What the Heck is wrong with the DNC.... Where is DEAN?

[HopeforChange]

http://www.democrats.org/index.html

One of the greatest speeches in American History was made today on national TV. All the stations are discussing it. MSNBC says it is one of the greatest speeches since MLK's speech.

SO WHY IS THERE NO REFERENCE TO THE ON THE DNC WEBSITE. We should be proud of that speech.

Tell Dean to get a grip.

[chimpymustgo]

1. Yes, it was a great speech. But the DNC should stay out of it.

They have a few things they need to be working out right now.

[rox63]

2. Because the DNC can not promote one Dem candidate over another

They can't take sides until we have a nominee.

[kansasblue]

7. good job rox63

Wait til we have a nominee.

[Bluzmann57]

Well there is a race going on

And it wouldn't look good for Dean and the DNC to even look like they are taking sides. And if Obama's speech was published on the DNC website, there is little doubt that someone would gripe about it. "They are taking sides!" Sure as I'm sitting here, that would happen.

[damntexdem]

28. Well, they could also post a Clinton speech alongside it.

How about her speech at the time of the IWR? ;-)

[damntexdem]

30. [delete]

I keep getting the message that there was an error in posting, so I try again. Then I get a dupe.

[Bluzmann57]

3. sorry. posted twice

[DrDan]

4. Dean is not the great leader everyone hoped he would be

Look how he handled the Fl and Mich debacle - he just let time run out.

Now there will be an impact in the GE. I can't speak for Mich, but I certainly know plenty of voters in Fl that will now vote for McCain. Voter disenfranchisement is nothing to screw with.

[msongs]

6. umm Dean plays by the rules that FL and MI AGREED to follow

those state saps thought they were better than everyone and didn't have to honor their agreements. Look where it got them, if they had kept their original primary dates they would be HUGE PLAYERS this year.

Not Dean's fault at all.

Msongs

[DrDan]

12. sorry - I don't agree with how you are looking at it

the leaders at the DNC and the leaders at the state level screwed the voters. Both were power-grabbing.

And I think there will be repercussions.

The rule was grossly unfair - you should not screw with the voice of the voters for something over which they have no control.

my opinion - but it is one of the cornerstones of our party - everyone votes.

[JVS]

9. Dean stuck to his guns and showed that you don't fuck with the DNC!

[DrDan]

13. so it feels pretty good that several million voters were disenfranchised?

feels pretty good to you?

You know - those voters did not have control over those that decide to break the rule. They (we) were just the victims.

[JVS]

17. That was the doing of their state parties. If they had obeyed the rules, no problem

[DrDan]

18. you are a true blue Democrat

you should be so proud . . . screw them voters . . .

[JVS]

19. When push comes to shove, better FL and MI voters not be counted than the DNC be unable...

to maintain any kind of primary schedule because of insubordinate state parties.

If Dean had caved, there would be no way to create a primary schedule in the future,

[DrDan]

20. sure there would - everyone votes on the same day

and . . . I don't think we have heard the last of it . . . I think Dean will be scrambling to bring the whole debacle to a clean conclusion.

And that probably will take some real leadership - like from Al Gore or other truly effective leaders of the party.

just my opinion.

[JVS]

21. How can everyone vote on the same day if state parties will buck that to go first?

And that's even assuming that everyone voting on the same day is a good idea. I think everyone voting on the same day is a guarantee for the richest and most beltway established candidates.

Dean's actions were necessary to establish that breaking schedule has big consequences and won't be allowed.

[DrDan]

22. well I see no good reason to put restriction on the states anyway

let 'em decide when to have their primaries.

I do not think it will lead to the 2-year-in-advance leapfrogging as predicted. To put restrictions on these dates simply because of a couple of states that think they have the right to go first does not make any sense to me.

Either let the states decide - or it happens on one date for all.

[JVS]

25. Well the whole DNC does and they had an agreed on schedule and MI and FL broke with that.

[DrDan]

29. but to strip the voters of their voice was not right . . .

I will never buy an argument that voters should be disenfranchised due to the action of others

it was a crappy rule -

[JVS]

31. The state parties did that.

[Whisp]

23. talk to your party leaders and hammer on them.

It's their asshat fault this happened, not Deans.

rules are rules - I know it's a foreign concept since we've all been marinated in lies and half truths and cheating these past years, but I'm glad Dean is sticking to his guns so next round some state reps will think twice before doing dumb shit like this again.

[DrDan]

26. it is a ridiculous rule to start with

you don't put someones vote in jeopardy based on the actions of someone else . . .

one of our cornerstones is everyone votes - and that is non-negotiable - unless you lose your vote based on your actions like failing to register, committing a felony, etc

[Whisp]

27. it is not a ridiculous rule, there has to be some kind of

order of the process - you just want mayhem of willy nilly dates?. FL and MI (politicians) thought they were above the rules, but they are not. and looks like a court would see it the same way as Dean.

but if you want to change the rules, work on it for the next round, you can't play big-bawling-baby-in-the-playground and whine about it mid stream demanding a change.

[DrDan]

32. lets not get juvenile

I am suggesting that you do not take away the votes . . .

the voters had no control - and they lost their voice

that goes against the very foundation of the party

[Whisp]

37. maybe they should exercise that vote in another way

and kick the bums out of office that did this to them.

[DrDan]

39. unfortunately that does not solve the situation for the upcoming convention and GE

but it is probably a valid strategy long-term

[DrDan]

33. and . . . do not forget the role of the GOP-led Florida legislature

and Governor

[EFerrari]

11. The ball was in the States' court and they let it sit there.

Dean's not to blame for that. If FL is upset, they need to do something about their state party leadership.

[DrDan]

14. just saying that I think there will be an impact at the polls

I don't think you take away the voice of the voters and make any friends about it.

It was a stupid rule. It penalized voters for the actions of the party leaders. Just how would anyone know this would come about and how the leaders would react when put into their current positions. Lets be real here.

So the voters got screwed over actions they had no control over.

And they (we) are not so happy about it. I know a lot of voters that are extremely unhappy with the party right now. And they claim to be prepared to vote for McCain.

[EFerrari]

15. I'd be furious if I lived in Florida. But, I would have been furious

for a long time. It must get discouraging to stay active in state party politics.

[DrDan]

16. yeah - I was more active 4 years ago than I am now.

My part of the county was pretty weak in terms of party leadership. Hence the campaigning was not very effective.

[thoughtcrime1984]

24. So, people will vote Republican because

in large part, a Republican Governor caused the Democratic Party in Florida to be subject to the punishment of the DNC, which was known well before the action took place. Those who will vote Republican because Crist and Co. improperly moved the Primary date just do not make sense to me. I guess Crist is fooling some foolhardy Dems. They must be largely unprincipled Dems, to vote against their very beliefs just to spite a governing body- one that is in place to actually work in their best interest. The Republicans always win when we are not unified, and they will especially win if we do not consider the ramifications of our vote.

[DrDan]

35. let's not forget that one of our founding beliefs is that everyone votes

and that was stripped from Fl and Mich D's.

And yes - there definitely are D's that will vote for McCain based on being disenfranchised. There are several in the school where my wife teaches. And LTTEs suggest many more.

They feel the Dems have deserted them.

[thoughtcrime1984]

38. If any Dem votes Republican they might then get

the President they deserve. I would think they'd want to be better than they perceive the DNC to be. They gotta do what they gotta do, I guess. Wisconsin Dems will be fighting against a McCain Presidency, I promise you that.

[DrDan]

40. sure would be nice to have a party that would unify the Dems

everything we do has to be devisive it seems . . .

[madfloridian]

34. Hey, you sound like Steve Geller.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1910

[DrDan]

36. well . . .

there are other voters in Florida who are upset over this debacle as well - ones that see it differently than you do.

Sorry for the difference of opinion . . . .

[madfloridian]

41. I know that. But FL went along and voted for it 115 to 1.

All they had to do was vote against it. They were all in it together.

[madfloridian]

5. The DNC website only posts stuff about Republicans right now.

They do NOT take sides on the website.

[JVS]

8. Dean is obligated to be neutral, but when this primary is over I hope he lets rip

[redqueen]

42. Exactly.

How is this very simple explanation not blindingly obvious?

[JVS]

43. I must admit that it was only a few weeks ago that I knew that Dean's position obligates him to be..

neutral. Maybe some people still haven't learned.

Frankly, I'm surprised I have not heard more claims of partiality around here considering that the Clinton campaign has made no efforts to avoid crossing him with this whole FL and MI thing.

[better tomorrow]

10. hopefully he will make the prime time shows....