(Right Wing) Nat Review: More Medal problems. This may get some play

[Foswia]

National Reivew

The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

<snip>

What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.



This won't look good. I hope someone finds some money leading to this doctor.

[arcane1]

1. oh no, more critical info for the election!

:eyes:

as if 3 or 4 mm of metal is the most important thing going on right now... jeez... and it's not like Kerry issued the medal to himself!

and it's 3 or 4 mm more metal than Bush has ever had excracted in a war zone, if I'm not mistaken

I don't know why we waste our time on bs like this

[Foswia]

2. ah the charge was Kerry LIED to get the medal. Thats the issue [nt]

[arcane1]

14. and who is the nameless crewman who makes that claim

exactly

it's pathetic the way the American people will piss and moan over meaningless bullshit like this, but if you DARE to question Bush's military non-service, it's called mud-slinging

there is no issue here. Just a phony bullshit right-wing media moan-fest, just like their home-made ribbon "flap"

[emanymton]

3. Purple Heart Is Issued For Being Wounded In Combat Action

It does not depend on how dangerous the combat action was.

If you hurt yourself diving into a fox hole while dodging incoming artillery, you qualify to receive a purple heart. It is that simple. It is not a badge of courage.

[Foswia]

12. wow. other DU posters need to learn to say this instead of attacking NRO

Thanks

[TacticalPeek]

4. Poor Kerry. Didn't bleed enough for the chickenhawks.

:puke:

[tabasco]

5. Take your crap right wing links and haul azz.

Gee, how surprising the National Review is focusing on Kerry's war record instead of Shrubs.

[Foswia]

8. What a nice title you have. They will push this story, its better....

What a nice title you have. They will push this story, its better to know about it now.

The story is bull yes. Also check post history, i'm not a troll.

[flpoljunkie]

6. Why do you feel need to post this right-wing shit from National Review?

They are a right-wing rag! Don't do their work for them.

[Foswia]

9. Pathetic. I am not doing their work for them.

Check my post. DId i clearly state they were right wing? Yes. Did your post add anything to this thread? No.

I know they are right wing, if it gets play Kerry is in trouble.

[flpoljunkie]

13. You just gave it play, Foswia.

This kind of tripe--ignore it!

[Foswia]

Speak/hear/read no evil? Freepers don't go to DU for talking pts [nt]

[Monte Carlo]

19. We can just as easily go there if we wanted this stuff.

It's redundant and unnecessary on this web site. Vive le free market. Besides, this site wants to give that site as little attention as possible.

[Monte Carlo]

7. The odious source aside, this medic has a very, very good memory.

It has a precision measuring in the millimeters, and the ability to remember one specific shrapnel wound among thousands from 35 years ago. Simply amazing.

[Foswia]

10. Yes

I agree, this story is bull, but if it gets play i don't trust the American public to figure this out. Look at their beliefs about 9/11 and Iraq.

[Monte Carlo]

17. You can lead a horse to water...

... but you can't make him drink. You have to trust people to figure it out for themselves because its the only way. You can encourage them, but you can't force them.

EDIT: And they don't have any unified belief. It's a spread of ideas.

[Tim_in_HK]

23. My thoughts exactly . . .

This guy sure has a razor-sharp memory . . .

"Yes, yes, I remember, it was December 2, at Cam Rahn Bay, a man named Kerry, 3-4 mm, yes, I remember it well."

What a bunch of BS. In the hope of creating an airtight story, they made it a bit too clear for something that happened 35 years ago.

[displacedtexan]

11. "Shrapnel" by WL Ruffell

Shrapnel
WL Ruffell

Shrapnel, the best mankiller the Artillery possessed for over a century, was invented by Lieutenant Henry Shrapnel, Royal Artillery. Before its introduction in 1803 the Artillery defeated attacks by Infantry or Cavalry with 'canister' or 'case', a tin container filled with iron balls or bullets varying in weight from 57 to 142 grams each, according to the nature of the gun. When the gun fired the container burst open at the muzzle, releasing the balls which spread out with a shotgun effect. Up to 300 metres it was guaranteed to cause heavy casualties.

At longer ranges common shell, ie hollow cast iron spheres filled with gunpowder, were in use, but fragmentation was poor. They made a lot of noise but did no great damage. What Field Artillery needed was a long-range case shot.

Lieutenant Shrapnel reasoned that if a shell filled with musket balls could be made to release them above the enemy's troops, they would carry on with the 'remaining velocity' of the shell, spread out and hit anyone who happened to be in the way. If the point on the trajectory at which the shell burst was well chosen the balls would reach the target with lethal velocity. Recognition and utilisation of this principle has perpetuated his name among Gunners.

He first proposed 'spherical case' as he then called it in 1784, but the authorities took little notice. After all, he was only a Lieutenant. In December 1787 Shrapnel was able to demonstrate his principle before General O'Hara, Commander at Gibralter, using 8-in mortar shells filled with 200 musket balls mixed with a small charge of powder.

more...
http://riv.co.nz/rnza/hist/shrap/

[ezee]

15. When Shurb Boy

tells the world where he was when he was AWOL and why he didn't take his flight physical in order to fly after the hundred of thousands were spent to train the monkey, then we(Kerry) will have a reason to answer any allegations.
This type of crap is designed to take us off the bigger issue.

[Carl21014]

16. Kerry should just apologize for his wound being too small!

He could say, I'm sorry that my wound wasn't big enough for my opponent's liking. But when you consider Max Cleeland leaving three limbs in Vietnam wasn't enough for the chickenhawk crowd, I'm afraid even my death wouldn't be enough for AWOL George!

[displacedtexan]

18. Well said!

:yourock:

[VOX]

20. Irrelevant. Kerry **was** in Nam, getting shot at. Where was *?????

Oh, right -- no Viet Cong got past Alabama. :evilgrin:

[AP]

21. Only thing Bushed picked out of skin in 70s were zits.

Kerry still wins on this issue.

[mrgorth]

22. What a lousy thread

They will have no shortage of this shit. You shouldn't be surprised at all.