The wheels have fallen off the Hopemobile

Even if he manages to eek out a victory this primary season, which is unlikely, because he will be seen as damaged goods and someone who will have no chance of winning the GE; he will be crushed in the GE maybe winning IL.

I am very disturbed by our democratic "leaders" who forced this charade down our throats without properly vetting the candidate.

The Democratic Party has just about guaranteed a republican victory in November.

Once again, screwed by our own.

Hope Floats...It doesn't need wheels..

And some times it hits the fan and the person standing in front of it gets splattered.
Word of advice ...Don't stand in front of it when you launch your turd.

too bad, but at least Kos is a better place for it.

But the strikers are still living in their parents' basement.

And what's truly remarkable about Mr. Hankey, is that he doesn't stink.

numbers than her. what is so hard for you to accept about that? I hated it when John Edwards was losing but that was because of the vote total, not because of some fucking conspiracy by the party or anyone.

I mean, the very truncated selections were taken from speeches over the span of six years - and all the press organizations are running the same clips.

Interesting.

http://www.tucc.org/store/trumpet_order.cfm?action=more...

(Warning: 558k text, but >1.5 megabyte repetitive graphics)

$15 dvd / $10 cd per sermon, dating back to 2002

and the biggest political opportunist since GWB; pandering to both sides of the fence.

we want to know how you made your $54 million.

one could get them at the church's website. I guess that was set up by Hillary too.

That question doesn't interest you?

I sure wouldn't take an editted tape from someone else when it would be so easy to get my own. Now, did the Clinton campaign point out the existance of the website, maybe? Does that bother me, no.

Huh.

You sure someone didn't take an edited tape from someone else somewhere down the line?

and that one outlets tapes are being reused. I am assuming he didn't say vile stuff 24/7.

Someone said Wright has been on the list of 10 most influential African-American preachers; a self-styled divinity-school type would have jumped on that lead as soon as he saw Obama's attribution for the title of "Audacity of Hope".

IMO, every other media outlet and every non-Obama political faction is simply following Hannity's lead on his second-effort revival of an old story. And, IMO, McCain's people must be FURIOUS at Hannity for moving again on the wright story too early. Remember, Kerry was swift-boated in August, not in March.

But then again, didn't Wolfson indicate a couple of monthhs ago that they had something really explosive on Obama, but were holding back for the good of the Party? What could it have been if not the Wright story, gleaned from monitoring Hannity a year ago?

I wonder about the good "pastor"'s tax returns.

This is Obama's mess, not Hillary's.

Do have a link to this?

add that to Bill's friendship with Rush Limbaugh and you have a mess
that Hillary can pretend she didn't make.

NOT

posted the answer to this but I missed it if you did.

This board is awash in bullshit about how Obama is only winning because of independent voters.

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We all knew the swiftboating would begin before the convention

By the time November rolls around the economy will be in such sad shape that the Dems could elect my dog if they wanted to.

McCain and the repuke party are in about as weak a position as they can be in - moreso than when poppy Bush tried running again.

But the Clinton supporters will make sure that they support McCain and get out the vote for him in order to keep their chances alive in 2012.

then they need to be drummed out of the Democratic Party. The stakes in this country are too high right now for anyone to want to play politics with the welfare of this country.

...Hillary Clinton and her unwillingness to admit she cannot win now or in November.

Get a clue....

Note: "One of our own" is in parens because IMO Hillary is merely DINO.

Click you heels together three times and keep repeating , I wish it were true, I wish it were true, I wish it were true........

Hillary will whip McCain period!

...take a look in the mirror, OK?



Project much?

intimate knowledge of the damage it can do, as it is a serial offender

Since Clinton endorsed McCain, this is only natural!!!

forced my wife and I into the voting booth and made us vote for Obama...

but he will never ever win a GE.

in this country.. most thinking adults can seperate a person's views from that of the person's friends or paster. Obama will do fine in the GE.

Obama because American's are stupid???

it's unlikely either will because of the circumstances we find ourselves in today.

would take an act of god for Hillary to win this thing anymore... the math don't lie...

Nothing wrong with charisma, but without a proper vetting or examination of the candidate, we are, as you said, screwed by our own.

From the start, Obama's campaign has been about himself--how "he" is different, how "he" can bring hope and change, how "he" can inspire the country. Now we learn that "he" has some major baggage, and that "he" may ruin our chances in the general election.

Sad.

Yes WE can?
He will do fine..Even without your vote

obsessed with his hair. Kerry testified at the Winter Soldier hearings & threw medals over a fence.

so what is your point?

It's the media and Rebublican plan. It doesn't mean give up, however; it means try harder. Fight.

In fact, I said we may lose either way because of the circumstances.

Why are you still here then? Are you just here to bum everyone out with your crazy predictions?

That's really sad.

Obama will be the nominee. Period. Game. Set. Match.

He will pick a VP that doesn't have Clinton as a last name. The ticket will be a winner.

Obama will beat McCain by 10-14% in the fall. The RNC already knows it.

If you don't want to support Obama, no worries. There are millions of people as well as many new voters in the Democratic Party that are very excited to get Obama in the White House.

my statement is probably more relevant than your entire thread

Umm, actually not.

Who ever woulda thunk it?

long ago.

Sorry, but this "scandal" has no legs.

I did miss that. Can you give me a recap?

I'd be really cranky and pessimistic too if my
candidate was losing as nasty as Hillary.
It's totally understandable that your anger makes
you want to lash out at your adversaries like this.

May sunny optimism once again grace your world
and bring you happiness.

The Dem party leaders really fell down on this one.

We are screwed.

revelation that many democrats would cast aside the fight for multiculturalism and ethnic understanding in order to scare up a few votes in Pennsylvania. The hopemobile has been slowed by Democrats that choose to use religious differences as weapon against their own. The hopemobile has been slowed by ignorant Democrats that think being black is something that candidates need to be "vetted" for.

Certainly hope can be attacked with fear and hate - it has always been so. Certainly hope can be slowed by small mindedness and ignorance - it has always been so.

Fear. This has become a campaign about fear for one side and hope for the other.

We have nothing to fear except that fear will consume a large enough portion of our party to hand the General Election to McCain.

perfect response.

delegates, increasing his lead over your gal.

...maybe the 'wheels are coming off' as a result of all the delegates (and voters) jumping aboard.


Time for bigger wheels.

that Obama is done. That remains to be seen. And no one forced Obama down our throats. The MSM and Clinton tried to force Hilly down our throats with the inevitablility crap but it didn't work. Obama will or will not survive this. And Hilly is just as screwed or more so in the general. This process has damaged both of them- in large part because of the dirty campaigning the Clintons so love.

that this is all.

And wait for the one that shows Obama or his wife agreeing by nodding their heads or clapping.

It will end it for him.

and what ever you do - abandon your fight for racial and cultural understanding - because the scary Republicans will turn out racists in droves if you do not!

Idiot. Sorry, I apologize for the idiot comment, at least partially.

and all the mindless mob who fall in line.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillary...

I wonder why this isn't being talked about much now!

Answer?

The GOP and the MSM!

Those silly Obamaniacs with their ideas about "majority rule". Didn't anyone tell them that we lost the War of "Independence" started by those thugs back in 1776? Who in their right mind could think that anything but a dynastic monarchy can separate man from the beasts.

Sad. Really sad.

We should ship those Obama freaks off to re-education camps.

I'm sorry, but I don't think this is a big deal unless we make it a big deal. Any strong polictical candidate is going to be surrounded by those with their own agenda. If I found out that Neo Nazi's were sending money to Obama, Hillary, or McCain, it does not mean that those candidates endorse any of their views. Obama has consistently offered a message that is 180 degrees from that of Reverend Wright. Why should we think that he feels otherwise. I have friends who are radicalized in both directions, but I am still their friend and I am proud that I can think for myself despite their views. Obama should campaign on his ability to rise above Wright's message, to see the good and the promise of america despite how easy it is to see our faults. Any fool can point out what is wrong, and bitch or complain. It takes a seriously wise person to see the good. As my mom used to say, love means "warts and all". Obama message has been one of bringing this fragmented nation together, and the fact that he is friends with those with whom he vehemently disagrees shows that it is not just lip service, but that he is facing the front lines of this struggle every Sunday.

If he shook the hands of a Klansman, it would be seen as an act of courage, not an endorsement. I say he should go back to the press and say that yes he knew about these statements and has had his faith in our nation successfully tested (more than most).

And a few months ago people were wondering if he was black enough!

he is not going to win the GE and Hillary probably won't either, that is the purpose of this OP.

to cast off the fight for ethnic understanding and equality because you fear what the those that oppose us will do. You are willing to give up the fight and, in fact, turn against it. That isn't winning - that is crapping in your own pants or trying to scare other people into crapping in their pants in order to garner votes. There is a dose of realism for you - racist, coward or fear monger, take your pick.

It's over. Again.

Oh dear me! He needs to resign from the Senate now.

am pissed that Kennedy tried to shove Obama down our throats. They had to know about this baggage! Obama might very well end up
being our nominee but the R527's are going to take him down. We are so screwed.

Just how far did the Obama Camp think "Vote for me or you're a bigot" would take him?

Thought so.

Put down the crack pipe and pick up the peace pipe.. Hillary will never get the lead, she's so done, you can stick a straw in her..

People aren't even going to care about all this nonsense by the time the general election comes.

at an all time low and Americans want change. There is no way McCain will win, no way, unless the electoral process is rigged.

I think most people are sick and tired of the Iraq war, the killing of "Our" troops, the amount of money we have wasted while our country economy, reputation is going down a rat hole to vote for McBush III. That said... Hillary voted for the war and is more in tune with the Bush Administration policies, that in it self would make her less of a possible President.

Obama proven to be in attendence during Wright's sermons.

Politics are going to be aside for about a week or two....

So, par for your course!

something?

Obama has been propped up by a crowd of democrats that, sadly, seem to fit nicely into the political mold cast by the right wing hate machine.

Thats a hoot.

Go lay down.

Even if he manages to eek out a victory this primary season, which is unlikely

Pretty please?

sandbox. my paraphase.
Says it will be very difficult for BO going forward.

Happy St. Pats

The times they will be changing! Just wait - the MSM hasn't even started to touch HRC!

Why isn't the media talking about the trial coming up in Oct. '08 for Peter Paul who says he gave the Clinton's $2 million that they didn't report?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

Why isn't the sale of HRC's campaign mailing list being questioned more to a huge Indian-American supporter named Gupta who had flown Hillary and Bill on private trips and given Bill a 3 million bonus for consulting and Gupta's investors filed a court case because of this?

http://richmonddemocrat.blogspot.com/2008/02/hillary-cl...

And why isn't Clinton releasing her earmarks and tax records?

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politi...

.......

Because of this and a lot more I cannot support HRC.

word of a convicted felon in smearing Hillary. Probably good thinking although the right will use it.

her first lady records, schedules, meetings?

already said she will release her tax forms when she is the nom. Which is smart campaign politics and NOT against any DNC campaign rules. Why give a head start to the RW machine.

Obama is naive and has much to learn yet.



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What if that affects her in GE (if she gets the nom.)? I don't want to have to defend someone for colluding with big business or be an apologist for a corrupt politician.

How much crass can you get? No wonder you are supporting Senator Clinton! Sheesh, who are you to say that about a Dem front runner, yea, FRONT RUNNER! The hate you have just espoused is unbelievable!

Make up your minds and get back to us.

releasing her tax returns could be devestating. What is she hiding? Release them now. She's full of shit..."I'm trying to get that together, Tim?" LOL!

In addition, she touts all this foreign policy experience and her time in the WH as proof, well guess what--release your schedules and meetings--so we can see Hilda.

There should be transparency when people are running for office..and candidates shouldn't be running away from it--like Hill is doing!

Bill donor's list is important because we don't know what promises he's made if his wife makes it back to the big house. As a taxpayer and a citizen I have every right to know where the money came from...sorry you're for closed government, but I'm not!

that Hillerites have left.
They "Hope" that they can find a way to turn
a molehill into a mountain and bring Obama down.
They "Hope" they can twist a lot of "Super Delegate" arms
or bribe them with some quid pro quo "arrangement".
They "Hope" they can fool enough voters into believing
that being married to Bill for 35 years counts as legislative experience
"Hope" is all you have so don't dismiss it.

'cuz you need to chill...or maybe get a hit of something else..for a new direction...

Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune--without the words,
And never stops at all,

And sweetest in the gale is heard;
And sore must be the storm
That could abash the little bird
That kept so many warm.

I've heard it in the chillest land,
And on the strangest sea;
Yet, never, in extremity,
It asked a crumb of me.

wow.

Your reality is completely different from those of us here on earth.

Could you do me a favor and make your posts later in the evening? I have a feeling they could help cure my insomnia.

Thanks!

Let's go change the world" eerybody.

have acted like that in Congress. Now this. It's really unbelievable.

And for those smart enough to realize it's a GOOD thing this came out now, while there is still time.

look at the choices we have

Any black candidate was going to be associated with less than admirable black figures and the media will presume them guilty by association until proven innocent because that is what the media does to black candidates.

You may be right that Obama will lose in November. If he does get the nomination we're going to find out if there are enough white people that actually fear figures like Wright and then fear Obama by association. Wright and many figures like him may be ignorant but they are hardly scary. If there is any black person that can convince white people of this, it is Barack Obama.

I should add that it's a good thing this is coming out in March and not October. Plenty of time for Obama to deal with it.