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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:02 AM
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Why didnt Obama give this speech to Wright 5 years ago?
Instead he has him baptize his kids, gave him over $20,000 in donations, and appointed him to his campaign.

Obama's words were nothing more than words to save his campaign.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:06 AM
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1. You didn't actually see the speech, did you.
He kinda explained that.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:09 AM
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2. you explain..
..
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:16 PM
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49. Obama did confront Wright privately...
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 11:21 PM by backscatter712
Sorry, he didn't get that on tape, but after some of Wright's more divisive and hurtful sermons, Obama did speak with him afterwards and discussed his disagreements with him.

Why are Obama's actions bad again?
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:39 AM
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6. 20 years of actions holds more weight than a speech
But I will say Obama would make an excellent car salesman.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:08 AM
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10. Agreed
On both counts.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:23 AM
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29. Well, I saw the speech and agree with the post.
Standing up for what you believe to the people whom you like and love is difficult but necessary sometimes. The change that Obama touts must come from within. And he failed that test. BTW, I know the pundits say that anyone who does not love Obama's speech must surely be uneducated, but I am not. I get so sick of hearing that.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:18 AM
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3. Still Waiting For You To Explain What Wright Was Wrong
about.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:32 AM
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4. Nothing, thats why Obama gave a speech today and dropped him from his campaign
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:38 AM
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5. So You Can't Or Won't Answer A Simple Question
Interesting!
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:44 AM
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7. You're right, I wont
its only been said about ten thousand times. Obviously you agree that aids was created to wipe out the black race and all the other hate speech that was spewed.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:13 PM
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48. Tuskegee Study - They Did It Once. Why Shouldn't People
believe they might have done it again?
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:40 AM
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40. He is wrong for perpetuating hate
throughout his community, and pursuing radical view points that only serve to keep hateful emotions fresh in his community. He lives in the past, and anyone that would take their children to hear a nut case like that, is not in touch with personal responsibility.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:55 AM
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8. He didn't give the speech to Wright.
He gave it to the American people.

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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:47 AM
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12. Exactly the problem
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:26 AM
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19. Because...?
?
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:17 AM
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20. Because he didnt say a word to Wright for 20 years
and then makes this speech only when the whole shit house starts going up in flames.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:35 AM
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21. I see
So...to hell with America? We don't need to discuss race? We've got it all solved?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:37 AM
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22. To be fair...
...you have no idea what Obama may or may not have said to him. None at all.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:14 AM
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36. You have NO idea what he said to Wright in their 20 years of friendship
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:55 AM
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9. Family Guy sucks, and so does this post. n/t
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:13 AM
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11. yes, and what a save! hillary is again confined to the reality of her 2nd place finish.
too bad, so sad.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:51 AM
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13. Quite simply, because he's an opportunist and a fraud.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 04:58 AM by durrrty libby
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:23 AM
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28. Yes, Obama like Hillary thought this campaign would be over
by Feb 5th. If it had been, we would never have seen where Obama is coming from. Where his lifelong philosophical leanings lie in the deep, simmering resentment roiling in himself and his wife. Rev Wright speaks for Obama. He says the things Obama has keep sequestered from the public view all his life. Obama is an angry man who has waited a very long time to find a position of power to advance the AA community. I don't think Obama is representative of every AA not the ones who remember the racial violence we lived through. Not when this country has come so far due to the work of Civil Rights leaders who because of their love for the country, not just an ethnicity, in their wisdom sought peaceful resolution and advancement through the laws enacted by the Civil Rights movement.. Obama's agenda is setting a dangerous precedent threatening to undo all that those who have come before him have given their lives to create. To put it bluntly, Obama and Rev Wright are an insult to MLKjr, RFK, JFK and what they gave their lives for in the Civil Rights movement.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:09 AM
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34. What ignorance
You have no clue to what you are talking about. You really need to educated yourself and stop with this ignorance. You have no clue.

Now you are a mind reader and know his motivations.

You have no clue when it comes to issues of race.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:29 AM
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39. Today is March 19, 2008..
Do the math. If Obama had won the nomination in Feb, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Would we?

I am glad that Senator Clinton didn't give up on herself and US. She's fought her way back under the most debilitating circumstances and will eventually be the Democratic nominee who will beat the Republicans for the first time since her husband won the White House.

Thank You, Hillary!



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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:47 AM
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41. It wasn't Obama who thought this would be over on Feb. 5th
It was Hillary. You got that part mixed up.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:45 AM
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46. Of course he did..The only difference is he didn't run out of money..
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 11:47 AM by Tellurian
But he's running on fumes with his campaign strategy and got caught embracing a racist minister for the last 20 yrs.

Thank God, he wasn't awarded the nomination already. We'd be in deep sh*it right now against McCain and probably lose the election because of it!
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:20 PM
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47. Of course he didn't
There is no one on this earth that would have predicted that he would have won it all by Feb. 5. This is called projection, it was Hillary who said this.

It's not surprising that you think his minister is racist.

You may still lose the election with Hillary. If this board is an indication of the party many of you are too wimpy to know how to fight. You spend your time eating your own and whining and have no clue how to fight.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:34 PM
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51. Not only the minister, Obama is also a racist!
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:54 AM
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14. My sisters vote republican
Why didn't I disown them years ago. :eyes:
Thank you for adding nothing to the conversation.
And thank you also for adding to the negativity of this forum..
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:59 AM
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26. The difference is you don't
get to choose your sister.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:59 AM
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15. what a ridiculous post.
you hillary supporters are out of your freaking minds. I guess losing does that to some people.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:20 AM
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17. Whats ridiculous is people that don't question a damn thing about a candidate
This wasnt a civil rights speech, it was a campaign speech, and there was an agenda behind it. To be blind to the motive is beyond ridiculous.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:50 AM
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32. Alleged Hillary Supporters.
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anniebelle Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:18 AM
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16. Listening to Wright's speeches, I still don't get it.
I guess it's offensive to hear the truth thrown right in your so white face. I've lived in the South most of my 63 years and I'll have to say, I've heard that kind of hateful trash talk all my life from my white relatives that go to church every sunday, claim to be so holier-than-thou, give their money to their white preacher telling them they are the chosen ones. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:23 AM
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18. Yes, that's reasonable.
Obama, 2003: "Now Pastor, you see here."

{Insert 35-minute speech}

Eeeeeexcellent idea, that. :eyes:
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:50 AM
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23. once again we assume that he did not voice his feelings to wright.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:54 AM
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24. You have no idea what Obama may or may not have said to Wright in private
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:57 AM
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25. That's exactly what my dad asked
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 07:01 AM by leftynyc
He'll vote for for Sen Obama in the general but he said he knows a politician trying to save his ass when he sees one. Yes, it was a beautiful speech - one of the best I've ever heard - but this Rev Wright is just a left wing version of Falwell and those other clowns.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:01 AM
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27. The next primary is Pennsylvania. He gave the 'Big Speech" in Pennsylvania.
What, we weren't supposed to notice?
:eyes:
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:25 AM
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30. Why didn't I ignore you five minutes ago?
Ah well, that's a mistake I can actually fix.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:44 AM
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31. People announcing that they will ignore are the silliest little attention seekers
Is there an actual point to that?
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:02 AM
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33. Yes actually...
most rational people, if they find themselves on the receiving end of multiple ignores might question their tone and message to better accomodate conflicting points of view. And if they don't, fuck 'em. I'm not losing sleep over it.

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:13 AM
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35. That is a completely delusional statement but do enjoy
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:20 AM
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37. Because it's only this year that those few sound bites were brought to our attention...
...and he says he didn't hear them before. Presumably, he isn't in church every Sunday, and doesn't necessarily read all the transcripts.

That's a job for his political opponents, as they try to save their own campaigns.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:21 AM
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38. Why didn't say anything to Bill about Monica? Why didn't she disown and distance herself from him?
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 08:23 AM by EffieBlack
Oh, wait a minute. Maybe she DID say something to him, but it's none of our business what she has said to him in private. And maybe she decided that the good in him and in their relationship outweighed the bad and she wasn't going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Or is it that people have all kinds of reasons for making the personal choices they make and the fact that they don't kick people they know and love to the curb (including their husbands, who, unlike grandmothers and sisters, they DID choose) just because they do or say something wrong, even if it's REALLY, REALLY wrong.

I love the Clintons, I love Bill Clinton and defended him furiously during the impeachment mess. And I was and will continue to be the first to take issue with anyone who criticizes Hillary's handling of this matter, since none of have any right to judge the personal choices she has made. But I daresay that Clinton's tawdry affair with Monica and his subsequent efforts to cover it up did far more damage to this country than anything that Jeremiah Wright may have said.

It's obvious that there is NOTHING that Obama could do to satisfy you. If he had literally spat in Wright's face on national television and shouted "You are DEAD to me now, Old Man!" you STILL would have insisted that this wasn't enough.

Unless you're going to insist that everyone in this country - which would include you - must face down and then walk away from everyone we care about, regardless of our personal histories with them, because they may have done something wrong, you all need to get past this "Obama didn't go far enough to disown Wright" hypocritical crap.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:48 AM
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44. You're right, there is nothing he could say
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:49 AM
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42. *PLONK*
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:51 AM
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43. Agreed.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:52 AM
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45. Because he didn't have to save his ass over this five years ago
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:17 PM
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50. Because he sees the good in people
even when he disagrees with them.

Is this really such a hard concept to accept?
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