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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:01 PM
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Which of the three candidates remaing has the most Irish heritage?
In honor of St.Paddy's day coming up I was curious. Not sure how to look it up on google.
I am a quarter Irish.
My impression is that Obama may be the most Irish through his mother but I am not sure where to look.
God, I hope this doesn't start a flame war.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:02 PM
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1. Isn't McCain an Irish name?
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:05 PM
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7. I thought Mcs and Macs were mostly Scottish? nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:07 PM
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10. Scots-Irish
:thumbsup:
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:22 PM
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17. Mc usually denotes Scottish but not always.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:03 PM
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2. McCain (Mc = Irish, Mac = Scottish)
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:03 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
The ethnic name/slur "mick" for Irish people is as separate from "Mac"

"Mac" names are Scottish. "Mc" names tend to be Irish.

So it's probably McCain.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:06 PM
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8. I always thought Mc or Mac was Scottish and the O' was Irish
Like O'Reilly or O'donnel (no I know Obama isn't)
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:08 PM
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12. O is Irish, and there are probably some Mc's in Scotland, but most Mc's are Irish
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:09 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
I am not joking in saying that's where "mick" comes from.

(It's pronounced Mick-Cain rather than Mack-Cain)
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:03 PM
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3. Um, my guess would be John McCain.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:03 PM
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4. Finally a thread with real substance!
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:04 PM
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6. Thank you
Just as hard-hittin' as the media.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:03 PM
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5. I think I heard that Hillary was part Welsh and Scot, which is askin
to being Irish, but, I really don't know. Interesting question, though.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:07 PM
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9. Kinda like being German is akin to being French
But it would take me a long time to explain all the differences between Irish, Welsh and Scots.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:07 PM
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11. I reckon that if you told an Irishman that he was akin to being a Welsh or a Scot
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:07 PM by Cant trust em
they wouldn't be too happy. My one Irish friend is where I get all of my Irish culture. She won't hesitate to correct me if I say something culturally inaccurate.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:15 PM
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Irish, Scots and Welsh are all Celts
and Scots' Gaelic is very close to Irish Gaelic (I don't think Welsh is close to anything). I'm half Irish and I've never run across anyone, whether they are Irish born in America or Ireland who mind being compared to Scots or Welsh - now compare us to an Englishman and that's a different story entirely.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:43 PM
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19. You wouldn't say that if you'd been to Scotland (shudder)
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:44 PM by anigbrowl
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:09 PM
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13. O'Bama all the way!
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:12 PM
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14. hmmm, seeing what Google brings - here's one piece of info on Obama
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 10:17 PM by JoeIsOneOfUs
http://2008obama.blogspot.com/2007/03/barack-obama-has-...

edit to add - "Barack Obama's maternal great great great Grandfather arrived on a ship to America from Liverpool, England. And, yes, his birthplace was listed as Ireland."

Would be tricky for us to try to calculate the fraction of each group without a full family tree, but hey, let's see what comes up.

edit - more
http://irishamericansforobama.com/obama_irish_roots.htm...
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:15 PM
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15. O'bama ~
:bounce:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:15 PM
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16. Hillary Traces Roots to Durham....from London Times
Hillary traces roots to Durham
Americans mine links with the old country
THERE must be something in the water. The family of Hillary Rodham Clinton, the American presidential hopeful, hails from the same part of northeast England as George Washington, the first president of the United States.

Clinton, wife of Bill Clinton, the former president, traces her ancestry to a mining family in Co Durham. Washington was the descendant of a family who lived in a village, now a town, of the same name 10 miles away on land once owned by the Bishop of Durham.

The lineage of the former first lady, who may one day be an incumbent of the White House in her own right, has been mapped by a computerised genealogy system that will help to track the roots of millions of Americans.
British tourism chiefs are relishing the live launch of the system next month. It is expected to bring a fillip to the ancestry industry in which Americans come to the British Isles in search of their roots.

Researchers working for Ancestry.com have traced Clintons descendants using the massive genealogies gathered in Utah during the past century by the Church of Latter-Day Saints.
The company has also collated 13m US census records dated between 1790 and the 1930s, the most recent records in the public domain.

The connection between Clinton and the miners of Durham is one of several thrown up by the new subscription search engine, which can be used by Americans to track British ancestors and by Britons to locate distant cousins in the United States.

Clinton is descended from a family of coalminers in Co Durham. Jonathan Rodham, her great-grandfather, hailed from Oxhill, near Stanley. He emigrated to America and made his way to the coalfields of Scranton, Pennsylvania, in 1881 in search of work. He later became a policeman and then a florist.

The surname Rodham, which also occurs as Roddam, originates in Northumberland and is common in the region. A Celtic strain to the bloodline was added later.

In her autobiography Clinton writes that her father, who was born in Scranton, got his looks from a line of black-haired Welsh coalminers on his mothers side.

John Roddam, 87, of Sacriston, Durham, said: We have always wondered what the connection was.

My father was a parish clerk for 35 years and I was a trade union official, so there is a bit of a history of governing and campaigning in the British branch of the family, too.

The search engine has revealed the roots of many famous Americans in the British Isles.

According to the 1880 American census, the great-great-grandfather of George Clooney, the actor, emigrated from Ireland and became a jeweller.

His son Andrew became mayor of Maysville, Kentucky, and campaigned with the help of Georges singing aunts Rosemary and Betty who were radio stars.

Teri Hatcher, the star of televisions Desperate Housewives, also has Irish ancestry.

Mary Kolar, her great- grandmother, was three years old when she emigrated from Ireland with her family in about 1864, according to the 1900 US census.

Julianne Moore, the Oscar-nominated actress, was born in Boston but her maternal line hails from Dunoon in Argyll.

Tom Cruise whose real name is Thomas Cruise Mapother IV was born in Syracuse, New York, but genealogists have linked him to Dylan Henry Mapother, a Welshman who emigrated to Kentucky in 1850.

Search inquiries have also thrown up some intriguing links. President George W. Bush is connected by one blood line to Wild Bill Hickock, the western gunfighter.

Tom Hanks, the actor, is distantly related to Abraham Lincoln but his grandfather, according to the 1930 census, was a squirrel inspector or rodent controller.

The computerised records also help to show that arguably the two most eligible bachelors on either side of the Atlantic are descended from the same blood line.

Prince William, 24, second in line to the throne, and Andrew Firestone, 30, scion of an American family tyre and wine fortune and who is also a star of reality TV, can both trace their roots back to a 17th-century Suffolk teenager.

Thomas Parke, from the village of Hitcham, was 15 when he sailed with his family for the New World aboard the Arabella in 1630.

His father, who was a man of means, was looking for more religious liberty.

They settled in Connecticut where Thomas married Dorothy Thompson, herself an immigrant from Preston Capes in Northamptonshire.

Thomas helped to found the First Church of Christ and lived to the age of 93.

Researchers have discovered that both William and Prince Harry, his brother, are descended through their grandmother, the late Frances Shand Kydd, to Parke and his wife.

Firestone, who handed out long-stemmed roses to a bevy of beauties on the television series The Bachelor before proposing on air to the winner (they later split up) is directly descended from Parke.

His great-grandmother Elizabeth Parke married Harvey Firestone, founder of one of Americas biggest tyre companies, in 1921. Andrew Firestones own mother, Catherine Boulton, was a dancer with the Royal Ballet in London.

Tony Robinson, the actor and presenter of Channel 4s Time Team, who also acts as a spokesman for Ancestry.co.uk, the British branch of Ancestry.com, said: The new technology available produces almost infinite possibilities.

Soon the ability to trace back our ancestors will alter the way we think about history and lead us to rethink our place in the world.

People on both sides of the Atlantic are already working on those possibilities.

Donna Schumacher from Stonington, Connecticut, another descendant of Thomas Parke, said: For years off and on, my father had made mention of one of our ancestors signing the Magna Carta. Another story was that another ancestor had to hide his wife and baby in the trunk of a tree while he attempted to fight off Indians.

Both of those stories intrigued me so much that there was no other way to find out about them only to dive into genealogy.

Alison Fraser is marketing manager of Begin Your Adventure, a British tourism website set up to exploit the 400th anniversary of the first British settlers landing in Jamestown, Virginia, in 1607. Last month she sailed up the eastern seaboard in Godspeed, a replica of one of the colonists vessels.

The genealogy hook is really strong in the US and 50% of Americans can trace their ancestry back to the British Isles, she said. It is very fertile ground for tourism.

Additional reporting: Anna Mikhailova

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article679114....
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:36 PM
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18. The Official, Don't question me because I'm Irish you bastards answer
Yes, I really am that Irish, to the point of being born in Tipperary. Bejasus. Anyway, I couldn't find a suitable green smiley (the bouncing one is a little disturbing), but since st Patrick's day typically involves a lot of drinking, I'm using the guinness smiley instead to rate the candidates. Bejasus.

Anyway, here's the facts:

John McCain is pretty Irish. His people come from Ulster, back around the early 1700s. (Ulster is the part of Ireland that's nowadays called Northern Ireland). Like a lot of people in Ulster, particularly protestants, he has a scottish background and originally hails from Argyll, in Scotland. So you could say he is Scots-Irish. But if you were going to be particular about it, more Scots than Irish, not least because of the political status and demographics of Northern Ireland.
http://uhblog.ulsterheritage.com/2008/01/senator-john-m...

Rating: 3 pints :beer: :beer: :beer:


McCain: ya wee Scottish bastard


Hillary Clinton is not Irish at all. I can't find a damn thing about her having an Irish heritage. Oh dear. But she did some sterling work on behalf of community relations in Northern Ireland. and Bill's Irish, and she had sense enough to marry him. Which makes her practically Irish herself. And since everyone gets to be Irish for a day on St Patrick's day, we'll give her an honorary extra pint to make up for this sad situation!

Rating: 2 pints :beer: :beer:


Clinton: Not actually Irish, but never mind


Barack Obama is pretty Irish as well. His great-great-great-grandfather, Falmuth Kearney, apparently immigrated to New York in 1850, and eventually settled in Ohio. But he hails from Moneygall in county Offaly, which is smack in the middle of Ireland and is Very Irish Indeed. Mighty! But of course, Obama is half-Kenyan, which means he can only be half-Irish. But sure isn't he like a pint of Guinness himself - isn't Guinness Black with a bit of white floating on top? And isn't he a fine figure of a man (as my grandmother used to say), a welcome sight - like a glass of Guinness? And wasn't his ancestor born in the county next to the county of my birth? Good enough for me! Bejasus!
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSL026538...

Rating: 4 pints :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:



Barack Obama (above): note uncanny similarity to pint of Guinness (below)


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:07 PM
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23. Love it.......
And I might even drink a beer after this! :rofl:
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:47 PM
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20. Here's some truth, and it's no blarney:


Two of the presidential candidates claim a wee bit o the Irish:

Although McCain has the most Irish name, youd have to go back to 1719 to find McCains Irish ancestor:
http://uhblog.ulsterheritage.com/2008/01/senator-john-m...

Surprise! Obama appears to have the most Irish heritage of any candidate, though you still have to go back quite a ways to find his tie to the old sod:

To coincide with St Patrick's Day this Saturday, it has been revealed that Barack Obama's maternal great great great Grandfather arrived on a ship to America from Liverpool, England.
And, yes, his birthplace was listed as Ireland.

http://2008obama.blogspot.com/2007/03/barack-obama-has-...

More here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_amer...


Hillary has no Irish ancestry that I could find:

Her father, Hugh Ellsworth Rodham, was a son of Welsh and English immigrants<6> and operated a small but successful business in the textile industry.<7> Her mother, Dorothy Emma Howell, of English, Scottish, French Canadian, and Welsh descent,<8> was a homemaker.<5[br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

She and Bill Clinton have, however, been honored for contributions to the Irish community: http://www.irishabroad.com/news/irish-voice/entertainme...

On the other hand, Nobel Prize winner calls Hillarys Irish peace claim silly:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:57 PM
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21. thanks, good stuff!
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:03 PM
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22. so this would make Obama / Biden a heavy Irish ticket!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:27 PM
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24. Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day.
:thumbsup:
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