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deadlyaj Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:13 AM
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The Iraq War has finally come home to my family - WAKE UP PEOPLE
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 10:34 AM by deadlyaj
As Ive posted before Im a 28 y/o Marine Captain who has voted republican his entire life.

I am a marine who served at the tip of the spear and multiple tours in Iraq - I never had a scratch other than a bad fever in my entire time there.

The war came home to my family last night.

My little brother, 18 years old was killed by an IED in southern Iraq.

It is time for us to finally open our eyes to what is happening in Iraq and finally end it!

With the sobering news of 4000 troops and countless iraqi people who have fallen it is time for us to get out.

I was in Walter Reed last year visiting a friend who has 30% burns on his whole body and there in the hallways talking to soldiers was Barack Obama.
No Cameras. No handlers. Just him. Comforting soldiers and making sure that we were having the care that we need and giving us real face time with him
and not just a photo opportunity. After talking to him for almost half an hour and shaking his hand I felt his strength.

Mr. Obama will end this war. My brother has already died in vain -- lets just make sure someone elses daughter or brother will not do the same.

Open your eyes america and look what is happening to your armed forces and your country... 5 years later - maybe we will do something about it. For all of us.

Your prayers are wonderful -- if you really want to help, donate to the Fallen Patriot Fund. This is a Marc Cuban ran
iraqi vet charity that does amazing work. http://www.fallenpatriotfund.org /

or Donate to the Barack Obama Campaign - http://www.barackobama.com /


4000 dead in Iraq - a mosaic of the fallen.

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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:15 AM
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1. Is this all really true?
If it is, good god, man, so sorry for your loss.

We gotta end this thing immediately.
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deadlyaj Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:17 AM
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5. I wish
Me and My family wish it was all untrue.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:47 AM
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38. I am sure you do wish it were all untrue....
My prayers and sympathy to you and your family. Thank you and your brother for yourservice to our country. No words can express my deep felt sorrow No mother and father should have to lose a child no brother should have to lose a younger brother, I know we lost our son, not to war but a loss is a loss no matter what the circumstances and almost unbearable no matter what the reason. God Bless...
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:30 AM
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185. My heart hurts so for you!
My nephew was badly wounded in Iraq. He still has nightmares over it! I hope and pray that this insanity comes to an end once and for all!
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Redrover666 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 09:55 AM
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234. You are a
FRAUD
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Redrover666 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 09:57 AM
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235. Thread is a
FRAUD
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:41 AM
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216. It appears to be a lie
the names have been released and no 18 year old killed during said liars time frame.
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BOHICA06 Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 04:03 PM
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230. NO IT IS NOT TRUE ... AJ is a liar! nt
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Redrover666 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 09:54 AM
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233. This guy is a
FRAUD
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Redrover666 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:03 AM
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236. The worst kind of lie
It makes me absolutely sick that this individual used a bogus claim of a dead brother to garner sympathy, take a shot at the administration and post a copy of a picture made up of the faces of dead soldiers without the permission of their families.

This kind of scum does the democratic cause no good.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:15 AM
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2. I am so sorry.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:16 AM
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3. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry for you and your family.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:17 AM
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4. Oh Jesus Christ! AJ, I am so sorry for you.
Dammit. That's not fair. Peace my friend.
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:17 AM
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6. My prayers are with you...
Thank you for your service to our country. I am very sorry for our loss.

God Bless.

Go Barack!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:17 AM
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7. I'm so very sorry for your loss.
Your family, and all the other families like yours, are in my prayers.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:17 AM
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8. I'm sorry for your loss.
This war should never have happened. Hopefully we'll be able to end this nightmare soon.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:18 AM
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9. I'm sorry about your little brother.
:cry:
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austinboy Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:18 AM
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10. My condolences
I am so sorry to read of your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you and yours during this time. Peace.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:20 AM
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11. Deeply sorry for your loss....thank you for your service, and
thank your parents and family for raising such wonderful sons.

Looking at the pictures is like being hit on the head with a hammer. Makes one realize the suffering our fellow Americans are going through.
Thank you for posting.

Much love....
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:20 AM
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12. AJ, you're in our thoughts and prayers here
I am so, so sorry for your loss.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:22 AM
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13. my condolences on your loss.
that is just horrible. when, oh when, will this species evolve beyond war?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:23 AM
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14. OMG, I'm so sorry
So sorry for your tragic loss. I can't even imagine what you must be going through. Let's hope and pray for a president who will end this war next year. Again, I am so sorry for your loss. Let us know if your family sets up a fund or anything in your brother's honor.
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MrsMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:23 AM
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15. My sincere condolances on the loss of your brother
Thoughts and prayers to you and your family.

I currently have two people close to our family in Iraq; a cousin (3rd tour) and a very good friend (1st tour Iraq, was deployed previously in Afghanistan). Not a day goes by that I don't worry for their safety..
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:23 AM
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16. I shall join your club
by cousin (19 years old) just enlisted in the U.S. Army a couple of months ago. He is doing a "superior job". I wonder where his next deployment might be? :mad:

I'm very sorry to hear of your brother. He did not die in vain for one reason, because of YOU and your willingness to say "U.S. OUT OF IRAQ!".

Maybe this thought doesn't help a whole lot, I don't know but here is a :hug: for you.

OBAMA '08!!!

:dem: :kick:

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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:23 AM
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17. You and your family have my deepest condolences.
I'm so sorry for your loss. :hug:

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:24 AM
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18. I'm very sorry. I'm heartbroken for you.
I'm so sorry.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:24 AM
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19. my prayers go out to you and your family
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:25 AM
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20. I was against this thing when your brother was in middle school
I hate that you had to feel the pain of this war
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:26 AM
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21. I am so sorry for your loss. You are welcome here at DU.
At some time though, I hope you can take your message to the people who got us into this mess. You will carry some weight there. You will always be honored, and your sacrifice appreciated here.

--IMM
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:27 AM
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22. Heart goes out to you. Maybe the cumulative grief from all the dead soldiers in Iraq will help end
this madness sooner, rather than later.

:hug:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:28 AM
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23. I am so sorry!
I am so sorry for your pain and loss. We buried my little brother last year and it was the worst thing I've ever been through. I wear one of his tags around my neck and my mom has the other. Everymorning I renew my promise to do everything I can for all the victims of this war. I'm so sorry about your brother, you and your family have my deepest condolences. I'm sorry the nightmare came home to you and hope we get out of it soon. :hug:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:28 AM
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24. Very sorry to hear that news.
:-(
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:29 AM
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25. Oh wow
I am so sorry for your loss. :cry:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:32 AM
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26. Very sorry, if only more Senators had a spine
and if Bush hadn't lied.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:33 AM
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27. OMG....your 18 year old brother....I am so sorry.
I lost friends in VN. Back then some of them were 18 years old, too. I was in HS and college at this time. I protested and protested and protested. I am now nearly 60 years old and it is happening all over again.

FUCK THE BASTARD ASSHOLEs who have allowed young me like this to die for their lies.

I am sorry....so very sorry...and my words feel so very hallow right now.

:cry:
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:51 PM
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238. he is a fraud. n/t
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:35 AM
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28. I am so sorry for your loss.
:cry:

Your brother, as well as the other 3999 dead and countless wounded are the victims of Bush's ego.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:40 AM
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29.  Hugs for you deadlyaj, and your family...This is
very sad to hear. Bring them Home!!!!
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:48 AM
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30. I am so sorry.
:hug:
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:05 AM
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31. We share your loss, deadlyaj
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 11:10 AM by downstairsparts
This war took a beloved from my family too a couple of years ago, Christopher, a Marine like you. He can see me in the picture, looking for him.

I'm so sorry for the loss of all these men & women and their families, and I'm sorry we weren't able to stop the Bush madness, sending them all to their deaths.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:06 AM
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32. 18 is just TOO YOUNG to die!!!!!!!!!! How dare this madness take your brother.
I am so sorry for your family, for the pain in your hearts, and wish you all comfort.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:11 AM
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33. oh, man, I am so sorry
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 11:11 AM by frogcycle
I assume he was one of the four on Sunday.

Damn I wish there were something I could say.

I have been in touch with several families in the course of building the Zeitlangers website.

This past weekend I exchanged emails with the mother of one of the first three KIA in Oct, 2001.

Time can soften the blow a tiny bit, but the hole is there forever.

Thank you for your service, and for your brother's. I know it is hard to write what you did - that he died "in vain." And despite the wrongheadedness of the war, may I respectfully suggest you not look at it that way? It is a meaningless expression but can somehow make the hurt even worse.

He was a casualty of bad planning and bad choices by others, just as is a victim of a drunk driver. If he was doing what he felt was right, trying to make a positive difference, then his individual life was not "in vain."

Look at it this way: if all the hullabaloo about hitting 4000 on Easter Sunday actually influences public opinion some, and accelerates the mobilization to stop this thing, then his loss may save hundreds, even thousands.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:34 AM
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34. I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm so sorry we couldn't stop this stupid war.
I wish strength for your family to get through this, and a Dem in the White House to put an end to this insanity.

Thank you for your service and your sacrifice.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:37 AM
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35. I am so very, very sorry for your loss.
May your brother rest in peace.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:41 AM
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36. I'm truly sorry for your loss
My brother came home in Nov. My biggest fear was what you are going through now.

I marched while he was there and I will march again.... I hope you will join us.

To many young souls are gone.

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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:44 AM
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37. Oh my gosh. Your family must be devastated. I wish we could end this thing today.
My grandmother had 5 brothers who all joined WWII together. The youngest of her brothers was reluctant, but joined. He died in a training exercise in country. She never got over it.

Her way of handling it was to do something in his memory. She was a devout Catholic. Every X-mas she would make this letter about celebrating Jesus' birthday and his message of peace. She would attach a blue candle for the receiver to have a birthday party for Jesus. By the end of her long life she was sending thousands of them every year. Tens of thousands of Blue Candles were sent out in her lifetime born in her love for her brother. Everyone must find a way to cope. I hope that you can find such a way to celebrate your brother.
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Georgie_92 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:50 AM
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39. My deepest sympathy for your tragic loss.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:55 AM
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40. I'm very sorry to hear about your brother.
If you ever need anything just PM me and I will be there.

Your friend,

tabasco
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deadlyaj Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:25 PM
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42. thank you
Thank you
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deadlyaj Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:25 PM
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43. thank you
Thank you
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:08 AM
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221. Where are you and could you please explaing how the
military made such a HUGE mistake?

Pvt. George Delgado, 21, of Palmdale, Calif.

Staff Sgt. Christopher M. Hake, 26, of Enid, Okla.

Pfc. Andrew J. Habsieger, 22, of Festus, Mo.

Spc. Jose A. Rubio Hernandez, 24, of Mission, Texas.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:56 AM
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41. .
:hug: :patriot:
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:27 PM
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44. I lit a candle, aj.
Didn`t know what else to do. I`m so very sorry. May your little brother rest in peace.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:44 PM
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45. We are truly sorry for your loss. Be prepared to be called some nasty things by former collegues
And realize just how truly f***ed up this really is.

Why did it happen? Follow the money. The people who are rich after all of this are your brother's killers.

Sincerly, warmest thoughts and deepest condolences on your loss.

Rob
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:47 PM
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46. I am sorry for your loss.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:47 PM
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47. I'm so sorry.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:51 PM
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49. Sincerest condolences to you and your family.
And our VP says "So. . .?" and even more callously "They volunteered."

Mind boggling really. It's been this way for far too long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFowNFvmUxw

Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

This must end very soon.


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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:57 PM
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50. I am very sorry for your loss. I will keep you and your family in my thoughts.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:00 PM
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51. My deepest sympathy to you and your family on the loss of your loved
one, aj. :cry: :hug:
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:07 PM
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52. So sorry for your familys loss, AJ. It's up to us to end this. Vote Obama.
Did you design this mosaic AJ? I remember you doing the Barack artwork.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:07 PM
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53. My heart is with you and your family
I am so very sorry for your loss.
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JoDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:09 PM
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54. As a friend
who served as a corpsman with an USMC unit in VN would say if he was here:

"Ooo-rah. And bless you."

I am so sorry for your loss. Keep speaking the truth that you know to all who will listen.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:13 PM
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55. I Am Sorry
My heart breaks for you and all the families who have suffered because of Bush's invasion and cowboy mentality.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:14 PM
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56. I'm sorry you lost your brother, aj.
:hug:

Semper Fi.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:14 PM
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57. I am so sorry for you and your family
:grouphug:
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:17 PM
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58. I'm truly sorry for your loss.
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Rob Gregory Browne Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:19 PM
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59. This post brought me to tears.
My heartfelt condolences to you and your family. This is just tragic.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:29 PM
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60. Cap, I'm sorry. My condolences to your family.
People like your brother are the only thing about this country that is worth a shit to me anymore.

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:34 PM
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61. Good journey to your brother's brave soul
I am so sorry for your loss.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:39 PM
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62. I am so sorry your little brother has been killed by an IED in Iraq. The occupation must end.
And, I must say, your post was beautifully and movingly written. I met an impressive young man recently who is training as a nurse and was caring for my hospitalized father-in-law. He served two tours of duty in Iraq and is an avid supporter of Barack Obama, as well. I gave him a Barack Obama 2008 wristband and he immediately put it on his wrist.

There is a reason so many of our veterans support Barack Obama, and not John "100 year Iraq occupation" McCain.
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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:46 PM
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63. I am sure to get flamed for this, but... was the OP OK with the war when he fought
and while his little brother fought, up until his brother was killed?

He says he has always voted repuke. He sounds like he has the typical repuke orientation to everything - "as long as I do not have to suffer personally, anything is fine. But, if I am personally affected, it is time to change my mind."

The same bullshit as Dick hating and discriminating against gay Americans until HIS daughter is mentioned. Then, he gets all indignant.

I call BULLSHIT.

Sure, the loss of his brother is a personal cost that he and his family has to deal with. Where have they been for the past five fucking years?
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:00 PM
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66. Not flamed, but put on ignore N/T
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:10 PM
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77. you need to get a break and find yourself and then come back
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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:29 PM
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83. So, did you defend Cheney when he stood up for his daughter? It is the same
goddamned thing.

I know no one who is personally affected by the war (in the military) and I have been against it from before Day One. I did not have to wait until it "came home" to object. That is the difference between a principled stand and one of personal convenience. America is full of people like the OP who only now are turning against the war and only because it has hurt them. They have no sympathy for the million Iraqis we have killed and tens of millions whose lives we have ruined.

Maybe, if the OP and more of his buddies had stood against the lust for war, his brother would still be alive. How influential was he in getting his little brother into the military? It is obvious that he was a role model. Too bad he did not model more "heroic" behavior. That sounds harsh and it is. But it is the truth.

In the same way that George and Dick sold it as a cakewalk with no consequences and thus, were able to get many to be complicit in the crime against humanity, the OP only now objects because the cost TO HIM is too high.

By his reasoning, I could just as easily support the war because I have not personally suffered, except tangentially. Sorry, but my concern extends beyond my personal life.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:15 PM
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103. The OP's brother is dead. Nothing is the same.
It is not harsh it is callous. It is not enlightened it is capricious.

It is not the time to score points it is the time to extend friendship.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:46 AM
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186. To quote Dick Cheney........So?
The OP could have been a true hero to America and laid down his weapons. He could have done everything in his power to stop his brother from enlisting. No, TooBigaTent is right. Why now? What about the 100's of thousands of Iraqi's that have died.....oh right they're not US Marines.

Want to make some admends? Now, right now, resign if you are still in the Marines, lay down your arms and take up the cause of peace. Do what John kerry did when he came home from Vietnam.

You can't bring your brother back but you may prevent someone else's brother from the same fate.


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:31 AM
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175. IMO, to vent anger and self-righteousness is not appropriate now.
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 04:32 AM by ShortnFiery
Instead let's continue to convey the unconditional Love of Christ for all of humanity (or warm regards of empathy, etc for non-Christians for the bereaved).



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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:34 PM
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85. As so for all of us...
How did you come to your epiphany? Did it spring full blown from the center of your forehead? For most it comes from an experience that allows one to see differently. Sometimes it is an epiphany, the sudden ah ha! moment; sometimes it's a series of adjustments.

Your attitude would be useful if you were face to face with an enemy who wished to do you deadly harm. I would be very surprised to find out that you are currently in that situation.

Is this really the best you can do with all the resources you currenlty have available?

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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:44 PM
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88. What ARE you trying to say? I cannot figure out what your point is? Is there one?
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 03:45 PM by TooBigaTent
I present a point of view and all I get is ignores and incoherent personal attacks.

Let me ask a direct, simple question. If one of the Bush twins were to be killed in Iraq (I know it would never happen, but assume it did - maybe on a book tour) and George then decided that he would end it because the cost came home to him, would you be sympathetic to the Bush family?

How is the OP any different?

And please try and clarify whatever you were trying to say.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:36 PM
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94. OK, how's this?
From your tone:

I believe you're a self-indulgent child who's hiding behind a keyboard. I believe that the phony rage you're projecting is self-aggrandizement.


Would I feel personal sympathy for Bush if one of his children were killed in a war? Yep, I sure would.

Would I depend on him changing as a integral part of a way to end the war? Un-uh, no way.

Would I hope that the experience might move him to re-examine his thinking? Absolutely.

If he did re-examine his thinking and decided to end the war would I think that was a good thing? You damn betcha I would.

Bush's karma is his, I just want to stop getting people killed in this stupid war. What's your goal?



There, is that clear enough?
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:14 PM
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150. The OP is a flame post as evidenced by no replies from OP
Not surprising it's No. 1 on FlameUnderground.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:03 PM
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226. The OP seems to be not very honest as well.
I have YET to find an 18 your old killed during that time frame. And even after alerts the poster is still active.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:10 PM
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149. It takes courage to post that, and I agree with you
Is it somewhat heartless to state the truth when the OP's brother has so recently been killed? Probably. But that doesn't mean it's not the truth, and the truth hurts.

We liberals warned everybody in the run up to this war. We were the ones who saw through the lies, who marched in the streets, who tried with all our might to stop this war from happening before it did.

We were mocked from all sides. We were called unpatriotic traitors. We were called weak, evil, terrorists, you name it.

Every single warmonger who supported this war is responsible for every death, including the ones in their own family. That's the truth. If you can't take it, tough. War is hell. We tried to tell you.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:18 AM
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163. Well you'll never get anyone to join your cause if this is how you react when they do.

Instead of admonishing the OP, even if you feel the way you do, why not embrace him/her? Does it matter how/when someone's eyes are opened or that they are opened? Perhaps the OP will now fight harder than even you will to end the war.

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ConservativeDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:44 AM
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170. People can be fooled. People are imperfect.
And people can vote Republican.

But no one deserves to lose their baby brother.
And even if he was a Republican, he wasn't a chickenhawk like so many in that party.
He didn't just talk the talk. He walked the walk.

There is nothing you can say that can make him feel any worse. But for the sake of
the rest of us, please don't try.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:06 AM
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220. For the answer to that question
go to casualty web site, I think it is quite revealing.
Pvt. George Delgado, 21, of Palmdale, Calif.

Staff Sgt. Christopher M. Hake, 26, of Enid, Okla.

Pfc. Andrew J. Habsieger, 22, of Festus, Mo.

Spc. Jose A. Rubio Hernandez, 24, of Mission, Texas.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:48 PM
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64. Thank you for yr service. & my sympathy for your losing your brother.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 01:49 PM by truedelphi
Thanks also for posting your thoughts and sharing this burden with us. You have lost so much in a war situation that for most Americans remains just an occasional unpleasant news clip.

I think the morale blow that is being dealt our military is one of the five or six deadly (to our nation) consequences resulting from this mess.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:50 PM
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65. There are no words to express how deeply sorry I am for your loss...
so I offer you a picture and a mind-hug to go with it. If I could reach across the "internets", I would offer a real one in person. Take care. You and your family will be in my thoughts.


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bpj62 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:37 PM
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67. Sorry for Loss
I have no words that can confort your loss other then to say I am sorry. As a pro-military democrat I pray for an end to this war each day so that people like you who serve with honor can come home. my prayers did not help your brother and for that I am sorry. Yesterday I watched Dana Perino tell reporters with a straight face that most families that have lost a loved one in Iraq have told the president not to leave so that thier son, daughter, husband, wife, father, mother, did not die in vain. This president has wasted the precious resource of this nation to satisfy his blood lust as well as his desire to make his friends rich. I don't understand why so many in the military love Bush when he treats them like a disposable diaper.
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Moh96 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:44 PM
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68. You post brought tears to my eyes, I am truly sorry for your loss Brother
we will have to put an end to this stupidity and hold accountable all the people who brought death to your brother, starting with the master evil war criminal GWB
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:46 PM
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69. This makes me heartsick.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 02:48 PM by DangerousRhythm
I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nightmare. This just puts a finer point on why we all need to come together and work hard to get the current bums out of Washington... starting with Cheney. His callous "So?" makes me ill and this is exactly why.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:48 PM
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70. Heartbreaking. I'm so sorry for your loss. nt
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:49 PM
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71. This war has been hateful to me from the start, and I have lost
no loved ones. I can't imagine how you must feel to lose a brother. Don't say he died in vain, because he is more than a statistic: he represents our great loss and is a reminder that we must not abandon our principles out of fear and mistrust. Please accept my condolences to you and your family.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:50 PM
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72. I am so very sorry for your loss.
My condolences to you, your family, and all who loved your brother.

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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:03 PM
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73. My deepest condolences to you and your family!


The only thing to do now is to work to ensure we stop them from having more soldiers make the ultimate sacrifice!

Now that Dick Cheney has left Saudi Arabia it comes out that an expert warned the Saudis of an imminent attack against Iran and to prepare for radioactive fallout! http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=96940

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Saudi Shura council to discuss plan for sudden radioactive hazards
Riyadh (dpa) - The Saudi Shura council will secretly discuss national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the kingdom following experts' warnings of possible attacks on Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactors, media reports said Saturday.
The Saudi-based King Abdul-Aziz City for Science and Technology has prepared a proposal that encapsulates the probabilities of leaking nuclear and radiation hazards in case of any unexpected nuclear attacks in Iran, the Okaz Saudi newspaper said. The Saudi Shura or consultative council plans to debate the proposal on Sunday.

The power plants in the south-western Iranian port of Bushehr were built with German assistance in 1974 and resumed with Russian aid in 1992, after it had been stopped by the Islamic revolution. dpa str es pb


Source: dpa - International News Service in English
Heaven help us all looks like they are ready to start WWIII!
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PoiBoy Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:06 PM
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74. My deepest condolences, Captain...
from my family to yours....
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:07 PM
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75. That's awful news
I wish I knew of something meaningful to say.

I've gotten this news from other friends who've lost a relative or loved one. It always just makes me feel ill.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:09 PM
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76. Prayers for you and your family (n/t)
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chixydix Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:14 PM
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78. Oh, how awful! Was he in Basra?...down that way?
So sorry!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:15 PM
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79. no words will ever help - just a thank you for your service
This thread shows that people are aware that service men and women have a double burden. The burden we all share of being citizens of a country that has lost its way and the terrible extra burden of having to pay the ultimate price for that. I wish we could in some way share that burden with you. We cannot. We can simply say 'Thank you' for bearing these burdens with such grace an dignity.

Thank you.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:19 PM
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80. Captain AJ, I thought you should know a lot of DUers attended several Protest Marches
Before the war, and during the war, trying their best to END IT. It didn't matter to them how the soldiers voted. What mattered was the countless deaths that the war would bring, from our own countrymen to the innocent victims of the Iraqi People.

A lot more here KNEW this war of choice, was just that, A WAR OF CHOICE.

I'm so sorry it has taken so many brave young and old, men and women soldiers lives away. :cry:


Please continue to speak out and Waking People Up.


Have you considered joining Iraq Veterans Against the War?.?.?


I'm truly sorry for your loss. :hug:


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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:25 PM
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81. Very sorry for your loss!! Hope you continue to speak up against the war!!
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:27 PM
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82. Namaste'
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:33 PM
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84. AJ, I am so very sorry for your loss.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

I will make a donation to Obama with your brother in mind.

And I will think of him while I am canvassing and phonebanking for Obama in Pennsylvania.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:35 PM
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86. aj, I'm so sorry to hear about your little brother
losing a child or sibling is the most devastating thing that could happen to a family. Be strong for your parents...they will need you and you will need them more than you ever have before. My heart goes out to all of you. :hug:
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:39 PM
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87. no words can convey.......prayers to you and your family
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chixydix Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:47 PM
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89. You say he died in vain...maybe NOT! Let us know more about him, his life, dreams and hopes
perhaps we can persuade some otherwise indifferent people to stop the insanity.
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aintitfunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:03 PM
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90. I am so sorry, it is painfully
tragic. We must stop it. Now.

My deepest sympathies to you and your family.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:29 PM
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91. I am so sorry.
for you and your family, and your little brother.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:31 PM
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92. Oh my god. I am so sorry for your loss.
:hug:
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:33 PM
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93. Let's get Barack in, so we can end the war on the middle class.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:39 PM
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95. Words cannot express my sorrow for you, your mother and father
and the rest of your family.
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:56 PM
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96. I am so, so sorry to hear about your brother, AJ
:cry: My thoughts, prayers, good vibes, and every other kind of positive energy I can send go out to you and your family. :hug:
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:00 PM
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97. I am truly sorry.
:grouphug:
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:01 PM
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98. I am so sorry for your loss. My prayers go out to you and your family. n/t
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NYDem Observer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:02 PM
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99. My condolences go out to you and your family.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:07 PM
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100. I CRY FOR YOUR LOSS.... AND MORE THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR EVERYONE TO LOSE A BROTHER
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH BROTHERS TO LOSE

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH DAYS TO AWAIT EACH AND EVERY PERSON TO FIGURE THIS OUT

I'M SORRY... i have taken several public hits for 7 years about this war...

WE CANNOT WAIT FOR EACH PERSON TO LOSE A FAMILY MEMBER...
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:31 PM
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104. lighten up
there are far, far more opposing this thing - some 60 plus % of the country - than just the families. That is some 180 million - leave out kids and it is still 100 million who want them out of there.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:07 PM
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101. The sadness and horror that this horrific president has brought
down on millions of people is beyond speech and it gets so much sadder when it is this close to home.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:11 PM
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102. My deepest sympathies for your
loss, aj.
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kentj44 Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:41 PM
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105. thank you for your
post and standing up for the troops.hope you find peace in the loss of your brother. cpousnret. u of nam 66-69
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:47 PM
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106. Stop this damned war. Now.
Watching "Frontline" last night and tonight, and ready to explode with righteous rage.

My deepest sympathies. We need to redouble our efforts so other brothers (and sisters) may yet get out alive - for good.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:53 PM
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107. I have watch the ravages of war since WW2 and I had enough after K.
My tiny little son probably thought he was being abused, however I didn't mean for the government to get my son who really was small, I would have gone to Canada with him to keep him out of the army, I came down on him hard because I saw it coming another war, I paddled his hinnie for a B. I didn't mean for out government to send him off to get killed, but guess what he started to try for an accademy the air force, he wanted to fly , took some of the test, then he decided he would never be able to fly because of his eyes, then after he finished college, he even thought about it again but knew his eyes were bad and he had a wife by that time.... But I am sick of war, someother way can do the job, I think mostly we need to remember Dwight David Eisnhowers last speech and what was said at the end of his speech, poor kids fight for people like Bush and Cheney to fill their pockets



I feel so badly for you and will remember you in my prayers, I have two grandsons one 28 , with terrible eyes and then one 11, we will probably be in a war with China by the time he is of age to fight.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:06 PM
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108. Sorry for your loss, and for the grief you and yours are experiencing
Thank you for your service to our country. This war needs to end NOW.
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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:10 PM
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109. so so sorry
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 06:12 PM by odelisk8
my dad was a vietnam vet...died when i was 8....my grandmother lost her brother in ww2...he was 18....these wars MUST end...and NOW.
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:15 PM
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110. your brother was 13 when we invaded
11 when Sept 11 occurred.

What kind of person enlists _willingly_ into a war without end? A good one. An unselfish one. Even if he was there to fulfill some fantasies of glory for himself, he was still there, in uniform, in harms way next to everyone else in his unit.

What kind of father would he have been? What kind of community leader? What kind of husband? Likely a very good one. The world is less with every passing of someone like him.

Rest in Peace Warrior.

SGT PASTO
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:29 PM
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111. I'm so sorry!
This war must end now!
:hug: :cry:

http://ivaw.org /
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:32 PM
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112. There's nothing I can say...
...that can possibly ease the pain of the loss of your little brother, though I sure wish there was.

Thank you for your service, your courage, and your sacrifice.

Please, make it known, so that less sacrifice will come to our nation's families.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:34 PM
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113. I don't know what to say.
I am sorry for your loss.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:34 PM
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114. Damn, Just damn. No, GOD DAMN IT. I hate that you lost your
little brother and I hate this stupid senseless war. I watched "Sir, No Sir" not long ago, and since our "leaders" in Wash DC (yes every one of them) don't seem to care if this war ends or not, it really is going to have to be up to soldiers like yourself to finally speak up and say I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE. I truly do thank you and your little brother for your service - your job is a terrible job that I know I could never do it. Thank you for speaking up. :hug: Please tell your Mom and Dad how sorry we are.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:44 PM
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115. Oh my, AJ
there are no words
In honor of your brother I will send out a new batch of emails to my Congresspeople saying get them out NOW!

I am so sorry.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:59 PM
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116. I had bookmarked one of your 1st posts. I am so sorry about your brother.
My condolences to you and our loved ones.

2/26/08
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:12 PM
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117. Where in southern Iraq?
We have no troops in southern Iraq and the Dept. of Defense said as of today (3/25/2008) the most recent (since Feb 1st.) IED deaths have all been in Baghdad which if you have been in Iraq you know it is not anywhere in the south.
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BOHICA06 Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:34 PM
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120. Yep, something doesn't smell right here.
I hope this isn't another Jesse MacBeth. Sure hope you and I are wrong.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:54 PM
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123. There is a lot that smells here and I didn't put all I know in my post.
I was in Iraq in 2003-2004 and I have kept my contacts. I have caught a number of people who have made false claims about being there.
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BOHICA06 Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:43 PM
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209. This looks more like an Obama shill ....
...would like a branch, unit, and MOS to clear it up. But AJ has dropped off the board. Hmmmmmmm?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:33 AM
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214. He is busted no 18 year olds died in the time frame. n/t
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:39 PM
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129. We have something like 100,000 contractors, who are getting killed
With very little mention. On a regualr basis (including several over the last few days.)

I don't see that his OP labels his younger brother as a Marine (The OP says that he himself is a Marine.)
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:46 PM
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131. He can give the information and I can check it out.
There have been no contractors killed in the last few days in fact, and we have almost none in southern Iraq.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:15 PM
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136. Actaully just the other day there was mention of a local guy killed
As a contractor.

My husband started talking abt it at breakfast, saying that it is disgusting that these Blackwater mercenaries get talked abt like they are plumbers or something. Had to have been Friday Sat or Sunday that we had the conversation.

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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:01 PM
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205. There were two bodies of contractors found a couple days ago.
They had been kidnapped and killed a couple years ago.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:44 PM
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157. The four killed on Sunday were in southern part of Baghdad
there is the chance the OP misheard or mistyped. Only one of the four names released. Let's just wait and see the ages.
Habsinger was 22.

icasualties:

US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
US Andy Habsieger Baghdad (southern part) Hostile - hostile fire - IED attack
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:17 PM
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227. Names and ages released. All in their 20s. This was a false OP.
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Johnny Noshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:17 PM
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118. This must END
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:20 PM
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119. Captain, thank you for your service and so very sorry for your loss.

You're not alone in wanting to end this folly, believe it.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:35 PM
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121. Deepest sympathies to you and your family.
:hug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:36 PM
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122. I am very much awake......
and very much supporting Sen. Obama!

I'm really sorry, which I know is not of much comfort, but I marched against the war, and wrote letters, etc....., and unfortunately, it is all that I could do. :cry:
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:56 PM
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124. Not in vain
It is very important to separate the war from the warrior. Your brother honored America. Perhaps his death will intensify the focus that this administration needs to be replaced by a Democratic administration. They will take the sacrifice of your brother and emphasize that leaders must not send men and women into war except for the defense of the US and when all other options are off the table.

I will do my best to remember him and his colleagues with honor.
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Glimmer of Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:03 PM
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125. I am so sorry for the loss of your little brother. I can't imagine.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:05 PM
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126. Please accept my condolences
and my prayers for your brother and for all of your family.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:06 PM
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127. Thank you for your service Captain, my condolences for your loss.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:11 PM
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128. Please accept my condolences
And make no mistake - we here at DU have our eyes wide open and try to do our part to end this war. Our thoughts are with you and your family. Your little brother did his duty and you can be proud. I have no doubt you love and treasure his service. We appreciate all of your service, as well.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:46 PM
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130. deadlyaj I am sorry for your famlies loss...
Thank you for your service and I thank your brother for his service and his ultimate sacrifice.

God I am sorry....

Madmaddie
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:47 PM
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132. Damn I hate this war! My deepest condolences to you and your family.
It just damn well shouldn't be. Damn, damn, damn.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:50 PM
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133. .
:hug:

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:54 PM
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134. 18 years old . . . !!!
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 08:55 PM by defendandprotect
It makes me feel even more strongly that no 18 year old should be able to enlist --
I wish it were so!

I wish we could undo this for you and your family --- move the world backwards ---
when only 8 short years ago we had a world and a country on such a different path.

It's infuriating, shocking, sad ---
I'm sure that it's making us all here feel the anger over this war all over again.
I wonder if we had impeached Bush after last year's elections if we might not now
be looking at 4,000 dead -- 100,000 wounded --- and 5 years of occupation.

I'm so sorry for you and your family. I will be supporting Obama and thank you for
telling us the story about his visit to the hospital.

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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:04 PM
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135. There are at least 100 people simply reading your post in ratio to 1 of us replying to you...
And I know that in my heart, we are all of us crying bitter, painful, and empathetic tears. We grieve for you and for your family, but most of all, we grieve for the loss of your young, beautiful man... for our troops in harm way, and those damaged beyond.

My family thanks your brother for his immeasurable sacrifice. May peace, and the memory of his love, be with you now and always.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:16 PM
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137. Forgive me, as a survivor of Viet Nam, for my skepticism, especially given how badly
we've been suckered by other "new members" here at DU.

We're a trusting lot, we are. That's part of what makes us what we are.

Your credentials, please? I'm sure you'd not be shy to provide them, given the nature of your post.

Redstne
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:33 PM
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142. Here's another post. He says he's a Republican.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 09:33 PM by Tatiana
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:21 PM
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138. this is a game to bush!
how can anyone in their right mind vote for these assholes !! sorry about your brother...that really suckS!
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:25 PM
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139. May he rest in peace.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 09:35 PM by Maat
We will end this war; I'm dedicated to doing just that. Healing and comforting energy to all those who loved him. I honor all those who answered the call to duty. We never should have set them up for the misery that is Iraq. You are in our family's thoughts and prayers.

My husband and I voted for Obama, and will do so in November.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:28 PM
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140. peace be with you.
:hug:
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:32 PM
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141. I"m heartbroken for you and your family, my prayers are with you
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:34 PM
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143. I'm so sorry
Our family has a young Marine who survived his first tour in Iraq. He will be going back in a few months, so we are not out of the woods yet. My heart sinks and my gut tightens every time I hear of another loss. Sincere condolences to you and your family.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:35 PM
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144. Rec #99
Thank you for bringing your heartbreaking personal story to this forum. There are so many thousands of others beyond this forum who hold you and your family in their hearts. And who wish you healing and peace.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:42 PM
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145. I'm so very sorry
My thoughts and prayers for peace for you and your family are with you.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:45 PM
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146. oh no... I'm so sorry
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 09:47 PM by CitizenLeft
I know that's feeble, but... or at least it feels feeble.

I am moved to tears for you and your family.

And all the 4,000 families.

I'm so sorry.

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Reeta77 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:49 PM
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147. My sincerest and deepest condolences...
to you and your family.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:54 PM
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148. I really hate hearing that - so sorry.
My thoughts and prayers are with you.
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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:17 PM
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151. My sincere sympathy for you and your family
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:35 PM
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152. I'm Sorry About the Loss of Your Brother...
But... it took the death of a brother to wake up people from their republican stupor?

God Help this Country if right-wing propaganda has saturated the American consciousness to the degree that it takes the death of a family member to bring people back to reality! This brother's death was a direct result of his personal advisors, who collectively ignored many realities of the world, and how they influenced a young marine's life with their myopic worldview.

Perhaps, my assessment of this behavior sounds harsh, but military officers must accept personal accountability in the death of young servicemembers. It's great to ask others to help now, after the fact, but it was an officer's job to lead, and many actions in this instance display an abdication of responsibility. I was a naval officer for 7 years until a disabling injury rendered me unable to serve. The world teaches people harsh lessons, and requires leaders to anticipate problems. True leadership permits people to anticipate problems before they become catastrophic events!
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:37 PM
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153. I hope that you can print this thread before they bury your brother and
include all of our goodbyes and thank yous in his pocket. God Speed, good soldier, and Thank you.
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:39 PM
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154. There are no words...
My prayers are with you and your family...

May you find peace...
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:40 PM
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155. I really am sorry...
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:44 PM
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156. Soldier's daughter, sister, niece, sending you deepest wishes...
...for comfort in this terrible hour for you and your family. Mine all came home. We have to end this madness. This level of loss is not to be tolerated.

Sending best wishes for strength!
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GenDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:52 PM
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158. So very sorry
Words can't express my feelings for your loss.

:hug:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:56 PM
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159. I am absolutely sorry for your and you family's loss and salute your brother
Take care.









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schrodinger_I Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:17 PM
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160. My condolences
My sincere condolences on your loss. I also lost a younger brother a few years
ago but it was in a car accident. I know how you are feeling. It is a terrible loss.....




Let's end this senseless war now!!
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:12 AM
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161. I am so sorry for your loss.

And so sorry that you have to hear the thoughtless bullshit that Bush and Cheney spew. And so sorry that you have to endure the feelings I can't even begin to imagine that you must have when you hear them speak their callous words.


Thank you for posting the mosaic. It's very touching. I think I'll send it to my friends, maybe they'll come with me to protest next time.

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:17 AM
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162. Oh no!
I am really sorry to hear this. Your family must be devastated. Thanks for telling us about your brother's sacrifice. May he rest in peace.

:patriot: :cry:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:18 AM
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164. I'm so very sorry
:hug: There are no words to say what I feel.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:18 AM
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165. My condolences
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:21 AM
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166. K&R for the cool mosaic!
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 12:25 AM
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167. deadlyaj, keep your head up!!!!!
My prayers will go out to you and your family. I am soooo sorry for your lost. I too hope this war ends soon! I wish more people would know about the encounter you had with Barak, and how he did that encounter did not come at the expense of a TV ad or a photo op!

Keep your head up, and stay strong!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:20 AM
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168. I am so sorry Captain. It breaks my heart to read your post.
It is a cold hard reminder that our soldiers are depending on the people of the United States to make the right decisions that bring this war to an end.

I honor your brothers service and sacrifice and also your own. My deepest condolences to you and your family.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:22 AM
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169. i am so sorry.
because you can't even say it was for the stupid cold war, unless it was afghanistan.

how did america and the world handle WW1 and 2. when so many died.
how many poxes can i put on the bushevics?
damn georgie to hell.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:37 AM
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171. prayed to the Lord for your loss and hope you and your family
can get through this painful event. Bless your brother for his sacrifice. The invasion of Iraq should never have happened, they lied to our country. But, again, my condolences.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:52 AM
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172. My deepest and sincerest thoughts, prayers, condolences and sympathies
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 03:52 AM by socialdemocrat1981
are extended to all of you. Words are inadequate at this time, I know, but my deepest sympathies for your loss :hug: :hug:
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:02 AM
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173. God Damn This War.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:11 AM
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174. May God be with you and yours during this unfathomably painful time.
My older brother came very close to dying in Vietnam by a shrapnel hit.

I'm so very sorry for your loss.

May God keep you and your family close.

SnF - Army Veteran
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:34 AM
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176. Condolences to you and your family.
I'm so very sorry for your loss...
My heart goes out to you.
Sending prayers...
Peace~
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:58 AM
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177. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family...
I'm sorry for the loss of your brother, at such a tender age as well.

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ordinaryaveragegirl Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:07 AM
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178. So sorry to hear about your brother.
My thoughts go out to you and your family during this difficult time. Sadly, you are not alone in your grief...too many brave men and women aren't coming home the same, if at all. :cry:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:29 AM
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179. I'm very sorry to hear about your little brother's death.
You and your family have my sincere condolences. :(

He was to young to be over there at age 18. Why wasn't he in college instead? Such a waste.

"It is time for us to finally open our eyes to what is happening in Iraq and finally end it!"

Sounds like you are the one who needed to open your eyes, my eyes have been open since before
the illegal invasion and bombing began. I hope you and your family's eyes are now open as well
and have stopped voting for rethugs. I have never voted for a repuke and never will.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 06:34 AM
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180. So sorry to hear that.
May God bless.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:00 AM
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181. So sorry for your loss.
There are no words for what this government is doing to our troops, we need to get them home now. Again, I am so sorry for your loss.
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:14 AM
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182. I Am So Terribly Sorry
My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family. This is a terrible, senseless and horrifying loss. I have always been against this waste of life known as the "Iraq War" and all of the loss. I grieve and cry every time I see the damage done and the toll that this occupation has taken on so many. I keep hoping that this occupation will end, SOON.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:15 AM
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183. My hearfelt condolences to you and your family.
My prayers are with you and your family during this difficult time for you.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:17 AM
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184. My deepest condolences
You are in my thoughts and prayers.

We must end this war; no family should have to go through that kind of pain and loss.
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:53 AM
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187. My Condolences To You and Your Family
Each and every death of our soldiers and innocent Iraqi's, each and every injury both physical and mental to our soldiers and innocent Iraqi's is a tragedy. That the Bush Administration has not been made to pay for their crimes against the people of this planet is a grave injustice to these brave men and women.

Peace to you and your family and to all the families who have suffered.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:55 AM
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188. Deleted message
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:59 AM
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189. Go back under your rock
you low-life creep! What a hateful, HATEFUL thing to say! And just what arm of the service did YOU serve in? I am speechless :puke:
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orangerevolution Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:13 AM
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190. I serve the Arm of Peace
And for the US to get out of Iraq.

Bush got us into this, WE need to get the US out!

What are you doing to end the war?

If calling someone what they are because they lack the courage to step away from an illegal war, then so be it. I can take the heat.
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Pappy Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:28 AM
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194. I'm with you Orange
Sorry for your loss buddy, but your brother knew what he was signing up for. What I can't stand is people signing up to go kill other people and then when it happens to them, they are "suddenly against the war", and see how wrong the whole thing is. I guess thats what it takes to wake up the blind. If you are smart and learn something from this you will never allow another person in your family to join the military and be swindled by an aristocrat like Bush.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #188
196. He was 18 for crying out loud!
He was just a kid, and he was killed in a senseless war. How dare you post something so mean and insensitive to a grieving brother?! Have you no honor or decency?

You know, I have never heard that crap at any peace rally I've ever been in. Not once. All I've ever heard is that we need to bring the troops home now, not that the dead got what they deserved. That's disgusting.
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orangerevolution Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #196
198. There is no Honor or Decency in an Illegal War
The sooner we get the US out of Iraq, the sooner we can go back to the lives we had that didn't require us to take such steps to protect 18 year old children.

When you said you have been in a peae rally, you really meant it. Nice and peacefull!
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #198
199. So, you don't have to act honorably?
That's not how I was raised, sorry. I was raised to believe that we need to treat all with respect and act with honor, even if those we disagree with don't. It's called rising above the fray.

What are you saying about peace rallies? The ones I've been to have been run by pacifists, so yeah, they've been peaceful. You know that non-violent protest idea that Gandhi liked so much? It works.
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orangerevolution Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #199
204. Where is our Ghandi?
Have you seen anyone with his abilities? I haven't. Staging sit-ins worked in the 1960's. People today expect something different. That leaves the other alternative of speaking out forcefully when no one is watching so we will be heard.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #204
218. Yes, because speaking out forceably in US history's always worked.
It worked for the Whisky Rebellion--oh, wait, no, it didn't. It worked in the Hoovervilles in Washington DC--oh, wait, no, it didn't work then, either. It worked for the Black Panthers--oh, wait, no, it didn't. Hmm. I can't think of a single instance other than the Civil War that cost so many American lives where violence actually did anything.

Women got the vote without violence (though a lot of violence was done to them, that's for sure). African Americans got equal rights to vote and live in the 50's and '60s (though that's still obviously a work in progress) without violence. Teens got the right to vote at the age of 18 without violence.

Just because we have many leaders now doesn't mean hearts and minds aren't being changed. We're going to win the next election, and then, when we have the power, we'll see change.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #196
217. This post is bogus
go to icasualties and see no 18 year old killed when he said so.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #217
219. So, does that negate the fact that 18 y.o. kids have been killed?
I've seen the questioning, and while I prefer not to question the OP, simply because then it turns into a he-said, she-said argument, it doesn't change the fact that others have lost brothers over there. Brothers, husbands, fathers, mothers, sisters, wives--all dead for a senseless war. That hasn't changed.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #219
222. Not at all
but being duped like this has the freepers rolling on the floor. Please think about blind faith because someone says they dig the "Rock Star" that is going to get the troops out in 16 months or more yadayadaaa
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #222
224. What do I care what they think?
And where did I say I was an Obama supporter? I voted for Kucinich.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #224
225. You shouldnt and if you aren't then disregard. See life is simple. n/t
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 09:28 AM by LibFromWV
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:15 AM
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191. With a few family members also serving in Iraq I fear
greatly the thought that someday I might be posting to DU a similar post. I don't want that to have to happen to anybody. Our forces accomplished their mission as far as I am concerned and need to come home now.

I will pray for you and your family.
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orangerevolution Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #191
193. If the Illegal War was the Mission
then Bush accomplished it alright.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:19 AM
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192. I am so, so sorry.
My condolences to you and your family.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:31 AM
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195. My condolences. . .
. . .when his obit is posted I would like to read about him.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:13 AM
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197. What can one say - Heartfelt sorrow for your family. As one great General once said in 1961........
(I believe the U.S. needs a strong Military but not a private run Military that takes the money and runs!)

Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

President of the United States (and former General of the Army) Dwight D. Eisenhower later used the term in his Farewell Address to the Nation on January 17, 1961:

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence economic, political, even spiritual is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.


...........

More at this link:

http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com /

I stand with you!

Mom of 2 Vets and Wife of Viet Vet.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:38 AM
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200. God, I am so so sorry. There are NO words.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:38 AM
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201. Oh, no. I am so sorry.
All of my thoughts and prayers to your family during this awful time.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:40 AM
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202. I am so sorry.
For the millions of dead, maimed, bereaved and paupered people, and for the thousands trapped in the goddamned war, let's end it. Keep demanding it of *, demand it of our Democratic nominee, and even demand it of President McCain, if we have to. Do not rest until it's over, and then do no t rest until we prevent the next useless war-for-profit.

AJ, I'm sorry it's been so deadly for you and yours.
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sdfernando Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:28 AM
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203. It is heartbreaking to read this.
I'm so sorry for your loss! I'm a grown man in my 40s and don't often cry, but man, the tears flowed when I read your post. So many YOUNG lives wasted!

My very deepest condolences to all of your family!
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Redrover666 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:31 PM
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206. Taking a stand
I am sorry for your loss. The pain you must be in is hard to imagine.

Might I ask a question? Since you rightly feel that this war is profoundly wrong and that both civilians and soldiers are dying senselessly... why have you not resigned? You are a young man, have a college degree and don't agree with the war. I don't understand why you haven't been open about this, particularly since you feel it is morally wrong. The USMC doesn't prosecute people for expressing disagreement. They won't promote you, they won't make you lead Marines into combat, they won't let you retire. But that oughtn't to be a concern, you rightly don't embrace what they are doing.

Take a stand! Tell us your brother's name so that we can send cards and flowers. Surely the continued loss of thousands of lives in Iraq is worth standing up and being counted and heard. It will help you to heal and help to expatiate the horror that you must feel inside knowing that you have unwillingly participated in this carnage but can help to do something to stop it now. You can wash the blood from your hands!

You can quit the Marines right now with few if any repercussions and make your case to the American public.
You can show the Marines and the world that like any good Marine, you have the courage of your convictions.

DO IT FOR YOUR BROTHER!!

Semper Fi Marine

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Redrover666 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:40 PM
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207. Taking a stand
I'll keep my eye on this thread. Please let us know as soon as possible your brother's name, unit and rank.
Talk's cheap... and I know that most people on this thread want to show their support and appreciation in a tangible way.

Thank you for your service

Semper Fi Marine
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Redrover666 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 05:02 PM
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208. Sorry again
You know the other thing that really bothers me too, Marine.
This damned tragedy happened less than thirty days after you, a Republican,
registered here. That is a horrible coincidence but I'm glad that you were
part of this family when this tragedy struck your family.

I have two sons in Iraq. One in the Marines, one in the Army.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:56 PM
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210. I am so awfully sorry for your loss - and so DAMNED ANGRY
Sending prayers and thoughts your family's way. I can't imagine how you must feel right now.

I have been sitting on the fence and finally decided to support Obama in the last few weeks. I really believe he is a man for our time and that the country would be infinitely poorer if we do not elect him President.

Thanks for this thread - I will be sending it to my Republican relatives and asking them to at least THINK about what is being done in their names.

Bless you and your family.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:58 PM
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211. does...does anyone else see a face...in that image...
or is it just me? :scared:
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Redrover666 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:11 AM
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212. Taking a stand
I am sorry for your loss. The pain you must be in is hard to imagine.

Might I ask a question? Since you rightly feel that this war is profoundly wrong and that both civilians and soldiers are dying senselessly... why have you not resigned? You are a young man, have a college degree and don't agree with the war. I don't understand why you haven't been open about this, particularly since you feel it is morally wrong. The USMC doesn't prosecute people for expressing disagreement. They won't promote you, they won't make you lead Marines into combat, they won't let you retire. But that oughtn't to be a concern, you rightly don't embrace what they are doing.

Take a stand! Tell us your brother's name so that we can send cards and flowers. Surely the continued loss of thousands of lives in Iraq is worth standing up and being counted and heard. It will help you to heal and help to expatiate the horror that you must feel inside knowing that you have unwillingly participated in this carnage but can help to do something to stop it now. You can wash the blood from your hands!

You can quit the Marines right now with few if any repercussions and make your case to the American public.
You can show the Marines and the world that like any good Marine, you have the courage of your convictions.

DO IT FOR YOUR BROTHER!!

Semper Fi Marine
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:31 AM
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213. I do not see ANY 18 year old listed on the
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 08:05 AM by LibFromWV
Casualty web site for the time frame he says . i AM CALLING BS on this and shame on all the Obama people that are being duped by this guy and your candidate.

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releas...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:37 AM
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 08:22 AM
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223. Thank you so much for the link to the fallen patriot fund.
Since I support Obama already, I will be glad to contribute to the fallen patriot fund.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:24 PM
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228. You have been outed. You should be ashamed of yourself.
This is a totally false post. The last 18 year old was killed in August, 2007. We have no troops in southern Iraq (or American contractors for those who tried to give him that out). Everyone who posted here with their condolences were taken for suckers by the OP. He should be banned from DU. I knew this guy was never in Iraq himself because of the terms he used in the OP. I doubt he has ever seen someone from the military let along be a "Captain". What bullshit.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #228
229. And still the account is active. Was it because he was an Obama shill? n/t
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:05 PM
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231. Is there anyone that can verify
this? Or are you guys swallowing it because he is a "convert"? I do not see an 18 year old death any where during that time frame.
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Redrover666 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:44 PM
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232. This bogus thread
I couldn't agree more with your assessments. Apparently my sarcasm was less than subtle. As a lifetime democrat and retired/disabled First Sergeant, I can tell you this crock jumped off the page. This thread has been being used as an example on a Huffingtonpost thread as evidence that bereaved relatives support the use of the images of their dead family members to take a pot shot at our idiot president. In fact, it was the only example anyone could come up with. You would have to search very very very hard to find a vet or family member that would appreciate seeing his dead blood relative's image used without permission, to make a political statement. Period. I don't like the war or the president, but I don't think the montage is an appropriate way to say it. Not unless of course, you have the huevos to ask the dead kid's mom and dad how they felt about it first.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 02:50 PM
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237. Kick for fraud and being allowed to stay as a poster. n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 03:03 PM
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239. I am so sorry for your loss, deadlyaj. I hate this fucking war!!!!
I am truly so sorry you have lost your little brother. This is so goddamned wrong!

We must do all we can to end this war and bring our soldiers and Marines home. This has to end.

Your mosaic is heartbreaking. I am so sorry. :hug:

And I will donate again to day to Obama as you requested. I'm doing it in honor and respect for your little brother.
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