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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:56 PM
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Another question about the great Obama judgment.
A few here have been putting forth the case that Hillary knew of a bombshell that would break against Obama and should have warned him.

If there were a bombshell (well, now we see there are a few), why would Hillary need to warn him? Is he not aware of his own potential bombshells?

Not to mention, if he had even a tiny bit of foresight, he would have been more magnanimous toward the Clintons, stopped the race baiting immediately, spoke up at any opportunity, JUST FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT she might have been of some assistance in the future (like now for instance), called upon to come to his defense, as he had hers.

How clueless is the guy?

1) He is not aware of potential disasters from his previous dealings with suspect characters. He needs to be told, by his rival no less. :WTF:

2) Knowing he might need a helping hand due to his previous bad judgment, he alienates someone who might have helped him.

Oh yeah, this guy is presidential material. :eyes:
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:09 PM
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1. The difference:
He handled the "problems" with his supporters like a president. She handled her foibles by A) not answering questions about them, or B)handling them like a president named Clinton.

In terms of trust, the difference, to me, could not be clearer. So yes, he IS, indeed, "presidential material." :D

B-)
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:37 PM
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2. IMO BO has handled each revelation like a cat scratching soil to cover up their feces. n/t
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:51 PM
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3. UM. Yes
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:34 AM
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24. Funniest post of the year award.
NO LIE!!!!!!

LOL
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:56 PM
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5. Yeah, he lied..........n/t
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:10 AM
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14. He handled them like a kid, who was caught with ...

his hand in the cookie jar ... startled denial, and feigned innocence.


His responses to these issues are disingenuous, at best! "My instinct was to believe him"??


MY instinct is to worry about HIS instincts.



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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:30 AM
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17. Funny how when it comes to things he actually has to do something
about he has terrible judgment. His only good judgment was on a bill he didn't actually have to vote yea or nay on so it was purely hypothetical.



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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:36 AM
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25.  It's a consistent series of poor judgements and poor choices.
I need him as President?

Go Hillary!
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:55 PM
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4. He is aware of the potential troublesome issues. Whomever thinks that he isn't doesn't know the fact
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 11:56 PM by Drachasor
I haven't heard anyone say Hillary should have warned him of anything. To me this post seems like you are making up bad judgment now, based on what one or two people on here apparently said.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:18 AM
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22. I've been searching for the thread for 20 minutes.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 01:21 AM by anamandujano
It was a thread in which Obama supporters were suggesting Hillary needed to support him and help him out of this mess. Somebody said she knew about the bombshell and should have at least warned him. The whole point of the thread was that Hillary has known all this stuff and was waiting for the moment to spring it on him.

It was one or two people so that means I didn't make it up.

Since I can't find the posts, let's just skip that and ask how he may have convinced himself that these issues would not put his candidacy in peril eventually. If they blew up after he took the nom, it would place the presidency in peril, and logically the country and the world.

If he wanted to make a run at the presidency, he should have held his horses until the country got to know him better, until he had been seriously vetted. Having said that, a good guess says that taking into consideration his dealings with Rezko and Wright, he is lucky to be a US Senator.

edit for typos
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:56 PM
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6. The trifecta
Wright, Rezko and Ayers.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:58 PM
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7. Wright he know, Rezko he knew, Ayers is make-believe issue
And he has address both Wright and Rezko completely now. Guess what? There is NOTHING there. There's no substance to these attacks on Obama.

Can you actually bring up anything of substance? Because there are a lot more substanceless attacks available against the Clintons.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:06 AM
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13. There is NO substance to HRC's attacks - just repetition. See Goebbels, J.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:27 AM
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23. Except that she is not attacking him. His bombshells have been
unearthed by the Repukes. You all are trying to pin that on Hillary.

Make no mistake about it, these issues are bombshells. They blew Ferraro and Spitzer off the front page and they may even sideline Paris and Britney for awhile.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:27 AM
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15. LOL....
keep on dreaming.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:52 AM
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18. "LOL" does not give your argument any substance
Got anything that does?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:38 AM
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26. If there's nothing there, why so many thousands of posts here? n/t
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:33 AM
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29. Because that's all the people that don't want Obama to win have to attack him
Lacking substantive attacks, people will use ones without substance
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:56 PM
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30.  Obama's open admission of his lack of judment is a substantive issue
Presidents need good judgment or we have disasters as we have now with Bush.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:00 AM
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8. don't forget about Auchi and Farrakhan
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:27 AM
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16. Who is Auchi? n/t
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:01 AM
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9. The ultimate trump card.
It's called "Pledged Delegate Victory."

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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:02 AM
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10. Obama questions his own judgment enough to inform us that he isn't Presidential material
There has never been such an unworthy candidate on the Dem side who might be a contender...trying to run after a year in the U.S. Senate because he was bored with the "glacial pace" doesn't make sense either. He says he'll hire the expertise, but even then, there is going to be lots of work to do. I guess it feeds his ego. That seems to be the only point of this campaign.

Trashing the Clintons will backfire big time should he be the nominee.


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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:05 AM
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12. And Clinton's trashing of Obama won't backfire on the Dems? I think his cmpgn has been more positive
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:04 AM
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11. very weak post
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:58 AM
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19. The "bombshell" thing was a pure RW plant
I wish I saved the thread...but a case of the repugs planting a story for the Obama camp to find, with Hillary's sig on it. And then, to make a long story short, all hell breaks loose and both camps look like idiots. Typical stuff and it will continue, but lets not make it all worse here.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:00 AM
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20. But... He still had the Iraq war right... Right? How'd Hillary do on that one?
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:03 AM
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21. This isn't about how Hillary has bad judgment; someone just wants to point out Obama isn't perfect
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:39 AM
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27. Don't you remember him saying his position was similar to Bush?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:40 AM
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28. well fine, onto the ignore list for you
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