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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:14 PM
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Three Myths About the Democratic Race** Cliff Study Notes for Obamamaniacs**
MYTH: Barack Obama is running a positive campaign that will unite Americans.

FACT: Barack Obama and his advisers have conducted a divisive "full assault" on Hillary's character.

While talking a lot about the politics of hope, change and unity, Sen. Obama and his campaign have been conducting a relentless and singularly personal assault on Hillary's character. They have blanketed big states with false negative mailers and radio ads and have described Hillary and her campaign as "disingenuous," "divisive," "untruthful," "dishonest," "polarizing," "calculating," "saying whatever it takes to win," "attempting to deceive the American people," "one of the most secretive in America," “deliberately misleading,” “literally willing to do anything to win,” and “playing politics with war."

This "full assault" on Hillary's integrity and character has reached a new peak since Hillary's victories on March 4th. One of Sen. Obama's top surrogates equated President Clinton with Joe McCarthy; another called Hillary a "monster;" and his campaign manager held an angry conference call claiming that Hillary is "deeply flawed" and has "character issues." That's neither unifying nor hopeful. If Sen. Obama really is the prohibitive favorite some say he is, these negative attacks make absolutely no sense. Why would a frontrunner seek to attack and divide? If Sen. Obama can't unify Democrats in a primary, how can he unify Americans in a general election?

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MYTH: The delegate "math" works decisively against Hillary.

FACT: The delegate math reflects an extremely close race that either candidate can win.

"The Math" is actually very simple: with hundreds of delegates still uncommitted, NEITHER candidate has reached the number of delegates required to secure the nomination. And EITHER candidate can reach the required number in the coming weeks and months. That is indisputable. No amount of editorials, articles, blog posts, charts, graphs, calculations, formulas, or projections will change the basic fact that either candidate can win. Pundits who confidently proclaim that Hillary has no hope of winning because of "the math," have counted Hillary out of this race three times before. Each time they based their sober assessments on 'facts' and 'realities' -- and each time they were wrong.

In a campaign with dozens of unexpected twists and turns, bold prognostications should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism. Look no further than Sen. Obama's "full assault" on Hillary's character to judge whether he thinks this election is over. The fact is this: Hillary and Sen. Obama are locked in a very close, hard-fought campaign and Hillary is demonstrating precisely the strength of character required of a president. Her resilience in the face of adversity, her faith in the voters, her capacity to rise to every challenge, are part of the reason she is the best general election candidate for Democrats. And it is why she is increasingly strong against John McCain in the polls at the same time that Sen. Obama is dropping against Sen. McCain.

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MYTH: For Hillary to win, super delegates must "overturn the will of the people."

FACT: The race is virtually tied, the "will of the people" is split, and both candidates need super delegates to win.

The Obama campaign and Sen. Obama's surrogates have engaged in a sustained public relations effort to convince people that the election is over and that if super delegates perform their established role of choosing a candidate who they believe will make the best nominee and president, they are somehow "overturning the will of the people." They have the audacity to make this argument while quietly and systematically courting those very same super delegates. They are courting them because they know that Sen. Obama needs super delegates to win. The Obama spin is being parroted daily by pundits, but it is patently false. The race is virtually tied; the "will of the people" is split. By virtually every measure, Hillary and Sen. Obama are neck and neck -- separated by less than 130 of the more than 3,100 delegates committed thus far and less than 1% of the 27 million+ votes cast, including Florida and Michigan. Less than 1%.

An incremental advantage for one candidate or the other is hardly a reason for super delegates to change the rules mid-game. Despite the Obama campaign's aggressive spin and pressure, the RULES require super delegates to exercise their best independent judgment, and that is what they will do. Even Sen. Obama's top strategist agrees they should. If not, then why don't prominent Obama endorsers like Senators Kerry (MA) and Kennedy (MA), and Governors Patrick (MA), Napolitano (AZ) and Richardson (NM) follow the will of their constituents and switch their support to Hillary? After all, she won their states. And if this is truly about the "will of the people," then Sen. Obama's short-sighted tactic to run out the clock on a revote in Florida and Michigan accomplishes exactly two things: it disenfranchises Florida and Michigan's voters; and it hurts Democrats in a general election. Apparently, for the Obama campaign, the "will of the people" is just words.

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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:16 PM
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1. MYTH: Your post is Helpful FACT: its lame
Boy dont even know where to start so I wont
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:47 PM
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16. Obama and Clinton are separated by less than 1 % of the 27 millon+ votes cast
The race is virtually tied; the "will of the people" is split. By virtually every measure, Hillary and Sen. Obama are neck and neck -- separated by less than 130 of the more than 3,100 delegates committed thus far and less than 1% of the 27 million+ votes cast, including Florida and Michigan. Less than 1%.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:51 PM
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17. That's because you don't know
anything...so don't start talking about a subject you know nothing about.

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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:16 PM
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You know what happens to students who use Cliff Notes as a substitute for the real thing?
They flunk the test, time and again. That should tell you something about your POV.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:11 PM
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37. I lived through college and high school on Cliff's Notes.
Magna Cum Laude.

So there.

Bake
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:16 PM
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2. Hillary has to win well over 60%+ in every race...
from now on out to pass Obama in pledged delegates.
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mathewsleep Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:23 PM
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8. 64%
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:25 PM
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9. Oh, cool, the situation is better that I thought! n/t
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 06:57 PM
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25. Yep. 64% and RISING. nt
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:16 PM
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3. Let me be the first to K&R this reality break.
:thumbsup:
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:17 PM
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4. FACT: This is going to sink
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:32 PM
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13. FACT: Thanks for the kick. Come again!
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:37 PM
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14. Thanks for the kick. Please come again.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:10 PM
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35. no, it's not.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:20 PM
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5. K&R
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 06:58 PM
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26. Is this part of your 'spam plan' from CH? nt
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:08 PM
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32. It's all part of my nefarious plan
to kick threads I agree with,

:shrug:
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:21 PM
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6. K&R
:kick:
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:22 PM
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7. K&R nt
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:25 PM
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10. kick and rec
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:26 PM
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11. ''including Florida & Michigan'' didn't Hillary agree to pull out of those?
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:52 PM
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19. she agreed not campaign...BHO DID campaign in Florida anyway
I have a link if you need it. the day after he signed a pledge too.


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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:00 PM
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27. No he ran a national ad and there was no way of making it not appear in Florida, as well
He also got the permission of the state party chair of the only remaining early state (South Carolina) to do so. The DNC said it was fine. Obama followed the rules.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:11 PM
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36. LOLOLOLOL, i didnt know that... i would love the link.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:29 PM
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12. kick
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:42 PM
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15. Interesting post - thanks. nt
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:52 PM
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18. I want a President who is tough as nails and really knows her stuff!
I started the primary season as an Edwards supporter. But when I realized Edwards wasn’t going to win, I started looking at Barack Obama. That was when I discovered that Obama didn’t seem to have any ideology to speak of and wasn’t into sharing details about his proposed programs. He was for “hope” and “change.” Like a lot of other people, I wanted more information about what “change” Obama was offering and how he would accomplish it. Very few of his supporters seemed to be able to verbalize what this “change” would be either. It also made me angry that Hillary was being attacked in such sexist ways by the Obama Campaign, the big bloggers, the media. Being a contrarian at heart, I took a closer look at Hillary Clinton.

I had watched all of the debates, and even while I still supported Edwards, I had developed a lot of respect for Hillary’s intellect and her knowledge base. I admired the way she had all the issues down. She could talk extemporaneously about almost anything. Each time I listened to Hillary, I was impressed with her fluidity of speech. When she confronted an issue, the words just flowed out of her, confidently, clearly, and concisely, and directly to the point.
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 06:09 PM
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20. I was an Edwards supporter too and
decided to support Hillary because I think she's closer to Edwards on the issues that are most important to me -- and closer to Edwards in general actually. I also think she would stand a better chance at beating McCain because she is more experienced than Obama.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 06:17 PM
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21. Glad to see someone developed Cliff Notes
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 06:18 PM by susankh4
for the intellectually challenged amongst us.

K&R :kick: :yourock:
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 06:48 PM
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22. where is this from? n/t
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 06:55 PM
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23. Thanks for an excellent post.
However, I would like to point out that using the term Obamamaniacs will cause many people to not even bother to read this post.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 06:56 PM
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24. Hi Newbie...
... your tactics are recognised for what they are.

Hope you actually stick around DU after the Primary season. :hi:
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:01 PM
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28. Will be working for Hillary’s Presidential campaign
:-)
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:01 PM
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29. K&R
Thanks for posting this, and a kick to keep it going.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:05 PM
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30. Isn't Hillary liked by many for being a fighter? Hasn't her campaign used the Kitchen Sink strat?
They've certainly said the latter. She also has been reluctant to release her White House papers and Tax Returns for 2006. Isn't that secretive? In particular, there is no reason to delay on that tax return. Mark Penn is in her employ, and don't many Hillary supporters hate that guy? Doesn't keeping him in such a prominent position (to say nothing of in the campaign) say something about her judgment/decision-making?

I guess my question, is do you not think these are valid complaints or do you thinking pointing out this problems is negative campaigning? (Feel free, upon responding, to add in other issues to discuss to this list, but I'd like a response just regarding the points I mentioned above first, if you would).
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:06 PM
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31. Fact: You wrote a divisive negative post
to complain about Obama supporters being divisive and negative.... ..... ..... ..... :rofl:
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:10 PM
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34. Is pointing out that Obama leads by under 1 % of the 21 million ++ votes negative ?
I think not :-)
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:09 PM
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33. Superdelegates can overturn the will of the pledged delegates but it could be messy
Granted it is completely unprecedented so we really don't know what will happen.

I will tell you that if party leaders like Nancy Pelosi are saying that the super delegates need to follow the will of whoever has the most pledged delegates nationally, that might be something to take under consideration.

And Obama's argument is not that super delegates should go with their states but with whoever has the most pledged delegates nationally. There is no hypocrisy in that argument. His interpretation of will of the people is whoever gets the most pledged delegates nationally. If your interpretation is that we should break it up into states, that's fine, you are free to disagree with him.
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:17 PM
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39. Video*30* retired Admirals & Generals who believe Hillary would be the strongest Commander-in-Chief
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:14 PM
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38. i think you're a
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 07:15 PM by LordJFT
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:25 PM
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40. FACT: You plagerized your OP from Huffingtonpost.com
unless your name is Peter Daou.

FACT: Unless you are Peter Daou, or have express written permission from Peter Daou, you are in violation of copyright law.

FACT: Untill you cut the article down to 4 paragraphs or less and link to site of origin, you are in violation of DU rules.

FACT: Deliberately cutting and pasting work and passing it off as ones own is unethical and well, just fucking smarmy wrong.

Links to word for word article, and to another copy of the article posted yet again, without accredidation, at democrats. org.:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-daou/three-myths-ab...

http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/lynnmastra...
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:34 PM
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41. Fact: This is information posted on the official HRC blog for campaign usage
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 07:36 PM by chocome
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:49 PM
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42. FACT: You violated DU rules by claiming the post as your own.
Shame on you for attempting to pass off someone elses hard work as your own.

Learn the rules if you plan on staying long at DU.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:54 PM
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43. Myths and realities - a guide for the terminally obtuse
MYTH: Barack Obama and his advisers have conducted a divisive "full assault" on Hillary's character.

FACT: No he didn't, he did what all politicians do he has questioned her transparency and her tactics. The fact that his questioning has uncovered the corrupt, "misspeaking" slime machine that is the Clinton campaign is entirely due to her. The fact she is scared to release her tax returns prior to 2007, that she cannot manage her money, that she hires real traitors to the Democratic Party (like James Carville) or Republican Party operatives (like her campaign manager), that she has no ability to plan for emergencies; all of this is her own responsibility. Calling her a "monster", or saying that she is "deeply flawed" after her crude, vindictive attacks on Wright and Obama's religion, her barely concealed racial attacks (mouthed by her husband, probably with her consent) is mild with what normal decent humans would call her.

+++++++++++++++

MYTH: The delegate math reflects an extremely close race that either candidate can win.

FACT: If Hillary can pull in 70% or more of the vote in every state except NC then she looses the Committed delegate count. If she PA goes 50/50 (likely because she cannot afford advertising) and NC goes 55/45 Obama she cannot win at all

+++++++++++++++

FACT: The race is virtually tied, the "will of the people" is split, and both candidates need super delegates to win.

Hey, something we almost agree on! Except that Obama is - errrrr - leading, in delegates, in the popular vote, in states won. So superdelegates, would have to go against the expressed will of the Democratic Party voters. Mind you the supers appear to be going to Obama in ever increasing numbers - but they are all "Benedict Arnolds" and "Judas'"
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:57 PM
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44. Locking
Please read DU's rules regarding copyright.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detai...
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