The wheels have fallen off the Hopemobile

[boston bean]

Even if he manages to eek out a victory this primary season, which is unlikely, because he will be seen as damaged goods and someone who will have no chance of winning the GE; he will be crushed in the GE maybe winning IL.

I am very disturbed by our democratic "leaders" who forced this charade down our throats without properly vetting the candidate.

The Democratic Party has just about guaranteed a republican victory in November.

Once again, screwed by our own.

[Guava Jelly]

1. Haven't you heard??

Hope Floats...It doesn't need wheels..

[boston bean]

4. sometimes shit floats too. nt

[Guava Jelly]

10. Yes that is true

And some times it hits the fan and the person standing in front of it gets splattered.
Word of advice ...Don't stand in front of it when you launch your turd.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

106. the "Strikers" from Kos have all swarmed over here

too bad, but at least Kos is a better place for it.

But the strikers are still living in their parents' basement.

[0007]

45. Mr. Hankey floats and does the side stroke.

And what's truly remarkable about Mr. Hankey, is that he doesn't stink.

[roguevalley]

91. no one is 'forcing' anything. people are voting for him in greater

numbers than her. what is so hard for you to accept about that? I hated it when John Edwards was losing but that was because of the vote total, not because of some fucking conspiracy by the party or anyone.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

2. Not the Dems, Hillary!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. yeah Hillary paid to Have Rev Wright say those things and secertly made video s

[chascarrillo]

50. Do you think that her campaign sent out edited videotapes to the press>

I mean, the very truncated selections were taken from speeches over the span of six years - and all the press organizations are running the same clips.

Interesting.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

105. here you go

[rodeodance]

65. yeah---Hillary put those words in Wrights mouth and made BO associate himself with Wright. got it.

NOT

[Raven]

3. Who will you vote for in November? You have probably already

posted the answer to this but I missed it if you did.

[boston bean]

6. I will vote for the dem nominee because I am a partisan, but unlikely indies will.

[Warren Stupidity]

58. Odd that.

This board is awash in bullshit about how Obama is only winning because of independent voters.

[rodeodance]

96. do you know that voting is done in secret?

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[FreakinDJ]

7. Where is all this Doom and Gloom coming from

We all knew the swiftboating would begin before the convention

[totodeinhere]

8. Nonsense.

By the time November rolls around the economy will be in such sad shape that the Dems could elect my dog if they wanted to.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. The economy is already in that shape now.

McCain and the repuke party are in about as weak a position as they can be in - moreso than when poppy Bush tried running again.

But the Clinton supporters will make sure that they support McCain and get out the vote for him in order to keep their chances alive in 2012.

[totodeinhere]

77. If they purposefully sabotage the Dems in November...

then they need to be drummed out of the Democratic Party. The stakes in this country are too high right now for anyone to want to play politics with the welfare of this country.

[Voice for Peace]

92. I'd consider voting for your dog if Hillary gets the nomination.

[Hepburn]

9. The biggest "one of our own" who has screwed us is...

...Hillary Clinton and her unwillingness to admit she cannot win now or in November.

Get a clue....

Note: "One of our own" is in parens because IMO Hillary is merely DINO.

[soundguy]

29. Keep Your Cool Aide Pitcher Full and

Click you heels together three times and keep repeating , I wish it were true, I wish it were true, I wish it were true........

Hillary will whip McCain period!

[Hepburn]

32. Talk about drinking Kool Aid....

...take a look in the mirror, OK?



Project much?

[roseBudd]

34. Actually, it goes back much further to the Clenis & unfortunately for Hill she has

intimate knowledge of the damage it can do, as it is a serial offender

[BumRushDaShow]

11. I ssume you will be one of the many Clinton supporters who will be voting for McCain?

Since Clinton endorsed McCain, this is only natural!!!

[mckeown1128]

12. wow... I wasn't aware the "our democratic leaders"...

forced my wife and I into the voting booth and made us vote for Obama...

[boston bean]

15. they knew about this and most did not. You may have and probably would still vote for him

but he will never ever win a GE.

[mckeown1128]

35. Please... there are not that many small minded people

in this country.. most thinking adults can seperate a person's views from that of the person's friends or paster. Obama will do fine in the GE.

[boston bean]

51. you don't know the american voter then. nt

[carlotta]

13. It relied on the cult of personality from the beginning

Nothing wrong with charisma, but without a proper vetting or examination of the candidate, we are, as you said, screwed by our own.

From the start, Obama's campaign has been about himself--how "he" is different, how "he" can bring hope and change, how "he" can inspire the country. Now we learn that "he" has some major baggage, and that "he" may ruin our chances in the general election.

Sad.

[Guava Jelly]

17. Is that why his main slogan is

Yes WE can?
He will do fine..Even without your vote

[roseBudd]

37. Baggage is the Clinton middle name, Biden has the plagarism baggage, Edwards is an ambulance chaser

obsessed with his hair. Kerry testified at the Winter Soldier hearings & threw medals over a fence.

so what is your point?

[Mike Nelson]

16. McCain is expected winner over Obama...

It's the media and Rebublican plan. It doesn't mean give up, however; it means try harder. Fight.

[uponit7771]

18. Yeah, and Hillary will do better!?!? :rolleyes:, no seriously you guys arent helping

[boston bean]

21. I did not say Hillary will do better.

In fact, I said we may lose either way because of the circumstances.

[tridim]

75. So then you've given up.

Why are you still here then? Are you just here to bum everyone out with your crazy predictions?

That's really sad.

[zulchzulu]

19. It's more like Hillaryworld is down to a couple cannon balls...

Obama will be the nominee. Period. Game. Set. Match.

He will pick a VP that doesn't have Clinton as a last name. The ticket will be a winner.

Obama will beat McCain by 10-14% in the fall. The RNC already knows it.

If you don't want to support Obama, no worries. There are millions of people as well as many new voters in the Democratic Party that are very excited to get Obama in the White House.

[Window]

20. LMAO!

[matcom]

22. I think Hillary can win Guam. Other than that she has no chance

my statement is probably more relevant than your entire thread

[Bonobo]

23. I'll miss you most of all MassDemm!

Umm, actually not.

[boston bean]

26. Oh thanks bo bo . nt

[zonkers]

24. He is still being vetted. And he will survive. And so will Dems.

[QC]

25. Maybe letting Oprah pick the candidate wasn't such a good idea after all.

Who ever woulda thunk it?

[JoFerret]

56. She had the good sense to split from Wright

long ago.

[backscatter712]

27. Go take your delusions back to HillaryIs44.

Sorry, but this "scandal" has no legs.

[rodeodance]

64. guess you missed the Sun am talk shows

[Forkboy]

68. You mean the one with Pelosi?

I did miss that. Can you give me a recap?

[C_U_L8R]

28. You're right to be in such a bad mood.

I'd be really cranky and pessimistic too if my
candidate was losing as nasty as Hillary.
It's totally understandable that your anger makes
you want to lash out at your adversaries like this.

May sunny optimism once again grace your world
and bring you happiness.

[NDambi]

79. Amen. It is so obvious what it's about!! My candidate is getting her ass kicked let me lash out!

[susankh4]

31. I have been saying the same for quite some time.

The Dem party leaders really fell down on this one.

We are screwed.

[ecdab]

33. The hopemobile has been slowed by the stunning

revelation that many democrats would cast aside the fight for multiculturalism and ethnic understanding in order to scare up a few votes in Pennsylvania. The hopemobile has been slowed by Democrats that choose to use religious differences as weapon against their own. The hopemobile has been slowed by ignorant Democrats that think being black is something that candidates need to be "vetted" for.

Certainly hope can be attacked with fear and hate - it has always been so. Certainly hope can be slowed by small mindedness and ignorance - it has always been so.

Fear. This has become a campaign about fear for one side and hope for the other.

We have nothing to fear except that fear will consume a large enough portion of our party to hand the General Election to McCain.

[DarienComp]

38. win.

perfect response.

[saltpoint]

36. Check the political currents out of Iowa yesterday. Obama gained more

delegates, increasing his lead over your gal.

[Scurrilous]

85. Yep...

...maybe the 'wheels are coming off' as a result of all the delegates (and voters) jumping aboard.


Time for bigger wheels.

[natrat]

39. and this is news? look how these scumbags have acted and the hrc crew are scummiest of all

[cali]

40. You you wish, pray and hope

that Obama is done. That remains to be seen. And no one forced Obama down our throats. The MSM and Clinton tried to force Hilly down our throats with the inevitablility crap but it didn't work. Obama will or will not survive this. And Hilly is just as screwed or more so in the general. This process has damaged both of them- in large part because of the dirty campaigning the Clintons so love.

[boston bean]

you know they have hours upon hours of this stuff don't you. you can't think

that this is all.

And wait for the one that shows Obama or his wife agreeing by nodding their heads or clapping.

It will end it for him.

[ecdab]

46. Yes - fear the scary black man

and what ever you do - abandon your fight for racial and cultural understanding - because the scary Republicans will turn out racists in droves if you do not!

Idiot. Sorry, I apologize for the idiot comment, at least partially.

[cascadiance]

71. I suppose it would have been better for Obama to be in Hillary's prayer group with Rick Santorum?

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillary...

I wonder why this isn't being talked about much now!

Answer?

The GOP and the MSM!

[boston bean]

42. dupe

[boston bean]

43. dup post

[MannyGoldstein]

41. Fuck The Will Of The People

Those silly Obamaniacs with their ideas about "majority rule". Didn't anyone tell them that we lost the War of "Independence" started by those thugs back in 1776? Who in their right mind could think that anything but a dynastic monarchy can separate man from the beasts.

Sad. Really sad.

We should ship those Obama freaks off to re-education camps.

[galileo3000]

44. Just because an associate has radical views doesn't mean they are shared.

I'm sorry, but I don't think this is a big deal unless we make it a big deal. Any strong polictical candidate is going to be surrounded by those with their own agenda. If I found out that Neo Nazi's were sending money to Obama, Hillary, or McCain, it does not mean that those candidates endorse any of their views. Obama has consistently offered a message that is 180 degrees from that of Reverend Wright. Why should we think that he feels otherwise. I have friends who are radicalized in both directions, but I am still their friend and I am proud that I can think for myself despite their views. Obama should campaign on his ability to rise above Wright's message, to see the good and the promise of america despite how easy it is to see our faults. Any fool can point out what is wrong, and bitch or complain. It takes a seriously wise person to see the good. As my mom used to say, love means "warts and all". Obama message has been one of bringing this fragmented nation together, and the fact that he is friends with those with whom he vehemently disagrees shows that it is not just lip service, but that he is facing the front lines of this struggle every Sunday.

If he shook the hands of a Klansman, it would be seen as an act of courage, not an endorsement. I say he should go back to the press and say that yes he knew about these statements and has had his faith in our nation successfully tested (more than most).

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. Iowa.

It's over. Again.

[tishaLA]

48. RASMUSSEN DAILY TRACKING: O-47 C-44

Oh dear me! He needs to resign from the Senate now.

[Little Star]

49. The hopemobile was nothing but a farce to begin with. I too

am pissed that Kennedy tried to shove Obama down our throats. They had to know about this baggage! Obama might very well end up
being our nominee but the R527's are going to take him down. We are so screwed.

[KingFlorez]

52. The Republicans won't win an November regardless of who our nominee is

People aren't even going to care about all this nonsense by the time the general election comes.

[akbacchus_BC]

97. Smartest response on this thread so far. Congratulations. Bush is

at an all time low and Americans want change. There is no way McCain will win, no way, unless the electoral process is rigged.

[Jensen]

53. "The Hopemobile" as in Hope, Ak Clinton and Hope Obama???

I think most people are sick and tired of the Iraq war, the killing of "Our" troops, the amount of money we have wasted while our country economy, reputation is going down a rat hole to vote for McBush III. That said... Hillary voted for the war and is more in tune with the Bush Administration policies, that in it self would make her less of a possible President.

[leftofcool]

54. Wait until this week's news

Obama proven to be in attendence during Wright's sermons.

[Hawkeye-X]

86. naw, they'll be busy figuring out the brackets for March Madness

Politics are going to be aside for about a week or two....

[Forkboy]

55. Your post really comes across as whiny and bereft of any real facts.

So, par for your course!

[boston bean]

80. I have a brain that I use you use a speech, words, are wrights words, "just words" or do they mean

something?

[Forkboy]

87. Can you recontruct that sentence to something intelligable?

[MNDemNY]

57. We need to dump both these losers, and nominate "generic Democrat" It's clearly our best chance in

[Maribelle]

59. Change we can’t believe in ...

Obama has been propped up by a crowd of democrats that, sadly, seem to fit nicely into the political mold cast by the right wing hate machine.

[Blarch]

60. maybe winning Il. ?

Thats a hoot.

Go lay down.

[gristy]

61. Can you show us the numbers that support this contention?

Even if he manages to eek out a victory this primary season, which is unlikely

Pretty please?

[rodeodance]

62. Juan Williams talked of how BO wants to transend--yet play in the racial politics

sandbox. my paraphase.
Says it will be very difficult for BO going forward.

[NDambi]

81. You listen to Juan Williams..lol..now I know what the frick is wrong with you...

[rodeodance]

63. The glitter is starting to wear off. The bandwagon is in slow gear at this moment

[rodeodance]

66. I fear how this may play out. The Dems are doomed as it is now.

[SoCalDem]

67. Haven't you said, many times, that Hillary will win? Whatcha "concerned" about then?

Happy St. Pats

[Forkboy]

69. It means the OP has finally moved past the denial stage.

[NDambi]

83. Soooooooooooooooo true! ha ha..bingo

[1776Forever]

70. Vetted? HRC vetting hasn't even started! Where are her records???

The times they will be changing! Just wait - the MSM hasn't even started to touch HRC!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

73. Ken Starr spent $75 million of our money vetting Hillary and came up empty handed SHE'S BEEN VETTED!

[anonymous171]

74. Vetting Hillary Rodham or Hillary and Bill Clinton? That is the question...

[1776Forever]

82. Why aren't we hearing about these issues & trials of HRC?

Why isn't the media talking about the trial coming up in Oct. '08 for Peter Paul who says he gave the Clinton's $2 million that they didn't report?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

Why isn't the sale of HRC's campaign mailing list being questioned more to a huge Indian-American supporter named Gupta who had flown Hillary and Bill on private trips and given Bill a 3 million bonus for consulting and Gupta's investors filed a court case because of this?

http://richmonddemocrat.blogspot.com/2008/02/hillary-cl...

And why isn't Clinton releasing her earmarks and tax records?

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politi...

.......

Because of this and a lot more I cannot support HRC.

[leftynyc]

119. I guess they don't want to take the

word of a convicted felon in smearing Hillary. Probably good thinking although the right will use it.

[NDambi]

84. How's about post Ken Starr? Where are the tax returns? Where are Bill's donor's list? Where are

her first lady records, schedules, meetings?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

88. why did you want "Bill's" donor list?. He isn't running and Hillary

already said she will release her tax forms when she is the nom. Which is smart campaign politics and NOT against any DNC campaign rules. Why give a head start to the RW machine.

Obama is naive and has much to learn yet.



.

[anonymous171]

90. It's not smart politics. What if there is something really bad on there?

What if that affects her in GE (if she gets the nom.)? I don't want to have to defend someone for colluding with big business or be an apologist for a corrupt politician.

[akbacchus_BC]

98. Whoa, Obama is naive! You are naive and you must be Obama's mother!

How much crass can you get? No wonder you are supporting Senator Clinton! Sheesh, who are you to say that about a Dem front runner, yea, FRONT RUNNER! The hate you have just espoused is unbelievable!

[Forkboy]

99. What, now you don't like vetting?

Make up your minds and get back to us.

[DerekJ]

108. Vetting?!!!

[NDambi]

117. You are not even naive, just plain dumb...Hillary waiting to get the nod and then

releasing her tax returns could be devestating. What is she hiding? Release them now. She's full of shit..."I'm trying to get that together, Tim?" LOL!

In addition, she touts all this foreign policy experience and her time in the WH as proof, well guess what--release your schedules and meetings--so we can see Hilda.

There should be transparency when people are running for office..and candidates shouldn't be running away from it--like Hill is doing!

Bill donor's list is important because we don't know what promises he's made if his wife makes it back to the big house. As a taxpayer and a citizen I have every right to know where the money came from...sorry you're for closed government, but I'm not!

[The River]

72. Hope Is The Only Thing

that Hillerites have left.
They "Hope" that they can find a way to turn
a molehill into a mountain and bring Obama down.
They "Hope" they can twist a lot of "Super Delegate" arms
or bribe them with some quid pro quo "arrangement".
They "Hope" they can fool enough voters into believing
that being married to Bill for 35 years counts as legislative experience
"Hope" is all you have so don't dismiss it.

[polichick]

76. Yet another delusional thread from you.

[NDambi]

78. Okay..how many times are you going to post your whining dribble..have a drink and a joint already..

'cuz you need to chill...or maybe get a hit of something else..for a new direction...

[Guava Jelly]

89. Hope also doesn't need wheels because it has feathers

Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune--without the words,
And never stops at all,

And sweetest in the gale is heard;
And sore must be the storm
That could abash the little bird
That kept so many warm.

I've heard it in the chillest land,
And on the strangest sea;
Yet, never, in extremity,
It asked a crumb of me.

[rucky]

93. You typed all that with one hand?

wow.

[Forkboy]

100. *SNARF*

[AZBlue]

94. Um, what planet do you live on?

Your reality is completely different from those of us here on earth.

[DiceK]

95. MassDemm

Could you do me a favor and make your posts later in the evening? I have a feeling they could help cure my insomnia.

Thanks!

[LulaMay]

101. I am outraged at our Dem "leaders".

[Swamp Rat]

102. PLOP!

[cooolandrew]

103. Sorry most supporters have turned off the TV left & right we are on the move FIRED UP.

Let's go change the world" eerybody.

[anamandujano]

104. It's beginning to look like "our own" support a Repuke agenda. They

have acted like that in Congress. Now this. It's really unbelievable.

[CreekDog]

107. that's okay, i just helped him buy some new ones

[Hoof Hearted]

109. K&R for the audacity of crazy mfkr's screaming bat-shit crazy sermons on video tape.

And for those smart enough to realize it's a GOOD thing this came out now, while there is still time.

[knixphan]

110. Paul v Clinton fraud case...

[barack the house]

111. Nice to see an Obama quote there inspiring ain't he. =)

[moondust]

112. Welcome to ignore.

[oasis]

113. Sadly, Obama's too full of his own Kool-Aid to drop out. (n/t)

[Skittles]

114. it's what happens when the coporated media picks our front-runners

look at the choices we have

[Hippo_Tron]

115. Not really, this was pretty much inevitable

Any black candidate was going to be associated with less than admirable black figures and the media will presume them guilty by association until proven innocent because that is what the media does to black candidates.

You may be right that Obama will lose in November. If he does get the nomination we're going to find out if there are enough white people that actually fear figures like Wright and then fear Obama by association. Wright and many figures like him may be ignorant but they are hardly scary. If there is any black person that can convince white people of this, it is Barack Obama.

I should add that it's a good thing this is coming out in March and not October. Plenty of time for Obama to deal with it.

[Perry Logan]

116. At least it has caused the Obamites to shut up a bit, vastly reducing the amount of slime at DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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Reporting threats against Hillary:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... 

[workinclasszero]

118. Thanks for spelling out Hillary's plan

"Even if he manages to eek out a victory this primary season, which is unlikely, because he will be seen as damaged goods and someone who will have no chance of winning the GE; he will be crushed in the GE maybe winning IL."