TYT: Different Standards for Black and White Preachers

[ihavenobias]

Different Standards for Black and White Preachers
By Cenk Uygur
www.theyoungturks.com

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/different-standards-for-b_b_92337.html

(I am posting an excerpt below. Please click the link above for the entire, *short* article in an easy to read format which also includes various hyperlinks that add to the peice.)

Rudy Giuliani's priest has been accused in grand jury proceedings of molesting several children and covering up the molestation of others. Giuliani would not disavow him on the campaign trail and still works with him.

Mitt Romney was part of a church that did not view black Americans as equals and actively discriminated against them. He stayed with that church all the way into his early thirties, until they were finally forced to change their policies to come into compliance with civil rights legislation. Romney never disavowed his church back then or now. He said he was proud of the faith of his fathers.

Jerry Falwell said America had 9/11 coming because we tolerated gays, feminists and liberals. It was our fault. Our chickens had come home to roost, if you will. John McCain proudly received his support and even spoke at his university's commencement.

Reverend John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the "Great Whore." He has said that the Anti-Christ will rise out of the European Union (of course, the Anti-Christ will also be Jewish). He has said all Muslims are trained to kill and will be part of the devil's army when Armageddon comes (which he hopes is soon). John McCain continues to say he is proud of Reverend Hagee's endorsement.

Reverend Rod Parsley believes America was founded to destroy Islam. Since this is such an outlandish claim, I have to add for the record, that he is not kidding. Reverend Parsley says Islam is an "anti-Christ religion" brought down from a "demon spirit." Of course, we are in a war against all Muslims, including presumably Muslim-Americans. Buts since Parsley believes this is a Christian nation and that it should be run as a theocracy, he is not very concerned what Muslim-Americans think.

John McCain says Reverend Rod Parsley is his "spiritual guide."

What separates all of these outrageous preachers from Barack Obama's? You guessed it. They're white and Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not. If it's not racism that's causing the disparity in media treatment of these preachers, then what is it?...(For the rest, please click here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/different-standards-for-b_b_92337.html)

[slinkerwink]

1. kicking

[CherylK]

2. Kicking AND Rec-ing, if that's even a word :)

[slinkerwink]

4. the double standard here is so clear

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. B..b..b..but Obama's pastor was his spiritual mentor for 20 years!!

That's why his association is much, much worse than any of those others!! :sarcasm:

Just anticipating the inevitable protestations from some so-called Democrats on this site. They'll be along shortly.

[goletian]

5. i think it has less to do with wrights race and more to do with obamas being virtually untouchable.

this focus on wrights comments to bash obama - comments which arent even offensive, imo - demonstrate the desperation people against obama are dealing with. obamas run a very good campaign.

[Vinca]

6. Not to mention Billy Graham, the spiritual counselor to many presidents,

on tape during the Nixon years making anti-semitic remarks. And, of course, you could write an entire chapter on former presidential candidate Pat Robertson.

[slinkerwink]

9. they get a pass from media because they're white

[goclark]

10. Right ~ the double standard is very telling

I'm still shocked about Hillary's Fellowship participation.

Have not heard a peep about it on the Media.

[OhioChick]

7. Ironic

How not even an eyebrow is raised regarding these other so-called spiritual advisors. Yet, Obama catches hell for his. Interesting, to say the very least. Double standard without a doubt.

K&R
:kick:

[slinkerwink]

11. yeah

[Name removed]

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[Froward69]

12. preaching politcs from the pulpit is wrong

no matter who does it. our fore fathers knew this, and this is why their is a "no religious test" clause in the constitution...


BTW thank you for the names of the GOP'ers they will come in handy when the Gop gets their spin machine up and running.

[City Lights]

13. K&R.

Great piece. The double-standard is sickening.

[Rainbowreflect]

14. K&R

:kick:

[shenmue]

15. Oh, bullshit. Lots of people think Rod Parsley is an asshole.

He is not getting a free ride. Stop with this "they're only mean to Obama" stuff.

The double standard is that you are not allowed to criticize Obama for being friends with Wright.

I repeat: Wright officiated at the guy's wedding. He was the man's pastor for many, many years. There is no way they were just nodding acquaintances and Obama only discovered this problem now.

Don't you just love the Obama supporter spin machine? They'll turn everything into somebody else's problem in a hurry.

It's racist to say anything bad about Wright! It's racist! Repeat until hoarse!

:eyes:

[ihavenobias]

24. A couple of things

First off, did the Hagee/Parsley stories get 1 TENTH of the coverage this is getting?

And yes, there IS an enormous difference between the situation of McCain compared to Obama:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5083427&mesg_id=5083427

[uponit7771]

16. K&R...THANK YOU, I've been tubing this point all day

[Texas Hill Country]

17. OH, bullshit... the difference between the relationship that Obama had with his preacher and any of

the others have with theirs is massive.

Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Parsley... all repugnant.

BUT, the pols dont have 20 year, sitting in the pews every week, he is my mentor relationship. It is, for the most part, a bullshit poltical arrangement.

ALSO, even Robertson had to apologize for 9/11... when is Wright?

[kwassa]

20. oh bullshit, and you have no idea of what that relationship was

you don't know if Obama was in the pews every week, and you don't know that the two video clips were in anyway typical of Wright's pastorship of UCC,and you can't even define what their so-called mentor relationship was. No one can. That doesn't prevent a zillion people from passing on judgment on something they know nothing about. Funny, in a way.

It is ALL SUPPOSITION. No facts, no knowledge, drawn from partisan beliefs and nothing else.

and I say this as a Hillary supporter.

[slinkerwink]

22. thank you for your post!

We need more Hillary supporters like you!

[kwassa]

26. I despise those who speak from ignorance ....

and also well-meaning but ignorant white liberals who don't realize how parochial their views really are, not to single out this noter. Most haven't walked in anyone else's shoes or known any life but their own.

They are judging something they aren't equipped to judge, because they don't have the experience. Most are doing it out of partisanship, but it comes across as near-racist, to me.

[uponit7771]

23. ...and Obama said he never heard the statements the statements Wright said. He doesn't LIVE at the..

..church and

[ihavenobias]

25. HUGE Difference

As I explained here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5083427&mesg_id=5083427

And here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x105850

[EFerrari]

36. Bullshit. You've no idea what those other relationships are.

And Wright has NOTHING to apologize for, especially around 9/11.

You should apologize to the six thousand people that you have been trashing here day after day for no good reason.

[uponit7771]

18. Kicking twice, this disparit treatment by the media is pissing me off

[navarth]

19. right fucking on. k&r n/t

[kwassa]

21. There is a giant culture gap between white and black American churches

that most whites have no experience with, the black church. It is a huge stylistic difference that those few whites on these boards that even attend church will not recognize, but will judge for being different than their own form of worship. Those who are anti-religious will judge it for merely being religious.

I've yet to see a piece about that.

[uponit7771]

27. RIGHT! Obama mentioned that yesterday that the last frontier of getting rid of racism in America is

...the worship services.

I go to a racially mixed church but it's predominantly black, I think we're moving ahead in these ares but we have a ways to go

[ihavenobias]

28. PS---Obama's Speech

Here is a link to TYT breaking down Obama's speech:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x107568

[CherylK]

29. Bump!

[ihavenobias]

30. Thanks n/t

[SeattleGirl]

31. Cenk got it right.

I have heard some of the most hateful, nasty speech from white preachers, and they pretty much always get a pass from the media, but not Rev. Wright, and I think it DOES come down to race. The white preachers stand at their podiums, speaking just as loudly as Rev. Wright, but that's apparently okay, because they are angry WHITE men.

Rev. Wright, however, is an angry BLACK man, and the mostly white media just cannot have that. Why, if that's allowed to go unchallenged, we might have an uprising here! All those black people expressing anger! Oh my gawd, that isn't to be allowed!!

Shit, I hate the double standards of this country.

[CherylK]

32. That is completely true

It is depressing. :(

[Cha]

33. I don't think much of

religion, no matter which one it is..but from reading all this it sounds like Pastor White is closer to the truth than all those other hypocritical hatemongers.

[ihavenobias]

34. I'm an agnostic myself

I don't necessarily care who they hang around with IF I believe they won't be influenced by garbage and BS beliefs.

As I've explained before, I don't see any negative way in which Wright would influence an Obama presidency. By contrast, I see a few *incredibly* negative ways in which the Hagees, Robertsons and Parsleys of the world *could* in fact influence a McCain presidency.

The best example of this is potential war with Iran. Not that they (Hagee, Rod Parsley, etc.) themselves would be the ones to push McCain into war, but they would be part of the coalition of special interests that would push McCain over an edge he's already dangerously close to.

[CherylK]

35. Bump!