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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:55 PM
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Poll question: If it came down to Gep or Bayh who would you prefer?
Put aside your favorites and lets say it was Gep or Bayh--which one would you prefer?

I'd have to go with Gep on this one.

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:56 PM
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1. THIS WOULD BE INSANE. NEITHER ONE IS ACCEPTABLE.
I would still vote for Kerry but it would be really STUPID for him to select either one. Any enthusiasm I have for him would go puff.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:25 PM
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9. Good think I don't let you make my decisions
I like em both. Bayh could help us win Ohio, which would lock up the election for us. Gephardt would win Missouri for us, which would probably lock up the election. They're both dedicated Democrats. I think any true Democrat would be proud to have either one on our ticket.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:35 PM
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16. Bayh wouldn't help in Ohio
Virtually none of Ohio gets Indiana TV. The part which does is very, very Republican. People in my part of the state couldn't pick the man out of a line up. Gephardt would actually do better here and even he wouldn't be too great.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:56 PM
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2. Whichever one polled better n/t
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:58 PM
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3. Not a fan of Bayh, but I really don't like Gephardt!
I don't think many other people in the US do either. How many times has he run for President????
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:01 PM
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4. twice
certainly not an excessive number.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:43 PM
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11. Oddly enough
Edited on Thu May-06-04 05:46 PM by Nicholas_J
Gephardts voting record has been rated as one of the most liberal in Congress.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:24 PM
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15. Again
Take a look at the records of John Edwards and Dick Gephardt.

Except for Edwards voting against keeping the SOcial Security lock box locked, they are virtually identical

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_Edwards.htm


http://www.issues2000.org/House/Dick_Gephardt.htm


ON top of this Vote Match categorizes both Gepahrdt and Edwards as being almost completely of the same political stripe, with Gephardt being Rated as a Liberal Populaist, and Edwards being rated as just slighlty more conservative as a Liberal Leaning Populist:

Gephardt:

http://www.issues2002.org/VoteMatch/candidate_map.asp?a...


Edwards:

http://www.issues2002.org/VoteMatch/candidate_map.asp?a...



The onlt real difference is the fact that Gephardt has years more political experience, more politicval connections within the region he has represented, and has far greater depth of knowledge about many of the issues that a vice president should have. Edwards campaign speeches revealed a lack of depth of knowledge in many critical areas of government, in particular foreign affairs and national security. Not to be unexpected, as he has net even served one term in Congress.

I like Edwards. He has shown a great deal of political courage on a number of occasion. I firmly beleive that Edwards will eventually be president of the United States. But I dont think he has the credentials for VP right now. He certainly does not have the ability to delive a large number of states. As the democratic nomination process has proven, this is not a popularity contest. Edwards is certainly popular. But has no political record and has not garnered political support among orhganizations that have traditionally supported democratic candidates. It is stated that no one sees Gephardt assisting Kerry winning states that he is not already going to win. SO far the region in which Kerry is string and does not need assistance is the Northeast. He is string there, and is string on his own. But in the Midwest, States which have been listed as securely blue have fallen into the "too close to call" range. while Wisconsin, which was too close to call, has just fallen into leaning towards Bush. In most of these states, Kerry is a few points ahead of Bush now, but he has lost the very large and comsfortable margins he had in places like Michigan where exactly a month ago Kerry had a ten point lead, Iowa where he had a ten point lead, Missouri, where Bush has a 7 point lead, Ohio, with Bush only 2 points ahead, and so on.

Lets look atr the South, where Edwards would be expected to be the draw to boost Kerry:

North Carolina, Bush has 7 points on Kerry, Alabama, Bush has 19 points on Kerry, In SOuth Carolina, the last polls had Bush with a 17 point lead on any Democratic candidate,Texas and Oklahoma, Bush has large double digit leads on Kerry,Tennessee next door to Edwards North Carolina, Bush has an 11 point lead on Kerry, Kentucky BUsh has a 16 point lead on Kerry, go stright North to Indiana, borderlin South/Midwest, Bush has a 15 point lead on Kerry.

Edwards simply might add some points to Kerry's polls in these state, but nothing like enough to boost Kerry into the lead in any of them.

Florida, Kerry won bigtime. Edwards didnt do well enough to influence much here, and Lieberman's support in the souith of the state has done more to firm up support for Kerry here. West Virginia, still leaning towards Bush, but a Kerry possibility still exists as its close.

The best shot is to go after those states that Kerry is ahead of Bush in, but are too close to tell, and to fight for those states in which Kerry is just barely behind Bush, like Ohio.

The odds are that Gephardt has more clout and political support though unions and other political organizations to pull those states towards Kerry. Certainly Edwards has no real clout in those areas. And can anyone see Edwards bringing that line of states from Alabama though Indiana, all in high double digits in Bushes favor,over to Kerry. That is a far longer haul and strategically less likely than it would be for Gephardt to bring Kerry up ine or two points in an industrialized, unionized state like Ohio, a state like Iowa, or Wisconsin.

WhileEdwards seems to be the popular choice, he is not likely the strategically logical choice, and a choice based on popularity,rather than strategy, can easily cost an election. Edwards did well in many areas while running for the democratic nomination, but the race against Bush will be a whole other ball of wax.

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:04 PM
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5. Bayh won't deliver IN or OH. Gep would get us MO
And I don't mean the Big Mo'--momentum. That is not Gephardt's forte'. Gep would likely get us one important swing state, Missouri.

Can't we run Sean Penn or something? He could diss' Cheney royally at the debates.
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alonso_quijano Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:06 PM
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6. As a proud Hoosier...
I'd prefer Gep over Bayh. Hell, I'd prefer Dick Lugar over Bayh.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:06 PM
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7. Rock. Hard place. Hard place. Rock. Please, please please dont' let it
come to that choice.

I'm abstaining from the poll. I truly can't decide who's worse.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:07 PM
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8. I like Gep's views better, but I think he'd be a drag on the ticket.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:41 PM
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10. Suicide n/t
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:45 PM
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12. Gep's better on education, trade, health care nt
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:46 PM
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13. Should Kerry shoot himself in the left or right foot?
What a choice to have to make! :puke:
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:15 PM
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14. I will say one good think about Bayh
He makes Gephardt look good.
:puke:

Imho, either has the ability to kill the ticket.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 07:48 PM
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17. Gep.
He can at least shore up unions and maybe help in MO.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 08:23 PM
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18. Hopefully...
it won't come down to that. We have many fine Democrats that are not shrub appeasers.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:33 PM
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19. Two bad choices
but Gephardt by a mile. Atleast he brings SOMETHING to the table. He'd do ok with the union vote and has a chance of bringing Missouri to the table. I still think it'd be a mistake to pick him.

Bayh however, just plain sucks. It's like giving giving the finger to every left leaning person in the party. It'd a major insult and a slap in the face. That too, he's boring and Indiana most likely wouldn't go for Kerry anyways.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:58 PM
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20. I go third party.
And I mean that in all sincerity. A choice between a backstabbing sellout and a neocon traitor is no choice at all.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:40 AM
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21. I prefer Kerry would pick Bayh
That way we are rid of that worthless piece of DINO shit, and our Governor Joe Kernan can appoint a real Democrat to replace him.
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