New Gallup poll shows 28% of Hillary supports would vote for McCain if it's Obama. Why?

[Hamlette]

I'd like a reasoned response from those of you who would rather McCain than Obama.

If you just want to say "he lied" or something else which is not informative, pass this thread on by.

[babylonsister]

1. I think it's just frustration that their gal isn't doing well combined with

the endless, relentless primary.

[billbuckhead]

11. The swiftboating of the Clinton's on race was reprehensible

Then throwing grandma under the bus to excuse twenty years of asskissing an influential but bigoted preacherman. The sexism and ageism of Hillary's opponent's cultlike movement while endlessly playing the race card. It looks like whites will rally around a white candidate, will it be ours or theirs?

[Alexander]

23. There you go with the race-baiting again.

I didn't realize that our party was called the Democratic Party of White People.

:puke:

[billbuckhead]

37. No it's called the party that only has been able to elect Clinton for president

No it's called the party of bad judgement on picking and electing presidential candidates.

[catgirl]

59. He's not with our party. (nt)

[Alter Ego]

52. "Ageism"?

Meanwhile we have people here telling the young ones among us (myself included) to "leave politics to their elders".

And as for race-baiting, I think your last sentence says it all.

[maximusveritas]

32. Yep, that's why it's increased as Hillary's been doing worse

When Obama was doing bad prior to SC, this kind of frustration was very prevalent among Obama supporters.

[yourout]

2. My guess is 28% of Hillary supports will vote for McCain no matter what.

They are not Hillary supporters.......they are Republican plants.

[CountAllVotes]

4. ding ding ding ding

you got it right!!

:kick:

[Nitrogenica]

9. Nailed it.

[backscatter712]

17. Rush Limbaugh's dittoheads at work.

I don't really trust the polls, and won't trust them until Hillary's campaign finally gets a wooden stake through its heart.

[mod mom]

21. Yep-Republican Cross-Over voters

▪ What might have actually happened in Ohio and Texas? Tin foil hat?
▪ Clip:
: "Rush, I understand that the Rush Limbaugh audience is mobilizing in Texas for Hillary. Am I hearing that right?"

: "I don't know if the audience is mobilizing or not. I am urging people — I am using a phrase — the Republicans — our nominee is chosen. It's John McCain.

Texas is open. And I want Hillary to stay in this, Laura. This is too good a soap opera. We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically, and it's obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it and don't have the stomach for it.

As you probably know, we're getting all kinds of memos from the RNC saying not to be critical there. Mark MacKinnon of McCain's campaign says he'll quit if they get critical over Obama.

This is the presidency of the United States you're talking about. I want our party to win. I want the Democrats to lose. They're in the midst of tearing themselves apart right now. It is fascinating to watch, and it's all going to stop if Hillary loses.

So yes, I'm asking to cross over and, if they can stomach it — I know it's a difficult thing to do to vote for a Clinton — but it will sustain this soap opera, and it's something I think we need. It would be fun, too."

http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=609&Itemid=113



Can GOP Voters Spoil the Dem Race?

Wednesday, Mar. 19, 2008By HILARY HYLTON/AUSTIN

As if Democrats didn't have enough problems deciding upon their presidential nominee this year, now they must contend with the possibility that Republicans are deliberately crossing party lines to prolong the bitterly contested race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. In recent weeks, conservative talk radio stars Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham have urged loyal listeners to vote for the much-despised Clinton in open Democratic primaries so as to prevent Obama from sealing the nomination, and there are some indications that their calls have already been heeded in states like Texas and Mississippi.

Even in the crucial swing state of Pennsylvania, where the April 22 primary is closed to independents and Republicans, there are signs that some Republicans are going so far as to switch their party registration by the March 24 deadline to participate in what Limbaugh has dubbed "Operation Chaos." In the last five months, there has been a 2.2% increase in the number of registered Democrats in Pennsylvania versus a tiny dip of 0.12% in Republican numbers. Veteran Pennsylvania pollster Terry Madonna expects some 100,000 new Democrats to vote on April 22, about 5% of the total expected to vote. In historic Gettysburg, Adams County Elections Supervisor Monica Dutko told the local newspaper, The YorkDaily Record, she was a seeing an unprecedented steady stream of switchers, some of whom volunteered they were changing registration from Republican to Democrat at the urging of Limbaugh.

Madonna, however, believes most of those new Dems will go for Obama, which goes against the Limbaugh conspiracy theory. It is also exactly what the upstart candidate himself has been working toward. Obama, who until recently was winning the lion's share of Republican votes in open Democratic primaries, is running radio ads in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia calling on voters to register as Democrats this week.

The first clue that Republicans might be making this kind of mischief came in the crucial Texas primary on March 4, a contest that most observers claimed Clinton had to win — along with Ohio — to keep alive her hopes for the nomination. Dave Mann, a political writer for the progressive Texas Observer, was driving to Fort Worth on that primary day when he heard various callers to the Laura Ingraham radio show claiming they had followed her and Limbaugh's call. One even admitted he would now have to go to confession and repent his sins. As he listened, Mann dismissed the idea that Republicans would have a significant impact on the Democratic outcome in Texas.

-snip
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1723756,00.html

[book_worm]

3. Thanks for the third thread on this this morning, but what do you expect when Hillary

says she and McCain are ready to be president, but no Obama.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

5. It's possibly borne of anger over being in the losing position.

If the situation were reversed, it's likely that more Obama supporters, particularly really ardent ones, would be saying the same thing about Clinton.

I wouldn't make too much of it.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Because they are just like their Princess

Republicans.

[grasswire]

7. because Obama supporters have been so brutal?

Seriously. I don't plan to vote for McCain, but I don't think I can vote for Obama because of the way his supporters have acted throughout this primary. It reflects badly on Obama. And I have no wish to grant power to another cadre of thugs.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. So its nothing Obama did, its the way his supporters act?

:rofl:

[grasswire]

20. laugh if you wish

It ain't helping Obama.

[Cali_Democrat]

34. OK

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[vi5]

29. Clearly......

...and the way that Hillary and her supporters and her surrogates just all sat there innocent like with their pinkies touched to their cheeks just so blindsided by all the mean people and unable to muster up any brutality of their own. I mean their restraint in the face of the Obama onslaught of negativity and their refusal to bring up race or religion or drugs or anything out of the bounds of normal politics has just been so friggin' noble.

[Drachasor]

24. What about Mark Penn?

At least Obama doesn't pay his supporters.

Beyond that, what about Iraq, the economy, and the Supreme Court? Are hurt feelings worth more than lives?

[Alter Ego]

55. I could say the same thing about Hillary

because of the vile, acidic, absolutely distasteful way her supporters act--not just here, but as a whole. They are elitist snobs trying to pass themselves off as progressives, absolutely terrified of change and convinced that the Clintons are the only people who can win Presidential elections for the Democrats.

Even if someone posts a positive thread about Obama with no mention of Hillary at all, even if there are Obama supporters replying to a particularly nasty anti-Hillary thread with pleas to stop posting, her flying monkey representatives here see fit to swoop in and start screeching their talking points at the top of their lungs:

1. REZKO REZKO REZKO REZKO REZKO (ad nauseam)

2. OBAMA'S TOTALLY A RACIST CAUSE HE DIDN'T DISOWN A GUY HE'S CONSIDERED FAMILY FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS SAID SOME INCENDIARY THINGS AMIRITE GUYZ

3. OBAMA'S NOT A WHITE GUY SO HE CAN'T WIN

4. LOL CHANGE YOU GUYS ARE TOTALLY STUPID FOR BEING OPTIMISTIC

Yeah, there are some incendiary pro-Obama people here. I won't deny that.

But don't sit there and tell me that the Clinton supporters' hands are clean.


I'll still vote for Hillary Clinton if she's the nominee--but only because the alternative is even worse.

[otohara]

57. You Realize How Ridiculous

this sounds. I won't vote for Obama because of a bunch of people on a website?!?!?!?!

Recently I was a alternate delegate at the Denver convention and even though Obama won 64% of the vote, we all got along in the same building for an entire day.

To allow a handful of people you don't even know to influence you is just plain nutty!

Hillary supporters haven't been all that swell either, it goes both ways, because we see what we want.

[NJmaverick]

8. It goes to why they support Hillary and if they have our nation's

best interests at heart. It would appear 28% of Hillary's supporters clearly do not.

[jwirr]

10. Obviously we have forgotten who the real enemy is: *ss & co. nt

[billbuckhead]

19. The election has been reframed around whether the USA is ready for a black president

History will not be kind to the 2008 Democratic primary.

[goletian]

12. because theyre idiots. nt

[grantcart]

14. there is another reason

[kirby]

15. It what many of us have said from DAY ONE!!!

Hillary's negatives are too high. Many voters simply do not like her or even despise her. That is what happens to a candidate who polls so negatively/has such low favorable ratings. Hillary has polled worse than any other candidate when she started running.

[dchill]

16. Because 28% of Hillary supporters...

are Republicans sent from Limbaugh.

[buff2]

18. I can't stand Obama

but there is NO WAY I would vote for McCain.

[democrattotheend]

47. Will you vote for Obama?

Or just stay home?

I'm an Obama supporter but I will definitely vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination.

[DJ13]

22. They became her supporters because she was inevitable

They feel frustrated to find she wasnt, so like a sports fan who's team loses the Super Bowl they are saying they'll never watch another sporting event as long as the live.

Or until the new season starts, whichever comes first.

[Debi]

25. If they don't get their way they are taking their vote and going home!

Emotional blackmail is BS! x(

[Vinca]

26. It's because they love the Iraq war, love watching the dead soldiers

come home, love it that people die every day from lack of healthcare, want Roe v. Wade overturned by the Supreme Court, can't wait to outsource more jobs and think charging tax cuts for millionaires on the Chinese credit card is just fine.

[crankychatter]

27. The Republican Party is accepting Registration

don't let the door hit you in the ASS

[Submariner]

28. Hillary is a DLC DINO (repuke-lite) so her supporters have the same

political philosophy. It's and easy step across the line from DLC to RNC.

Obama captures the progressives (liberals), which is a couple of light years from being a DLC DINO.

[totodeinhere]

30. In fairness, a similar percentage of Obama supporters would support McCain over Clinton.

It cuts both ways and that's what's so scary.

[Hamlette]

42. actually, it's 19% for Obama supporters but I understand that

because Obama has brought new people into the process while Hillary is relying on (I thought) traditional democrats.

[BigDDem]

31. Could it possibly be that

some people don't think Barry's ready to be president?
He started running for president 2 years into his first term.

[TBF]

33. Because she told them to --

What did people think the effect would be when she decided to run that ad declaring she and McCain were ready for the presidency, but Obama was not.

Of course they will vote for McCain - as should she because she obviously cares nothing for the Democratic party after that little display.

[MoonRiver]

35. I probably won't vote for McCain. I'll write in Hillary Clinton. BUT,

did you hear McCain's speech just now? He sounded very reasonable and moderate. Spoke up in favor of taking strong action to end global warming, working with our allies, and stopping torture even when dealing with suspected terrorists. Even what he said about Iraq did not sound very hawkish. I can definitely see how Democrats who, like me, despise Obama, might easily cross over to McCain. And it will be much easier for Independents.

[crankychatter]

43. Why are you a Democrat?

seriously

Have you read the Party Platform?

[MoonRiver]

51. WTF are you talking about?

I've been a Democrat all my life. The party platform has nothing to do with my dislike of BO. :eyes:

[indio55555]

36. It's human nature.

If you don't get things your way. You try to ruin the other person's image. To top it off this was a sure thing for Hillary so it makes it worse.

I hope Obama gets this becuase it will prove in November that a fraction of Hillary's votes were from the Republican side.

[Romulox]

38. McCain came to Michigan to talk about the economy. Obama won't.

That's the #1 reason I can see why Michigan voters may vote for McCain.

[bevoette]

39. Does anybody have an anecdotal story of a Republican crossover they know...

...voting for Hillary b/c they like her?

I've seen dozens of stories of family members, co-workers, friends, etc. that are crossing to Obama for this reason - I even have 3 of my own IRL.

I can't recall a Hillary crossover story that didn't include a Rush reference...

[adarling]

40. Let people blow some hot air out

I don't believe they would do that. People will calm down once its over. As a clinton supporter, i have no problem voting for Obama. When he becomes the nominee i will have signs and bumperstickers everywhere showing my support. I support the democratic nominee for president. People are just being selfish. I have also heard people say that if Clinton is the nominee they won't even vote or vote for mccain. I just think crappy views are getting press right now.

[democrattotheend]

48. If only all Clinton supporters could be like you

And Obama supporters too...I find it pretty absurd how many intelligent people say they won't vote for one or the other when their stances on the issues are so similar.

[housewolf]

41. Statements like that really don't carry a lot of weight at this point

We're still about 7.5 months away from the GE.

During a primary season, the "enemy" is the opponent from the same party. When you strongly support one candidate over the other, and you think your candidate is going to lose to the other, it's real easy to think that you won't vote for that person and that you'd rather vote for someone else.

It the GE season, the "enemy" becomes the candidate from the other party. I believe that when people think about the repercussions of a McCain presidency re: the war, Iran, health care and the supreme court, many/most will reconsider their emotional decisions to vote for McCain over Obama. Not all will, but many-to-most will.

That's what I think, anyway.

[BenDavid]

44. who really gives a chit! If obama gets the nomination, we lose,

simple as that......then all you obama folks along with obigot can holler, "It was Hillary's fault, not mine" and the "We love Obama" whorepress will go with that story.

[thevoiceofreason]

45. Well, 20% of her supporters are crossover KAOS republicans

[democrattotheend]

46. I did not decide to vote for Kerry until September of 2004

I was bitter about what happened to Dean. But once New Jersey started looking competitive I woke up and realized how idiotic it would be to throw away my vote with a write-in.

[New Dawn]

49. Clinton and McCain both want to illegally invade Iran

For some of the Clinton supporters, attacking Iran is all that matters to them. That is why McCain probably seems like an attractive candidate to them.

[Cha]

50. Because, What's the fucking difference?

[shomino]

53. Would it be wrong to point out they're both white?

[kleebo151]

54. I disagree with those who won't vote for Obama

I think once the primaries are over a whole new game begins. The fate of our nation is in play. It is very important to elect a democrat because Judge Stevens is not getting any younger and might need to be replaced if he perishes during the next few years.
Let's stand united or die divided.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

56. So far I'd still vote for Obama - but I'm very angry at the Dem Party - not Obama.

I used to think that the party was more supportive of women than they really are. After seeing how unsupportive the party leaders are of Hillary and seeing how they are planning on not counting my vote (I'm from Florida) I'm very disgusted with the party. If there were a strong progressive third party nominee who could win I would probably vote for them.

I not angry at Obama at all - I'm angry at his supporters and I just don't like the hype surrounding him and all the attacking his supporters have done to Hillary and his personality rubs me the wrong way - I feel he sort of has a "messiah" complex. I hate being a "follower" who goes with the crowd too - too sheeplike.

I also don't feel that he can win in the general (he has lost the vote of the indys, swing voters, moderate Dems) and Hillary (who was my third choice) has a better chance of winning. I would have rather seen Edwards in as the nominee.

I don't want to see another rightwinger put on the Supreme Court and more wildlife get wiped out, or more chipping away at Roe vs. Wade so I will vote for the Dems even if they have Bozo the clown running.

[catgirl]

58. Because they're pro war?

Because they're spiteful, like she is? There is absolutely no good reason why
a democrat would vote for McCain and his values over Obama, who has
integrity.