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kleebo151 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:36 PM
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Obama's military adviser: "New York and Miami Jews are to blame for middle east conflict"
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 02:36 PM by kleebo151
Obama's military adviser is a scandal waiting to happen.
Fireworks started in the right-wing blogosphere, where interviews were unearth showing him blaming Jews for our problems:

The Oregonian interviewer asked McPeak whether the problem in solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict originated with the White House or the State Department.

"So where's the problem?" the interviewer asked.

McPeak replied, "New York City. Miami. We have a large vote vote, here in favor of Israel. And no politician wants to run against it."


If McPeak is not fired now, he will become the secular version of Jeremiah Wright.

McPeak was already criticized in February by the Obama campaign itself for saying "Obama "doesn't go on television and have crying fits", in reference to Clinton's emotional moments.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-iraqpol2feb0...
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:37 PM
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1. This happened in Feb.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:38 PM
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4. Which means it doesn't count?
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kleebo151 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:38 PM
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5. Wright's comments happened in 2006.
What is exactly your point?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:58 PM
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43. You're being HOODWINKED! Nothing in op is in article op linked! FLAMEBAIT!
and THREAD should be locked!


McCain surge puts Iraq war at fore
The likelihood that the war hero will be the GOP nominee creates a battle between Democrats over who can best challenge him.
By Peter Wallsten
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

February 2, 2008

WASHINGTON The growing likelihood that Sen. John McCain will win the Republican presidential nomination has sparked renewed debate between the Democratic front-runners over the Iraq war -- and over who possesses the strongest credentials to challenge a war hero for the duties of commander in chief.

The issue provoked one of the sharpest moments in Thursday's Democratic debate in Los Angeles, as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York argued that the party's eventual nominee would need sufficient "gravitas" to persuade American voters that he or she can be a strong leader while arguing for a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

The jousting continued Friday when a top military advisor to Clinton's rival, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, ridiculed Clinton's implication that she would offer voters the better credentials.

The advisor, retired Gen. Merrill A. "Tony" McPeak, said in a telephone interview that Obama has "real gravitas, not artificially created, focus-grouped, poll-directed, rehearsed gravitas."

He also said Obama "doesn't go on television and have crying fits; he isn't discovering his voice at the age of 60" -- references to Clinton's much-publicized show of emotion during the New Hampshire primary campaign and her speech after winning the contest in which she declared that she had "found my voice."

McPeak later retracted his remarks, and the Obama camp disassociated itself from them.

McPeak, who served as Air Force chief of staff under the first President Bush and President Clinton, charged in his initial comments that Clinton's remark about gravitas was "the kind of lie that has one element of truth."

"Yes, gravitas is important, but a lot of the rest is obfuscation," he said. "It's almost like if you say that you have gravitas, you had it from being Bill Clinton's wife for eight years and Barack Obama had never earned it from his life experience."

An Obama campaign aide was on the line during the interview. Minutes later, McPeak called back to say he regretted his remarks and that he has "high regard" for Hillary Clinton.

He also expressed concern that "some of those loose-lips-will-sink-ships quotes will be the big story."

In an email, the Obama campaign said McPeak's words "crossed the line" and that Obama "strongly disagrees with these comments and apologizes on behalf of the campaign."

A Clinton spokesman, Phil Singer, called it "unfortunate" that McPeak's retraction "was motivated out of concern about the political impact of his words as opposed to the fact that they were simply offensive."

The battle over who best could press the Democratic case on foreign policy is one of the key ways that Obama and Clinton are trying to distinguish themselves as they campaign for convention delegates in Tuesday's voting in California and more than 20 other states.

Both Clinton and Obama have criticized McCain for his past comments that the United States likely would have to maintain a military presence in Iraq for many years. At Thursday's debate, both offered assurances that they would start troop withdrawals within the first months of their presidencies.

McCain, a vocal supporter of President Bush's so-called surge strategy in Iraq, has charged that the Democrats have been pushing a "false argument" in focusing so much attention on removing troops from Iraq.

Noting that the United States has maintained a lengthy military presence in South Korea, he said during a GOP presidential candidate debate Wednesday near Simi Valley that "we are going to be for some period of time, but it's American casualties, not American presence" that should be the main concern.

Polls throughout the campaign have shown that Democratic-leaning voters see Clinton as better prepared than Obama to be commander in chief. The survey respondents, even if they disagree with her war vote, also rate her as best equipped to end the war.

But exit polls of voters in states that already have held primaries or caucuses have found that Obama, who was an Illinois state senator in 2002 when he delivered a speech opposing the war, has made up some of that ground. In New Hampshire, Democratic primary voters were split over who they believed was the "strongest leader."

On Iraq, surveys continue to show strong public opposition to the war -- setting up what many Democrats believe is a winning campaign issue.

But, again based on the polls, McCain, a decorated naval aviator who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, appears to pose a challenge for the Democrats: The senator from Arizona scores high marks with voters for candor and his decision to back the troop surge, even when it was unpopular.

If security in Iraq continues to improve over what it once was and the Pentagon moves forward with its planned drawdown of troops, public discontent with the war could recede, strengthening McCain's appeal.

During Thursday's Democratic debate, Clinton said the party's nominee must strike the right balance in calling for troop withdrawals while appearing qualified to be commander in chief.

That qualification is a "threshold in the mind of every American voter," she said.

Obama, while campaigning Friday, pressed his case that Clinton, because of her vote on the war authorization measure, would not strike a strong contrast with McCain.

"If we go suggesting was just not managed well by George Bush, then Sen. McCain will be able to come back and argue, that" the United States is "now getting it right," Obama said. He added that such an assertion is "easier for me to dispute" than Clinton.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-iraqpol2feb0...

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:00 PM
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46. Is this the work of......?
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:12 PM
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51. Thanks Frenchie
You are right on top of every post, trying to rebut the smears and lies with facts, even though many times they appear to fall on deaf ears and closed minds. You are amazing!

:hi:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:37 PM
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2. A fine soldier.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:37 PM
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3. Hi Freeper!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:39 PM
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6. I always chuckle when a flyboy attempts manliness.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:40 PM
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7. Hey Freeper, learn the posting rules before coming here with lies.
1. that is not a direct quote.
2. you have to use the title of the article in the subject if you are referencing an article.

Mods alerted
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:41 PM
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10. point two is just for LBN
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:41 PM
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8. No link for this assertion?
Interesting.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:41 PM
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9. Link to the actual comments.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:41 PM
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11. More race baiting from the Clinton campaign.
Cool.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:41 PM
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12. A swing and ANOTHER miss of the kneecap!
Keep trying Tanya.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:41 PM
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13. No, they're not
they are responsible for my father in law, cutting diamonds, and having a great dry cleaning establishment in the Bronx. :)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:42 PM
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14. Got links? And why should he be fired again? You wouldn't be b.s.ing us
now, wouldya? :eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:42 PM
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:42 PM
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16. Sombody call Aragorn!
The trolls are taking over!! Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope!!
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:48 PM
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31. They have a cave troll. n/t
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:43 PM
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17. RW tactic for GE is to cause a "Jewish flight" from dems.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:45 PM
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25. Yep--I'm kicking this crap because they are indeed planning to
paint Obama and his campaign as anti-Semites. Saw it on Freeperville for months, and we should be aware of it. If Hillary tries to make something out of it, we can remind her of Clark's "New York Money People" comment, BTW.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:06 PM
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50. Unfortunately for their strategy, our campaign is aware of it
Obama has taken care to meet with Jewish community leaders nationwide to assure them of his true intentions and support of Israel. For like the past six months, minimum.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:43 PM
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18. How telling it is about your character that your link does not have your quotes.
Typical rightwing (cf. Ann Coulter) assholery - quote something, and, if you do bother to footnote it, just create a footnote out of your ass hoping no on actually follows up on it.

Well, I did follow up, and you are busted.



That said, if McPeak DID say part of the problem is Miami and New York City, he's right - it's also partly the problem of the Christian Zionists and the Christian Triumphalists, who have a false belief that the eschaton won't happen unless Israel is a country.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:46 PM
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26. Rabrrrrrr, two syllable words or less!
:spank:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:56 PM
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41. As a Christian Zionist, may I just note that Israel already IS a country --
and I don't want to see it destroyed to satisfy anyone's lust for Armageddon.

Then again, as a left libertarian I prefer a NO-state solution
to the Mid-East problem... perhaps if the old city of Jerusalem
were an independent zone that neither party could claim :shrug:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:43 PM
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19. LINK or SLINK. NT
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:43 PM
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20. You put your own spin in quotes in your
headline. He didn't say they are "to blame." You may not like what he said, but when you don't get the quote correct you damage your credibility.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:44 PM
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:44 PM
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22. Obama needs to get out there and disavow this
I saw it earlier and I am really concerned. This is going to hurt him with the Jewish community if he does not do something about it. He needs to take proactive action before it blows up in the media.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:45 PM
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24. Looks to me like McPeak is simply telling an inconvenient truth
A similar thing holds true in Miami with respect to policy on Cuba.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:46 PM
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28. Sorry, but that's pretty offensive
You realize that when he says "New York", "Miami", he means Jews? This is an anti-semitic comment and I am sure that Obama does not share his viewpoint but he needs to get out there and say so before it becomes a shitstorm.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:47 PM
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29. It could also mean zionist christians or neoconservative atheists.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:00 PM
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47. I don't give a shit whether you're "offended"
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 03:00 PM by depakid
or whether you try to play PC with the anti-semitism card.

FACT is that irrational and unconditional support for Israel is a roadblock to addressing many Middle East issues and enables and legitimizes appalling human rights violations, along with ill considered wars.

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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:46 PM
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27. Good thing he does not advise on Policy
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:47 PM
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30. Here lies a disruptor
He disrupted poorly
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:48 PM
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32. As a Jew from Fort Lauderdale, stop begging for my vote.
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 02:51 PM by 40ozDonkey
You're devaluing my country and Israel into a talking point to suit your own needs. It's fucking sad. All the elderly Hillary supporters in my family have cursed Mark Penn's name and have moved into the Acceptance part of their grief.

You should too.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:58 PM
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44. nice post, thank you for that.. as an Irish Catholic I could not say it
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:48 PM
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33. None of that garbage is in your link
Do you have another link? Or is it perhaps made up?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:52 PM
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38. these statements were widely reported
several sources (right and left wing) have posted them. It's really old news. I don't think the general speaks for Obama on this, though. I KNOW he doesn't.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:59 PM
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Then link to one - this is out of context
and guilt by association. By the way, the Jewish community is not that dumb. Here's what's been put out within the NJ Jewish community.

http://njdc.typepad.com/stopthesmears /
http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/013108/njObamaUseY...
http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/022808/edcolCandid...
http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/021408/edcolPlease...

I'm sure there's more, but that's what I can find in my own local paper and from an email sent from a FLorida relative,
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:02 PM
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49. google the phrase. I don't think they're worth linking to. This is just stirring up old shit
and, like I say, Obama doesn't believe this, and I think he said so.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:48 PM
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34. Wow.
Another expression of great concern by a low-count newbie. You have no credibility to even bring this up. Dismiss.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:49 PM
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:50 PM
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36. Alerted
Hi, Mario! :hi:
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:52 PM
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37. Nice Spin.
:eyes:

Ever heard of the A.I.P.A.C.? They do a lot of lobbying in Washington D.C. I'm sure that's what he's talking about.
You are a fucking lying troublemaker. I guess that's why you are here.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:54 PM
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39. Freepers are multiplying like cockroaches today. nt
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:16 PM
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52. Yep. And I'd bet dollars to donuts that this one's a returnee from the land of tombstoned, to boot.
n/t.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:56 PM
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40. He sure knows how to pick a team!
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 02:56 PM by susankh4
Geesh! What next? :popcorn:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:57 PM
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42. Wes Clark. Ask him about the NY "Money people". I wouldn't go there, if I were you.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:01 PM
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48. Would you ask a Policy adviser for Military advice? Would you ask a Military adviser for Policy ..
advice?





Good, make sure you don't
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shomino Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:59 PM
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45. MISQUOTE!
Putting quotes around a phrase that was NOT said is deceitful and dishonest!

It is a straight up LIE!

He never said "Jews are to blame". He inferred that there is a large amount of Jewish support for Israel. How is this incorrect, least of all blaming the ethnic group for the middle east conflict?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:16 PM
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53. I'm locking this
Flamebait
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