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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:53 PM
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READ IT HERE FIRST! Obama Was Raised By His WHITE Mother!
We know that his mother is White. We know that his father is Kenyan. We know that he was born in Kansas and also lived in Indonesia, Hawaii and Chicago among other places. However, aside from simply mentioning that his mother was White we only get the African American parts of his heritage and upbringing.

Why?

It's because the media wants to frame Obama as simply African American. Well, Fox calls Obama a "Halfrican". It's derogatory and I'd expect nothing less than that from Fox News. I do however expect more from the people on this website. Obama has not made a stink about this.

He's accepted how the media wants to frame him, given that there is not much he can do about it. As he's said in addressing the Rezko matter, he was trying to control the message of his candidacy but all things can not be controlled. How people view him can not so easily be changed.

Let's remember though that his White mother and grandmother actually raised him. They were an integral part of his life. Some of you seem to be suggesting that "Obama hates his Mama?," that he hates the white part of his family; which couldn't be further from the truth. He speaks admirably of his mother, about how he was raised.

Some of you are not thinking logically in ingesting what has transpired over the last week. You have only seen the half of his life story that the media has framed out for you. There is much more to it, and as American citizens it is our job to find out the rest.

Obama has two books out there... written in his own words. I suggest you read them if you REALLY want to know him. He does have many pieces of America in him and he's never disavowed anyone of those pieces. Let's try to understand that he holds what one might call a world view of things. He's proud of all pieces of his collective puzzle.

I encourage people to get a grip and stop being guided by the media. Remember, there is a war that has been waged that the media was totally complicit in. How responsible do you think they are? They couldn't ask all the requisite questions then; what makes you think they are going to give you the full story now?
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:56 PM
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1. AHA - so he's a poser
he's not really even black!

And if he is, he's not black enough!
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:44 AM
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Snark all you want and avoid the bigger issue. That IS what you do best.
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bilgewaterbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:57 PM
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2. The camera frames him as African american.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:43 AM
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26. You are missing the point.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:43 AM by demdog78
Intentionally I would assume.

What I said is the media only tells you what they want to so they can manipulate your opinion.

This shouldn't be news.

It isn't any more acceptable now than it was in the run up to the Iraq war.

Why are you complacent with being not being told the whole truth? Is it because you are hearing what you really want to hear? I would hope that would not be the case, not if you REALLY consider yourself a democrat.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:58 PM
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3. No, that how Obama defines himself.
He's always talking about how this is such an historic election because he's the first truly viable African American who has a shot at becoming president, as well as Hillary being the first woman in the same position. Of course when Bill Clinton said the same thing the Obama camp accused him of playing the race card. It was a cheap and despicable tactic unbecoming of a man who wants to be president.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:33 PM
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7. The facts... show me the first instance of him framing his candidacy
Obama wanted this campaign to be about people and a movement for change. He stayed clear of race until the media put it's spin on it, until the Clintons framed it this way.

Obama didn't inject race into the campaign in a way that implied he was irrelevant. He didn't frame his candiadacy as "the biggest sham". He didn't frame his candidacy as if he was a muslim. Obama didn't frame his candidacy as if "only" blacks are voting for him.

Obama didn't say that he was the African American who was running for the highest office in the land. The media framed it that way first and foremost.

Obama courted every vote, white, black, Latino, Asian, Native American, red state, blue state et al. As a matter of fact, Obama stayed clear of race in the early going.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:02 PM
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4. You're making shit up to pretend to be outraged about.
I encourage you to get a grip.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:39 PM
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9. His father is Kenyan... his mother is White. What did I make up?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:49 PM
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11. This is the shit you're making up to pretend to be outraged over:
'Some of you seem to be suggesting that "Obama hates his Mama?," that he hates the white part of his family'

That is Shit. Capital S shit.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:10 AM
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15. So... What am I outraged about?
If people are going to blame him for Wrights statements, and say that he stands for the same things Wright says... Then you are saying that he hates his mother? Right?

What I am saying is that it is all a bunch of bullshit. It's sad. It's sad that people are falling for this. I thought we all understood that you can't believe half of the stuff the media tells us. Right? Didn't we all come to that conclusion?

And yet here we are again, getting played by mainstream media.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:03 PM
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5. Wait - I thought he was a Black separatist.."??

:silly:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:25 PM
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6. I kind of like that Obama presents himself as a Christian - given his atheist mother raised him.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:58 PM
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14. Did you know it's possible for a 46-year-old man to NOT have the same religious affiliation as mom?
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MaryCeleste Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:11 AM
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17. He went to a Christian School in Hawaii
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:35 AM
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25. And... I was raised roman catholic. However...
As an adult I chose to be nondenominational. As an adult, you do get to make those decisions for yourself.

~no sarcasm intended
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MaryCeleste Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:44 AM
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27. My intention was to point out diverse religeous influences in his life
John Heidel was the school chaplain then, and a very special person as well.

We all get to choose out own religious views and change them as we see fit...I have no issue with any of this.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:45 AM
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28. I think I replied to the wrong post.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:47 AM by demdog78
I was trying to respond to the same comment you were.

Sorry about the confusion... Just glad to actually discuss this with people who actually give it some thought... rather than just snark empty rhetoric or rude comments.

Thank you for your thoughtful perspective.
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tigervalentine Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:15 AM
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20. And I present myself as non-Christian,
but don't tell my Christian mother who raised me to be one.
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LuvMyPorsche Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:35 PM
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8. all the more
reason to be suspicious of him.

Knowing that his dear and loving mother was WHITE, he listened and probably sneered and applauded the crap that Wright was dishing.

How could someone do that to someone he loves? So he throws his mum under the racist preacher bus? That's MY kind of potus.

Go HILLARY!

Hillary needs to go for his jugular, it's time to rip him to shreds. She needs to be more aggressive.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:46 PM
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10. LoL... I don't think you will be able to figure out what I'm laughing at
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:53 PM
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12. Is this like a sarcastic post?
Cause my mother is White, and I call myself Black, and am married to a minister and attend a Black church. :shrug:
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:55 PM
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13. some of these people are vile. I don't get it either
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:11 AM
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19. you should make this an OP
:thumbsup:
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tigervalentine Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:17 AM
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21. Overdosing on testosterone
are you?
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gort Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:49 AM
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30. Hello "Bob Woodard!"
Didn't know you were still writing that inner monologue-crap pretending to know what goes on in the minds of persons you know absolutely nothing about.



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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:07 PM
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33. exhibit A: classic straw man argument.
Make an assumption based on no evidence, and then attack the person for it!

The Hillary camp isn't attacking on this issue, so why are her supporters?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:11 PM
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36. We should be more suspicious of him because his mother is white?
What the hell?

And do you have any evidence at all that Obama sneered and applauded anything at all that was racist against whites? No? Then you are just pulling crap out of your ass....and since this crap out of your ass is what you are basing your "trust" comment, we can all see that you not only do not know what you are talking about, but you are just here serving the interests of Hillary while engaging in gutter politics.

Like so many low-post count assholes who for some reasons saw nothing in our political landscape to spur participation on this site until this primary.

And if Hillary goes after Obama any more than she is now, then she will have to hire Jeff Galuli to hit him in the kneecaps with a baseball bat.

My suggestion to you is to read more and love your Porsche less....and the ass is not where one finds viable arguments.
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ksquire Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:45 PM
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43. you've become my new 2nd favorite poster.
when this all calms down, i encourage you to go back and look at some of your points. You've got some of Hillary's Kool Aid staining your shirt.

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MaryCeleste Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:10 AM
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16. What about his white family members?
I know both his mother and father are dead. Saw some puff pieces about his Kenyan relations. Any one left on his mother's side? Grandparents or step sibling? More curiosity on my part than anything else
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:18 AM
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23. His half sister.....who is married to a Chinese Canadian......


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tigervalentine Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:18 AM
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24. I believe his maternal grandmother
is still alive, although in poor health, in Hawaii.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:11 AM
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18. I thought he went to his maternal grandparents ... and the families
opposed the marriage.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:17 AM
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22. no and no......
There's a lot written on this, though. You should really read about it.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:38 PM
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40. they would rather spread rumors..
the more vile the better. Media Matters has the newsmax article from 2007 with all the talking points. I thinks it's another rinse and repeat job.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703290011
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:48 AM
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29. Where did you hear that the families opposed the marriage? n/t
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:56 AM
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31. Obama's father was already married with a family when he met Obama's mother...
...a U.K. paper claims that Obama blamed the end of the marriage between his parents on racism, but that there is more to the story, which seems to often be the case with Obama whom we know so slightly:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/new...


At 18, he (Barack's father) married a girl called Kezia. But Obama Snr was more interested in politics and economics than his family and his political leanings had been brought to the notice of leaders of the Kenyan Independence movement.

He was put forward for an American-sponsored scholarship in economics, with the idea being that he would eventually use his Western-honed skills in the new Kenya. At the age of 23 he headed for university in Hawaii, leaving behind the pregnant Kezia and their baby son.

Relatives say he was already a slick womaniser and, once in Honolulu, he promptly persuaded a fellow student called Ann - a naive 18-year-old white girl - to marry him. Barack Jnr was born in August, 1961.

Two years later, Obama Snr was on the move again. He was accepted at Harvard, and left his little boy and wife behind when he moved to the exclusive east coast university.

At the time, Ann explained to their son that his father had gone because his meagre stipend would not support the family if they lived together. But finance was the least of her worries.

Mr Obama Jnr claims that racism on both sides of the family destroyed the marriage between his mother and father.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:09 PM
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34. " I hear there's a lot of rumors on the Internets." n/t
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:03 PM
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32. BO's white grandparents moved to hawaii to be near

their daughter and grandson, so they were there when his father abandoned his wife and 2 year-old son to go to harvard. they helped raise barack obama, jr.


BO's living white grandmother is never mentioned and i read that the obama campaign 'will not make her available.'

why is that? they've shown us a lot of photos and film of the kenyan step-grandmother whom BO didn't meet until he was an adult.


what about unity and transcending race? aren't those themes of the BO campaign? does 'transcending race' mean being ashamed of having family of different races? how will that ever lead to unity?


i've had famiy of different races since 1960, never hidden them or been ashamed of them. some of my white relatives, on the other hand. . . i avoided one uncle for many years because he treated his brother unfairly.

'hate nothing at all except hatred' -- dylan

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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:11 PM
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35. no, no no.
The family moved to Hawaii before their daughter ever met Barack Obama, Sr. It was a job transfer for him. Then Ann went to college at the U. of Hawaii, where she met Obama for the first time. It's in Obama's memoir, "Dreams from my Father".
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:35 PM
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39. It's a new tactic...
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 02:40 PM by stillcool47
another rinse and repeat job being pushed by the bigots on the Right wing of the Democratic Party.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703290011
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:19 PM
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37. bzzzt.
wrong on virtually everything. Obama frequently speaks with great affection of his mother and grandmother and there are some beautiful pictures of him with his grandmother and his grandfather. His grandmother is not in good health. Do you think she should be dragged out to please little pissants? Oh, and thanks for spreading fallacious crap.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:34 PM
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38. Newsmax again?
Media Matters has the article with all of your talking points posted on their site...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703290011
In a March 28 column for NewsMax.com titled "Free Obama's White Grandmother," "Internet journalist" Andy Martin wrote that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), whom he called "one of the most racist politicians in America today," has "locked the grandmother who actually raised him away in a closet," adding: "he 'segregation' of Madelyn Dunham, Obama's white grandmother, and only real grandmother, has to be one of the cruelest and most mendacious political kidnappings this nation has ever seen." Martin wrote that Dunham "is the 'Prisoner of Obama,' and of Obama's racist myth that he is 'Black' and not 'Black and White.' "

Martin offered no evidence for any of his allegations, other than quoting from a March 27 Chicago Tribune article, which reported that "the Obama campaign declined to make Madelyn Dunham, 84, available" for an interview and referring to a New York Times article in which, according to Martin, "Dunham told the New York Times she was not well enough to speak." That Times article, published on March 17, reported that "Obama still visits his maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who lives in the same high-rise apartment where Mr. Obama spent much of his childhood. 'I'm not well,' she said on the telephone, explaining her refusal to meet for an interview."

Apparently based on these two reports, Martin arrived at the conclusion that Obama, whom he called a "media witch doctor," has "locked his granny away and refused to allow her to be seen" in order to "pretend he has no white relatives." Martin concluded that "locking Madelyn away is going to hurt Obama more with African-Americans than with whites," because "hites delight in drinking Obama's Kool-Aid." He went on to explain that "blacks," however, "are a lot smarter than whites when it comes to slights, because they have experienced racial slights all their lives," and because "uring the decade when crack devastated the African-American community it was the 'Black Grannies' who were and are the backbone of the community."


As Media Matters for America noted, Martin was author Catherine Moy's purported source for claiming that Obama "flat-out lied" about his upbringing, and that the school Obama attended as a child in Indonesia was "not a madrassa, but that they did teach the Quran, and they did teach that Jews are pigs. So that it -- you know, those kind of things that the Quran teaches, all of those things in the Quran that offend so many, he was taught." The claim that Obama attended a madrassa as a child -- originating in InsightMag.com -- has been thoroughly debunked. Before Obama's February 10 announcement that he would run for president, Martin wrote: "During Obama Week leading up to February 10th, we will release our CIA-style psychological profile on him; that analysis will cast more light on Barack's supple psyche and his ability to seamlessly deny objective reality."

Media Matters also noted that, according to a February 10, 2006 Chicago Tribune article, Martin "referred to a federal bankruptcy judge as a 'crooked, slimy Jew, who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race,'" and expressed "understand for how the Holocaust took place." Several news articles have reported that Martin's Selective Service file described him as having a "moderately-severe character defect manifested by well documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character."

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:39 PM
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41. The Clintonites do love them some Newsmax.
:thumbsdown:
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ksquire Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:46 PM
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44. seriously? you'd put your 80 year old grandmother on tv?
if she's like mine, it's not a good idea. I was told never to hang out with Negroes or Green Irish. Now, we know that she's more enlightened than that from his books, but really -- what could be gained by this? She's probably more than 1/2 senile by now.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:42 PM
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42. Please check this out...
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:52 PM
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45. He joined and went to a very afrocentric church for 20 years,
so, I would assume he identifies with that side of his heritage more.
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