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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:51 PM
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Obama strikes me as far more presidential than Hillary Clinton does.
Obama seems more confident, composed and careful.

It's a shame the Clinton's didn't complain about the current Dem nomination system when they were winning back in 1992. Bill + Hill ran and won under almost the exact same system we have now, and they liked it well enough that they did nothing to change it at all even though they were instrumental in picking party leadership from 1992 until 2004

Now that Hill is losing big under that same system, suddenly she doesn't like it as much as she did.

Cry me a river, cry me a river, I already cried a river over you!

And I did. The Clinton years were hell for Democratic Party members across the country, save the chosen few who ran the party into the ground for 8-12 years.

i think we should atone for when African Americans only got three fifths of a vote and give them 2/5 more for an equal time period.

Wouldn't that seem fair?

I don't think Clinton or her supporters would find that fair, but such a scheme reminds me of the Clinton camps FL and MI fantasy. It's a contrived argument designed to benefit your candidate over my candidate.

The DNC, our elected central committee has been clear, consistent, and concise since long before the voting began that state Democratic Political Organizations who attempted to selfishly and unilaterally undermine the agreed upon plan of our elected Party Central Committee, the DNC, would face loss of seating of their delegates to the National Party Convention.

It's the DNC's job to co-ordinate the primaries, and the only tool they have to enforce compliance for the common good of the party is loss of delegates to the convention. So I salute the DNC for first establishing rules agreed upon by organized state parties and national candidates, and then enforcing those agreed upon rules.

As a citizen of Montana, I'm kinda pissed off at Michigan stepping all over Montana's and S. Dakota's "last in the nation" status through there selfish short-sighted attempt at personal political gain, but if that's when they can vote then OK. I wish they'd move it up or back a week though and leave us some political space.

The reason we have rules that we all agree to before the campaigns begin is to whatever degree possible to prevent chaos.

Chaos Clinton's Crazy Campaign
We don't need Chaos Clinton's Crazy Campaign creating chaos by litigating, protesting and nit picking every previously agreed upon rule.

Hillary's campaign has already run out of money once and required a self loaned infusion of 5 million dollars. That's crazy.

Hillary's crazy chaos campaign keeps putting out special perspectives on the election as to which state's votes count and which state's votes don't count, and even if leading in delegates is as important as leading in popular vote. As Clinton and her camp attempt to shape a perception out of thin air of how people should view a race that already has actual rules and political realities, it becomes clearer and clearer to people that crazy, Clinton, and chaos are pretty well intertwined.

Consistent rumors, off the record interviews, published first hand reports and on the record interviews with people close to the campaign paints a picture of constant chaos, bickering, infighting, incompetence and possibly corruption.

This atmosphere of constant catty contention is beginning to permeate the party.

What does that say about how Hillary would run the country? We don't need more chaos, we need less chaos. After 8 years of bush chaos we don't need more chaos. We don't need more hidden papers and more propaganda. We need less chaos, less drama.

Obama strikes me as the low-drama candidate left in the race. And he's winning in delegates, popular vote and states won, under the same system crash-cart Bill Clinton won under in 1992. Which led Hill to repeatedly float the Obama as VP to Hill balloon. You can't make up crazy like this folks. This is to-the-bone crazy.

Out with the drama, in with Obama!
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:52 PM
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1. Swell Post Yo!!!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:54 PM
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2. I certainly think her campaign is a mess.
And if by she's the nominee, I hope they get a much-needed influx of competent staff before going up against the GOP machine.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:56 PM
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3. I don't see that happening due to their arrogance /nt
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:56 PM
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4. I believe it all boils down to this very important factor.
He is a MAN. Since we've had no female presidents, it's a little difficult to know how a female president would look. But, I'm willing to bet she'll be a lot like Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:07 PM
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12. I sure hope she doesn't vote like she has as a senator....
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:00 PM
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5. And his campaign mirrors the way our nation SHOULD operate
from the bottom UP -- grassroots involvement, the PEOPLE calling the shots, not just the special
and moneyed interests. Clinton's campaign is run by highly-paid consultants and operates top-
down, in the kind of monarchical, close-to-dictatorship way our country has been governed for
the past 8 years ... and which we DESPERATELY need a change from.

During his campaign, Dennis Kucinich talked about a "People's White House." Considering that
Obama will be accountable to more than a million donors (large and small) who made his campaign
run, I think putting him there comes pretty close to achieving Kucinich's goal.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:01 PM
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6. Clinton's Campaign IEDs (Insinuations, Exaggerations and Distortions)
SNIP

"Which is why things have gotten so ugly lately. Once it became clear she could not beat Obama in a fair fight they switched tactics. IED's (Insinuations, Exaggerations and Distortions) are now the weapons of choice for the Clinton campaign. Hardly a day goes by now when one of these IEDs doesn't explode into the news.

"Is Obama a Muslim." Hillary was asked on 60-Minutes. "No. Not as far as I know," she replied.

BOOM!"

more here
http://www.alternet.org/election08/79869/
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:51 AM
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20. Yep, Hillary has become our party's political suicide bomber. It's like she's holding
the Democratic party hostage and is demanding and extorting the nomination or she will blow the whole thing up.

It's fast getting time to call the bluff. The party has to show it will be firm with political terrorists and deal with them in a forthright fashion. I think the party has done pretty well with this in terms of the FL and MI anarchist State parties, but it's fast getting time to collectively unplug Chaos Clinton's Crazy Campaign. And that's going to take the super delegates, a united front from the also rans, and a united front from the party leadership.

They can't really move en-masse to do it until the voting is done, but they are already lining up in prepartion to practice self preservation. They know the Clinton political bomb throwing endangers everyone in the party. And so do the Repos.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:02 PM
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7. I guess you missed Obama equivocating on Fox News on Friday
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 04:03 PM by Tarc
If this is an indicator on how he will handle tough questions;

http://youtube.com/watch?v=79JbkOG31sA

then the man is sunk. Softballs from Fox News shrubs will pale in comparison to what will come from McCain's camp. "If I had heard them repeated..." :eyes:
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:02 PM
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8. In A Knucklehead
sort of way. LOL

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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:05 PM
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10. and he STILL hasn't committed to the Sunday morning show.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:05 PM
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9. they're both presidential... just which kind of Pres?
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:06 PM
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11. Breaking: Obama Strikes Online Supporter
:spank:


K and R
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:08 PM
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13. Which side of the head did he strike you?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:14 PM
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14. K & R
:thumbsup:
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:25 PM
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15. The good news from Florida, as I interpret it, things stay as they are.
There will NOT be a re-vote, there will NOT be a mail-in, hell they lost over a thousand absentee ballots over on the west coast for this past election. Florida has all it can do right now to get their act together for November. Sorry Hill, things will stay the way they are and I will personally give my all to see that Nelson and that Wasserman-Schultz person are gone when they run again. Barack followed the rules, Hillary thought she could pull off a scam..didn't work.. See ya.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:19 PM
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16. HRC
Couldn't agree more. She is doing everything possible to poison the process, and it makes me sick. Enough already.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:39 PM
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17. K/R.
:kick:
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:39 PM
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18. kick
:kick:
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:02 PM
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19. Kick. n/t
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Joyce78 Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:59 AM
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21. I would like some answers as to why Obama first embraced
Rev Wright. I don't want the pat Obama speech ... I'd like to see reporters asking him why he was drawn to Wright. Why did he seem to endorse the rhetoric by having this man officiate at his marriage, baptize his children, and now lately be claiming to not have been in the pew when Wright was doing what he's always been doing.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:15 AM
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22. I like that Obama isn't freaked out by Wright, unlike your fearful chaotic reaction.
Before you whig out, I suggest you read up on churches, liberation theology, and their social justice movements faith based roots.

If Wright freaks you out, it doesn't mean Wright is a bad person. It means you are easily freaked out by a long time American tradition.

Breathe deeply, don't forget to beathe.

It will be good to have a president who doesn't forget to breathe. I think that in itself inspires confidence.

Out with the drama, In with Obama!
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