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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:45 PM
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Key Obama Adviser Invokes 'Monica's Blue Dress' When Assailing Bill Clinton's 'Patriotism' Comments
Gordon Fischer, the former director of the Iowa Democratic Party and a senior adviser for Sen. Barack Obama's efforts in the Hawkeye State, is still very much involved in making sure Obama gets delegates as the caucus process continues.

He's also quite fired up about former President Bill Clinton's comments in front of a North Carolina VFW Hall, which the Obama campaign took to be an impugning of Obama's patriotism.

In his blog, Fischer writes:

"B. Clinton questions Obama's patriotism. In repsonse (sic), an Obama aide compared B. Clinton to Joe McCarthy. This is patently unfair. To McCarthy.

"When Joe McCarthy questioned others' patriotism, McCarthy (1) actually believed, at least aparently (sic), the questions were genuine, and (2) he did so in order to build up, not tear down, his own party, the GOP. Bill Clinton cannot possibly seriously believe Obama is not a patriot, and cannot possibly be said to be helping -- instead he is hurting -- his own party. B. Clinton should never be forgiven. Period. This is a stain on his legacy, much worse, much deeper, than the one on Monica's blue dress."

That's not quite the kind of comment that keeps with Obama's pledge to focus on policy differences instead of personal attacks, I think it's safe to say.

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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-iowa-co-c.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:47 PM
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:48 PM
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2. Bleh, stupid and unnecessary to have added that final part.
He had arguably viable points, why go and throw that crap in?
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:48 PM
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3. The chair of a caucus
that happened three months ago made a comment...on a blog...that has since been deleted.

I'm sorry, was there a story here or did I miss it?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:48 PM
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4. Where does Obama get his "advisors"?
From right wing web sites?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:48 PM
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5. That was a stupid, cheap shot
Out of bounds.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:48 PM
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6. A senior advisor in the state of IA with an opinion is not a campaign strategy
However, affairs may be something Bill also has in common with McCain besides there mutual patriotism
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:51 PM
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8. The point is he's directly affiliated with the Obama campaign and he was invoking the blue dress.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:52 PM
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10. The point is that your account is less than a week old and you're a freeper trying to stir shit....
....

:eyes:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:49 PM
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7. In all fairness, there was an apology.
True, it should not have been said as it was a typical RW talking point.
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:57 PM
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13. The "apology" trend not RW talking point but show the lack of ethics in Obama camp
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:07 PM
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17. Freeper...
Every thread you've started has been nothing but flame-bait. I can't wait until they toss your ass out of here.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:07 PM
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18. Talking about 'ethics'

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:52 PM
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9. Plenty to go on without going into the land of idiocy
So don't go there.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:55 PM
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11. Read the updates.
UPDATE: Fischer writes to say, "On my individual blog, I made a stupid comment. I sincerely apologize for a tasteless and gratituous comment I made here about President Clinton. It was unnecessary and wrong.

"I have since deleted the comment, and again apologize for making it. It will not happen again.

"I hope my readers will accept my apology and we can move on to the very important issues facing our state and country. Thank you."

UPDATE 2: Obama spox Tommy Vietor writes, "As Senator Obama has said repeatedly, comments like this have no place in our political dialogue and he strongly rejects them.”

Vietor also says that Fischer was not a co-chair, though he's been identified as such, as well as an
adviser, someone who organized Iowa for Obama, etc. etc. So I changed his label to "key adviser." The point is he's directly affiliated with the Obama campaign and he was invoking the blue dress.


Talk about witch hunts!

When is the media going to cover Hillary's imaginary sniper incident?






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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:09 PM
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20. Thanks! How long ago was the update? The person who posted OP joined 5 days ago.
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 01:09 PM by redqueen
:think:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:55 PM
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12. That's not an attack. That's a COUNTER-attack.
In response...an Obama aide compared B. Clinton to Joe McCarthy. This is patently unfair--to McCarthy.

If the Hillary camp wants fewer personal attacks, it should stop provoking them.

:rofl:
rocknation
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:05 PM
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16. Beat me to it...
Yeah Obama get's attacked, one of his staffers counters, and it's Obama who's running the negative campaign... I think I got it now :eyes:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 12:58 PM
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14. Before we bash Obama for Gordon Fischer's idiocy -
Let's remember that Gordon initially endorsed Tom Vilsack and predicted his presidential victory.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061113151742/http:/www.iowatrueblue.com/ (third post from the top)

*sigh*

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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:02 PM
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15. No story here
since it happened some time ago, has long been deleted. And the person responsible had apologized...Muck racking on a Monday afternoon. Seems there is nothing better to post about?

We just hit 4,000 needless deaths of our own, in a country we had no business being in. Lets concentrate on what is important. We have a candidate to nominate, and we have to win the General Election. So many lives depend on it.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:08 PM
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19. Unfair to McCarthy.. OMG that is a good one.... I do prefer the term Carvilleism though.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:14 PM
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:17 PM
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22. Obama's aide said that? Obama's Pastor said this.
Why isn't Obama speaking for himself? Did an aide also say Obama was under a sniper attack? :rofl: :rofl:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:19 PM
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23. If you don't think the GOP is going to bring up the Clinton scandals, you are very naive
I'm going to quote Hillary supporters: It's better that this happen in the Primaries instead of the GE.
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