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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:23 PM
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Hillary Clinton on the Electoral College - 2001.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/10/politics/main...

(AP) Senator-elect Hillary Rodham Clinton began a victory tour of upstate New York Friday by calling for elimination of the Electoral College.

"We are a very different country than we were 200 years ago," Clinton said. "I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it's time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our president."

The first lady also said that because of the closeness of this year's presidential election, "I hope no one is ever in doubt again about whether their vote counts."

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*coughs*
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:26 PM
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1. I doubt the results of this primary season yields a clear picture of the will of the people.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:31 PM
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5. so, you are against popular votes as showing the will of the people?
or are you against delegates showing the will of the people? Perhaps both?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:33 PM
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7. Nice try. First tell me what IS the popular vote? The answer depends on if you include FL and MI.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:36 PM
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9. They'll revote or they won't count
You just don't like that Hil is losing and will ultimately return to the Senate.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:39 PM
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11. Says who? Are you the will of the people or just another internet Locke
who can't tell the difference between an opinion and a fact?
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:05 AM
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14. He's winning the popular vote!
Why, why, why is that so hard to grasp?? What exactly is the problem here?
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:07 AM
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16. Even if you include them, Obama wins
And Michigan is not a fair election in any sense, since Obama wasn't on the ticket. The current Michigan results clearly do not fairly represent the Will of the people there.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:28 PM
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2. Are you trying to be snarky? You're failing.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 11:29 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
What she says there is quire consistent with her campaigns current talking points: people vs. states, primaries vs. caucuses and popular vote totals vs. delegate allotment formulas.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:30 PM
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3. but the superdelegates should vote their conscience
right?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:31 PM
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6. She expects to get the popular vote.
That's the only way she can win.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:38 PM
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10. no it isn't -- and she knows it.
There's a difference between saying the superdelegates should follow the will of the people, and saying they should vote their conscience.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:33 PM
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8. Her plan is to encourage supers to follow popular vote totals rather than delegate counts
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 11:34 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
One can say it's ad hoc bullshit invoking the meaningless concept of a primary season popular vote total (which really is silly), but it's consistent with the quote you posted.

(If she doesn't get some kind of popular vote margin then she'll change her tune to something else and you can report this more effectively.)

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:30 PM
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4. Yep, she's been quite consistant on this issue.
Unlike Obama.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:08 AM
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18. Unless she's losing the popular vote and the delegate count...
Then it's arm twisting time. Elections are too important to leave up to the voters.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:42 PM
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12. Popular vote would be valid if either:
all states held caucuses

OR

all states held primaries.

The pledged delegate count more accurately (but, of course, not perfectly) represents the proportional will of the people.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:44 PM
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13. Maybe when she returns to the Senate next year she can introduce a bill or something
If she feels so strongly about it
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:06 AM
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15. or maybe Obama can return to the Senate next year and introduce a bill like that for Clinton
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 02:06 AM by AGirl
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:08 AM
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17. oh and your name seems fitting.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:09 AM
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19. Well, Hillary is a different woman that she was 200 DAYS ago.
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