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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:40 PM
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Obama Rapid Response is ON IT! Response to Clinton attack today:
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 12:42 PM by FLDem5
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBKsT

During her speech today, Senator Clinton launched a false attack on Senator Obama’s position on military contractors. Below is a statement in response as well more information on Senator Clinton’s history on this issue.

“Proving once again that she will say anything to win an election, Hillary Clinton is attacking Barack Obama on an issue where he has led and she did nothing until her campaign fell behind. Senator Clinton did nothing when the use of contractors was expanded in the Clinton Administration, she did nothing when Senator Obama sent a bill on contractor accountability to her committee, and after more than four years of war in Iraq she claimed to not even know contractors were unaccountable even though she sits on the Senate committee that oversees them. For all her talk of Day One, it took five years on the Armed Services Committee before Hillary Clinton decided that she was shocked to learn about contractors that were used by the Clinton Administration, and whose abuses were reported year after year after year during the Iraq War,” said Obama spokesman Dan Pfeiffer.

Clinton Announced That She Was Cosponsoring Legislation To Ban The Use Of Blackwater And Other Private Military Firms In Iraq. Clinton announced that she has cosponsored legislation to ban the use of Blackwater and other private military companies in Iraq. "From this war's very beginning, this administration has permitted thousands of heavily-armed military contractors to march through Iraq without any law or court to rein them in or hold them accountable. These private security contractors have been reckless and have compromised our mission in Iraq. The time to show these contractors the door is long past due. We need to stop filling the coffers of contractors in Iraq, and make sure that armed personnel in Iraq are fully accountable to the U.S. government and follow the chain of command," said Senator Clinton.


CLINTON CLAIMED SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT BLACKWATER WAS GIVEN IMMUNITY FROM PROSECUTION

Clinton Claimed That She Didn't Know About A Provision That Gave Blackwater Immunity >From Prosecution In Iraq Because Of An Exemption Passed After The US Invasion. "Clinton was asked about a statement she made… when criticizing the Bush administration's conduct in Iraq. She said she hadn't known that Blackwater USA, the military contractor accused of killing more than a dozen Iraqi civilians last month, had immunity from prosecution in Iraq because of an exemption approved soon after the US invasion. 'Maybe I should have known about it; I did not know about it,' she said."

Ø 2004: Clinton Attended The Armed Services Committee Meeting Where Wolfowitz Testified on The Immunity Of Contractors—She Even Commented. On April 20, 2004, Clinton was listed in attendance at an Armed Services Committee meeting in which Paul Wolfowitz spoke of Order No. 17 saying, "Further, we have Coalition Provisional Authority Order No. 17, I believe it is, that goes into more detail about the rights and privileges and immunities that pertain to foreign forces providing for security in Iraq." Clinton responded on the subject of the military's role following Iraqi sovereignty saying, "I think that this is a serious issue, because it's not only the possibility that the definition will take on a life of its own, causing all kinds of unintended consequences, but that in fact the earlier questions that the chairman raised about the rules of engagement for our military and the authority that they have following this period of sovereignty, however one defines it, I think are going to be very sticky. And then you throw into the mix all these private contractors running around, heavily armed, I think it becomes even more of a challenge."

Ø 2003: Coalition Provisional Authority Declared Contractors Immune To Iraqi Law. Coalition Provisional Authority Order No. 17 ordered that "Unless provided otherwise herein, the MNF, the CPA, Foreign Liaison Missions, their Personnel, property, funds and assets, and all International Consultants shall be immune from Iraqi legal process." The order also stated Contractors shall not be subject to Iraqi laws or regulations in matters relating to the terms and conditions of their Contract… Contractors shall be immune from Iraqi legal process with respect to acts performed by them pursuant to the terms and conditions of a Contract or any sub-contract thereto."

WHILE CLINTON DID NOTHING, OBAMA SUBMITTED A BILL ADDRESSING CONTRACTOR OVERSIGHT IN FEBRUARY 2007 TO CLINTON'S COMMITTEE

FEB 2007: Obama Submitted a Bill to Make Contractors Accountable to Law—to Clinton's Committee. In February, Obama submitted "A bill to require accountability and enhanced congressional oversight for personnel performing private security functions under Federal contracts, and for other purposes." The act would clarify the legal status of contractors, subjecting them to the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act (MEJA) to ensure that all contractors working in war zones – regardless of contracting agency – would be held accountable under U.S. law. Passed in 2000, MEJA says that contractors for the armed forces can be prosecuted under US law for crimes committed overseas. However, because companies like Blackwater have contracts with the State Department rather than the Defense Department, the company is not technically subject to that law. Obama's bill would also require federal agencies employing private security contractors to report to Congress on the details of those arrangements, such as the total number and cost of contractors, the number of contractors killed or wounded, information about the military and safety equipment provided to contractors, and details of disciplinary action taken against contractors. The bill was read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services, which Clinton serves on.

OBAMA'S BILL IS THE CORE OF ACTUAL EFFORTS TODAY TO TRY TO FIX THIS PROBLEM, WHILE CLINTON ONLY HAS A 5 SENTENCE CAMPAIGN STATEMENT OF INTENT, ISSUED 5 DAYS BEFORE THE TEXAS PRIMARY

JAN 2008: Part of Obama Bill signed into law requiring new reporting on extent to which the United States relies on contractors. Section 863 of P.L. 110-181, the National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2008 includes reporting requirement on the extent to which the United States has come to rely on private security contractors. The rest of the Obama bill is subject to ongoing negotiations in the Senate.



WHILE OBAMA HAS NO TIES TO THE PRIVATE MILITARY INDUSTRY AND DOES NOT ACCEPT LOBBYIST MONEY, BLACKWATER GOT ITS FIRST FEDERAL CONTRACT UNDER BILL CLINTON AND HAD NOTABLE TIES TO INDIVIDUALS LINKED TO THE HILARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN

Blackwater USA's First Federal Contract Was In 1998 – Under The Clinton Administration. At a House committee hearing on private contractor oversight, Blackwater USA counsel Andrew Howell was asked when his company received its first government contract. Howell replied, "I believe that was 1998." Rep. Chris Cannon (R-UT) inquired, "And that was under the Clinton administration?" Howell responded, "Yes, sir."

Ø Blackwater's Lawyer Is A Former Clinton White House Counsel. Rep. Chris Cannon (R-UT) asked Blackwater USA counsel Andrew Howell "And do you have staff or contracts with people who've been employed by Clinton administration? <…> For instance, you're accompanied by counsel today. Do you know what is her name and what was her political experience?" Howell replied, "Yes, sir. Her name is Ms. Beth Nolan and she was, indeed, part of the Clinton administration, from my understanding." Nolan served as Counsel to the President of the United States from 1999-2001. In the White House, she was responsible for overseeing all legal matters for President Clinton and the White House staff. http://www.crowell.com/Professionals/Beth-Nolan>

Mark Penn's Firm Did Public Relations Work For Blackwater, including to help prepare Blackwater's owner for his congressional hearing, just a weeks before the Iowa caucus. Burson-Marsteller has been brought aboard to do public relations work for Blackwater USA by the Washington law firms representing Blackwater - McDermott Will & Emery and Crowell & Moring. One of the executives on the Blackwater account is Robert Tappan, a former State Department official. Tappan is a managing director of BKSH & Associates Worldwide, a Burson-Marsteller subsidiary. Paul Cordasco, a spokesman for Burson-Marsteller, said the company does not discuss its clients, but in a later a statement, Cordasco said BKSH helped Blackwater head Erik Prince prepare for his congressional hearing. "With the hearing over, BKSH's temporary engagement has ended," Cordasco said.

THE USE OF PRIVATE MILITARY COMPANIES EXPANDED DURING THE CLINTON ADMINSTRATION

The Clinton Administration's "'Privatize First, Ask Questions Later' Mentality Has Led to The Situation We Face Now In Iraq." In an article in The Nation, William D. Hartung wrote, "The latest wave of military privatization started in the first Bush Administration, when Defense Secretary Cheney asked Halliburton to study what it would cost to have a private company take charge of getting US forces overseas in a hurry. Halliburton was hired to do just that in Somalia, employing 2,500 people. The Clinton Administration picked up where Bush/Cheney left off, hiring Halliburton--then run by Cheney--as the logistics arm for the war in Kosovo. Halliburton's contract started out as a $ 180 million deal but soon mushroomed to more than $ 2.5 billion as the company built Camp Bondsteel and other military facilities on lavish, cost-plus terms. <…> But the urge to privatize soon expanded to include anything and everything, up to and including hiring former Green Berets and Navy SEALs for serious security and training functions. The 'privatize first, ask questions later' mentality has led to the situation we face now in Iraq, where private companies are performing front-line military functions ranging from providing security to the Coalition Provisional Authority (Blackwater) to training the new Iraqi army (Vinnell) to protecting oil pipelines (Erinys) to interrogating prisoners (CACI)."



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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:41 PM
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1. glad to hear it
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ajamo Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:35 PM
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64. Clinton's And military contractors
Now one must wonder if Clinton's are not profit ting from this war.
I am.
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:42 PM
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2. good
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:43 PM
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3. I'm impressed that his campaigns response so far, if he were interviewing for a job I would count...
...that as a plus for him
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:43 PM
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4. Gobama!
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:44 PM
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5. Yes...
HRC is a fine American - as far as I know...
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:45 PM
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6. Samantha Power says in this clip weeks back on his position for military over contracts, link....
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 12:46 PM by cooolandrew
www.members.aol.com/cooolandrew2/outstanding.mp3
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:45 PM
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7. Everyone paying attention the last 7 years knew Hillary was fullofshit on this issue.
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 12:51 PM by blm
She wasn't expecting to have to shape all her arguments to get the vote from Democrats, so she shaped her record on military matters to appeal to the center-right. Now she is playing catch up with her newfound views on contractors.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:47 PM
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8. Reading the Interview from Former florida Gov Graham
on Hufington post really puts into context Hillary's judgement in voting for Bush's resolution

snipet from the interview

How did you grow convinced that the Iraq War was a bad idea?

"I had, somewhat by accident, found out that the reality that Iraq was a trade-off for Afghanistan. I visited Central Command in February 2002, met with Tommy Franks and he told me that they were reducing their capabilities in Afghanistan in order to ship personnel and equipment to get ready for war in Iraq. The message was that we weren't really able to fight two battles concurrently. I then raised the question, which was the more important to U.S. interests: Iraq or Afghanistan?

I thought clearly it was Afghanistan. We asked for an NIE to support this. We got one and it was very squishy about what Iraq was doing, but the administration continued to heighten the drumbeats for war based on weapons of mass destruction. I just felt we were being manipulated and that the result was going to distract us from where our real enemies were."


Why didn't the other members of Senators do this type of homework?

I don't know you have to ask the people who made the decision who felt it was not necessary to have that piece of information to come to a conclusion. I think a lot of people, I guess, voted yes based on the old tradition that the president tells the truth. You can rely on what the president says and the president was saying we were facing an enormous threat that required our military.

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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:47 PM
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9. quick response: A+ controlling the deabte: D+
let's go, Plouffe. Let's control one friggin' news cycle.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:57 PM
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19. I disagree, I think "responding" is the better part of this at this time;
he is not controlling the debate because it isn't in debate format, it's Hillary attacking. His answers are clear, succinct, and quick showing he is in control even when he isn't overpowering, attacking, or controlling every issue. I think this makes him a breath of fresh air. If he begins to get "A+" on "controlling the" attacks (that you so courteously called debates) then he would be reducing himself to her level.

He is showing that he doesn't have to be King George or Bitch Hillary to be qualified and attentive to the issues and responsibilities of the office he seeks.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:49 PM
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28. I agree with many of your points, but if the debate were about what HE wanted to be talking about
right now, wouldn't that be better for him?

IMHO, his campaign is failing him terribly by relying on responses instead of shaping the dialogue. This is one ardent O-supporter's opinion, by the way.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:11 PM
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38. I am in agreement, but you know what they say about draining the swamp.
Every time he turns around, he's dealing with another alligator - and that is not just a coincidence.

If he constantly has to respond, and defend, he can't get his own agenda on the table, allowing her to claim he's got nothing.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:02 AM
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62. You had to call her a bitch...
great:thumbsdown: :shrug: :thumbsdown:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:48 PM
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10. This alone should disqualify her
This is the wrong mindset to lead the Democratic Party and the country. The Clintons are the problem in the Dem Party, not the solution.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:13 AM
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61. This illustrates which candidate is the Progressive,
and which one is the DLC centrist.

What really worries me is Iran. Would a President Hillary launch military action against Iran, since she voted to give Bush authority to act? She may pull out of Iraq, or not, but she hasn't made any promises regarding Iran that I know of.
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:48 PM
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11. Obama has run one of the most impressive campaigns.
They are so on top of every little thing!

It's nice to have a politician standing up against attacks. I just wish the attacks weren't coming from within our own party.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:50 PM
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13. It's good practice for McInsane
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:54 PM
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16. I think so, too.
:hi:
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:22 PM
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43. If Obama is running such a great campaign...
How did he go from being the "positive, post-racial candidate" to being the Black Guy in just a few short weeks? Oh wait, I guess his genius speech tomorrow will fix everything.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:49 PM
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12. Why am I not surprised!!
Maan, when will this shit stop? Someone needs to put the HRC camp out of their collective misery and bring this torturous nomination process to an end. I am sick of all the lies from HRC..then clarifications from BO..then new lies.. and more claifications... then back to the old lies (in case people had forgotten).. then more.... you get the picture...sigh!!!
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:53 PM
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14. Blackwater is Clinton and he made sure they were immune how suprising
:mad:
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:53 PM
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15. "I didn't know. Maybe I should have known."
Yes, you should have, Senator Clinton. And, in fact, it turns out you did know.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:12 PM
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41. Today's pathetic excuse was brought to you by the makers of GW* .
A.K.A.: "Apologies Are Us."


"Karl: You mean, there aren't really any nukes in Iraq? Are you sure? Did ya look unda the palace? The podium? Those WMD's have gotta be around here somewhere! Keep lookin. Now, watch this drive."

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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:56 PM
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17. She's got some nerve trying to say she was ahead of Obama on this issue.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:22 PM
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31. yes, she does.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:56 PM
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18. K&R! n/t
:kick:
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:57 PM
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20. Well at least the Obama campaign hasn't lost their ability to fight back. Let's hope they haven't
lost the fight.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:01 PM
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21. ouchie ouch ouch ouch
Excellent and effective response.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:09 PM
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22. Their rapid response team has been having to work overtime these days.
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:16 PM
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25. Good comprehensive response ...but
Can you make a sound byte of it?

Unfortunately the average voter is not going to read such a long and detailed response. It should be made into an ad and aired immediately for the most impact.

I see one problem with Obama's campaign...it's a bit too cerebral for popular consumption.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:41 PM
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26. Cerebral? Empty describes his campaign much better.
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:25 PM
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35. That was totally uncalled for.
Grow up.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:34 PM
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37. You were cool when you liked Biden.
Now you're just another fucked up partisan drone.
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ksquire Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:25 AM
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57. as opposed to shrill and crazy? seriously - it's "empty" now?
jesus folks... some folks will throw anything at someone.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:25 PM
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63. Popular consumption
Can we get him a spot on American Idol?
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:12 PM
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23. Obama is a squid. He spurts ink and jets away.
Sometimes, a politician acts like a squid and sprays ink in the face of his pursuers, confusing them long enough for the squid to spurt away.

I see squid ink when I look at BO's five-page answer to Hillary's two-sentence statement today.

What Hillary SAID was: "Senator Obama and I have a substantive disagreement here. He won't rule out using armed private military contactors in Iraq to do jobs that historically have been done by the U.S. military or government personnel."

To which Obama answered .... what?

Can't tell, can you?

Say, wasn't there a squid here a minute ago?

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progressive_realist Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:44 PM
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52. He has actually submitted legislation to fix the problem.
She has given a pretty speech.


There's your two-sentence summary.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:15 PM
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24. OMG
St. Obama is here to save the Day!
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:42 PM
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27. K&R
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:52 PM
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29. Obama needs to do maore about the Clinton Record on things
he's absolutely correct. During the Clinton administration, the privatization of the military went full steam ahead.

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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:54 PM
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30. k&r
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:06 PM
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32. Good! Keep at it!
:applause:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:14 PM
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33. K & R
:thumbsup:
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:22 PM
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34. Keep it up Obama!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:31 PM
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36. K&R
:thumbsup:
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:15 PM
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39. But wait! Where's the substance?
:sarcasm:

and for the record, as someone who's been in the military and worked at companies that contract with the Defense Department, banning companies like Blackwater from operating in places like Iraq makes NO sense, and just screams "PANDER". Obama's accountability legislation, on the other hand, is much more of what's needed.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:40 PM
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40. It is increasingly clear that Senator Clinton will lower the bar as far as she thinks
she needs to in order to win elections.

What I find interesting is that she has yet to explain to us how she will distance herself from the huge volume of alleged scandals that will be thrown in her face this fall if she's our nominee.

How will she deal with attacks on Bill RE: Lewinski, for example?

These attacks have been in he works for years and are well financed and waiting to strke as soon as she's our nominee.

She needs to work to explain to me, the DU regular, how she will destroy the right wing media machine, rather than embrace it to win against Obama.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:16 PM
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42. Excellent!
Obama08
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:22 PM
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44. kicking
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Glimmer of Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:26 PM
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45. Great work by the Obama campaign.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:31 PM
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46. great, so she'll answer the phone at 3am, she just won't know what's going on!!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:35 PM
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47. There's a lot of "I didn't know"s in
hilary hypocritical history.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:57 PM
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48. Bookmarked for future reference!
Thanks for the compilation.

Does the Hillary campaign think that Democratic voters are STUPID?
That would be a "YES".

K&R
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:01 PM
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49. K/R
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:26 PM
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50. Should have known?
"'Maybe I should have known about it; I did not know about it,'"

That excuse got Albert Speer 20 years in Spandau. But at least it saved his life.
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:43 PM
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51. So...
Cheney, running Halliburton, rec'd a 2.5 billion dollar contract from the Clinton Administration for base building and (since Blackwater was under Halliburton at the time) private security forces. Right?

and...

Hillary somehow didn't realize that Bill solidified the unnaccountability for Blackwater forces somewhere around 1998?

and...

Hillary questioned the lack of oversight during a committee hearing, and doesn't remember it, so it must not be that important to her. Of course, unless she needs a few votes?

Do I have all this right? Or, am I just paranoid and reading something crazy into all this?
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:32 PM
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53. Excellent article. One point of fairness, though...
Prince, the Blackwater CEO, was a GHW Bush intern, per wikipedia. So he likely had the inside track to the Clinton's favor due to prior connections and preset plans. The DoD tends to exists on its own terms, independent of the comings and goings of presidents, as does the State Department.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:09 AM
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54. Obama's a hypocrite on Blackwater--
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 12:10 AM by brensgrrl
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080229/cm_huffpost/089061

Blackwater is nothing but a nest of thugs, rogues and brigands, and Obama will not rule out using them in the future (if a miracle occurs, and he is President). Same article, different story. Go figure. Hillary was right.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:12 AM
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55. Both of the Clintons are dirty rotten liars and they have become utterly corrupt.
Money and power has turned two formerly decent people into crooks.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:19 AM
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56. Mark Penn works for both Clinton and Blackwater n/t
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FATCATs Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:49 AM
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58. Clinton is a good warm up for Re-Pukes
Dont lay down like Kerry did

In their face !

Kick em in the ball's and call thier mommies a bunch of whores !
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:29 AM
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59. She's such a hoax. n/t
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:35 AM
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60. difficult when your only options are LYING OR STOOPID...let's elect McCain
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