons were racists that were playing the "race card" before a primary with 57% black voters in SC - but that screaming by Obama did stop Hillary's momentum from NH - Obama is slick.

There are indeed those that will not vote Dem in Nov if he is nominated - the damage is already done.

[AX10]

34. All true.

[jahyarain]

207. that's alright

if dems don't want 2 vote Obama in, we Liberals will.

[WCGreen]

38. He's so slick he can take stuff right out of your hand...

And you'd never feel it...

Come on...

He is smart, savvy and knows how to attack another candidate without a bludgeon...

To tell you the truth...

I would rather have all the shit that can possibly be brought to the surface happen now so there will be no October surprises...

[anamandujano]

44. Correct.

[TomBall Democrat]

77. Disagree - Obama has ENERGIZED THE PARTY

No honest person can state that Obama has anything to do with the death of the party. This beast has been dying for years! Bush was the best damn thing that happened to us. No candidate ever excited newcomers. I held my nose and voted for John Kerry.

But not this year, I danced to the polls to vote for Obama in the primary. And will do so in November, superdelegates willing.

I have been ACTIVE at the precinct and county level for many years. Never have I seen this level of interest and commitment.

And it is ALL NEW on the Obama side.

Those hanging to the past are ALL CLINTON SUPPORTERS.

Face the future. It belongs to those who are open to change.

I, too, fear that if HRC manages to spirit the nomination - she will kill the beast that brung her to the party.

[mhoran]

84. Hillary is the unelectable candidate

I have always maintained that I would vote for Hillary if she were the Dem nominee, but the thought of maintaining that stance becomes more unpalatable to me with every passing day.

The behaviors of her and her campaign team have gone from disappointing to dismaying to disturbing to disgusting. Her only route to the nomination is via a scorched earth path, but in the process she will burn far too many bridges to win the general election in November.

[Mme. Defarge]

88. I also believe

she has blown it for 2012, if that was her back-up plan.

[Stephanie]

101. She has blown her Senate re-election for 2012, IMO

She's burned her bridges here too.

[mdmc]

110. I doubt it my friend

Who could the GOP run against her? Ghouls?:shrug:

[Laurab]

135. Personally, I'm hoping another dem challenges her.

It would be very, very difficult for me to vote for her again, and I don't think I'm alone - I believe it would be easy for another dem to take her Senate seat.

[mdmc]

139. Only RFKjr.

I can't think of anyone else that could take her on.

[Stephanie]

159. What about John Hall?

I'm hoping for Samantha Power, myself. Where does she live?

[Laurab]

194. I'm not sure he would - but a lot can happen between now and then.

A LOT of New Yorkers just aren't that fond of her anymore, and she's done it to herself. Who knows who might turn up as a viable option between now and then?

[Stephanie]

158. Not the GOP - I mean a Democratic challenger.

[Alcibiades]

118. The Clintons, of course, aren't slick at all

First off, the party hasn't been destroyed. The debate between the DLC Lieberman wing of the party and the grassroots liberal activists has been a long time coming, and it's good for the party.

From what I've seen, there have been more folks claiming they will stay home from the Clinton camp rather than the Obama camp if their candidate is the nominee.

No matter. I'm an Edwards supporter. My candidate is out of the race, so now I'm supporting Obama. Whoever wins the nomination, I'll be there working the streets for them in November. It's time to end the divisiveness. Let's have our primary. But let's also end this hyperbole about people who support other candidates wanting to "destroy the party." We heard the same nonsense back in 1968 and 1972. We're the oldest democratic political party on the face of the earth. There are people within the Democratic Party who differ with Senator Clinton on the issues. It does not make them in some way pathological or acting out of bad faith. Our party will not be destroyed by a healthy democratic debate on the issues.

[The Doctor.]

146. If by "smears" you mean "rational characterizations", then you're half right.

If you won't vote for him in November, then the problem is you, not him.

[AllentownJake]

10. When you start seeing Al Gore

Giving his take on the election.....its the single to the Clintons its over.

[Georgie_92]

11. They better hurry up before it's to late.

[anamandujano]

45. You mean before Obama completes his meltdown?

[Alexander]

51. What meltdown? Obama's not the one with 37% approval ratings.

Remind me again how Hillary Clinton is supposed to win the nomination?

[LVjinx]

59. Re-read the article, they admit they used a large african american oversample.

Not that that would have lowered Clinton's approval or raised Obama's of course, since black voters are completely neutral in this race, right?

[Zueda]

68. Something tells me that polling is not your expertise.

[jettison]

92. wrong

<Not that that would have lowered Clinton's approval or raised Obama's of course, since black voters are completely neutral in this race, right?>

And white people are completely neutral in this race, right? And women are completely neutral in this race, right? Why do people continue to still play this absurd card. Of course there is bias. Who do you think is learning a lesson right now? We could go on... and voters for Illinois are completely neutral, right? And younger, hipper people are completely neutral, right?

We could go on for days with this nonsense. Everytime someone mentions "the black vote" they come off looking like a fool.

[Zueda]

149. You may want to read this...

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/pollster_we_did_not_oversample.php

[Politicalboi]

236. Blacks make up 17%

Of the US population it shouldn't matter to the Queen. She should have been able to kick this kid to the dirt early. But now she's kicking dirt at the party and Obama. She needs to kick herself in the ass for the ass she has been.

[femmocrat]

13. Interesting.... K&R

especially about Edwards, Carter, and Gore.

Maybe now we know what they were "waiting" for.

[99th_Monkey]

16. I certainly makes sense, just from the standpoint of saving the Dem's Party from total melt-down.

and doing so with some integrity (i.e. not reversing the clear choice of Dem. voters in the primaries).

[grassfed]

17. Call your local Party office - they want to hear from you - phone #'s here:

http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/10/contact_your_el.php

Call and register your concerns with anyone who answers the phone before it's too late. Hillary may have already caused irreparable damage to our goal of breaking the cycle of killing but we need to act and stop sniping at her deadenders on this board.

[NEOhiodemocrat]

30. thank you for the contact information

and the nudge to take some action. I just emailed the DNC and explained how I felt. I also asked that if this is not resolved before the convention I would like to be removed from the DNC call list as I will not support putting personal ambition before the will of the people and our common cause of taking back the leadership of our country from the republicans.

[gateley]

108. Thanks to both of you --

and I'm going to contact the DNC and the NC Dem party now. Reading this thread, I was wondering if any of us had taken our concerns and gripes to the powers that be (I know I haven't thus far).

[sallyseven]

171. Lets wait for the full will of the people and let the primaries

continue. Your not the only person who should be considered. There are millions of others understand?

[Politicalboi]

238. Let's make a deal

Tell Hillary to keep her mouth shut till the primaries and maybe we'll see.

[EFerrari]

46. That might usefully be posted in its own thread in the morning.

:)

[Myrina]

140. My local party office has a sign on the door:

"Obama T-shirts! $15!!"
No HRC merch being 'advertised'.

Primary's not for another month (Indiana).

What does that say about the preferred candidate?


:shrug:

[sallyseven]

167. Are you really that obnoxious or are you still

taking lessons? I would't even call to have Obama told what to do.

[depakid]

19. I think BOTH OF THEM might be stopped by party leaders

at the convention if it looks likely that each would badly lose.

[BlueIdaho]

20. And here's how you can help...

Contact the DNC and the DCCC and tell them very clearly that you are done sending any money to the party and its congressional committee until this mess is sorted out. You can drive this message home by demanding they take you off their mailing list and add you on their do not call list. Trust me - as soon as they realize the cash cow has gone dry everyone will become "reasonable" overnight. Running political party on spit and shoelaces isn't nearly as much fun as riding around town in a limo and eating at fancy restaurants.

[grassfed]

26. DNC - DCCC - DSCC contact information

DNC
Democratic National Committee
http://www.democrats.org/contact.html
202-863-8000
877-336-7200

DCCC
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
http://dccc.org/page/s/contact
202-863-1500

DSCC
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
http://www.dscc.org/content?content_item_KEY=1442
202 -224-2447

[UALRBSofL]

23. I don't think the Clintons are trying to destroy the party

And there are a lot of people that feel the same way as I do. She is down 700,000 votes and so obviously these people don't believe that. That being said, we'll have to wait and see what happens.

[dkf]

64. They aren't trying to destroy the party, that is a side effect of their

monsterlike need to keep trying to destroy anyone who stands in their way.

[N4457S]

178. Yeah...

...I would tend to agree here. It's not about the party. It's about them. It was always this way.

I've been telling people for over a year that if Hillary is the nominee, the party will lose in November and then the party itself will come apart like a Chevy 350 small block throwing a rod.

This scenario can be avoided, but will it?

[Why Syzygy]

257. If Hillary is the nominee, the party needs to come apart at the seams.

No more band-aids. DINO dust.

[backscatter712]

25. Yeah, the party bigwigs are twisting arms in the back room as we speak.

They're dropping public hints - first Bill Richardson's endorsement, then Harry Reid's cryptic statements, as well as Pelosi's words. Those are shots across the bow to the Clinton camp - just a taste of the public humiliation she'll get if she doesn't find a way to gracefully bow out quickly. If she continues to mudsling, she'll soon face a mass defection by 50+, maybe even a hundred superdelegates, wiping out her lead, bringing Obama close to 2025, and making winning completely impossible for her. The bigwigs will also start pulling strings - removing her pork from legislation, pressuring the media to start ignoring her, asking her big donors to stop sending her money. She'll face an increasingly overpowering chorus of pressure for her to drop out.

[DeschutesRiver]

150. I agree

and think her clinging to the idea of "power" so much that she'd rather see dems ripped apart is not a good thing at all.

I wish she would just change parties, and try to get the VP slot on McCain's ticket, if she wants to run for something.

[sallyseven]

175. Hillary is more of a democrat

than Obama will ever be. Mr. College Professor (ha ha) is dishonest and a empty suite.

[Lucky 13]

186. He's an empty hotel room?

[anamandujano]

242. Cheap shot which you'll come to regret. You'd better watch your own typos

in the future.

[Lucky 13]

262. It was just a joke.

Remember when people could give each other light hearted ribbings and make silly jokes?
Just trying to make a funny. Clearly failed. Apologies.

[mhoran]

218. Nothing worse...

...than an empty suite. Maybe Bill could find a use for it?

[Heathen57]

276. More like a DLC Democrat

Pro big business, against any progressives, and endorses the GOP candidate.

If that is what you call a real Democrat, you are sadly mistaken.

[anamandujano]

241. The bigwigs would look a lot less like big mouths if they had any

kind of decent record of accomplishment.

The only thing that seems to rouse them from their stupor is the prospect of shutting down the democratic process.

[Kahuna]

265. You bet they are. When a poll comes out saying that more Hillary

supporters will cast revenge votes for McCain than Obama voters, the SDs most likely link this trend to Hillary and Bill's blatant boosting of McCain over Obama. It begins to look like there's some truth to the rumor that Hillary would rather McCain win over Obama so that she can run again in 2012. That is unforgivable that they would risk a Democratic sweep for their own personal ambition.

[Kahuna]

266. You described it perfectly. Every time a big gun endorses Barack..

it's after the clintoons have done particulary odious acts that harm the likely presumptive nominee. I believed that Bill comments last night about not whining about political tactics were directed more at the SDs than at Obama since Obama was not the one making any noise.

[Cha]

28. I hope this materializes.. it's like

clintons are asking for it and they're gonna get it.

[cooolandrew]

32. WOW. Now that's dramatic. The feeling of hope is envigoratingme again. How about you guys.=)

[Bensthename]

33. I hope your last sentence it right and happens soon. Probably after PA though.

[Taxmyth]

35. Star Power Democratic Party Members

John Edwards - Could fill any room to capacity hours after the tickets went on sale. When he speaks, a lot of people listen.

Al Gore - What possible superlative could you use? Next to God and the Banker, he is the man.

Bill Clinton - He's already weighed in on the subject.

Dennis Kucinich - Too bad the media doesn't love him because he is a TV Talk show ready for syndication.


Once the boys there tell me who they like then I'm in.

[shagsak]

147. This just in....

Bill Clinton is endorsing Obama!

[graycem]

190. hah, Bill has already made his choice...

didn't you see the video of his endorsement of Sen. McCain?

[LiberalLovinLug]

191. Bill has already endorsed Obama

Oct. 2004: "One of Clinton's laws of politics is, if one candidate is trying to scare you, and the other one is trying to make you think, if one candidate's appealing to your fears, and the other one's appealing to your hopes. You better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope."

[Beacool]

36. If the process is stopped before all voters are counted,

then my dear Obama supporters your guy will lose the election. If already 28% of Hillary's supporters would rather vote for McCain, watch what will happen if she's pushed out before the rest of the states get a chance to vote.

[D23MIURG23]

42. This isn't about votes.

She can't win that way, she is too far behind.

[rch35]

53. The "disenfrachising the later states" argument seems so....

ridiculous coming from a supporter of a candidate who proudly proclaimed it would be over by Feb. 5th. Golly, she sure didn't seem so concerned about Michigan, Florida, or the poor later states there at all.

[nebenaube]

83. 28 percent?

So 28% of Hillary's supporters would vote for McShame? Isn't that saying that 28% of Hillery's supporters are republicans who are going to vote for McShame anyway? That in itself proves she doesn't have the support to win after the nomination. Why do Hillary supporters insist on letting the enemy skew the election that way? One word, selfishness! This is not about women's rights or ending the racial divide in this country. It is in fact the last dying gasp of our republic and if we don't rise above our own petty desires; it's all over folks.

[jettison]

95. And you'd be happy about that right?

"then my dear Obama supporters your guy will lose the election. If already 28% of Hillary's supporters would rather vote for McCain, watch what will happen if she's pushed out before the rest of the states get a chance to vote."

And that's something to be proud of? So, 28% of Hillary voters value spite and retribution over their own personal welfare, and that of their family and children? I'd call that 28% unreasonable and out of touch at best.

This is the "If I can't have you then nobody will" mentality that a jilted lover employs before she murders her husband. It's crazy talk.

You're basically saying, "I'll vote for my enemy before I vote for someone whose supporters unsettle me even though their politics are almost identical."

Are Hillary supporters really unable to step back enough to see how absurd these "threats" are? I bet some Hillary supporters would vote for Rush Limbaugh for President rather then see Obama take office.

[mhoran]

219. Great comparison!

Spot on!

[GOTV]

119. It will be Hillary's job to bring that 28% into the fold. Can she do it? n/t

[Heathen57]

277. I think the bigger question is

WILL she do it? Will she do the right thing and when it comes down and Obama is the Democratic candidate, will she try and rally the support of her people for the good of the party?

Or will she continue to push the idea that McSame is the better candidate and try to cause a win for the GOP in the hopes for another run in 2012?

These questions will be very telling about the candidate, and just as important telling about her supporters. That will show just who the real Democrats are.

As much as the Clintons (both of them) disgust me with their ego-driven win-at-all-costs campaign, if she somehow cheats and gets the nomination, I will hold my nose and vote for her.

Then I am going to help all I can to turn the Dem party back to where it was once, not just the mirror image of the GOP it seems to becoming.

[odelisk8]

152. the reason

28% of hillary supporters would rather vote for mccain is because hillary is closer politically to mccain...that is, more to the right...

who was voted the most liberal member of the senate? oh yeah...

[syberlion]

155. After living in a state where my primary vote never really counted...

The Hubris demonstrated by the Hillary campaign to not plan past Super Tuesday, is the same hubris demonstrated by the current WH about not planing an exit strategy for a war they created. It is the same hubris the current WH is demonstrating by not listening to the voting public of '06 when a clear message was sent to get us out of that same war.

Is this what type of leadership we want?

Anyone saying they would rather vote for someone other than the democratic nominee is demonstrating their historical lack of knowledge. They are saying it is better to let Roe v. Wade be overturned. They are saying it is better to let Brown v. Board of Education become marginalized. It is better to let corporations set policy and dictate laws. It is better to allow what is left of the Constitution to be trashed.

To say we are in a Constitutional crisis is to understate the emergency this country faces. We have a dictator by fiat because we have an ineffective congressional branch and the judicial branch is all but in the back pocket of this criminal administration.

As for "breaking the back" of anyone, it is the republican party that is breaking the back of the democratic party and the irony is they aren't having to lift a finger. They've got their henchmen, MSM, doing all the heavy lifting. Once the democratic party does finalize this process, the republicans will just blow a puff of air to finish the job.

So, for each side that claims they would rather vote for anyone other then the democratic nominee I say you are following in the footsteps of all those others that continue to vote against their own interests. The interest of the poor, the interest of those who were swindled into mortgages, the interest of those dying in the ER from lack of medical coverage, the interest of those losing their loved ones in an illegal war.

Allowing this farce to continue to the downfall of not only this party, but America at large. This may go down in history as the Nero fiddling while Rome burned. Granted, we all know the C student in command is Nero...

[joneschick]

226. very nicely put. welcome to DU

:hi: I see you've been here since last August, but haven't had much to say. I encourage you to post more. :hi:

[anamandujano]

243. Well, you've got all the info in your post, just didn't put it together right.

The farce you speak of was created by the Repuke media. That is the only place it exists. You are using their talking points to slime Hillary. I suggest you cut down on your intake of said Repuke media and try to squeeze out an original thought of your own. Garbage in, garbage out.

If you check the dictionary for the word "hubris," there is a photo of Obama.

[Kare]

168. That speaks volumes about Hillary supports...... nt

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

170. it doesn't matter what group comrpises Barck's voting block in the GE. he still outperforms Clinton

vs. McCain

[wryter2000]

183. The process is almost always stopped before everyone votes

I live in CA, and this is the first time I remember that my vote had any meaning at all. By the time the primaries get here, we usually have a candidate.

I didn't get any voter input in selecting Kerry, although I was happy to support him.

[The Doctor.]

235. OMG You're SO right!!! Every voter since Edwards pulled out was disenfranchised too!

Seriously, you'd have to be an idiot to think that no other primaries have been decided before Pennsylvania. :eyes:

[Kahuna]

267. Oh please. A lot of states never get to have a say because a nominee

has the delegates they need (like Kerry) before the later states get to vote. I live in NJ. I've been voting since 1972. This is the first primary I've had a say in. Same goes for NY and CA. A lot of states. But I sense that you already knew that.

[backscatter712]

37. She's smoked.

[leeroysphitz]

109. LOL. You've just summarized the last two months of the Clinton campaign!

Too funny.

[TML]

39. This MUST happen

The longer they delay this, the more damage will be done. Come on, guys. Show some leadership and end this before we have four more years of the Bush administration.

[undeterred]

40. How much does Jimmy Carter count?

I'd rather see sitting Senators line up against her than people who aren't currently holding office.

[mdmc]

116. JIMMY counts just as much as any other superdelegate

Why should Gore, Bigdog, or Carter count less then some yokel Congressman?

[D23MIURG23]

41. I certainly hope this is correct.

I've heard a lot about party brass beginning to take note of the situation lately.

[anamandujano]

43. PARTY LEADERS WILL BE STOPPED BY VOTERS

Who the fuk do those guys think they are. They were voted in by a majority in a state or district. They do not own the party or the country.

The arrogance is astounding.

[SeattleGirl]

49. Question:

Would your reaction be the same if they were to trend toward Clinton?

This is not a snark. It's an honest question.

[anamandujano]

244. I have a very bad reaction toward unfairness, so Yes my reaction would be the same.

[Kahuna]

268. I don't think so. Hillary thought she could strong arm the SDs to give

her the nomination without all of the voters having a say. Even in light of the FACT that it is almost impossible and highly improbable that she will not overtake Obama in pledged delegates, she still insists that the SDs should override the will of the voters and give her the nomination. That is why she is currently attempting to destroy him and make him unelectable (according to the ever increasing polls), so that the SDs will give her the nomination, regardless of what the voters have already stated as their preference.

So, really your claim about "fairness" is kind of a joke. No. It IS a joke. I was trying to be nice.

[TLM]

52. In case you missed....

the voters are going for obama...

[LVjinx]

61. Actually, democrats are going for Hillary. Should independents choose the Democrat nominee

like they chose the Republican nominee? Or should the party be able to pick its own candidate? Oh, the states chose to have open or closed primaries, or caucuses, or what have you. But should superdelegates give even a slight damn what independent voters want, or should they look at democrat votes? Or should they vote the way the popular vote went in their state? That'd be a lot of votes for Hillary out of CA and NY and TX, etc. etc. etc.

Superdelegates can vote for whoever they like. Thems the rules. A little silly for people to be trying to change a 20 year old rule in the middle of an election cycle. And then complain about other people trying to change a 5-month old rule.

[D23MIURG23]

66. I question the legitimacy of that claim.

Even though it is completely irrelevant.

[TomBall Democrat]

79. Hillary won Texas with the help of the fat radio boy and

racist hate.

My election judge told me that she had "good old boys" tell her they voted for Hillary to keep a "n" out of the White House.

How's that for racism?

[gateley]

115. " Actually, democrats are going for Hillary"

Except for the democrats who will vote for McCain if Obama gets the nom. :eyes:

[toys4kitty]

117. Wow- I never knew that only Dems and Repubs counted

I have to let you know that the tone of your post is very off-putting and sounds like something HRC or surrogate would spew.
At what point did the country come together and say if you are not registered Dem or Repub that you don't count? :eyes:

<Actually, democrats are going for Hillary.>

Well hot damn! I guess I should go re-register as an indie instead of a dem. I guess I missed the info from the DNC that said because I am a dem, I must vote for HRC.

And why shouldn't independents choose? Why do their voices not matter? I was under the assumption that because this is the USA, everyone's voice matters.

As for the superD's -
whether the system is fair, or works, or what have you, is irrelevant at this point. They are the rules and hopefully it will be something that the DNC works on after this nightmare is over - regardless of the outcome.

[anamandujano]

245. Yes, the hypocrisy on the selective enforcing of rules is astounding.

[Kahuna]

269. Independents elect presidents. That's just a fact. nt

[jettison]

97. huh?

<PARTY LEADERS WILL BE STOPPED BY VOTERS>

Is this like saying "Bill Clinton" will be stopped by the voters? Obama is the one winning the popular vote and the delegate count. It's your arrogance that is astounding.

[sallyseven]

176. If he is winning why not let it continue????

Are there concerns?

[anamandujano]

246. They can't make that simple logical leap. The truth is that Obama

is ahead in this snapshot of the race. If they were so sure he was going to win, they would not have been crying for an end since New Hampshire.

[jettison]

264. crying

They have been "crying" for it to end, not because they fear they may lose, but because the subtext is that Hillary is now working as an agent for McCain by default by staying in the race and continuing to take shots at the guy who is going to win democratic nomination. I know you haven't missed this point, so why play dumb?

[gateley]

114. Arrogance. Take a look at your avatar. nt

[PaDem]

214. who are you talking about?

The superdelegates, or the Clintons. Very hard to tell by your post.

[anamandujano]

247. The people who seek to shut down our democratic process and install Obama.

They are thugs and should relocate to the nearest banana republic.

[PaDem]

263. I can't fathom where you're coming from...........

I can't recall a candidate that was "shoved down our throats" more than the inevitable Hillary Clinton.

[AntiFascist]

54. K&R, John Edwards, Jimmy Carter and Al Gore please!

do something before the Party gets damaged further.

[Kurovski]

56. K&R.

It's not a happy thing that the Clinton team has brought us to this place.

What a strange and unhappy chapter in the history of a strange and unhappy decade.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Let's hope so. nt

[Life Long Dem]

60. Bill Clinton is being a jerk lately.

[TomBall Democrat]

78. Lately? nt

[crankychatter]

239. NAFTA, CAFTA and the WAR on the POOR

I've despised slick willy since he was governor of arkansas

and I voted for him TWICE.

lol... sorry, this stuff is crazy eh?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

62. K&R

[dkf]

65. Party leaders better hurry up because Bill Clinton is a walking disaster

just waiting to happen.

[anamandujano]

249. Bill Clinton managed to get elected to president. Kennedy, Kerry (elected but

chose not to collect his prize), Dodd, Richardson et al were not able to do that.

Guess who has the better political acumen. (Pssst! It's not the guys with the "also-ran" after their names.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. The Irony

The reason that Barack Obama is not doing well against McCain or as well as some would like is because many of Hillary Clinton's supporters are indicating they will vote for McCain, vote third party, or not vote at all...

How does forcing her to leave the race solve that problem? Common sense would suggest that would only alienate them further...

[Joe the Revelator]

69. You don't give in to a group of people on the fringe holding the party ransom

the only way the party can heal is if we spend the summer uniting behind a nominee. Letting Hillary stay in the race, when she's acting like a spoiled brat, is good for ANYONE.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. I Was Making An Empirical Observation And Not A Normative One

Up to forty percent of Clinton supporters have indicated they will vote for John McCain, vote third party, or not vote at all...If those numbers are remotely correct the Democratic candidate can not win no matter how much we hope it isn't so.

[Medusa]

70. So what?

The Clintons don't respect ANY of these people.

Howard Dean? Always been bad blood between them and the Clintons.

John Edwards? Two-time failure.

Al Gore? Bad blood.

Jimmy Carter? Bill considers himself far superior to Carter because Carter was a one-term prez.

In fact, that's the entire problem in a nutshell, the Clintons think they are above the party itself, above rhyme, reason, or the law.

[npincus]

72. this is an op-ed... I HOPE it comes to pass.

[Stephanie]

73. DO IT NOW! We've indulged the Clintons long enough.

What are they waiting for?

[nxylas]

123. I have a theory

Nobody else has discussed this, AFAIK, and possibly with good reason, but is there a possibility that the release of the official Texas caucus results on Saturday would be the cue for Clinton's departure if, as predicted, they show that Obama is actually the winner in Texas? After all, she always said she would drop out if she didn't win Texas.

[RestoreGore]

74. TOO BAD THEY DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO STOP BUSH

[Raffi Ella]

76. oh christ. SUCH bullshit!!!

The only way HE could win was to break the Clinton's back!He's trying to just that,already has with the black community.

I don't wanna hear this shit about Hillary tearing the Party apart. We live in a Democracy! The media has made it appear that Obama has wild support and enthusiasm and that the public will be crushed if doesn't win and that Hillary is just "keeping him from his win".

Sorry but that is just outrageously untrue. Hillary has amazing support from the public who are just as excited about her as Obama supporter's are about him. It's not reported that way but it's true all the same.


And WHO was it that said she'd have to think about supporting Hillary if she won? WHO was it that claimed voters as HIS OWN and said publicly they would not vote for Hillary!?? WHO is hurting he Party here?? :eyes:

I am SO SICK of the lies and viciousness and the MSM choosing our Candidates!

[TomBall Democrat]

80. Did you go to a caucus?

Did you not see the excitement for Obama?

Have you been to prior caucuses - did you ever see that many people at a caucus?

What's the dif this year?

Hillary - according to her campaign is so experienced, so tested, so blah de f'ing blah - so it couldn't be her!


There are a great many of us who have been unhappy with the Clintons for a long time - but willing to accept a compromise.

This enthusiam we're seeing is from those of us who no longer have to accept something we find intolerable.

There's a new game in town - and we're eager to play. I'm over the Clintons - ready to move on.

What's that old song Bill always played at rallies - the Fleetwood Mac thing.

Let's change it to:

STOP THINKING ABOUT YESTERDAY.

Move ON.

[Raffi Ella]

85. That's another myth,

that Obama is responsible for the numbers this year.

People came out in record numbers for the Mid terms last year! No Obama needed; People HATE Repukes now, want them out! WE WOULD'VE WON EASILY had Obama not come in and "UNITED" us.

I see the enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton because I seek the information out! You HAVE to seek it out though because the MSM DOES NOT report on it!

Hillary Clinton is EVERY thing I want in a Democratic President and MORE.YOU are just parroting right wing smears and propaganda about her just as Obama is! So much for unity and hope! :eyes:

The Democratic Party look like fools now. Never in a million years would I EVER vote for a RePUKE but omg am I disillusioned with this Party.

[cascadiance]

91. Glad to see you love Rupert Murdoch being her pal and in control as she does!

[jettison]

100. Parroting

<Hillary Clinton is EVERY thing I want in a Democratic President and MORE.YOU are just parroting right wing smears and propaganda about her just as Obama is! So much for unity and hope!>

He is "parroting" right wingers and yet 28% of Hillary voters are content to vote for McCain rather then their own party? 1/3rd of Hillary supporters ARE right wingers.

[NedSchneebly]

102. Preach it sista! like who R they gonna vote for ... a REPUG?

[cascadiance]

131. You must love trying to give us Hobson's choices!

[NedSchneebly]

162. I don't know who Hobson is ...

nor do I speak in riddles :shrug:

[cascadiance]

198. It's not a riddle. It's a common phrase used to describe "no choice"...

Look it up... Google's a finger tip away.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/183300.html

[IowaGirl]

111. Obama is the most polarizing candidate I have ever seen in my 56 years. He is the slickest operator

I've ever seen as well. Having people working the internet to the extent that he does has been touted as one of the great new strategies he has brought to this election. Unfortunately, with blogs and forums, most people are anonymous which enables them to say much more inflammatory remarks that are extremely divisive. This is getting dems much angrier at each other than ever before. It is a really sad situation.

[cascadiance]

129. Hmm.... I think many would say it is SHE rather than HE that is the polarizing candidate...

Most other Democratic candidates have respect for who the voter says they want and what the vote totals say. Those that don't in my book are the "slickest operators".

[marions ghost]

145. it's about time

people got involved in politics. With the internet, we have a voice for a change.

Anger's not always a bad thing. It means people care.

[Kahuna]

270. Obama has run a dignified campaign and has shown himself to be presidential.

This is an election for POTUS, not for a soap opera diva. If it was for the latter, Hillary wins hands down. I'm sick of her drama. I'm sure many others are sick of it too.

The charge that Obama makes about Hillary is that she will say anything to win. Her Bosnia LIE has proved his point. Remember this!

[TomBall Democrat]

130. Disinformation will not work

I was there.

I saw it with my own eyes.

Weak try, no sale.

[anamandujano]

251. Disinformation does work and comes at you every day of the week

through your TV. You are running on it now. You are talking it now.

[GoneOffShore]

81. This voter chose his own candidates

John Edwards and now Barack Obama.

Totally uninterested in the Triangulation Twins getting back into the White House.

IF, and it's a BIG IF, Hillsnbill gets the nomination, I'll pull the lever for her. But I won't be voting for her on 22 April here in Philadelphia and neither will a lot of other people.

[jettison]

99. With every post, you throw out your shrill expletives

<oh christ. SUCH bullshit!!!>

I see the Clinton avatar, I see the crass manner in which you debate, and I can't help but imagine Hillary herself tossing a fit and yelling down to all of us as if she's above it all and has it all figured out, but we're all clueless.

It's attitudes like this that have alienated all of those people that have jumped off the sinking Clinton ship over the last many months. Crass arrogance. You can picture Hillary employing your words, but you can't picture Obama doing the same thing. He'd remain polite, in control, and reasonable. That's the public image because that's what we see time and time again.

[gateley]

121. "I don't wanna hear this shit about Hillary tearing the Party apart. "

Kennedy, Dodd and Richardson, in their support of Obama, have all expressed concerns about the results of this divisive campaign affecting the unity of the party. If they felt Obama was the architect, they'd have gone for Hillary.

[AntiFascist]

148. Hillary has practically no chance of winning the GE...

the only reason she has so much support now is due to the faux support provided by Republicans who don't want to see Obama win. The MSM, by the way, is not pointing out this inconvenient fact.

[leftcoastie]

203. Hillary would be DONE if

not for the Republicans crossing over to wreak havoc on the primaries. THEY WANT a weaker candidate to run against. Why do you not get that? She is toast. If she destroys the party for her own selfish reasons, then she is no better than Karl Rove. She will be dead to me and millions who will suffer for at least four years because she felt an entitlement to the nomination. Damn it!

[indimuse]

82. MORE

Obamessiah propaganda! puke!!!!!


Obama on PL...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdXfyG5kndc&feature=related



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x110950

[Mme. Defarge]

87. Make it so! n/t

[wowimthere]

89. I understand why SDs don't endorse too quickly...but I wish some would.

SDs support the will of the people. Still, given what some of these candidates say they believe in, I think John Edwards should have come forward before Richardson.

There is such a thing as fighting and then there is tearing everything apart that stands between you and the nomination. Clinton is destructive to everyone and everything. But lets be fair. It is Clinton's surrogates who have climbed on and made this trip even more deplorable. I have lost a lot of respect for the likes of Sistak and Evan Bayh and Rendell who are actually lying on her behalf.

Okay, she tells a bald faced lie and then her surrogates reiterate the lie. And this is called misspeaking? Then you realize she lied about NAFTA. Wow. Simply unbelievable. I hope Pennsylvania sends her a clear message and votes overwhelmingly for Obama. That would signal that this country wants "Change" right now.

GOBAMA!

[wowimthere]

90. K&R

GOBAMA!

[stillrockin]

93. please, dear god, make it so

[NedSchneebly]

98. Whatever happened to DEMOCRACY?

Let's let the people decide. This is tantamount to Obama stealing the nomimation.

[grantcart]

103. Your kidding right? You do know that even Clinton has conceeded that she cannot

win the pledged delegates - the ones that are democratically elected.

[NedSchneebly]

163. No, I was not aware that Obama was over the top yet

[gateley]

125. In theory, I wholeheartedly support

a candidate's right to take it to the convention - especially in a close race. But this campaign has been so negative and emotional, it's splitting the party. Here's what Howard Dean said:

"That's the only thing that could make John McCain president ... if the Democrats get divided," Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said Wednesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/26/dems.switch.poll/

If the Powers That Be in the Dem party didn't feel as though Clinton's campaign tactics were damaging the party, they wouldn't have cited those concerns when they endorsed Obama.

[Ian_rd]

126. You should tell that to Hillary. She doesn't want "the people" to decide.

She wants to steal the nom from the will of the voters. She's made it clear. And yet you continue to support her. So, I ask you: Whatever happened to DEMOCRACY?

[NedSchneebly]

166. Is she mathematically out of it yet? or ... could she still run the table?

[gateley]

104. What, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry are chopped liver?

Those are some pretty hefty endorsements of Obama as well.

With all these big shots supporting Obama and voicing strong displeasure at the tactics the HRC campaign is employing, what will her future be like in the Dem party should she not get the nomination? I don't think she's seeing the forest for the trees...

[sallyseven]

184. It will be fine,.

Mass went for Hillary but Kennedy and Kerry went for Obama. So folks what is is going to be? Vote the peoples choice or vote for your petty disagreements. Your screaming all the time about the will of the people. Get off it. Most of the congress people like, McGovern and Barney Frank are for Hillary from Mass.

[mdmc]

106. Lets hear from JIMMY CARTER!

And Edwards!

[Deep13]

112. Jesus, and you guys are bitching about super delegates undermining democracy.

Jesus Christ!

[zonmoy]

120. aren't you assuming that this conflict going on as long as possible

isn't exactly what party leaders want.

[99th_Monkey]

169. Huh?

I'm not sure I get your meaning ... are you saying you think party leaders actually WANT this
Obama-bashing to continue to divide the party? or what?

[ooglymoogly]

122. boy I truly hope so and the sooner the better..

The Clinton's are the establishment and if they can't bulldoze their way back into office then thy want another establishment candidate to win so as not to upset the apple cart and that means McCain.

[Ian_rd]

124. And how would they "stop" her? By asking nicely?

I don't get it. How would they force Hillary to stop? She would have nothing to lose by ignoring the party and continuing her campaign. She could easily finance future Senate races without party support, and in likelihood she would simply coerce them back to her after the election anyway.

This is really Hillary's only chance to be president, with a slim chance at 2012. But both 2008 and 2012 for her are the same: BARACK MUST LOSE this time around, either to her or McCain - no matter what. The only reason she would quit is by feeling that it is the right thing to do for the party and the country. What are the chances of that?

[99th_Monkey]

153. We'll never know until it's tried: who knows? maybe Hillary will cave-in, maybe not ....

but it must be tried as it's our best chance of winning in Nov.

[YDogg]

210. well said.

[here_is_to_hope]

127. We have party leaders? Who knew? n/t

[IowaGirl]

128. Gee, look at how many guys it takes to "take out" one little ol' girl! It must be very emasculating

to see a gal get so close to the goal that they were unable to achieve themselves (excluding JC). :rofl:

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

172. why the sexism? couldn't Obama supporters actually think he's the better candidate?

[Quantess]

215. I'm a white woman, and I'm voting for Obama. Just to let you know.

I'll be voting for Obama in the Oregon primary.
:bounce:

[SOS]

133. Party leaders keeping their swords sheathed

during the battle at Heraclea in the Pyrrhic War.
The result will be the same.

[Hamlette]

134. does this guy have any inside information or is it his opinion?

anyone know?

[99th_Monkey]

156. It's an op-ed piece, so it's mostly opinion, w/ a little wishful thinking and perhaps some "insider"

contacts to boot.

It sure got my attention though, as I was already convinced that this needs to happen, and happen soon,
or McSame is going to have a cake-walk in Nov. Maybe that's what Hillary wants, for her own selfish
reasons; but I hope to God that's not true..

[elocs]

143. How soon is soon? When will the leaders say, "Enough is enough"?

Certainly. let's everybody have a vote even if it means sacrificing the general election in November. Obama and Clinton are like people trying out for the quarterback position on the same team. Any decent player will not try and break the leg of the one they are trying to beat out in order to gain the position. Any team will not allow their quarterbacks to get so beat up in the competition to win the starting job that they are no good in the regular season (general election) they are so beat up that they cannot win a game. Not a perfect analogy, but close because it illustrates the principle involved.

Clinton's scorched earth policy, do anything, say anything, accuse anything campaign to get the nomination will fracture the Democratic Party and lose the election in November. But it's worth it for Clinton to get the nomination, right? It's worth it to give Clinton the nomination, right? Because it is highly likely that she will not get the majority of the popular vote and can only win the nomination by somehow getting 2/3 of the remaining superdelegates to vote for her.

If it is perceived that Clinton's actions now cause the Democrats to lose the general election her reputation in the party will be destroyed. She may remain a senator from NY, but she will never have a leadership role within the party.

[99th_Monkey]

160. I totally agree. Well said. This is precisely "the message" Hillary needs to get

from the Party's big-wigs, to cut her losses now, because it's NOT going to get any better for her down the road if
she insists on playing out her scorched-earth debacle.

[sallyseven]

188. McLame is old, sick and has dementia.

[Kahuna]

271. Right. That is why Obama will win.

:)

[LynneSin]

144. I've stayed neutral for all of this but I'm starting to get annoyed with Hillary

She really is doing the job for John McCain with finding every single bit of dirt to throw out against Obama and it's starting to nauseate me. Hillary has become this rabid animal trapped in the corner by folks pointing the gun at her and it seems that Hillary is going to take as many people out before her campaign goes down the tubes. What's worse is she took a man that I had a great deal of respect and admiration for (Bill Clinton) and she's destroy that warm-fuzzy for me too.

Many of the big states that Hillary won in the primary are states that will vote democrat 110% including California, New York, New Jersey, most of New England and even my home state of Delaware. Obama has been winning impressively in the traditional republican states and that leads me to believe that perhaps Obama might be able to pick up 1-3 of those states which could make the difference in November.

So for you Hillary supporters - go ahead, slam me. Tell me I'm some Zombie Kool-aid drinking Obama supporter when folks who know me really well know that I was a Biden supporter, voted for Biden and went neutral after my election was overwith on Super Tuesday.

I'm just not ready to hand this election over to John '100+ years in Iraq' McCain. Because I truly believe this is make or break for our supreme court and I truly believe that both Obama and Clinton will do their darndest to keep our supreme court fair & balanced.

[Stephanie]

165. It speaks to character. Her willingness to roll in the mud does not become her.

And it doesn't bode well for her presidency. All along her bad Senate decisions have been explained away as compromises on her way to the White House. There's been the implicit promise that once she got there she'd become a progressive Democrat. But from the looks of things she'd run a Karl Rove White House, and we've had quite enough of that, thank you.

[FirstLight]

195. Hear - hear!

You just nailed it! I am an Edwards supporter, and missed my chance to make my vote count in CA. I have been sitting the fence for a while now, and really didn't WANT to like Obama, because there was something "too good to be true" about him (I think that's my personal issues talking)

But the hillary stuff of the past month or so has turned my stomach, and what respect and admiration I had for Bill went out the window too...

I want the division to end, I want to hear John Edwards and Al Gore weigh in, and I don;t think they will have anything good to say about Hillary in the end.

[Megahurtz]

173. God I hope so.

I am so sick of the Clintons I want them to just go away.

[Chalco]

174. Another biased remark from a biased blog. nt

[LynneSin]

189. I've always tried to stay non-biased and even I'm getting a bit tired of her act

After Joe Biden dropped out I didn't care who won the nomination (ok I flirted with Edwards for a few weeks). I would have been happy to support Clinton or Obama

But right now, I'm just getting tired of her negativity and I think only she is being affected by it.

[madrchsod]

199. did his wife know?

:rofl:


:hi:

[Megahurtz]

206. LOL.

[wryter2000]

177. Let's hope

I've been hearing that Harry Reid and Howard Dean have been conferring on how to stop this train wreck of a campaign. It has to stop! If the two of them want to spend their time blasting McCain, I say let's keep both of them at it. But what we have now can't continue.

[DontTreadOnMe]

180. Stop the Hillary Train Wreck

Best news I have heard in months... Hillary was very close to destroying the Democratic Party.
All the Hillary supporters need to re-evaluate why they are here.

[wryter2000]

185. Although I do agree with you...

I want it on record that I just called it a train wreck. Okay, I'm :scared: of the Clintonsistas.

[knixphan]

179. I predicted this -

And it's the only way to go. Get behind the big O.

"Call the Vipers in, commence jump countdown."

[greyghost]

193. BSG RULES!

The best show on TV!

[NC_Nurse]

231. So you're not voting Roslyn?

I saw a guy last week with a Roslyn '08 T-shirt on. Below that it said "So say we all"

The episodes start back a week from this Friday!!!! Yay! :bounce:

[Megahurtz]

181. OMG

the Clinton supporters just say the stupidest things LOL!

I'm sorry I just can't take it!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

182. Start by erasing her 40ish SD advantage.

Put this on a level playing field.

Suddenly, not so close anymore.

[Eurobabe]

187. Yee-haw!! K+R

[trickyguy]

192. Would love this kind of domino theory from the big guns.

Please let it start happening soon.:party:

[PATRICK]

197. Sen. Cantwell

was an extremely significant statement on the mind of the super delegates, many if not most of them, of a public rebuke against the notion they will go against the delegate and state total leader.

Immediately after all this came the really crude attack on Wright again. Apparently this is not going to go down easy.

[knixphan]

200. a dying leopard is the most dangerous animal.

let us be cautious when putting it down.

[cerebellum]

201. I hope in 2012 somebody wins right away

To avoid all this drama and in-fighting. It was so much easier in 2004 when Kerry clinched immediately.

[Lisa Seagren]

204. New Hillary Campaign Song!

This totally fits.
http://www.mybluecollar.com/videos/be183521fd

[Politicalboi]

252. I like it

It fits her to a tee. So many lies and so unelectable.

[Fahan]

205. If Obama wins

If Clinton loses, I believe Karl Rove the winner. Food for thought:-

Why is the media soft on Obama?

Because cooperate america (media included) want Obama to win the nomination. He is a pawn for them to squash...he won't even see it coming.
Why else did Karl Rove give advice to Obama on how to win against Clinton

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/dee0a6e8-a109-11dc-...

Karl Rove knew from the beginning if he could keep the democrats at bay ...spend all their money and hopefully split the party base... BINGO

Rove did get lucky when moveon,org backed Obama over Hillary after the Iowa caucus. Money and supporters moved in.

Obviously he knew about Obamas church... the crazy evangelicals now call Obama the Anti Christ.

McCain doesn't even need to worry about "his base" any more...just keep whispering Jeremiah and they are Roves and faux news to manipulate.

Now McCain can choose a moderate as his running mate. Someone like lieberman to pull the independents over. They will think him wise for not taking on a Huckabee look alike and believe him to be a moderator.

Why is Rezco or John O Conner, not in the media yet .....simple They don't need to play that card yet.

Rove (and media) knows that Hillary is starting to gain momentum.
Back off time. That can come later.

Clever wouldn't you say. The master of manipulation is not only tricking the evangelicals.

I worry that if the neocons get in this time.....they speed at which the constitution is eroding it might be the last time we have a democratic election.

[bagimin]

228. What the hell are you smokin..

Big business loves Hillary (see cover stories of business magazines).
Hillary's negatives continue to soar ..see NBC Wall St. Journal poll.

[Politicalboi]

254. Hillary is starting to gain momentum.

How about "Sniper Fire" That's the way to gain momentum. Not to mention NAFTA, Ireland, and of course her TAX RECORDS yet to be seen. I guess you must have been sleeping throught the Rev Wright bullshit to say the media has been soft on Obama. Hillary was on Faux Noise telling her sad tale of FL and MI delegates. And how is the "Sniper Fire" going to go over in their next debate? Can't wait for that.

[Shae]

256. So much BS; so little time.

:eyes:

[vinylsolution]

209. Just a little reminder....

[Scurrilous]

211. K & R

:thumbsup:

[amandabeech]

216. Nothing will stop either of the candidates except $$$$$$$.

And soon, the only money either camp will need is paying for the phones and air plane tickets.

No one who has publically committed to Obama will have any weight with the Clintons, and vice versa.

Gore, Carter, Edwards. Neither camp will listen to them, because each camp is only listening to itself.

Frankly, I'm frightened that the party will enter September in complete disarray with a candidate who won't be ready to take on the economy, stupid.

I don't want a '68 or a '72, but I don't see any one or any group able to prevent either scenario.

The party is in chaos, the country is about to go into chaos, the world is already in chaos, and I don't think that any person, let alone either candidate, is really ready to deal with this.

We need a combo Washington, Lincoln, FDR, JFK, and yes, LBJ (to keep the party from blowing up).

Such a person doesn't exist. In any party.

I'm scared shitless.

[Divine Discontent]

255. I am too, but, still... it'll be okay in the long run.

you do the best with what you can do in your life, and I'll do it in mine. Your post is very forewarning, and frightening sounding, and I don't disagree with most of it, but what I say maybe not on is - we do have some great leaders who have to step up when the things go so out of control (like I feel they will, also), and we'll get through this together. The me-me-me crowd will be begging the true leaders for help when everything falls apart. I am so glad we do have great people like Gore, Edwards, Obama, Carter, Clark, and to some extent the new VA senator, and some other senators who are great. Bill could still be useful to keeping things together after this is over.

[laylah]

225. I am an Obama supporter; however,

I don't feel Party Leaders or anyone else but WE THE PEOPLE, should interfere with anything regarding an election! Flame away, if you are small minded enough to need to do so. This election is about US, DAMNIT!, not anyone else!

[99th_Monkey]

259. When does your state vote?

[TheDeathadder]

227. Well tell the party leaders to bring it

It's the party leaders that have been losing to Repubs for years not The Clintons.

Maybe it's time this broken and divided party was finally torn in two to leave one strong and united party with a clear direction. If the party leaders bring it The Clintons will be more than happy to face them. It's clear the Democrats are going to win the GE, but first maybe it's time we have a full blown democratic civil war and solve this problem that's been going on for decades once and for all.

Oh no the Democratic Party Leaders are coming, well half of the party is more than ready to face them, because for half of the democratic party The Clintons are the party leaders.

We've grown tired of the rhetoric and the talk talk talk talk.

[99th_Monkey]

260. My my. as in "bring it on"? please.

show me the delegates and the odds, and then I (and Obama) will show you (and Hillary) the door.

"maybe it's time for the Party to be divided" ???? Thanks for admitting that's what you all are up to.

ya, right. Like it's time for "100 more years in Iraq", or like it's time for several more racist/fascist Supreme Court Justices.

[TheDeathadder]

273. I can't wait for the day Clinton and I

get to meet you and Obama

[99th_Monkey]

274. ya. for a group hug.

I can't wait either.

:grouphug:

[TheDeathadder]

275. Love

[TriplePlay]

237. Superdelegates should step in when a candidate is hurting the party...

This is where Hillary's campaign is at now - it's a kamikaze attack on Obama, spinning out of control.
And and this is exactly the situation where the superdelegates should step in.

[99th_Monkey]

261. Thank you. I think this is the time for the parties real "leaders" to act now like leaders

and make timely -- and increasingly clear -- statements to the effect that only duly elected & legitimate primary
and caucus delegates will be seated and will decide the outcome, period.

End of story.

[MCMetal]

240. I'm not here to bad-mouth Hillary

But , regardless of whether she views herself as "deserving" or not , she simply is not. Her votes in favor of the Iraq resolution and Kyl-Lieberman reveal that , moreso than any amount of speech-making followed by excuse-making ever will...........If she and McSenile are so "experienced" as she so readily claims , how come she at one time claimed the "Surge" was working ; and we all know McStupid still claims that , even with overwhelming evidence that refutes that bullshit assessment.

[Why Syzygy]

248. If this is true, it would mean that the Democrats actually HAVE Leaders. nt

[Divine Discontent]

253. 'Chris Dodd was the first and Bill Richardson was the second. They will soon be followed by John E"

I just said yesterday this would be a great strategy, I am THRILLED it is being talked about. It WILL end the Clinton Campaign embarrassment.


To salvage ANY respect I have for Bill & Hillary, they must come out together, as former President, and Senator, and have her say, "Barack took all we could direct his way and he did it with such maturity, and courage, that I cannot think of anyone in this country who is more apt to succeed Bill as the next great Democratic President"


ARE

YOU

LISTENING

CLINTONS!?!


This news rocks!

[VotesForWomen]

258. seems like O-nuts are pulling a tonya harding on the dem party; by the time they get done, half of

it will be so disgusted they will sit out the GE or vote for somebody else.

[Kahuna]

272. When McCain seats justices that revoke a woman's right to choose..

you can thank yourselves. And mothers, when McCain drafts your sons to attack yet another country that hasn't done anything to us you can than yourselves. As much as I don't like Hillary because of the campaign she has run I vote for her to save our daughters and sons from the republicans.